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Nobody is crying
The greatest crisis of the Priesthood in the history of the Church

Nobody is crying

If there were no more priests hardly anyone would be crying about it. This is the sad statement that we have to make.

We are witnessing the greatest crisis of the priesthood in the history of the Church. Whole areas in Europe are now without priests and all is hushed up. You do not even hear a single bishop raise the alarm, weeping with the faithful, asking everyone to pray intensely for priestly vocations and ordering fasting with ardent supplications that the Lord may have mercy on His people.

It is true, you will hear bishops and heads of curia describing the numbers of this dizzying drop in the presence of priests in the Church. You will hear them calmly - too calmly – drawing up a list of the information in a detached manner as if it were a situation to accept just as a matter of course - in fact, the chance for a new Church – more of the people.

In the coming years, in Italy, land of Christian antiquity, we will witness the disappearance of parishes and some [radical] changes, unthinkable even a few years ago, in the simplest structures of Catholicism, of parish communities, where Christian life was [once] natural for everyone. But the absolute majority of busy Catholics will pretend nothing is happening, because their pastors are already doing so.

It is a “ catastrophe”, an “earthquake” - but nobody is crying about it – there is a pretence that nothing is happening. There is a pretence that nothing is happening because the fairytale of the Council’s “springtime” must continue. Any historical verification and evidence of a crisis without precedent are denied.

And a less than Catholic-like future is being prepared for us.

“Restructuring” the organization of Christian communities is already being discussed, i.e. creating space for the lay people (as if they never had enough of it in these past years) and a new type of Christian faithful is being invented who will become the administrators in the parishes and will replace the priests. Lay faithful, duly “clericalized”, will maintain the churches and while waiting for a Mass, they, like adult Christians, will do the preaching of the Word...

...yet nobody is crying about it - nobody is praying and crying out to God.

Perhaps they are not crying out because someone has been preparing this upheaval in the Church for some years now. They have debased the Catholic priesthood, transforming priests from men of God into social workers for the community. They have reduced the breviary and prayer. They have imposed secular dress so that the priests are like everyone else. Priests were told to keep up with the times because the world was moving forward. They were also told not to stress their own importance, but to share their responsibilities with the faithful.

And the final blow: priests were given a Mass that has become the preparation for the catastrophe in the Church. No longer deep prayer; no longer adoration of God Who is present. There is no longer intimate union with the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, but, instead, there is a holy supper with the community. Everything is centered on man - not on God - and a lot of extenuating talk about building community. It is a Mass which is a constant coming and going of lay people on and off the altar, a training for that coming and going of ladies and gentlemen who will shortly be running our ex-parishes without priests.

With the “worldly” Mass, the universal priesthood of the lay faithful has been cultivated and its meaning twisted. The baptized are a priestly people inasmuch as they offer themselves in sacrifice, in union with Christ crucified, offering all of their life with Jesus. The faithful must sanctify themselves; this is the universal priesthood of the baptized. The faithful do not participate in the Holy Orders of the priesthood, which are of an other nature and conform to the Priesthood of Christ. It is through the Sacrament of Holy Orders that Christ renders Himself present in the grace of the sacraments. If there were no more priests, both the Church and the grace of the sacraments would come to an end.

Martin Luther and Protestantism did exactly this: they destroyed the Catholic priesthood by saying that everyone was a “priest”, underlining specifically the universal priesthood of the laity.

In the matter of restructuring parishes, things might end up like that.

It might have been different to confront this crisis with minds and hearts holding the priesthood in high esteem, with the knowledge that the priest is one of the greatest gifts for the Church and all people. But this has not been the case. The crisis will be dealt with after years of total confusion in the lives of the clergy; after years of being unaccustomed to daily Mass and Catholic doctrine. So the faithful will do without the priest. This is already happening. And when a priest arrives, they will not have a clue what to do with him, having become accustomed to the belief that the Lord will save them without priests and sacraments.

We think it is not right to pretend that nothing is happening.

This is the reason we are asking our faithful to pray fervently to the Lord, so that He will grant a lot of priests to His Church, as He once did.

Dear faithful, in this month of June, which is the time dedicated to Holy Orders, let us have the courage to ask for this grace, even with tears, to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

And let us cling to the most precious gift of the Mass of all time – the Mass of Tradition. It is only this Mass that will give new priests to the Church of the Lord.

