At last! POST VATICAN II : THE EPISCOPAL MUSICAL or bishops behaving fatuously. Unsurprising that evangelical Protestantism is advancing in South America. Protestants do such antics better.These gyrating bishops are not leaders but gormless followers aping youthful behaviour and being simply silly.
Is this for real?
What on earth? What in heaven? Who's running this show?
Not Fatuous, Frank. "Unless you become like a little child, you will not enter the kingdom." The Bishops were asked and they graciously set aside pride and joined in. I do the same when I play with my grandchildren. Would you rather they folded their arms and glared (in a dignified way, of course) at the young people. Lighten up.
Too early for Carnival and too many men for Miss Universe. This is just disgraceful and disgusting. Have they any clue what they have done to the dignity of our Holy Mother Church? I am afraid they know and they do not care.
Pat, this crowd is not children -- they are young adults. In the past, they all could marry and bring their own children into the world.And bishops wonder why Catholics don't follow them or the Church they're supposed to be leading. Who would follow someone who acts like such a jackass?
"If a fool persists in his folly, he will become wise."Blake, The Parables of Hell.P.K.T.P.
Well, fellow traditionalists, we have no other recourse than to just endure. We have to emulate Jesus who was silent during His Passion. We have endured various atrocities inflicted upon us; Roman persecutions, schisms, revolutions, global wars, and so forth. We can survive a few dancing bishops.
Can someone please recommend good writing on the spiritual dangers of this sort of "enthusiasm"? I know in my gut it's irreverent and wrong but cannot explain why.
At moments like these, I can only imagine what the great Popes of recent times must think. Pius X and Pius XII must be rolling over in their graves. The passion of the Church continues. I pray someday this ends, but it may well not be during your or my lifetime.
Now that Pope Francis is in place and we are on the defensive, it will be easier to introduce the NewMass Prefaces and 'update' the calendar. What's the opposite of an updating? A downdate?P.K.T.P.
The Church and the Papacy have come to this? What is next, Pope Francis as guest judge on "So You Think You Can Dance"? Dignity of Office is a forgotten concept.
It looks for all the world like a bunch of lay youth got together and asked, "How far can we push these bishops? How stupid can we make them look?" The choreographer (or puppet master, whichever) is making them do whatever he wants. Sad.
Self-conscious, insipid, contrived, embarrassing.Everything that I always felt at a novus ordo mass.
No Pat, it is quite fatuous indeed. And it is the young people here who will draw that conclusion faster than any of the cynical adults. They'll have a great time at World Youth Day, but when they go back home, they will stop practicing the Faith soon enough. Remember the wisdom of the story, "The Emperor's New Clothes." Children see through fakery faster than adults. It is all the clowning around that leads young people to draw the obvious conclusion: "Hmm. If Father X behaves like a fool in Church, then he must not really believe all that stuff in the Bible."
Ronald Knox has a book entitled "Enthusiasm". It's fairly historical, and even a little dry (wouldn't you know), but good on this type of ephemeral religious feeling.
" Would you rather they folded their arms and glared (in a dignified way, of course) at the young people. Lighten up."I would rather they smiled benevolently at them, and maintained their dignity.
Robbie, it is not only previous Popes who would have been horrified at this liturgical circus. Just imagine what the early Protestant reformers would have thought. Martin Luther would have interpreted it as demonic possession. Even self-respecting Baptists find this stuff revolting. Only Pentacostals find this to be "normal." And guess which denomination is picking off more Catholics than any other?
This is awful......At least they're wearing cassocks.
This is so sick.RJH
Benedict XVII and Trent II. Subito!
No wonder Monsignor Ricca still has his job.
This isn't really "liturgical" dancing is it? While I would agree this is not in the best taste, I don't think it is quite as bad as some here are making it out. Goofy, yes. The end of the world, no.
You put your left foot in, You put your left foot out,You put your left foot in, And you shake it all about ...Come on! you all know the words!Undignified, to say the least.
If you don't know all the details, then don't comment. The young people participating at WYD are planning on doing the largest organized flash mob skit in history. What you see in the video is the bishops simply watching them practice and participating. They will not be participating during the actual skit and this is not for a mass or spiritual gathering. It'll be a small show for the pope done by the youth only. Unless you know the full details, then do not criticize. Finally, I absolutely love how many of you come and rush to comment on the critical articles of HH Pope Francis while lovely articles such as "Stat crux dum volvitur orbis" or the "Juventutem" articles only get about 10-20 comments. I truly cry when I see how easy it is for soo many of you to criticize or attack instead of commend or love.
