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You report: New TLM in the Diocese of Dodge City

From a reader:

There is now a twice-weekly traditional Latin Mass in the Diocese of Dodge City, Kansas. Retired Benedictine Father Rene Guesnier, OSB, has moved to his hometown parish, St. Francis Xavier parish of Seward, and offers the TLM (Low Mass) Sundays at 11 am, and Mondays at 8:30 am. He also offers Novus Ordo Masses at the same parish.
The church is located at 8th and Lincoln in Seward, Stafford County, south of Great Bend and east of Larned.
This diocese had previously been lacking even a single regular TLM.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

A TLM will be celebrated this 16 in Mar del Plata, Argentina.
The Church is "Divino Rostro" , in streets Almafuerte and Sarmiento

Anonymous said...

Now this is EXCELLENT news, unlike the bogus news from Fr. Brundage. It is inded the case that Dodge City has held out entirely until now. I note that the Diocese of Salina is now moving towards implementation of S.P.

Would the informant here please contact me with the details at pkperkins@telus.net ? I assist Mr. Schwalm in listing all these Masses for the U.S.A. and Canada. I will want to forward the details to him as soon as possible for listing.

Mar del Plata? That's an important Argentine site. Let's hope for something permanent there soon.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

It is not quite true that the Diocese of Dodge City has held out. Prior to Fr. Rene Guesnier celebrating Mass in Seward, KS another priest had been offering the TLM mondays and tuesday at SS. Peter & Paul, North Ellinwood, KS on a regular basis (site of Fr. Leontiev, F.SS.P's solemn High Mass four years ago!)when he had gone home to visit his mother over a year ago. Unfortunately, the church is no longer a canonical parish and thereby requires permission of the local Ordinary to offer any Mass there. Permission was given for the TLM on the occasion of the Feast of SS. Peter & Paul last June with Dr. John Rickert, F.SS.P giving the sermon and Fr. P. Klein celebrant. The formal request to offer the TLM at the historic church of SS. Peter & Paul had not yet been given! Nevertheless,the TLM mass is offered on 1st Sat. in Hugoton, KS and depending on circumstances, offered once during the week. Fortunately, Fr. Rene provides the consistent offering of the TLM every week.

Anonymous said...

Wonderful news that the mass of ages is growing throughout Kansas.

I hear the Diocese of Salina is foot dragging though.

The TLM is celebrated in the Wichita Diocese at St. Anthony Parish every Sunday and some Holydays.

Anonymous said...

Dear bloggers. The celebrant of this Mass would like to include an explanation, and I have agreed to post it for him. Here it is: P.K.T.P.

After Summorum Pontificum the Diocese of Dodge City
received some calls as to where the Traditional Mass was
being offered. There were none at the time and I was contacted as maybe being able to help make this available.
I was interested but had to relearn many of the rubrics. At
the time Fr. Paschal Klein was making the Mass available
a couple of days a week at St. Peter and Paul in North
Ellinwood, Ks. He had quite a few attending but was only
there for a short time and the church had been closed. It
is a beautiful church. Fr. Klein prayed the Mass beautifully.

After he was moved "out West" he offered the Traditional Mass on certain solemnities. Anyhow, he was a great help
to me and helped me get started with some instruction
books. With his help and encouragement I began to relearn
the Mass I used to say in my youth. I finally got it down pretty good and trained a wonderful 11yr old to be my server.
He is a wonderful young man and serves beautifully.
Dr. John Rickert, my 2nd Cousin, helped me a great deal
with my questions. He is now a Transitional Deacon with
the Fraternity of St. Peter.

I did not start right away because the bishop did not want
me to remove the temporary altar that stood between the
old high altar and the people. Bishop Gilmore was always most gracious
in allowing me to offer all Masses ad orientem and TLM on
Sundays and a couple of days during the week. I found it
bothersome to me to offer Mass at the old high altar with
that temporary altar between the people and me. With the bishop's permission he allowed me to have the sanctuary
restructered d to accomodate a new marble altar which is
free standing. Bishop Gilmore blessed the altar on 21 June.
I offered Mass at the old high altar during the interim.

A nephew who is an architect drew up the restructuring
plans and did all the carpenter work. He worked with
Duncan Stroik, the head architect at Notre Dame. Their
input was invaluable and was all donated "ad majorem gloriam Dei."

I began offering TLM on 11 October of last year and
haven't missed one since. We have betwen 10 and 20 people every Sunday. We only have about 25 families in
the whole parish. I am the pastor.

I just wanted to clarify that the Diocese of Dodge City was never a holdout. Bishop Gilmore has been most accomodating all the way through. He has even asked me
to help him "relearn" the old Latin Mass so he can offer it
himself. He never forbid me to offer Mass at the old high altar. He just didn't want a free standing altar removed.
Obedience trumps all. And the new marble altar crafted
in Europe is beautiful to behold. It just took me some time
to get everything in place. Gradually things will, I believe, get better. We have so few priests.

Thanks and God's blessing.--Fr. Rene Guesnier, O.S.B.

Anonymous said...

I would just like to add to Fr. Guersnier's comments that it was I, in fact, who described the Diocese of Dodge City as a 'hold-out'. But, by this, I did not mean to imply that the Bishop was obstructive, only that it is one of the later dioceses in the U.S.A. to attain every-Sunday Traditional Latin Masses. In fact, my assumption had not been obstruction on the part of its Bishop but merely its low population, scattered over a large area.

Generally-speaking, low Catholic populations and episcopal obstruction are the two leading causes of a lack of provision of the T.L.M.; that is, either there is little demand or few resources to justify such a Mass or else there are political reasons for forbidding it. For example, in France, I assume the former cause in the underpopoulated dioceses of la France profounde (e.g. Viviers, Mende, Digne) but the latter cause--episcopal obstruction--in the populous sees of the north-east(e.g. Reims, Cambrai, Soissons).

As Father explains, however, really neither of these factors was the cause of the delay. Thank you, Fr. Guesnier, for clarifying the matter.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

On the Diocese of Dodge City not being really late: I consider the normal provision of Mass to be the every-Sunday basis and not other bases.

On the Diocese of Salina: I have spoken directly to the Parish secretary where the Mass is said. I don't think that they are foot-dragging but it may be that available priests are scarce for a more frequent celebration. The Bishop of Salina is very supportive and has learnt the old Mass himself.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Bishop Coakley of salina was a student of the Great Books program of the late Dr. John Senior. He should be championing the ExtraOrdinary (Gregorian) Rite since it was that mass that inspired those Great Books of western Civilization

Anonymous said...

In my penultimate message, of course, I meant 'la France profonde'. Spelling errors in English look like the typos they are; when made in French, they look like ignorance, so the mistake causes some shock when I read over it afgter re-posting.

P.K.T.P.

David T. Penn said...

I live in Victoria, 1.5 hours away. I will gladly make the trip this weekend if this schedule for St Francis Xavier in Seward holds firm. Any updates? This is the closest TLM yet - God bless!