[Editorial: Radicati nella fede, June 2013, bulletin of the Catholic community of Domodossola and Vocogno, Diocese of Novara, Italy - Translation and tip: Contributor Francesca Romana]


Adfero said...

All wonderful, accurate points.

However, it's also a problem of simple math.

What they don't mention is that Catholics have contracepted themselves out of priests and nuns. To think most families will only have one or two children and somehow get a vocation out of it is absurd.

Contraception, and the contraceptive mentality, is usually the answer to most of the modern Church's problems.

Common Sense said...

What is H.H. doing about that? Colling us trads nostalgic fools? It happens that those we love most sometimes hurt us most.

tz said...

Stuff it.

If you watch "Gangs of New York" you will see a Priest killed in a street fight.

Today we've gone high-tech (ask Clarence Thomas if you don't understand).

Does the KofC defend Priests, or busy themselves with crisis pregnancy centers, spaghetti dinners for the injured, and a myriad of other things unrelated to the reason they were created?

The Bishops find it easier to throw priests under the bus (or remembering Fr. Groschel, in front of it) so they get defrocked (dial 1-800-defrock if you were abused, the priest will "disappear" while we "investigate"). It is easier to let them be convicted or simply dump them on the streets (No little irony when John Corapi in one of his talks spoke about a conservative priest that ended up driving a cab just to eat).

I'm qualified (never married - even a virgin!, I know my faith, I follow the Catechism, am fully male), but any hints of vocation are quenched by the reality that the church itself hates priests as much if not more than the secularists, pagans, and atheists.

Bemoan, complain, cry to God, do novenas for vocations, and do whatever about the "shortage" of priests. But while doing so, do look at what you let happen to those who have been ordained. Actions speak louder than words. If you allow the priests to be trashed by the chancery, or just simply ignore them, do not wonder at the lack of vocations. The death of vocations lay at the feet of the laity.

Mike said...

Wow. This is probably the most profound, most important posting I've ever read on Rorate. I've no answers to the vital points that are made here. I do believe the democratisation of the Church has created much of what is lamented here. Mons. Lefebvre spoke often about this. All we are left with, as this piece
beautifully says, is prayer. Prayer, fasting, and sacrifice. Let it be our personal spiritual program from now on. And yes, tears - for what has been lost, and what is still to befall us. God have mercy on us.

Joshua Donescoss said...

Yeah...SSPX has been crying for the past 40 years. What does the Society get in return? "Oh you schismatic fools, come back to the Church! Its not so bad over here. We need you!"

Don't say that nobody is crying. Plently of souls are crying and have cried about in the distant past. What should be asked however is Who is laughing? Who or what caused this? Who have something to gain from our distruction and how do we stop them?

Long-Skirts said...

Adfero said...

"Contraception, and the contraceptive mentality, is usually the answer to most of the modern Church's problems."

...and not recognizing a Prophet in our own Catholic land, Archbishop Lefebvre. The Society's Priestly vocations are growing but too many souls are afraid to support these men preserving the WHOLE Faith, "please, please, jus don't throw me in to that briar patch"


We are St. Joan,
Philomena, Campion
The Faith in its whole
Is what we do champion.

We are St. Margaret,
Pearl of York
Where the bowels of the Faith
They tried to torque.

We are Sir More,
That's Thomas the Saint
Whose reputation
They could not taint.

We are vocations
Large families and kneeling
Adoring His presence
It's not just a feeling.

We are descendents
Of Tradition and beggin'
To stop all the men
Who are turning us pagan!

We are the poor,
Uneducated ones
But in faith well-informed
The modernist shuns.

And when we are told,
"Don't kneel anymore."
Since we don’t contracept
We birthe and IGNORE!!

Merci Marcel!

dolorosa said...

Archbishop Lefebvre warned the faithful and how many listened to him. He will be a saint one day. What is tragic is that the Vatican II popes and especially JP II have contributed to the crisis in the RCC and if you are on Facebook, check out this page on him: and also

Gratias said...

"They have debased the Catholic priesthood, transforming priests from men of God into social workers for the community." This editorial is all true. The Protestantization of the Church goes on and on.

Philosoraptor said...

Christendom as a monolithic force is over. A much smaller Church is the Church of the future. The modernist 'innoventions' (priestless parishes) will wither and die, whereas those areas where the Faith is taught, believed, and practiced (Lincoln, NE and Arlington, VA come to mind) will flourish.

