Rorate Caeli

Thank you, Cardinal Danneels - 2

Flemish daily De Standaard has a curious article (in Dutch) on the search led by police authorities in the crypt of the great Cathedral of the Primate of the Low Countries, Sint-Romboutskathedraal, in Mechlin, Flanders (which would be comic, if not for the tragic circumstances which led to the search).

The Cathedral guide himself did not think there was much of a desecration of the crypt. Two tiny holes were drilled and two small cameras were inserted in the crypt, in which the remains of Council leader Cardinal Suenens are buried. Nothing of interest was found, so the crypt was left otherwise untouched.

Then, the investigators turned to the tomb of Cardinal Mercier (the Ecumenist), also in Saint Rumbold's, which seemed to have had some recent works done to it. It was so tightly shut that they were not able to find any way to verify if there was anything of interest in it, and left it alone.

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

Cardinal Mercier was a liberal I think, I'm sorry to offend pious ears, but I'm afraid that he would be no friend to Roman Catholic traditionalists if he were alive today.

New Catholic said...

True enough. Your point is?...

New Catholic said...

Let me add that I am not at all outraged by what took place in Brussels and in Mechlin.

The Belgian hierarchy reaped what it sowed, for decades and decades, long before the Council, and I only feel sad for Archbishop Léonard. Yet even if this is unjust towards him, it still is a humbling experience, and that is never completely bad.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 12:57
about cardinal Mercier who died in ... 1926.

To say that he was "liberal" is pretty curious for the great supporter of neo-thomism in XIXth Belgium.

The talks of Malines he encouraged were very far from the Kasperite empty dialogue and the High Church Anglicans of that time were closer to T.A.C. today than whom a blogger called "the archdruid Williams".

My feeling is that cardinal Mercier would hardly recognized the present truly liberal and neo-modernist BelgChurch... so I won't bet that he "would be no friend to R.C. traditionalists today". He would be raving with "Anglicanorum coetibus" !

nb. according to other sources, the tombs investigated were those of cardinals Suenens and Van Roey but not Mercier.

Ponte said...

I don't understand. Why are the police messing around with tombs in the Cathedral crypt?

LeonG said...

I agree with your position New Catholic.

Moreover, this liberal modernist regime needs to be thoroughly investigated by the criminal investigation process since it has been deeply involved in illegal activities including complicity and attempting to pervert the course of justice. This has become systemic behaviour for which there is more than ample evidence now. As the church will not put its own house in order effectively then we must rely on secular processes.

The fact that Daneels is implicated illustrates once more that this genre of criminal activity goes right to the very summit of the church hierarchy.

New Catholic said...

Ponte,

that was because the Police received some information that some files had apparently been hidden in the crypt and tombs inside the Cathedral.

Last anonymous,

De Standaard is a much more credible source, since their reporters actually went to the Cathedral and spoke to people there. As mentioned in the post, the Police verified the space inside one crypt (where Suenens and Van Roey are buried), but could not open Mercier's tomb, which is elsewhere in the building.

LeonG said...

Events in Los Angeles with Mahoney are another demonstration of a NO church that has become absolutely disorientated. Its appalling state is terminal, thankfully.

Prof. Basto said...

I agree with you, New Catholic.

And, in my opinion, the reaction of the Holy See (the issue of a communiqué to the press condemning the search in the crypt and the summons of the Belgian Ambassador to hear the protest of the Secretariat of State) was a mistake.

Anonymous said...

"The fact that Daneels is implicated illustrates once more that this genre of criminal activity goes right to the very summit of the church hierarchy"

The "very summit" of the church hierarchy is the Holy Father. Perhaps one day we will hear Our Lady's explanation of the crisis and no longer have to speculate what "Top" (or "Summit" ) means.

"In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."

Is it a Catholic perspective to consider a Cardinal at the top, or summit, of the hierarchy? Surely, the Holy Father is the top. The Holy Father is the summit -- which makes for a much more uncomfortable climb.

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with their tombs being examined. Charles II rightly had the remains of Cromwell dug up beheaded and burnt!

Anonymous said...

"Then, the investigators turned to the tomb of Cardinal Mercier (the Ecumenist), also in Saint Rumbold's, which seemed to have had some recent works done to it. It was so tightly shut that they were not able to find any way to verify if there was anything of interest in it, and left it alone."

It doesn't make sense they would abandon the search of a crypt with evidence of recent work so quickly. Especially if it is unusually tightly sealed.

BTW -- what type of files are allegedly hidden in the crypts?

Anonymous said...

""In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."

Is it a Catholic perspective to consider a Cardinal at the top, or summit, of the hierarchy? Surely, the Holy Father is the top. The Holy Father is the summit -- which makes for a much more uncomfortable climb."

"Top" can be absolute (in the case of the Church, the Holy Father), or it could be relative (near the top -- in which the Cardinals would fit).

