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"Latin Mass: The Pope takes his time"

Hervé Yannou, Vatican correspondent for the French national daily Le Figaro, chronicles the story of a difficult document. Excerpts:

[The reassurances given by Cardinal Ricard in his speech to the French bishops] were given him by Benedict XVI, who received him for forty minutes on October 26. "For the moment, nothing has been done at the Vatican." While the newspapers were able to announce the publication of the decree, Cardinal Ricard assured the [news] agency I.Media that it had been only "a suggestion by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos (in charge of the affair of the integrists at the Vatican) as a response to the demands of Bishop Fellay (responsible for the Fraternity of Saint Pius X and leader of the integrists) regarding the liberalization of the Tridentine Rite and the removal of the excommunications."

The Pope assured him that "the work and reflection are still to be done" and that not even the nature of the document had yet been defined. That is, the commotion of the French bishops was due to no more than a project of the Colombian Cardinal, considered as too favorable to the integrists, and to premature reports by the press.

However, in the month of October, the Vatican had informally confirmed the existence of the decree, whose date of publication had not been defined.

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Have the French [bishops] caused Benedict XVI to back down? Cardinals Jean-Marie Lustiger, Jean-Pierre Ricard, and the Archbishop of Paris, André Vingt-Trois... warned the Pope of the ecclesial, doctrinal, and even political consequences of his projects. Benedict XVI had already been informed of those by the cardinals of the Curia. The American Episcopal Conference [USCCB] had already made its uneasiness known. The legal argument which is often put forward is that the Pope would put in jeopardy the prerogatives of the bishops, if he lifted their prior authorization for the celebration according to the ancient rite.

The French [bishops] were thus heard, contrary to [what had happened in] the month of September, in which the Institute of the Good Shepherd, formed by old members of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, had been established unbeknownst to them. Benedict XVI will not give up on his projects, but he takes his time and will listen to the grievances. For their part, the Traditionalists remain determined. The Fraternity of Saint Pius X speaks of "attempts of intimidation by bishops and journalists". As for the leaders of the Institute of the Good Shepherd, they have come to Rome to ask Cardinal Castrillon to ordain their first priests and to obtain a church in the capital of Catholicism.

14 comments:

alsaticus said...

"the commotion of the French bishops was due to no more than a project of the Colombian Cardinal, considered as too favorable to the integrists, and to premature reports by the press."

and what happened to the "Colombian Cardinal" after this "commotion" ? his replacement by a Brazilian Cardinal, although he is staying president of PCED.
It was "only a suggestion by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos" ...
This article is clearly scape-goating card. Castrillon Hoyos, telling in clear what the speech of card. Ricard was implying.

Well if this document, "that not even the nature of" is decided, is made public one day, after being reshaped with the "grievances" of the litnik lobbies in many episcopal conferences, well I guess not a single trad will be happy with it.
Maybe the solution will be more simple : the retirement of the scapegoat "Colombian Cardinal" from PCED, his replacement with say Cardinal Kasper or even better Bp Tod Brown...
Then we will attend the Mass of Requiem of the Ratzingerian pontificate, the usual litnik and neo-modernist lobbies will be triumphant once again.

I hope this awful scenario is not the one Rome is drafting in the coming weeks or days.

Al Trovato said...

As I said before, Cardinal Castrillon was fired, and the document is one step away from the garbage can.

Now it's all going to be blamed on the "dumb" Colombian, who overreached himself.

My only question is: Why did Benedict XVI start all of this? He knew of the opposition, he knew the French reaction would take place, why start something he just had to know he could not finish?

Was this whole thing conceived merely to further humiliate the Traditionalists? To make clear that they are outside of the Church and cannot be brought in?

Cerimoniere said...

I continue not to understand why you take this view, in the light of what we know about the people that we're dealing with.

As we all know, this is a subject of enormous importance, not only to those of us who want freedom for the traditional liturgy, but also those who know that such a thing would be the death-knell for their conception of the Church.

Therefore, it is not surprising that we see our opponents making a lot of noise designed to change the Pope's mind by intimidation. This may include deliberately misrepresenting his intentions and views, and the making of veiled threats.

The Pope can either cede to this or not. So far we have no reason to think that he will cede.

Mr. Trovato, you ask, "...why start something he just had to know he could not finish?" Surely you can't mean it is actually impossible for the Pope to promulgate this document -- not merely impossible, but forseeably impossible to the Pope in advance?