There has been a mass apostasy since the mid-20th century, but it is not over. Those who love the Church are still willing to live for Her (and these include Novus Ordo Catholics, by the way), suffer for Her, and if need be, lay down their lives for Her and Her Bridegroom. Vocations are rising, if not flourishing, in such parishes and dioceses. To be sure, the situation looks grim for the Church of Europe and the Americas; heresy is rampant throughout Her and She has been marred by schism. If She were a human institution, She would have perished long ago. But She is of divine origin, and not even the gates of Hell have, are, or will prevail against Her, for so Our Lord has decreed it.

Angelo said...

Modernism existed before St. Pius X. St. Pius X condemned modernism as a Heresy. So ugly is this heresy that priests at one time, before being ordained, had to take an oath against it. During and after Vatican ll modernism popped its ugly head out in full view, causing unspeakable damage to Christ's Church. Modernism is now treated as the norm for all Catholics. Traditionalists condemn modernism and uphold the truth. So we are called reactionaries, along with a warning to others about us. We are the Stone rejected by the modernist builders. Lets keep praying and working to restore all things in Christ.

Sixupman said...

A bishop, of my passing acquaintance preached at the 25th. Ordination Anniversary of a priest friend. The tenor was that he looked forward to a different church of lay communities. He laid waste to his diocese, which is now on the verge of extinction. He had been the rector of a seminary.

Savonarola said...

Every crisis is also an opportunity. Could we be being called to rethink our understanding of priesthood? A while ago Dutch Dominicans suggested that every community should choose from their own number someone they wish to see presiding at the liturgy, a very New Testament model which would solve the crisis at a stroke and do away with the need for lengthy and expensive formation of priests. Needless to say the idea was immediately pooh-poohed by Rome, but if all we want to do is carry on with everything as it is now as unchanged as possible the crisis can only get worse. What is the Holy Spirit saying to us?

New Catholic said...

Oh, isn't that sweet?

I highly doubt the original Savonarola would tolerate this kind of idea.

Of course, those who have created and promoted this crisis want exactly this: creating a "need" that did not exist before in order to propose "solutions" that destroy the very essence of our Church, established thus by the Lord Himself.

im-blogger said...

This seems to be a great time to re-post this wonderful video: hope for the USA, hope for souls all around the world!

Thank you, Long Skirts, for the poem :)

Renel B. Peña said...

"Let them continue on the lines adopted by the Church for the last 20 years (now last 50 years after Vatican II), and to the question "Will there still be priests in the year 2000?" The answer must be, "NO." But if there is a return to the true notions of the Faith, there will be vocations, both for seminaries and for the religious orders." - Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, SSPX Founder

Can Conciliar Optimism Change the Reality of the Facts?
"Fifty years later, “the Church’s today” seems to be inexorably fixed upon Vatican Council II, a horizon that cannot be passed, the sole compass of a Church in crisis, incapable of freeing herself from a new Pentecost that proves in reality to be a disastrous failure. From “Satan’s smoke” to the “silent apostasy”, nothing seems to be able to perturb the apparent optimism, ever present. And what if, on this anniversary, we were to remember the request of a missionary archbishop who never stopped begging to be allowed to “try the experiment of Tradition”? No, not another adventurous experiment, but an experiment tried and proved, proved for 2000 years." (

benjoyce said...

Who needs a priest anyway?

without a catholic priest there is no salvation

Why are you catholic? (answer)"to save your soul"

Fr. Feeney put his finger on the problem 60 years ago. During the '60's Fr. said, "Because the Church no longer defends the dogma of 'outside the Church there is no salvation', everything that is catholic is being taken away from us."

Of course this includes the priesthood, the Mass, confession......who needs them! Why defend them? there is no urgency here! cool

Lee B said...

We have seen this before, no? Maybe not us as Catholics, but it is amazing how history continually repeats itself with such subtle changes. Look at the Old Testament covenant that was constantly abused, ignored and finally transformed into what we have today. A remnant will be preserved, maybe that is all, is Israel actually the prodigal son talked about by Jesus still to come back home?? We need to trust in our Lord and His mother , keep our eyes on the cross and get on with it. We can't save the world, none of us, He already saved it :-) JMJ Lee

Long-Skirts said...