This is the result of Francis giving the OK to make a "MESS".Fools!
I guess they don't have the courage to go against the tide, the poor amadans.
Henry Babek- Thanks for the explanation. I was afraid they were being undignified. NO ONE I WOULD EVER RESPECT WOULD EVER GO ALONG WITH THIS. No one.
Could not bear to watch
To Pat,Not the Gospel but its parody: " Unless you become childish you shall not enter the preposterous kingdom of Man upon earth".These collegial episcopal nitwits may succeed in convincing youth that with age comes not maturity and wisdom but childish inanity.It's right to evoke Ronald Knox's book, 'Enthusiasm' which describes religious ratbaggery through the century. For instance read him on the Convulsionaries of St. Medard.
A banal example of how MOST even bishops join in so as to belong. Humiliatingly banal. Kylie Minogue and The Wiggles Monkey Dance comes to mindhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ7Dy0QrDn8 This clip shows how easily manipulated and out of touch with contemporary culture these bishops are!
As the song says "ho, ho, ho, ho".Hiii yaaa sooo crassssyyyyyy another Carmen Miranda moment!
But, but, but...things have changed in Rome. The church is eclipsed. Kyrie eleison.
Aw, man, what a disappointment! It's as bad as MPB. Bring out the forró!
Incredible. T.S. Eliot's Hollow Men are now leading the Church. We are the hollow menWe are the stuffed menLeaning togetherHeadpiece filled with straw. Alas!Our dried voices, whenWe whisper togetherAre quiet and meaninglessAs wind in dry grassOr rats’ feet over broken glassIn our dry cellarShape without form, shade without colour,Paralysed force, gesture without motion;Those who have crossedWith direct eyes, to death’s other KingdomRemember us—if at all—not as lostViolent souls, but onlyAs the hollow menThe stuffed men.----Definitely read the rest of this poem. He had these frivolous men pegged.
As my young adult children would say:"Epic Fail!"
Are you for real, Pat? Any traditional Catholic frequenting this traditional Blog will be aghast at the sight of the shepherds of Christ's Church being led as if schoolgirls on some merry dance. The Revolution - and this is it writ large, on a giant multimillion-dollar humble favela stage - is purely diabolical. What you see before you is not the Catholic Faith. Our Blessed Lord did not instruct his apostles to go forth and make a mockery of their authority, devastate the divine liturgy and generally mince about as lame uncles embarrassing the daylights out of all unfortunate enough to witness the spectacle.Which raises the question as to which of the Works of Corporal and Spiritual Mercy this travesty represents? It must be an important one - the 'show' has cost a bundle..Let me guarantee you that the 'yoof' are not that stupid. Poorly - or not at all - instructed, oh yes, in spades. But not stupid. They will merely turn their faculties, once this fatuous display has mercifully ceased, away from the false understanding of true religion they have tolerated through their school-age years, and progress to the real aims of this world: money, power, sex and the 'pursuit of happiness'. They will contracept, they will abort and they will be agnostics with a Lutheran veneer. They will not care two hoots about Bishop Francis' favelas if they have a mortgage to repay. Their children may attend once-Catholic schools, by way of family tradition, but their knowledge of and attachment to the Faith will go no further.The 'WYD' is a 'WTF' to the rest of the world, and no docile pleasantry of the new theology (that Masonic socialism bastardised as pseudo-religion, and marketed by the irrelevant old men 'offering' this merry dance), will challenge the ruler of this world one iota.This is the devastation of the Revolution, right before you. And if you do not recognise it, poor soul, like the hundreds of millions of your brothers in Christ led astray by the diabolical disorientation of our era, then be very careful that you have not left the Catholic Faith behind.
How can such mature and supposedly wise men make such fools of themselves? They sacrifice their dignity in the altar of Vatican II ideology.
