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Francis, once again, clarifies there's no following Jesus without fidelity to the Magisterium, Peter


From VIS:


“The men and women of the Church who are careerists and social climbers, who 'use' people, the Church, their brothers and sisters—whom they should be serving—as a springboard for their own personal interests and ambitions … are doing great harm to the Church.” This is what Pope Francis asserted in his address to the participants in the plenary assembly of the International Union of Superiors General (UISG) whom he received in audience this morning. ...


“Your vocation is a fundamental charism for the Church's journey and it isn't possible that a consecrated woman or man might 'feel' themselves not to be with the Church. A 'feeling' with the Church that has generated us in Baptism; a 'feeling' with the Church that finds its filial expression in fidelity to the Magisterium, in communion with the Bishops and the Successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome, a visible sign of that unity,” the pontiff added, citing Paul VI: “It is an absurd dichotomy to think of living with Jesus but without the Church, of following Jesus outside of the Church, of loving Jesus without loving the Church. Feel the responsibility that you have of caring for the formation of your Institutes in sound Church doctrine, in love of the Church, and in an ecclesial spirit.”

25 comments:

Richard Cipolla said...

This is a wonderfully strong statement by Papa Francisco. He avoids merely talking about "obedience" and instead grounds everything on a sense of ecclesial identity. While there is much more to say, this is a very good beginning indeed.

Matthew said...

Actions. Where are the actions? Talk is cheap. What if these Superiors General do not "feel the responsibility they have of caring for the formation of (their) Institutes in sound Church doctrine?"

Edward said...

Pope Francis's speeches so far have been absolutely excellent!! This is just another great one!

Thoughts At My Back Door said...

I think the actions have already been going on. Why should we be privvy to the reform of the curia? Is that something we really want in the mainstream limelight?

The appointments will come on May 14th, I think. Then we will see. May 14th, after the consecration to Our Lady of Fatima, and on the feast of St. Matthias, who was appointed to replace Judas.

P.J.David said...

All of us thank Our Holy Father for meeting with the Superior Generals of Religious orders ;at the right time and addressed right people where exactly the change has to begin for the good of the Church.Each of them must obey implicitly our Holy Father and the formations and reformation of each of the members of their religious orders, irrespective of their age or positions,is absolutely essential.
Let us all pray that the Holy Ghost lead each Suprior General to cooperate with the Holy Father's directions to them that the church becomes powerful again in the modern world.

849afb08-b7fa-11e2-b61e-000bcdcb471e said...

I do not believed he meant for the noncatholic (hertics)its for the SPPX

gtaylor said...

The Holy Father is finding his feet ( maybe he will find his -red- martyrs shoes next).
What clear teaching!
God bless the Pope!

Cosmos said...

He continues to surprise with his clarity!

Bwangi Kilonzo said...

You are Peter and upon this rock, I will build my Church.

Crouchback said...

849a......

Well did he or didn't he..?? The Carthusians are famously un reformed because never deformed......

All the rest of the orders have been "renewed" in the spirit of Vatican II....at the urging of the Holy Spirit....or so the story goes.

The SSPX was founded after the council, so the Holy Spirit probably overlooked them in the renewal stakes, they are still only forty three years old.....hardly old enough to be deformed....

The Jesuits on the other hand.....how are they doing since being given a thorough 60's botoxing.....!!!

RipK said...

He keeps avoiding the word "Pope". Not part of his vocabulary. Either it is "Peter" other times it is the "Bishop of Rome". This Holy ....Brother Francis obviously does not feel comfortable with it. Houston! Do we have a problem?

im-blogger said...

"(...) in communion with the Bishops and the Successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome, a visible sign of that unity (...)"

Maybe sometimes the unity isn't visible, yet very much existent?

Adfero said...

The only guidance I'd give here is that we can either choose to focus on the positive that we can see or the negative that we can speculate about.

The positive is that he is more and more talking about the Church, with a capital C, as the one, true, holy and apostolic Church, of which outside of there is no salvation.

