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Fellay speaks: a solution is "far away"

Today, Cantate Sunday, the Superior-General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX/SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, celebrated Mass and delivered a sermon at the main Traditionalist church in France, Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet.

Bishop Fellay mentioned both the possibility of the "liberation of the mass" and "lifting of the excommunications". In both cases he sounds reasonably optimistic, though cautious; he does not mention any specific date.

In that which refers to the intentions of liberating the Ecclesia Dei people [ecclésiadéistes] from the yoke of the bishops, it is known, through the voice of Cardinal Ricard, that the Pope has mentioned it. But, considering the reaction of the bishops of France and of Cardinal Ricard himself, one may believe that this is not for tomorrow.

In that which refers to us, it [a solution] is even farther, much farther.
This is the main point of the sermon, which we will not translate fully for lack of time. Its French original text is available at Le Forum Catholique.

13 comments:

Screwtape said...

Absolutely.

Anyone who has studied the essential issues and understands what's at stake can't expect an "agreement" until the Hell that hath been loosed is bound again.

It will be a VERY long time.

First there's a little matter of a certain consecration of some note.

For all intents and purposes, the former Cardinal Ratzinger might as well have named himself Godot I.

Simon-Peter said...

Yes.
Alas.
A certain consecration.

Terrible as an army in battle array, "only I can help you."

THAT seems pretty exclusive to me...

"Only I, can help you."

I have staked everything on this.

She doesn't lie and only speaks that which is the Will of God.

What can we say? They won't indict themselves. They won't say "sorry" because either they don't think they have messed things up (bizarre) or, that was the plan all along (it's working perfectly).

Ed B said...

For the life of me, I can't imagine why we would care whether they rejoin with us or not. They decided to go a separate way in accordance with their belief and their consciences. Let them be where they choose.

Ed B said...

For the life of me, I can't imagine why we would care whether they rejoin with us or not. They decided to go a separate way in accordance with their belief and their consciences. Let them be where they choose.

Simon-Peter said...

Not being a member of the SSPX, I won't defend them, except to say, given no member of the SSPX is excommunicated by virtue of being a member of the SSPX what is it they are meant to rejoin?

Given the penalty of excommuncation latae sentiae against any catholic who, for instance, denies transubstantiation or condones abortion etc. I think your average local novus ordo parish is full to the brim with those who have "decided to go a separate way in accordance with their belief and their [seared] consciences."

"For the life of me, I can't imagine why we would care whether they rejoin with us or not."

Let me clue you in: I'll accept your premise for the sake of argument, and tell you why, "for the life of" you why you should care...it's called CHARITY and willing their ultimate good.

Let me guess, you don't have the same wicked attitude toward heretic protestants, the synagogue of satan or any other bona fide enemy of Christ and His Church, do you?

Hypocrite.

Ed B said...

Ignoring your calling me a hypocrite, I will inform you that I do indeed have the same attitude. Let those who choose a different path follow it.

Simon-Peter said...

Except, of course, the SSPX have not chosen a different path have they? For they are not outside the Church, are they? And who says this, well, blow me down the Church (or at least those Princes of the Church who have been AUTHORIZED to look into the canonical status of the SSPX).

Thus, by "path" you must mean something like, oh, I don't know, Byznatine rite? Is that what you mean? Or do you mean something else entirely and from whence do you derive your authority?

To conflate the SSPX with heretics or jews is sick.

In anycase, try praying for your "enemies" if enemies they be.

Screwtape said...

Thanks to Simon-Peter for saying all there is to say.

Ed b sounds like your typical Novus Ordo ignoramus. True Catholicism he knows not, manifestly. He couldn't, given where he went through instruction, if he did. RCIA? They have to color their own catechism after they've connected the dots.

What disturbs me is that virtually all the Novus Ordo crowd a), hate Latin; b), ergo, hate the Mass of the Ages; c) refuse to learn, which is really worse than all else because salvation depends upon it; hence, are philosophically illiterate - know not the meaning of "absolute"; which means they do not know God; which means they are idolaters.

And to think I didn't have anything to add.

Don't say it Ed b, it would realy be too too obvious.

For the record: I attend a SSPX Mass after having gone through the Novus Ordo clown ringer and spent five years with the Maronite Rite, which was okay until the priest turned up with a balloon on his nose.

It is my understanding that merely assisting at the Society Mass does not constitute "membership." One must be clergy or belong to one of the SSPX recognized orders.

