Rorate Caeli

No concessions to the spirit of this world



It is above all necessary that we become "experts" in listening to God, and credible examples of a holiness which is translated into faithfulness to the Gospel without concessions to the spirit of the world. As Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, zealous Pastor of this Archdiocese for several decades, and now buried in your Cathedral, "religious life moves around God, and offers everything before God, and therefore becomes a testimony of God and an appeal from God" (August 15, 1953).

At the end of the meeting, the Pope prayed before the burial place of Cardinal Giuseppe Siri (in the picture, Cardinal Siri in 1958).

23 comments:

Dr. Herbert R. said...

I think that our pastors have the great rsponsibility of setting the correct pastoral note. The faithful always follow the pastor. if the pastors are good then the greater number of the faithful follow on. But the sad part is that a some of our seminaries are influenced by modernist ideas. Too much scientific speculation, less of spirituality and Scriptures, the result is bad education. Poor seminary training is indeed disastrous to the health and welfare of the Church. Its time to review our seminary programs. Why so many subjects in sociology and psychology? Priests are not suppose to be psychiatrists. They are suppose to be pastors, able to explain and teach the Word of God above all else, a Minister of the Sacraments, and lastly a good administrator. Spirituality is superior to administrative capabilities. Hence spirituality should be the foundation of it all. Lets pray hard.

Anonymous said...

"Spirituality is superior to administrative capabilities."

Administration which does not flow from solid spirituality will be innefective.

NO CONCESSIONS TO THE SPIRIT OF THIS WORLD! AMEN.

This should be the pastoral programm of ANY bishop and priest in the Catholic Church. And this is not the present case. That is the only way to effective and lasting administration practices.

Cardinal Siri, pray for the Catholic Church, for the pope and the college of Bishops, so that they me obedient to Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Cardinal Siri, pray for the Catholic Church, for the pope and the college of Bishops, so that they be obedient to Jesus Christ.

Christian said...

Cardinal Siri, pray for us!

Joe Frances said...

What was the final take on Cardinal Siri's place in conclaves? My recollection is that he was one of the papabili in at least one if not two conclaves,

Anonymous said...

is humour forbidden in these comments boxes?

New Catholic said...

Not at all.

LeonG said...

In view of the fact that one of The Vatican's chief spokesmen for science assures us that aliens are our brothers in Christ, my fourth child asked me the other day why aliens do not drink tea out of cups.

His answer when I had none was that aliens only have flying saucers.

Solange said...

CONTROVERSIES OVER CONDUCT OF CATHOLIC MASS REMAIN

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Anonymous said...

There have been many times when my children have made me laugh!

God bless your little one, Leong.

Anonymous said...

But the sad part is that a some of our seminaries are influenced by modernist ideas. Too much scientific speculation, less of spirituality and Scriptures, the result is bad education. Poor seminary training is indeed disastrous to the health and welfare of the Church. Its time to review our seminary programs. Why so many subjects in sociology and psychology? Priests are not suppose to be psychiatrists."


I had to paste this quote from Dr. Herbert R. because it is so true.

Our seminaries in the USA and elsewhere started going bad immediatly after Vatican II. This should come as no surprise, because so many false teachings, dissenting opinions, ecumenical excesses, and outright heresy have pervaded the Church since Vatican II. So Vatican II is the root cause of the disasters in our seminaries.

The reason why so much psycology etc. was put in seminaries, it that instead of being models of holiness leading souls to God, after Vatican II priests were supposed to be councilors, advisers, and even neighborhood "pals", able to guide people thru every issue. This is the same kind of formation Protestant pastors get. Since Protestantism has so very little theology of note, they get large helpings of pscycology etc. to help them bond with their faithful and develope that "warm and cozy" relationship.
Catholic apologetics, scholastic philosophy and theology, Catholic disipline and traditions all have given way to almost the same type formation Protestant pastors recieve. There is also a very big helping of dissenting theology offered too.
No wonder why there are so few priests, and so few seminarians.
Too bad Pope Benedict XVI did not commment on the shocking losses and abysmal training USA seminaries are giving young candidates today.

Anonymous said...

"Its time to review our seminary programs. Why so many subjects in sociology and psychology? Priests are not suppose to be psychiatrists.""


Yes, Yes, Yes, this is so true. The Church has been forming sociologists and psychiatrists instead of soul pastors. Yes, the whole clergy and religious formation system needs to be revamped from head to toes. It is there where the devil resides.

Anonymous said...

And not only that, sociology and psichology have entered into the principles of the liturgy and theology.

Joe B said...

No concessions to the spirit of this world? That's what the whole Second Vatican Council was - a concession to the spirit of this world!

These are empty words. There's no repudiation of that council, so there's no gain here.

Question said...

Does the "Sirian Catholic Church" in Texas still exist? Are the accusations made that he was elected Pope and then the election was declared null credible?

LeonG said...

"And not only that, sociology and psi[y]chology have entered into the principles of the liturgy and theology.'

This is why we need more convicted Roman Catholics in the social sciences to restore the subjects to The Roman Catholic paradigm. Otherwise they are dominated by evolutionists, liberals, Marxists and feminists. Secular materio-centric postmodernism has the upper hand at present alongside Husserl's phenomenological relativist thinking. These are areas that should not be left to such people who have enormous influence over the education systems in the West. Another problem is that there are modernist catholics whose views are almost identical to their atheistic counterparts.

Imprimatur33 said...

"If the Church were not divine, this Council (Vatican II) would have buried her."
Giuseppe Cardinal Siri, Statement, apud Lucio Brunelli, "Todos os segredos de un quase Papa," 30 Dias, September 1993, p. 50.

Anonymous said...

"If the Church were not divine, this Council (Vatican II) would have buried her."

I think that Vatican II was an avalanche,and the Church has been gravely beaten by it.

Jordanes said...

There's no repudiation of that council, so there's no gain here.

There will never be a “repudiation” of Vatican II. For all the weaknesses of its various documents, and for all the harm that was unleashed during and after the Council, the Vicar of Christ lacks the authority to repudiate valid oecumenical councils. All he can do is interpret the Council in the light of Catholic tradition and the deposit of faith, and issue qualifying statements and decrees that move us on from the pastoral concerns of the mid-20th century into those of the present and future.

Does the "Sirian Catholic Church" in Texas still exist?

I’m not sure, but I think so.

Are the accusations made that he was elected Pope and then the election was declared null credible?

No. It’s nothing more than an unfalsifiable conspiracy theory, and a heretical departure from orthodox Catholic ecclesiology.

Anonymous said...

"the Vicar of Christ lacks the authority to repudiate valid oecumenical councils"

Yes, it is a valid council but the council did not define anything so it can abandoned.

Jordanes said...

Yes, it is a valid council but the council did not define anything so it can abandoned.

Prior to the 1400s, did the Church have the liberty to choose a new biblical canon just because the canon was not defined until Florence and Trent?

Such a minimalist approach to the Church's Magisterium is not Catholic. Councils need not issue dogmatic definitions to be binding and authoritative, nor to teach infallibly. Vatican II can never be "abandoned" or "repudiated," only interpreted and, eventually, superseded.

Anonymous said...

"Vatican II can never be "abandoned" or "repudiated," only interpreted and, eventually, superseded."

Superseded? by what? Vatican III?

Vatican II can at least be ignored. There is nothing in the pastoral decrees which is an inherent element of Holy Tradition. Vatican II has just being a hiatus in the history of the Church.

Anonymous said...

"Vatican II has just been a hiatus in the history of the Church." AMEN.