If that were so, of course, he couldn't be blamed for not promulgating it, only for trifling with our hopes. In fact, unless he is under the most severe duress, the Pope can do this, we know that he is seriously considering it, and we can continue reasonably to hope and pray that he will.

Ambrosius said...

Indeed, do we not expect that Card. Ricard would lie, would say anything, in fact, if he believes it would slow down or stop this motu proprio?

Aristotle said...

We should not second guess the Pope until a decision is known. This is all hearsay, and I dare say from not so reliable a source.

sacerdos15 said...

This is as I feared,the longer the Pope holds back from a decision the greater and more hard becomes the opposition.He knows better.After Pope JPII surveyed the wolrd's bishops about the acceptance of the reformed liturgy he asked one more question:whether the TLM should be allowed.The response was overwhelmingly negative except in eastern europe and some part of Africa. So he issued the 84 indult with very restrictive conditions.Nevertheless bishops complained and Archbishop Weakland said the Pope had destroyed the liturgical revival in the church.The illicit consecration of bishops and the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebevre gave the Pope his chance to broaden the indult.Thus came the 88indult which the Pope urged tobe applied generously.He established the FSSP and later the ICX and then other tradional croups of priests and nuns.Then came the regularization of the Campos traditionalists.JP attempted a univresal indult but word leaked out and the french,belgium,english,germanetc bishops' conferences descended on Rome urging the Pope not to issue it and warning of schisms on the left if he did.He did not issue it although he told Alice vonHidebrand that it was "on his desk" and would be issued when the time was more appropriate.Benedict knows all this because he was there and part of it so why would hemake thesame mistakes as JP did.He could learn from JP too.When noone is expecting it issue it like the 84 indult or take advantage of some event and issue it like the 88 indult.And name some traditional bishops who will back you not fight against you.

alsaticus said...

"This is as I feared,the longer the Pope holds back from a decision the greater and more hard becomes the opposition"

It is obvious. Especially when everybody knows how it works from previous attempts.
Theologians and clergy in general, nowadays, are quick to forget recent history.
Maybe the Roman atmosphere is responsible of this collective loss of memory ?
It was said from the French aristocrats coming back from exile after the French Revolution, in particular of Charles X, "they have forgotten nothing (from the pre-Revolution era), they haven't learnt anything (from the Revolution era)".

Some should learn quick from the Church revolution era we have been living since 40 years at least.

poeta said...
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poeta said...

This statement issued earlier today by Una Voce:

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There is, currently, much speculation and comment in the media about a document from Rome that is said would grant much greater freedom for the celebration of the Holy Mass according to the traditional Roman Rite (Liturgical Books of 1962); a Liturgy that has never been abrogated. Although the content of the said document is not yet known, some people are making critical public comments and are indicating their displeasure in newspapers, magazines, and via the internet.

It is quite distressing to many of the laity to note that most of this adverse comment is coming from clerics and religious whose prime concern should be one of obedience, leadership, and the care of souls. It is equally distressing that these adverse opinions are being expressed seemingly without any consultation with, or regard for the welfare of, their flocks.

Our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI has been elected to the Chair of Peter to govern the Church and we should support him continually with our prayers and humble loyalty especially in these difficult times. The International Federation Una Voce, a federation of lay associations worldwide, on behalf of its members wishes to express its faithful and loyal support to our Holy Father and assure the Successor of St. Peter of our prayers.

Mr. J.P. Oostveen - President, FIUV

MacK said...

The longer The Holy Father tarries the more he is able to calculate how strong the seismograph of the progressivist camp is reacting. Ricard may be an unwitting Richter Scale for The Vatican.

Thus, a strong front of opposition may mean no motu proprio or a seriously deformed one. Certainly, it will leave this pontificate in a limbo of its own making.

poeta said...

Will it perhaps take some outrage committed by a bishop against the traditional faithful, on the scale of Sodano's "let's replace Ruini" memo last February, to precipitate the Holy Father's action?

Jeff said...

Oh, Al, Al, Al.

There will be a document. It may be next month. It may be in six months. It may be in a year. But there will be a document greatly liberalizing the use of the old Mass.

There aren't too many people in the world who understand what listening to people means. Joseph Ratzinger is one of them. He neither yields to pressure nor identifies his own will and ideas with the will of God.