New Catholic said...

Please, avoid any kind of personal attack in the comment boxes.

Simon-Peter said...

Righto, sorry Ed B. et al.

I didn't mean hypocrite.

I ought to have said something entirely different and more useful.

Hoosier said...

"What disturbs me is that virtually all the Novus Ordo crowd a), hate Latin; b), ergo, hate the Mass of the Ages; c) refuse to learn, which is really worse than all else because salvation depends upon it; hence, are philosophically illiterate - know not the meaning of "absolute"; which means they do not know God; which means they are idolaters."

I have gone to the Traditional Latin Mass for a period of 3 years, and I MUCH prefer it to the Novus Ordo mass. Moreover, I'm convinsed that traditonalists are intellectually correct as to their BASIC premises. And yet, I currently go to a Novus Ordo mass (in Latin, which is the most popular service at our church). Why?

Because one runs into the above much too often.

It is unjust, but to a large extent, we are forced to choose between tradition and authority. Choosing tradition is, I believe, the correct answer, but it is also the unstable answer. (Pray for the contradiction to cease!!!)

The Church that Christ instituted is heirarchical. That's the deal. As a former Protestant, I know very well what happens when we assign ourselves the role of being our own Pope. The above is what happens.

I would be in total sympathy with SSPX but for one thing: it is not enough for them to have total freedom to operate anywhere in the world, and preach the noble cause of tradition: no, BEFORE they start preaching, the WHOLE Church must come into TOTAL conformaty with their views--even concerning prudential decisions! Problem: they are not Pope.

Let's divide Catholics up into two groups: orthodox/serious; heterodox/secular. The former believe that the Chruch is who She claims to be; the latter think Her claims are fraud.

Most Catholics are of the heterodox group--the vast majority of whom attend the Novus Ordo.

As to othrodox/serious Catholics, the vast majority attend the Novus Ordo mass too--even though they like tradition and Latin--for lots of reasons...including that there is no Traditional Latin Mass within driving distance.

When comparing othodox Catholics who attend the Novus Ordo, and orthodox Catholics who attend the TLM, the latter appear to me to have more of a tendency to appear unhinged...to lack charity...

My lonely lot in life is to chide those that attend Novus Ordo masses whenever they attack traditionalist; and to chide traditionalist whenever they attack Novus Ordo goers. But, I must admit, never in my life have I heard a Novus Ordo type slander traditionalists with the inaccuracy displayed in the above comments. And that is not the first time I've heard such slander.

Screwtape said...

HOOSIER:

1) The SSPX does not, repeat, DOES NOT, "have views". Its praxis is solidly predicated upon the Doctrine, Dogma, and Liturgy of the Ages: the purpose of which is to keep them alive and available for all.

2) There is a contradiction between the Novus Ordo and the SSPX, among others. When it comes to contradictions, especially of an essential nature, unless one is intellectually dishonest, one seeks out and chooses the truth rather than argue both ways (unless, of course both ways are wrong: not applicable in this case.) See Aristotle: the principle of non-contradiction.

3) The concern, the position, the actions of the SSPX are exclusively, repeat EXCLUSIVELY,on behalf of the ENTIRE Church, with which they are, as a matter of fact, in complete communion. I highly recommend the audio/video recorded speeches of Bishop Fellay (available from Angelus Press).

4) Do not be mislead by non- or ill-informed members of the Society, of which there are many. I have assisted at SSPX masses for five years and have encountered appalling examples of virtually total incomprehension. Why they are there I know not and they know not. If you have real questions, ask an SSPX priest or bishop, or, better still, read the works of Archibishop Lefebvre, especially his Letter to Confused Catholics - also available from Angelus Press.

5) This is not an advertisement for Angelus Press - it just so happens that the enterprise has pretty well cornered the market on matters related or pertaining to the Society.

Screwtape said...

I published this comment on a previous Post, but it bears repeating because not everybody reads everything.

For the edification of all, and it touches almost every issue addressed by this Blog site, may I recommend the article by Dr. Thomas A Droleskey in the May issue of Catholic Family News, titled "Clothing the Emperor." It goes to the MIND of the present occupant of the Throne of Peter and traces his ideas from the past, through the present, and, one might say, into the future.

Those who are allergic to evidence may wish to take the requisite pill, apply the protective cream/gell, or just ride on by.