I was there on the ground and saw how he whole thing got to that point. Are the bishops to blame? Well, let's say I don't think that kind of attitude matches the dignity of a bishop. Were I one of them, I would never have gone to such a thing. Nonetheless, I want to say: this was a series of mistakes, of errors. First of all, there was this idea of making a "flash mob" to the Pope, which is stupid. Then, during the whole day there was this coreographer teaching the youths how to dance. Then, at some point, when the bishops have already arrived to participate in the vigil, someone (not sure who) told in the microphone that the priests were asking the bishops to join the dance (yes, the priests were asking - don't know whether that was true or not). So, IT WAS NOT the bishops idea, as some might think. But some bishops went, and the others, although visibly embarassed, had to go too. I think the majority went because of peer pressure. If you don't go, you are labeled a "non participant", or "against the youth" - this kind of thing. However, I repeat, that was not good at all. And I can assure you that many youngsters on the ground did not like that too. Again... I really think that this kind of thing should not be done. The thing was wrong from the beginning. Now, as Fr. Z says, could you please bishops don't do that again?
This reminds me of the "organisation" of the Eucharistic congress in Dublin - simple fatuous non-sense.Pray that Our Lord sends us real bishops who teach the faith both in and out of season and do not prance around on international television with the false idea of humility, "being a fool for the Lord". This is just simply proof that we are led by numpties.
But more importantly, will they still maintain the Benedictine altar arrangement?
I agree with Henry Babek.
Those poor bishops are told that this is the thing to do, that this is what they have to do. Led by pagan choreographers who are ecstatic to tell and show those stupid old men to adapt to a new world. But is this what the apostles would have done in Rome, dance at the local temple of Jupiter, pray with the adepts of Adonis and invite the Vestales for dinner????????????????? Claude
At last, the goats separate themselves from the sheep!
Maybe this is too dour, but when I see these Bishops dancing, I picture the future Francis likely has for the Catholic Church. I think, if his pontificate last for a decade or more, the center of power in the Church will shift to Latin and South America thanks to his appointments.If South America comes to dominate the Vatican, the Church will, more and more, become a spiritual NGO whose sole goal is serving the poor. On top of that, the liturgy will likely become more boisterous (hootenanny jamboree) and the message will sound like something from a Christian evangelical mega church.As I said, maybe I'm being too dour about this, but I definitely think the way of South America is going to shape greatly how the Church looks in the coming years.
Dear Henry Babek,Thanks for your detailed explanation of the events leading up to the Bishops acting like fools, my position still stands. I wouldn't get directions to the grocery store let alone to heaven from these guys. Just can't see Peter and the Apostles doing anything like this. Could you image Paul doing this in Corinth to bring the fornicators and adulterers back into the fold? No he just stood up excoriated them, told them to repent and come back to the true faith. I do realize this is not a liturgical abuse it is just a poor example of leadership. I understand why their flock is scattering. It took Our Lady of Guadalupe to bring Central and South America to the true faith and it is the post Vatican II hierarchy that is scattering the flock.
Just watching Mass in Rio ( live) and lay people administering the Blessed Sacrament to thousands while hundreds of priests and bishops sit on their backsides. What a sad day for the Church.
Monkey see, monkey do.
Next- Argentine tango!
I hope it wasn't actually part of a Mass! They've been pressured into it obviously. I wonder if any of them objected? As Athelstane said, they should have smiled and kept their dignity. Let the youngsters get in with it. I don't know why anyone would get the Bishops to do this because the young people would just think it looks silly anyway. It's like the bride or groom's mum/dad trying to do HipHop at a wedding. It's embarrassing. I DO think WYD is a good idea though, it has potential. Might be a lasting connection with God for some attendees. We used to go to Lourdes every year with the Youth Service, and that's had a lasting influence on some of the youth I met. Admittedly some kids just went to meet girls/boys. It would be lovely if WYD could focus on how to be a good Catholic in a Modern World and not worry about ecumenism.
I didn't really think I would live to see something like this... No wonder youth don't take the church seriously anymore when they see clerics behaving like such fools... By the way, has anybody seen the latest photo from the pope from Time magazine which has declared him to be the "people's pope":http://www.time.com/time/covers/europe/0,16641,20130729,00.htmlThe photo looks rather dark and sinister (no crucifix shown). This, together with "Vanity Fair's" endorsement of the pope is all rather disturbing... I think it is the worst possible sign for someone when the world lavishes such copious praises on that person. What kind of people have been praising Francis: Card. Mahony, Card. Doland, atheists, gay publications (Time, Vanity Fair), gay singers (Elton John called him "a miracle of humility") Good grief, God help us!Anyobdy know whether Mon. Ricca is still in the pope's service???