Jordanes said...

"In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."

There is no such prophecy anywhere in the text of the Third Secret.

Tim said...

I don't think Card. Mercier's tomb is in the crypt at all. If I recall correctly, it is in a chapel in the north aisle of the Cathedral. The Vatican press release referred to the tombs of Cardinals Van Roey and Suenens. Cardinal Mercier was highly regarded in Belgium for his role during WWI, although sometimes he was thought of as anti-Flemish. But a liberal?? Appointed by St Pius X? You're not thinking of Suenens by any chance?

C. said...

Hiding incriminating papers in tombs doesn't sound particularly reasonable. If it incriminated you, you wouldn't hide it, you would destroy it. If it incriminated another, and you wanted to use it to your advantage, there are more accessible places to hide it so that it could be retrieved later.

This "hidden evidence sealed in a Cardinal's tomb" story sounds like something out of the Da Vinci Code or the man who calls himself Geraldo Rivera. It is a prima facie cause to suspect police overreach. And it will taint the case they are trying to build.

New Catholic said...

Yes, Tim, I think it is clear (to those who do not know St. Rumbold's) from the post that the tomb of Cardinal Mercier is elsewhere inside the Cathedral, as De Standaard's article also makes clear. The Police were able to verify what was inside the crypt, not what was inside Mercier's tomb.

Anonymous said...

In regard to Bruges:

There are two dioceses in Belgium that do not have every-Sunday T.L.M.s. One is Ghent. Can anyone guess what the other one is? It is Bruges. The former Bishop took liberties with his nephew but would not liberate the one good thing he had: the Mass of the Ages.

The Flemish part of Belgium has been esp. resistant to a restoration: Antwerp, a major city, got the Mass restored long after the other Belgian dioceses did. Only Hasselt, among the purely Flemish sees, got it early on. Tournai, Liège and also Namur: Walloon and with the real thing from early on. Tournai is an esp. important place since Tintin came from there.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

"There is no such prophecy anywhere in the text of the Third Secret"

The statement regarding apostasy beginning at the top was spoken by Cardinal Ciappi who read the third secret (that is, Our Lady's explanation of the recently revealed vision). Does Cardinal Ciappi mean the relative top or the top top?

Danneels (the relative top) held a top position from 1979 to 2010. He was elevated (by the absolute top) to the cardinalate in 1983. For approximately 30 years the absolute top permitted the relative top to oversee other "top men".

To say that Danneels is the summit is to ignore the reality of the situation.

Jordanes said...

The statement regarding apostasy beginning at the top was spoken by Cardinal Ciappi who read the third secret (that is, Our Lady's explanation of the recently revealed vision). Does Cardinal Ciappi mean the relative top or the top top?

And more, was his interpretation of the Third Secret correct?

ToS said...

The third secret hasn't even been fully revealed, so who knows what it says. There are a few prelates who have read it and have relayed a similar message about a crisis of faith. Hmm

Anonymous said...

"And more, was his interpretation of the Third Secret correct?"

The current evidence regarding Fatima makes it pretty clear that the accompanying explanation of the vision has not been disclosed.

Since we have all read the vision, it is pretty clear that Cardinal Ciappi's comment would make no sense if it applied to the vision. It is to Our Lady's explanation that his comment referred.

Visions need interpretations ... explanations do not. That is probably why Our Lady offered an explanation, in her own words, for the first two parts of her message. It is hard to believe that she would leave the most significant part of the message unexplained.

Danneels is only a symptom of the disease. Our Lady of Fatima is the cure.

Jordanes said...

The third secret hasn't even been fully revealed,

Or so some believe. The arguments and evidence in support of that beliefs are far from conclusive, however.

The current evidence regarding Fatima makes it pretty clear that the accompanying explanation of the vision has not been disclosed.

Assuming there ever was an accompanying explanation. It's hardly clear that there was or is one.

Since we have all read the vision, it is pretty clear that Cardinal Ciappi's comment would make no sense if it applied to the vision.

That's not clear at all. For all we know, his comments are an interpretation of the vision -- how authentic or authoritative an interpretation would be for the Church to say. If Cardinal Ciappi's comment is not a correct or sensible interpretation of the vision, why would that interpretation be any more correct if we were to read it in a suppositious, as-yet-undisclosed explanatory text?

Anonymous said...

This is the end of the Catholic Church as we have known it. What comes after this is not a return to any kind of past...

Anonymous said...

Even the Pope is changing his tune on Fatima - before he said Fatima was for the past, it was done. Now he says it is not finished.

Gillibrand said...

Cardinal Mercier did support the definition of Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces. Don't think that would have helped ecumenism.

Gillibrand said...

Mercier's tomb is in a side chapel of the cathedral- it would be stupid to try and hide anything there.