Jewel of the west
On eastern coast
Atlantic aurora
Our Mother's boast

The proud are scattered
In conceits of their heart
Blind to Melchisedech's
Priests thou art

Jewel of the west
On eastern coast
Atlantic aurora
Our Mother's boast

A light to the Revelation
Of faithful Gentiles
Angels sing canticles
Simeon smiles

Jewel of the west
On eastern coast
Atlantic aurora
Our Mother's boast

Root of Jesse
Gate of morn
Unworldly womb
The skulkers scorn

Jewel of the west
On eastern coast
Atlantic aurora
Our Mother's boast

And we your daughters
Comely and fair
A terrible army
Birthing His heir

Jewel of the west
On eastern coast
Atlantic aurora
Our Mother's boast

For our sons' inheritance
Roman men toil --
A Cathedral of cassocks
The Catholic priesthood all Royal!

...if you are too afraid to support the Faith, physically being preserved then secretly send them money - Oh, how the heathen will RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

St. Margaret Clitherow, ora pro nobis for these men to have even secret courage!

Jeremiah Methuselah said...

An excellent article, in all respects, Thank you.

Let us be realistic and admit that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for most people to admit they have been and still are wrong, wrong, wrong about the source of the errors in the Catholic Church - why, many will still not even admit anything IS wrong..

If we look at the huge majority of priests and the even bigger majority of bishops and higher ecclesiastics of the Catholic Church, the numbers of those who will admit to error diminish almost to the point of invisibility.

Possibly the best examples of Catholic bishops and non-catholic bishops would be ++Lefebvre and cardinal Daneels, he who approves of sodomitical “marriage”.

The late, great and holy Father Paul Marx OSB declared regularly “Contraception is the gateway”. He explained that once contraception is accepted, a whole raft of iniquity will surely follow.

Find the time to go here : and listen to his wise and holy words.

Titus said...

"Does the KofC defend Priests, or busy themselves with crisis pregnancy centers, spaghetti dinners for the injured, and a myriad of other things unrelated to the reason they were created?"

This is a profoundly ignorant comment. The Knights of Columbus were not founded to defend priests; even the anti-clerical sentiments of early American Protestants was rarely violent. The Knights were founded precisely to take care of widows, orphans, and the disabled: to provide for the families of Catholic men who preventing by death or injury from doing so themselves. Furthermore, anyone who thinks the Knights aren't supportive of the priesthood either isn't paying attention or lives near a council that has a serious problem.

But why are we surprised that there are fewer priests? How many actual practical Catholics are there? Certainly not many more than are proportional to the number of priests we have.

Romanitas Press said...

This is exactly why Archbishop Lefebvre (against his own wishes, I might add) founded the Society of St. Pius X, encouraged by so many seminarians, parents, priests and bishops.

Dalmiro GR said...

Can I translate it to Spanish and post this in other places (of course mentioning you RC)? It's great!!


Robbie said...

We're a low Church now and that's just what Cardinal Mahoney bragged about after Francis was elected.

I think it's wrong to assume the Council supporters know they're wrong. In fact, I think they believe they've just not gone far enough yet.

Some of the more crafty ones probably rejoice at the decline in vocations because they believe it enhances their desires to see women as priest and deacons.

Adfero said...

Dalmiro, of course, feel free.

Armando Ortiz said...

Demographics certainly suggest that vocations will become increasingly rare, but this does not mean that the Church will die, it will simply evolve. The Early Church Fathers had to rely upon the laity, and the future Church Fathers will as well. I see no reason that properly trained Deacons cannot fulfill the administrative functions of a parish and leave the Priests to more important duties. Catholics will never abandon our Priests or our parishes so long as they are able and free to do so. As for the issue of the KofC busying themselves with Lenten Fish Dinners and fund raising, well if that's what is needed, that's what is needed. If the KofC are to take a more responsible role, Let the Bishops provide leadership. The KofC will follow obediently.

Armando Ortiz said...

I see no reason why properly trained Deacons cannot take on more responsibility for administration of Parishes, leaving the Priests more time to focus on the more important functions. The Early Church Fathers surely relies heavily upon the laity to keep the parishes functioning, the future Church Fathers will as well. As for the KofC busying itself with charity and fund raising, that's the role which has been left to it in the current scheme of things. I'm sure that the KofC can take a more active and responsible role. All it takes is leadership from the Priests and Bishops. The KofC will fall in line smartly, of that you can be sure.

Long-Skirts said...

Renel B. Peña said...