Cardio-jazzercise day at the nursing home?!
It does say " Bishops practicing for an event" and it did LOOK like the fellow in green was trying to teach them the moves. Sorry to have jumped to the wrong conclusion, will try and be more careful. Relieved it's not for real.
What a sad day for the Church, indeed.
Millions of pilgrims took part in the world's largest flash mob, by performing a simple dance for the Pope. In fact, the title of the song they danced to is called 'Francis.' Before celebrating Sunday's closing Mass in Rio's Copacabana beach, millions of youths took a few minutes to carry out the performance.The choreography was created by two Brazilian professional dancers, who actually created a video beforehand, so people could practice the moves, before the big day. http://www.romereports.com/palio/massive-flash-mob-performed-for-pope-francis-english-10691.html#.UfVAz40vnvYSACRA PROPEDIEM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE BENEDICT XV ON THE THIRD ORDER OF ST. FRANCIS(...) Now there are two passions today dominant in the profound lawlessness of morals - an unlimited desire of riches and an insatiable thirst for pleasures. It is this which marks with a shameful stigma our epoch; whilst it goes ceaselessly from progress to progress in the order of all which touches the well-being and convenience of life, it seems that in the superior order of honesty and of moral rectitude a lamentable retrogression leads it back to the ignominies of ancient paganism. In that measure, in truth, wherein men lose sight of eternal goods which Heaven reserved for them, they permit themselves to be more taken in by the deceitful mirage of the ephemeral goods here below, and once their souls are turned down towards the earth, an easy descent leads them insensibly to relax themselves in virtue, to experience repugnance for spiritual things, and to relish nothing outside the seductions of pleasure. (…) From this point of view one cannot sufficiently deplore the blindness of so many women of every age and condition; made foolish by desire to please, they do not see to what a degree the in decency of their clothing shocks every honest man, and offends God. Most of them would formerly have blushed for those toilettes as for a grave fault against Christian modesty; now it does not suffice for them to exhibit them on the public thoroughfares; they do not fear to cross the threshold of the churches, to assist at the Holy sacrifice of the Mass, and even to bear the seducing food of shameful passions to the Eucharistic Table where one receives the heavenly Author of purity. And We speak not of those exotic and barbarous dances recently imported into fashionable circles, one more shocking than the other; one cannot imagine anything more suitable for banishing all the remains of modesty.http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xv/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xv_enc_06011921_sacra-propediem_en.html
Are you concerned about this? Seriously? The Pope is refusing to kneel before the Blessed Sacrament and we are concerned because some Bishops are dancing! He didn't kneel during Adoration at Copacabana and he NEVER KNEELS DURING CONSECRATION at any Mass. And we know he is able to do it because we've seen him washing the feet on Maundy Thursday and kneeling in other occasions.
Just another point worth of mentioning: until this very moment the Holy Father has not made any single clear and express reference to the question of legalization of abortion, that nowadays, in Brazil, is almost iminent. If this is the case, I think its a huge omission!
"Pat" say's to "lighten up"....There are many souls in Hell who have 'lightened up' since Vatican II and many more to come. NO! I will not 'lighten up' to please you!
I could see various emotions - confusion, embarrassment helplessness - amongst the purple. How can waving your hands in the air together be that difficult Monsignori ? Although, what happened after 0:43 I don’t know, it’s difficult enough trying to be Catholic without prelatial pantomimes like this. Are they on “legal” highs ?
"If South America comes to dominate the Vatican, the Church will, more and more, become a spiritual NGO..."I wonder, is this a bad thing, and if so, why? I ask this because Francis has been saying repeatedly a Church without a message is just an NGO. So, then if it is a *spiritual* NGO, is that right, is that what we are aiming for? And if not, at root why not? This needs to be discussed, since it seems to me to be the implied direction we are indeed going.