Speculating, we can say he's talking about the SSPX. But if he's continuing with Ratzinger's position, which he hasn't reversed, then that's impossible -- we were already told the SSPX is inside the Church in an irregular position.

So let's stick to what is most plausible -- he's talking about protestants and others outside the Church.

Charity, and logic, demands this.

Anil Wang said...

RipK said...'He keeps avoiding the word "Pope"....Houston! Do we have a problem?'

If he acts and speaks like a Pope but doesn't call himself Pope, do we have a problem? (Matthew 21:29-31)

It's still too early to tell. Some aspects are his papacy are solid and better than the last few Popes (e.g. actually referring to the Devil, emphasizing the importance of private devotions, clear preaching understandable to high school students), some he seems to be holding the line, while in others there are a few red flags. But he's been Pope for scarcely a month and it takes time to grow into the Papacy. I'll expect we won't really know the true Pope Francis until a year from now. Either way, he's still the Pope.

Adfero said...

Please let go of the pope and what he calls himself, it's getting old. It is what it is. Stop pulling us off topic.

hebetissimus said...

Well, as regards the identity of following Jesus and hearing Him speaking through His Church, bravo! Thank you, Holy Father!

As regards the Holy Father presenting himself uniformly in his white cassock, and maybe in his selective self-reference as Bishop of Rome, I have wondered whether there is a more edifying significance.

The Holy Father seems to be a great devotee of Our Lady and, especially, under Her title as Our Lady of Fatima. What if he consciously means to evoke the Pope of the Third Secret, the "Bishop in White"; what if he intends himself to be a holocaust for his brethren? That we would have a Pope who was ready to be a good son of Our Lady, teach true doctrine, and offer himself up for the salvation of his flock, if true, at the least would deserve great admiration and filial confidence.

Matthew M said...

I must admit to being wary of Francis I in the beginning but I am impressed with his strong words to the faithful and the world.
As to His actions we will see won't we? If He says one thing and does the opposite then we know things are not right. As a Jesuit he might be strong enough to withstand the liberalizing bureaucracy of liberalism in the Vatican. One can only Hope and Pray.

Unknown said...

Some of us have been skeptical because we have been buffeted so much by the winds of change and visions of disobedience to our Holy Father. But now we can hear ourselves exhaling slowly and relaxing. It seems whatever was causing the nasty 'smells' in the Vatican is being firmly cleaned away. Thank God again for giving us a Pope "for the times". How blessed we have been / are to have each of these talented men fill the shoes of Peter. Our Pope Francis knows how to steer the barque and has good command of language. Bless him Lord and continue to give him good health and protection.

Deacon Augustine said...

Was he or wasn't he speaking of the SSPX???

Isn't it blindingly obvious that he was speaking of the religious orders that were the subject of his speech which manifestly do not understand "sentire cum ecclesia"?

Hint: it is not always about the SSPX. In fact the SSPX is pretty numerically insignificant in terms of the universal Church. They are not involved in either organization for which this congress was arranged.

Adfero said...

mark oconnor, we love you too! Thanks for reading.

elfrancoloco said...

Thank you, Adfero, for this post.

Giving credit where credit is due: Fr. Z. traced Pope Francis' expression "sentire con la Chiesa" back back to the Latin phrase, "sentire cum Ecclesia" -- which in turn has roots in the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola.

Says St. Ignatius: "To have the true sentiment which we ought to have in the Church Militant, let the following Rules be observed." ... "The first: All judgement laid aside, we ought to have our mind ready and prompt to obey, in all, the true Spouse of Christ our Lord, which is our holy Mother the Church Hierarchical."

Said Pope Francis, as he closed his remarks to the IUSG: "Siate gioiose, perché è bello seguire Gesù, è bello diventare icona vivente della Madonna e della nostra Santa Madre Chiesa gerarchica."