"But if there is a return to the true notions of the Faith, there will be vocations, both for seminaries and for the religious orders." - Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre


Weep not for Me
As you can see
The truth before your face

Weep not for Me
The Society
Sacerdos for the human race

Weep not for Me
I give to thee
Priests in My dwelling place

Weep not for Me
Your heredity
Is not just bells and lace

Weep not for Me
No souls latch-key
I've given you Fathers with grace

Weep not for Me
Seek sanctity
Not Bishops who debase

Weep not for Me
It's time to flee
Man-centered worship space

Weep not for Me
But progeny…
Stop your slithering at Satan's pace!

New Catholic said...

"Country" here is used in a general sense, as in the specific regions, the countryside around a village, lands - terra, terre, in the original. There certainly are many lands in Europe without a single priest, tiny parishes which just a generation ago had several.

I am adapting Francesca's translation accordingly in order to avoid further idiotic comments.

7f21c93e-cecc-11e2-beaf-000bcdcb2996 said...

I dare say the following, and only because I have extensive experience as a seminarian and trying to continue that path for years...

The speculative guides the practical as St. Thomas teaches and this is the real problem we face. The ability for our intellect to guide our will has been hampered and harmed to a great extent by the situation the church is in. If the intellect lacks clarity on what to do the will cannot fly unhindered to its goal.

We live in an age of confusion, distrust, and self-reliance to even have our faith. The constant fights in parishes, non-trust of bishops (diocesan and even in the SSPX) and lack of trust in the Holy Father has lead our speculative reason to become apathetic, otherwise one would go mad if we realize how bad things have become.

It was always taught the voice of the superior is the voice of God and through that voice you gain Heaven (in all things save sin). Who really trusts their priests anymore? I've lived in all the conservative and traddy areas and I can tell you that we might like a priest here and there, but almost every man I've met has fears and lack of faith in leadership, and rightfully so as I've been on the inside and will say that leadership is poor no matter what direction you go because Rome does not guide as it should.

I hope what I write does not scandalize you, but the real tears is the outlet a man has to take to even have a vocation. That's the real elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss. We pretend we have options through traditional communities but look at how they treat their vocations and priests without rose-colored glasses and you realize each vocation is a miracle. Yes, I recognize the vocations in trad groups as well as dioceses that have priests, but objectively its much smaller than it should be.

I've seen abuses in all the big traddy communities to how they treat seminarians with true distrust, and relegating their priests to the dust-bin if they become "problematic" either because their preaching is too uncomfortable, or they wish to move the status quo to a more Godly environment. Such men have stop-watches attached to their actions before their superiors get rid of them or they too become apathetic for survival.

The bottom line is how are we to have vocations when so many of us are apathetic and yet we have the truth because our situation has torn us up inside? This I don't know. Maybe this is the age of Gideon all over again.

Barbara said...

In my parish, which unfortunately I very rarely attend now for many of the reasons described in the article - we still have a priest - in his 60s and there has only been one priestly vocation in 15 years.

The parish is mainly run by lay people now - , although the priest tries to maintain a kind of Catholic spirituality. I feel for him. It's quite a big parish that tries to serve about 6,000. Nearby there are parishes without priests and retired priests come to offer Mass on a Sunday or priests from the neighbouring Catholic school do that. The priestly vocations in that teaching order have greatly dimished as well and most now are well over 70. The youngest I know is about 48.
The article could be considered extreme, but the truth is often found in extremes. It's a wake up call. At least that's the way I read it. It seems that so very few see the drama of having no priests as something quite shocking and scary for devout Catholics.

Think about it - what would we do without the Blessed Sacrament?

As these priests requested, I prayed a Rosary for priestly vocations today...

Edward More said...

Timely and relevant article indeed, although saying that not a single bishop in the church is raising the alarm is probably going a tad too far. We must all pray and offer sacrifices that the Lord may rectify the situation, but I don't think we can realistically expect that any real solutions are going to emanate out of the conciliar church (aka "church of nice" and so on). I myself have had an "e-debate" with someone who firmly believes in the good fruits of Vatican II, and while he acknowledges there is a crisis, he merely thinks that the results we have seen these last fifty years are due to people going/choosing the wrong path, and nothing absolutely to do with the changes that have been implemented on the church. "Crosses" that have been placed on the church, to use his words. And while it is obvious that people indeed have been choosing the wrong path, the changes implemented after Vatican II have helped to amplify the problem.