This event started going wrong the minute it was conceived, when the idea of the very first World Youth Day germinated in the mind of John-Paul "The Great." The very concept of celebrating "youth" is entirely secular and already parrots a culture that is youth-glorifying and disparages age and wisdom. You cannot covert the world by embracing the standards of the world. This is why I have always found the "culture" at Franciscan University to be so utterly bizarre. It is based on first indulging the worst teenage tendencies, and then trying to convert it all into something Christian. It doesn't work. Thus, we have something on Easter Morning called a "Resurrection Party" where the students dance and gyrate to horrible music with lewd lyrics. If you think I'm making this up, check out this Katy Perry song our students are enjoying on Easter Morning, 2011. (I'll let you look up the lyrics yourself.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-FRR8g9-tY
THEPRELATEPRANCESolidarityIn their danceDoin', doin'The Prelate prance.Fraternal FathersAt a glanceDoin', doin'The Prelate prance.Of it, luv itRio's romanceDoin', doin'The Prelate prance.Traditional PriestThen takes a stanceScorned, deridedLeft to chanceBut Chalice of chanceConsecrates to advance"Come follow Me..."A True Lord of the Dance!
Dr. Timothy J. Williams wrote: "It is all the clowning around that leads young people to draw the obvious conclusion: "Hmm. If Father X behaves like a fool in Church, then he must not really believe all that stuff in the Bible."Since when has a Catholic bishop believed in the historical truth of Bible stories? I am a member of a conservative political forum with many Catholic participants and they are almost to a one the most doubting, skeptical, modernistic critics of the Bible you will ever encounter anywhere. Some of them sport screen names that imply extreme "traditionalism," but one of these people doesn't even believe the entire human race is descended from Adam and Eve (that's allegedly from a "Protestant literalist" interpretation). The Book of Genesis is an especial target of their skepticism, though they grant lessons can be learned from it. It is infuriating to read the horrible things these people write, all the while celebrating the Middle Ages as the high point of human history--as if there was any Biblical skepticism among Catholics in the Middle Ages! Some of these people are even monarchists--but their reactionary tendencies notably **does not** include any belief in the inerrancy of Genesis.There are other, less educated and more traditional Catholics on the forum, but they never respond to the blasphemies of their fellow Catholics. They refuse to get involved and occasionally make the point that the Catholic Church gave the Bible to the world, which I suppose to them means the Church has every right at any time to stop believing in parts of it. And some of these latter people, while refusing to say a word in defense of scriptural integrity, pick fights with anyone who does.THIS is the "simple" faith of antiquity??? One wonders why Darwin had to write "Origin of the Species" if the Catholic Church had been teaching evolution all along!The Catholic Church baptizes totem poles, but if some "redneck" from a Fundamentalist Protestant background comes to them they have no sympathy whatsoever. The same "baptism" that makes totem poles "Catholic" can't seem to do the same with the Book of Genesis. One wonders why it's in Catholic Bibles to begin with.
I thought that, this is some kind of a new horror video by just watching the first one minute.While there is an immediate martyr met their martyrdom in the Middle East, and then some of the videos leaked into Youtube, and then I saw this video?I've already read all of the comments here and thanks to a people that want to clarify what is actually going on, however, it is a very lame excuses: if the Bishops not participating in this kind of 'butchering' act on Faith. Yes, Faith. Then they will be stereotyped as against the Youth.I wish that it is better for me to die of martyrdom in the area where our brothers and sisters is being beheaded, burnt alive, blatantly hit to death, compare to watching this 'mass suicide'.
Can someone give a reasonably accurate account of the seminaries these morons are supposed to bein charge of....??I bet that it would make interesting reading.The result should be sent to all our bishops......a long with contrasting accounts of the SSPX and FSSP seminariesThat'll give 'em something to dance about.....!!!
When those who were carrying the ark of the Lord had taken six steps, he sacrificed a bull and a fattened calf. Wearing a linen ephod, David was dancing before the Lord with all his might, while he and all Israel were bringing up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets.As the ark of the Lord was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him in her heart....When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!” David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death. (2 Samuel 6)
In today's mass at Copacabana unlike the other recent masses, Father, there was a cheap attempt to reintroduce the benedictine altar candle arrangement.
Even when I was a youf, I thought stuff like this was unspeakably lame.
