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"Four Volumes"...

From the beginning of today's article on other reactions to the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum in semi-official daily of the French episcopate, La Croix:
"...the workers of the Vatican Publishing House: they will officially reprint - a true symbol - the four volumes of the edition of the Tridentine Missal, revised by John XXIII in 1962! [sic]"

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15 comments:

Demerzel said...

Hmm... wonder if they would end up being cheaper than the Novus Ordo ones.

GD said...

Would it not be more likely that the error is simply that 'Missal' was put for 'Breviary'?

Anonymous said...

It would seem unlikely that they meant 'Breviary,' since it was not revised in 1962 but in 1960.

Iosephus said...

If it is news about the Breviary, I know many who will be excited

New Catholic said...

I second the last anonymous.

With "the four volumes...of the ... Missal", I gather they mean, at least, the Missale Romanum, the Breviarium Romanum, the Pontificale Romanum, and the Rituale Romanum, in the last revised edition of each (as they stood in 1962).

Or maybe Mme. de Gaulmyn, Rome correspondent for La Croix, simply misunderstood her LEV source...

Brian Crane said...

For my part, I have ordered a used copy of the 1964 Collectio Rituum, which so far as I can tell contained the Blessings from the Rituale last revised in 1959, with a facing vernacular translation that was approved for use by the US Bishops in 1964. Loreto Publications is also reprinting these, but at very exhorbitant prices. One would hope that prices for pre-Conciliar things will now decrease, since demand is surely increasing, but unfortunately many religious goods companies seem to be more and more profit-driven these days.

Christopher Sarsfield said...

Mr. Crane,

Loreto Publications is distributing these volumes for Preserving Christians Publications, they did not publish them. Also I unfortunately know what the cost of printing was, and the "exorbitant" price reflects this and not the motive for profit. If demand were to increase, prices would come down, but you are referring to a a set of books that will sell less than 1000 copies in a year (probably closer to 500).

Jeff Culbreath said...

Gentlemen:

Not to be pedantic (OK, this is pedantic), but when demand increases, prices go up, unless there is a disproportionate increase in supply as a result. Peace.

Christopher Sarsfield said...

Dear Mr. Culbearth,

In printing it much cheaper to print 100,000 copies of a book, rather than 500. Demand only increases prices if supply is fixed. Supply of books is not fixed, because many more can be printed. Most Catholic publishers base their price of books on cost of production, not on their ability to gouge the public.

Jeff Culbreath said...

"In printing it much cheaper to print 100,000 copies of a book, rather than 500. Demand only increases prices if supply is fixed."

As a former printer myself, I heartily concur. Nevertheless the point remains: it is the increase in supply, not demand, that reduces costs and thereby lowers prices. An increase in demand does NOT guarantee a proportionate increase in supply. Peace. :-)

Jeff Culbreath said...

In my last comment, strike the word "proportionate" and replace with "corresponding".

Anonymous said...

Well, it looks as if the books won't be needed in Pittsburgh:

To: Priests
From: Father Lawrence A. DiNardo, V.E., Vicar for Canonical Services Father Edward L. Yuhas, Director, Department for Worship
Date: July 7, 2007
Re: Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum

Today at noon at the Vatican Our Holy Father issued an Apostolic Letter in the form of a Motu Proprio entitled Summorum Pontificium on the use of the Roman liturgy prior to the reform of 1970. The Holy Father states that the document is the fruit of much reflection, numerous consultations and prayer. In order that you might be able to respond to questions that might arise concerning the specifics of the document, the following points of information are presented to assist you in your ministry.

• The Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI is to be regarded as the ordinary expression of the law of prayer of the Catholic Church of the Latin Rite. The Roman Missal promulgated by Saint Pius V and published again by Pope Blessed John XXIII in 1962 is to be considered the extraordinary expression of the law of prayer. The two expressions of the law of prayer of the Church in no way lead to a division in the law of prayer of the Church, for they are two uses of the one Roman Rite.

• In Masses celebrated without people, any priest of the Latin Rite, whether secular or religious, can use the Roman Missal published by Pope Blessed John XXIII in 1962 or the Roman Missal promulgated by the Supreme Pontiff Paul VI in 1970, on any day, except in the Sacred Triduum. For celebration in accordance with one or the other Missal, a priest does not require permission, neither of the Apostolic See nor by the Diocesan Bishop. The faithful, who spontaneously request it, may be admitted to this celebration. It is important to note that the celebration of the Roman Missal of Pope Blessed John XXIII is not permitted at regularly scheduled weekday or Sunday.

• In parishes where a group of faithful attached to the previous liturgical tradition exists stably, pastors are exhorted to willingly allow public Masses for the people using the Roman Missal of Pope Blessed John XXIII but no more that one per Sunday and feast days. The celebration of baptism, penance, anointing of the sick, weddings and funerals in the older rite is permitted in these parishes. In our diocese, the only parish that qualifies under this norm is Holy Wisdom Parish (Saint Boniface Church) located on the Northside of Pittsburgh. Since 1989 the Diocese of Pittsburgh has approved the celebration of the Roman Missal of Pope Blessed John XXIII of 1962. This extraordinary expression of the law of prayer of the Catholic Church is celebrated on Sundays and holydays of obligation at Saint Boniface Church (Holy Wisdom Parish). In addition, the diocese has permitted at Saint Boniface Church the celebration of baptism, penance, weddings and funerals according the rites of 1962 and has granted permission for the celebration of the Roman Missal of Pope Blessed John XXIII on other special occasions. Finally, the celebration of the Triduum using the 1962 Roman Missal has also been permitted at Saint Boniface Church. The newly promulgated Motu Proprio becomes effective on September 14, 2007, the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross. The full text and translation will be sent to you in the near future. Until the effective date of the Motu Proprio and until there is further direction from the diocese, there may not be any change in the present practice regarding the Roman Missal of Pope Blessed John XXIII.

Anonymous said...

"It is important to note that the celebration of the Roman Missal of Pope Blessed John XXIII is not permitted at regularly scheduled weekday or Sunday. "

That's a BOLD-FACED LIE. It is permitted and it says so in the Motu Proprio.

Anonymous said...

This is the same thing we're hearing from many bishops offices--they think nothing will change.

Let's give them a shock, shall we? Find a priest who wants to say the JOhnine missal. I'm going to.

Margaret said...

Since it was commenting on the article dealing with private Masses, maybe he meant you can't replace a regularly scheduled new rite Mass with a private Mass? It is poorly worded, however.

Is anyone else getting as tired as I am of reading over and over how the motu proprio supposedly forbids the 1962 Missal during the Paschal Triduum? Don't any of these people know how to read?