One interesting aspect on vocations that Bishop Fellay has talked about recently in an interview about the new seminary project is that he says that so many possible new vocations are "aborted" (his word) in the church before they have a chance to mature. Which makes sense of course: who could possibly develop a firm vocation to the priesthood when we see week after week the priest practically being relegated to the background, or of the priest being seen as more of a "social worker/administrator" than a true priest who administers the holy sacrifice of the holy mass in persona christi? The Lord is allowing the branches in his Church which are not bearing fruit to wither and die, to be cut off from His mystical body.

One statistic from France says it all: 1/3-1/4 of all new priests in that country are traditionally oriented (SSPX, FSSP and so on).

backtothefuture said...

I think John Vennari said this, that v2 wiped out more priests than the black plague.

Mr. C said...

As sympathetic as one can be towards the maxim "Save the Liturgy, save the world," I pray, hope and believe than in HHFrancis that his pontificate will exemplify the sacred kiss of these other two maxims: "Ora et labora" will merge with "Lex orandi, lex credendi."
I cannot see any other path from this morass of careerism, polemics, fear mongering and muckraking and every other form of distraction demons compel us to engage in daily.
It must start at the altar, proceed through the Office, and then leave the confines of the rectories and offices by each ordained celebrant. They can never show hesitancy in the face of truth, preach that truth, teach that truth, and do so in holy love.
Christ, I believe, did not in any way mean the Great Commission to have its fulfillment in the "smaller, purer Church."
Repent and believe.

Jacobi said...

You are right. The present crisis in the Church is the greatest since the Protestant Reformation, possibly worse. The Church will survive, but how?

I have for some time now suspected that we are focusing too much on numbers, of priests and parishes, and not enough on quality. After all, the Church survived in England, Scotland and other parts of Europe on a handful of priests sheltered by recusant families.

We will have to accept a much smaller Church for some time as Benedict XVI has suggested. The traditional orders, using the Gregorian Mass liturgy, are very small in numbers at present but growing, and it may be that they and the remaining loyal priest from elsewhere, are the future?

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Rev Richard Baker said...

The reduction of clergy is nessesary! The lavender mafia stronghold must be broken!!!!!

Archer Balls said...

I have three very short experiences to recount. When I first approached a diocese here in the UK the hour and a half discussion with the vocations director covered pay and perks of priestly life. I got a strong feeling that he was steering the conversation away from any talk of spirituality. It seemed to make him uncomfortable. I gave up on that diocese. A friend was given a list of books to read by a Sister who was assistant to the vocations director of another diocese. One of the books was strongly pro-women priests. He attended a couple of vocations days presided over by the Sister and then gave up. She was basically filtering out candidates who didn't share her leftist agenda. Another friend when interviewed by the selection board, was interrogated by the auxiliary bishop regarding his preferences for traditional liturgy. He basically lied to get through the interview, having picked up pretty quickly which way the wind was blowing in that meeting.
There is sadly a fundamental disjoint between the generations of clergy now like never before. The clergy of today see the faith and the Church as their own construction and are fearful of handing it over to a generation of new priests that they (rightly) suspect will dismantle their five decades of work. On top of that, a radically compromised faith has been passed on to the young, leaving a much smaller pool from which future priests can be drawn.

libera-me said...

Meanwhile last week on EWTN radio with Tim Staples at the helm in addition to his comedian host/sidekick bashed "radical Traditionalists" for a full 2 hours. They proclaimed over and over again that the SSPX was OUTSIDE the Church--(and note they did not refer to them as "separated brethren")

It was a vicious persecution by those who turn a blind eye to the crisis in the Church and declare that the new Springtime has arrived due to the Bestest Council Ever. So many apologists have made a career of justifying anything and everything under the sun in the name of VII and while ignoring the RUPTURE that it brought about.

God Help US!!

Adfero said...

Malta, I have four, the oldest just turned six last month. Have a great day!

Beefy Levinson said...

I was in the seminary from 2008 to 2010. Seeing how the sausage gets made, so to speak, left me a bit cynical about modern formation. Cynicism is a character fault I struggle with so take what I have to say about my experiences with a grain of salt.

The article and several of the commenters have it spot on: the priest, in many places, has been reduced to a social worker who doesn't date. During evaluation sessions, my adviser warned me that the faculty would ding me for being too "cultic," i.e. focusing too much on those specifically priestly things like offering the Mass and absolving sinners. They wanted me to express more interest in social justice, cutting edge theology, and other things they considered important.