When he was at CDF, he listened and delayed things in order to make sure everyone was heard. And then he would issue his document. The documents usually satisfied--MORE than satisfied--orthodox Catholics. Still, changes were often made in approach or wording that made it possible for large numbers to come along.

In order for the Pope to "change his mind," he would have to be convinced of two things by the bishops. First, that there is no INJUSTICE involved in denying Catholics free (or nearly free) access to the traditional liturgy. Second, that more would be gained in terms of healing the breach between many Traditionalists and the hierarchical Church by WAITING yet more and doing nothing concrete.

Can you imagine any way of making even a CASE for either of those things? I can't.

The Pope will take the problems (genuine and imaginary) that the bishops feel (honestly or not) that they face and try to address them, through explanation or suggestion or perhaps minor modifications. He may give them time to get used to the idea that there will be changes and that they can live with them. But when he feels the time is right for the final decision, he will make it, following his usual pattern. And he will make a good decision.

This Pope is a master of PERSUASION. That's how he managed to get where he is today.

There will be a document.

Anonymous said...

As usual the leftist revisionists that accomplished the coup de tete both at the Vatican council and for 40 yrs after that PASTORAL council, namely the reactionary bishops & clerics of northern Europe, France Belgium, Holland and Germany are again rearing their heads and showing their colours at the prospect of the Ancient Classic Liturgy being universally restored and permitted WITHOUT their express and meagre permission. Please bear in mind the Tridentine liturgy was for all intent and perpose made illigal contrary to the Spirit of the Universal church in that the Classic Liturgy was in perpetuity protected by the Papal Bull "Quo Primum". NO bishop priest or Pope can so suppress the Real Liturgy of the Latin Rite Catholic Church, but in fact with the banal and brutally enforced Pauline aka Novus Ordo Missae the Classic latin liturgy was and is being suppressed. The Leftist rebellion in the church was a long time in coming and well organized by anti Catholic Catholics and with more that enough help spiritually and financially from international freemasonry. People, just what are the fruits of the post vatican 2 church, homosexual/heterosexual pedophilia on a global bases, priest defrauding their parishes, heterodox novus ordo masses a percieved CONCILIAR church that in reality is Patriaral not conciliar, millions of people leaving the church because of the revisionist liturgy and ecclessial and priestly abuses and the list go's on and on and on and on.The Orthodox movement in the Church is growing fast internationally and millions especially Young Catholics are moving with their feet and hearts back to the Latin (Tridentine litury) and sperning the heterodox bishops that thanks to God will be anserable to him on judgement day for their gutting and protestantizing of the Catholic Church Shalom/Pacem

Anonymous said...

THE REACTIONARY FRENCH & US LEFTIST AKA "USEFUL LIBERAL IDIOTS" BY THE INTERNATIONAL MARXISTS AND OTHER SOCIALISTS IN THEIR KNEEJERK MEDIA OUTLETS VIS A VIS NEWSPAPERS AND ELECTRONIC MEDIA EMPIRES SUCH AS CNN (CLINTON NEWS NETWORK) AND OTHER SECULAR OUTLETS LIKE THE FASCIST NEW YORK TIMES COMES TO MIND HAVE BADMOUTHED AND HATEMONGERED THE HEAD OF A RELIGION OF 1.7 BILLION PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. AND WHY, BECAUSE HE HAS FINALLY LIBERATED THE LATIN MASS (TRIDENTINE) AFTER FORTY YRS OF ILLEGAL SUPPRESSION.CRAP LIKE ANTI-SEMETIC, MEDIEVAL ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC HAVE BEEN LEVELLED BY THESE REACTIONARIES AND ARE SUPPORTED BY A SMALL COTERIE OF DISSIDENT LIBERAL CATHOLIC CLERICS AND LAITY.FACTS ARE FACT LITERALLY MILLIONS ARE DEMANDING THE RETURN OF THE 1700 YR OLD LITURGY AND THE VAST MAJORITY WORLDWIDE ARE BETWEEN 15 & 50. IT TOOK 40 YEARS SINCE VATICAN 2 TO SCREW UP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE RETURN TO ORTHODOXY FROM HETERODOXY WILL TAKE TIME AND TIME IS ON THE SIDE OF TRADITIONALIST-PROGRESSIVE-ORTHODOXY.