I would render that more or less as "Be filled with joy, because it is beautiful to become a living icon of the Madonna, and of our holy Mother the Church Hierarchical." This is a direct reference to the first of St. Ignatius' 18 rules for having the mind of the Church Militant, which is the mind of Christ.

Pope Francis' phrase "sentire con la Chiesa" was probably also a reference to section 46 of Pope John Paul II's Apostolic Exhortation, Vita Consecrata, which -- surprise! -- is quoted in section 1 of the CDF's Doctrinal Assessment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious. This is not to say that Pope Francis's remarks were addressed primarily to the LCWR. His words of encouragement were for anyone disposed to hear them.

The heading for section 46 of Vita Consecrata is Sentire cum Ecclesia, and in that section Pope John Paul II likewise cites St. Ignatius.

References:

Pope Francis' discourse to the IUSG.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/speeches/2013/may/documents/papa-francesco_20130508_uisg_it.html

Apostolic Exhortation Vita Consecrata.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20120418_assessment-lcwr_en.html

The CDF's doctrinal assessment of the LWCR.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20120418_assessment-lcwr_en.html

The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola (tr. Fr. Elder Mullan, S.J.).
http://archive.org/details/spiritualexercis00ignauoft

elfrancoloco said...

Brain glitch! I omitted to translate part of that Italian passage. The full, but still amateur translation is: "Be filled with joy, because it is beautiful to follow Jesus, and beautiful to become a living icon of the Madonna, and of our holy Mother the Church Hierarchical."

LeonG said...

However, the issue I would raise is that membership of the church is more than a "feeling" or sereis of similar emotions. It is an objective reality borne out by visible demeanor; audible sentiments expressd; symbolic representations & orally stated dispositions. Mere feelings are illusory unless reinforced by objective & demonstrable realities. If one accusation can be levelled with absolute accuracy against this post-conciliar church, it is this obsessive insistence upon feelings. These are unreliable indicators and do not properly substantiate membership of the church.

elfrancoloco said...

Yes, that's a valid concern. However, if you were referring to Papa Francisco's remarks, I believe that something was lost in translation. Not because the translation above was bad, which I would not be qualified to assert.

However, sentire has several different senses in Italian, and no English term carries the same wealth of associations. A translator is forced to choose.

By referring us back to the Latin, "sentire cum Ecclesia", Fr. Z. emphasized the sense of "thinking" over "feeling". The translation of the Exercises from which I quoted above may have seemed to emphasize emotion, but I noticed just now that the Index at the back of the book has the following entry for that chapter: "Church, rules for thinking with".

Rule 1, from which Pope Francis quoted, clearly states that that thinking with the hierarchical Church is first of all an act of the will: the will to obey. Based on other famous quotes from Saint Ignatius, I believe that means the will to obey and to hear, in that order (Deut. 12:28).

Granted, we're not hearing hammers fall, but the Pope must have his reasons. Out of public view, he may wield a deadfall hammer that is all the more effective for not wasting kinetic energy on noise and recoil.

bill bannon said...

"Thinking with the Church" when Ignatius wrote of it in c1548 meant supporting "burning heretics" which was affirmed in 1520 by Pope Leo X (Exsurge Domine, art.33 condemned) and was done by Pope Saint Pius V after Ignatius. Now "coercion of spirit" is condemned in section 80 of Splendor of the Truth as ontrinsically evil. So
"thinking with the Church" led many to do that which is now seen as evil irrespective of context. The infallible, the inerrant of scripture and the de fide of Tradition should be attended by "thinking with the Church" but other areas like the current death penalty article 2267 of the catechism seem ill advised in light of 6 Catholic non death penalty countries being in the 20 worst murder rate countries on earth...El Salvador, Honduras, Dominican Republic. Brazil, Columbia, Venezuela. And Mexico with 45,000 cartel murders in six years and no death penalty...being the 2nd largest Catholic population
is another case that where life sentences are questionable as sufficient in detterence....especially sin Chapo Guzman escaped maximum security and returned to head the Sinaloa cartel.