It's wrong to say there's a vocations shortage in the Church. Is anyone really prepared to argue that God is not calling enough men to replenish the ranks of the priesthood without which we have no sacraments? It's more accurate to say that there's a shortage of the sort of men that bishops and seminary faculties like who are able and willing to be priests given the modern understanding of the priesthood.

Lepanto said...

Of course the shortage of priests has been knowingly engineered by some bishops who want to give birth to the 'new church' with laity taking the lead. Fr. Longenecker said this about UK bishops years ago when he sought ordination in the UK and was told that there were too many priests already. The wayward bishops will soon have their way and so some of us will need to travel a long distance to Mass each Sunday. Don't they realise that real Catholics will travel rather than attend some lay led Communion Service in lay led parish which will soon die for lack of funds?

Magdalene said...

Michael Voris speaks about what an unfaithful bishop will experience if he is condemned to hell. For years we could name the faithful bishops off hand. It is slightly better but Orders have been decimated. Our bishop is saying some good things but mostly on the social justice issues. He does not come to the abortion mills nor promote adoration and only tolerates the Latin Mass. He is one of the better ones.

I have been in a parish where they were preparing for no priest: it is an agenda you know.

To lose the priest, we lose the Eucharist and we lose the Church at least in places.

Lord: how we need holy priests.

Supertradmum said...

An old priest friend of mine said that priests in the seminary in the 1950s in the Midwest went in to protestantize the Church on purpose and this was before Vatican II. Vatican II did not happen in a vacuum, but in a traumatized post-war Europe where deluded Catholic bishops honestly thought a pan-Christian church was the only answer to tyrannies.

This idea led to the emphasis on the laity, before the formal adaptation of such ideas in Vat II and yes, I have studied the confusing documents.

The result of all these things, including modernism, was the undermining of the priesthood. This was a movement started as early as the pre-WWII generation in Germany and in Italy.

What we are witnessing in Europe and in many dioceses in American is a long history now of the balkanization of the hierarchy of the Church.

However, I must add that the laity are to blame as much as the clergy for not learning their faith and for not being generous with their children responding to vocations.

On a personal note, my only child is in the seminary and he and I were both criticized by Catholics for his vocation, as some thought his first duty was to his mum. Can you imagine their surprise with the words of Christ concerning those who put family before God? But, this is what has happened. A Latina friend of mine, whose only son is in the seminary, also found criticism from Latino Catholics who argued her boy should be at home with her, as she is a widow.

The entire idea of giving one's child to the Church AND A PARENT HAD TO WILL THIS, has vanished from the stingy hearts of the laity.

I agree totally that contraception and abortion among Catholics is the primary reason for the priest shortage, followed by the lack of generosity of parents and no religion in the homes.

But a third reason is the last two generations decision not to get married. How many single men read this blog regularly with no intention of finding a wife and having children? Sorry, but both the NO and TLM are attended by many young men in their 20s and 30s who have never grown up to accept their responsibility to the larger community-marriage and children.

Until the lay people accept holiness and duty, the crisis with continue and we shall deserve what we get.

Dymphna said...

I know a few single men who frankly, need to stay single. It would not be duty or holiness or a boon to the community for them to ruin some poor girl's life.

cameron said...

There are huge areas of Canada with severe shortages of priests (Quebec, the Maritimes, the Prairies, the North) but there is an equal shortage of practicing Catholics. Many parishes are kept open (many bishops shy away from closing them) even though the numbers attending no longer warrant it. In cities other parish churches are nearby but bishops fear people are unwilling to travel the distance (which is a sad commentary on even practicing Catholics). A financial crunch is only a few years away. The older generation that paid the bills is going into nursing homes or dying off. About 90percent of babyboomers quite practicing their faith years ago (even though about 80% were taken to church as children), and 99percent of babyboomer children never practiced or have stopped too.

Angelo said...

When I was 18 in 1977 I was accepted as a Postulant in the Franciscan Order. But upon observation, this group of Franciscans were all work and no pray. Prayer was given no importance. This was confusing to say the least, it seemed all they wanted me for was to work, with God not being any part of my Vocation. I ended up getting married. This brings to mind that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre seems to have been a prophet in todays Church. It is said that at one of the sessions of Vatican ll, Lefebvre walked out yelling out at the Council Fathers that what they intended doing would destroy the Church. Everything he warned about has actually come to happen. I think Rome should take another good look at all he said and warned about. Simply because he was correct in all he warned about.

Alan Aversa said...

Yes, when in the Church's history has the number of priests per Catholic dropped 50%, as it did after Vatican II?