David was before the Ark and dancing. I stopped at 36 seconds because I could see these bishops were dancing before a guy in a green shirt who was giving them directions on how to do it.One was joyously inspired by God. The other was made to order for the masses.I could see some of the bishops just standing there but I figured that was due to age. Their hips just didn't gyrate. The others? Were definitely grooving and that more than anything made me want to hurl green and yellow.Youth day. A stupid narcissistic concept. A much better day would be to honor women's Menopause day in sincerity with St. Elizabeth.O_o
Sister Act III. Aren't they cute!
Well what's all this hullabaloo about. These bishops have done worse things in their dioceses. This is like a break for them. Let them be folks!
My thanks to Henry Babak, for reminding me of the very essence of our shared Catholic Faith : to stay silent, while the great apostasy rages around us; to shrink away from the devastation of Christ's Church when we "don't know all the details". To "commend and love" while the mystical body of Christ is scourged as His earthly body once was at the pillar.Let us then be of good cheer. Let us join hands and dance for joy - that most authentic joy which comes only from our encounter with the mystical cult of man in its purest form, the cult of yoof - and show our inestimable love of Man as we praise and worship Pope - sorry, Bishop - Francis in song! (and isn't it a little sad to hear that this won't be for any "mass (sic.) or spiritual gathering (?)"..)This bishop, this humble man, already so beloved of the world (from its Masonic press organs to its homosexual entertainers and its abortion and sodo-marriage embracing political leaders), is truly a gift of the divine feminine. Let us hope that we may through his reign (doesn't sound quite right.. tenure?) see the Revolution of the New Pentecost move forward in harmony with the children of the world, whether through the ecumenism of organised religion or simply by each one of us, personally, in our own spaces for peace and justice...The young people participating at WYD are planning on doing the largest organized flash mob skit in history.Oh, blessed day!
David danced before the Ark of the Covenant. The Bishops of the Catholic Church were being shown how to dance by Big Gay Al...World of difference.
this is simply shameful. satan is loudly laughing among those bishops. Kyrie eleison
I predict that Francis will introduce Summorum Tangorum, mandating the use of the Argentine mango at all NO masses.
Sorry, Argentine tango
Flash Mob? Really? Flash Mobs went out as soon a the Big Brands started "organizing" them. This isn't done by "youth", it is done by "youth ministers".Here's a take on What Young Catholics Truly Want.At least some of them.
The Bishops choreography was on a rehearsal. Before the actual mass only a few happy bishops went through a few of those moves. But the young Catholics performed an amazingly beautiful line dancing piece composed of 3,000,000 people. It was an amazing sight. In line with the free spiirit of Brazil.http://pagina-catolica.blogspot.com/2013/07/francisco-quiere-lio-y-en-grande.html#moreOur pope seems to know what he doing in Latin America: simplicity.
...at least it's not a pelagian 'restorationism' thingy...
In previous times, it was the mass, and the Church that inspired and animated the culture. However, now it is post-Enlightenment i.e. modernism that is influencing the Church. However, it does not have the intended effect, since, the more modern, giddy, silly, and inane the Church becomes, the more modern people, especially the youth leave in droves. I recently gave a talk a few months ago on Catholic philosophy, and several disheartened mothers approached me afterwards to ask for any books or resources with arguments that could present the faith cogently to their college kids who had become atheists. They said, that their children had told them that the Church is irrelevant, liturgically trite, boring with anti-intellectual homilies droning on ad nausea on being nice and kind at the parish level where they first experienced Catholicism. However, when I suggested to them that the solution could be in a restoration of Catholic tradition that is boldly relevant, intellectual, and interesting since Christ is the Logos Incarnate- that if the orthopraxis of the Church is allowed to be beautiful again through traditional liturgy, art and architecture, that it would be attractive as it is always has been. However, they rejected that this could in any way be a solution.
A gross display. Truly depressing.
Fully compatible with the disposable cup communion  and the "paranauê" dance . http://fratresinunum.com/2013/07/31/nao-se-tratava-de-copo-plastico/ http://fratresinunum.com/2013/07/26/nova-evangelizacao-na-jmj/
Since the next WYD fiasco is going to be held in Krakow, Poland, can we anticipate a more decorous gathering? I certainly would like to see the plans unfold for this. There is the belief there is a bit more appreciation for Tradition in Poland... or are we sadly mistaken about this also?Matt
I try to be tolerant, but when seeing this spectacle I just feel sad and confused.
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