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The PCED intervenes in Croatia

There is apparently, at present, not a single public Mass according to the preconciliar Roman Missal in Croatia, either in Latin or in Slavonic (the "Slav-Latin" or "Glagolitic Rite" in use in parts of the former Yugoslavia -- including in Croatia -- from time immemorial until the 1960's), and it's not due to lack of interest among the laity. Since 2008, various lay faithful of Zagreb, Croatia have been pressing for the application of Summorum Pontificum in their archdiocese, apparently to no avail. The complete correspondence of the Traditionalists of Zagreb with the archdiocesan officials and with the PCED can be found here (with English translations). The October 28, 2009 letter from the Archdiocese of Zagreb denying the request for a TLM of thirty faithful from 20 parishes is a particularly instructive example of the art of using the text of Summorum Pontificum in order to obscure its obvious meaning and to frustrate its implementation.

Today, the Croatian blog Toma Blizanac has published the following letter from the PCED:



Pontificia Comissio "Ecclesia Dei"

N. ---
Vatican City, 25 November 2010

Dear Mr. ---,

This Pontifical Commission would like to thank you for your kind letter of 8 November 2010.

This Pontifical Commission is able to inform you that after contacting His Eminence Josip Cardinal Bozanić, it has received the assurance of His Eminence that the Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form will be celebrated in one of the churches in Zagreb.

With every good wish, I remain

Sincerely yours in Christ,
Rev. Mons. Guido Pozzo
Secretary


Thanks to Marcus M. for the tip. 

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

In the year 2010 the entire Catholic nation of Croatia does not have one, single, licit Traditional Mass even after they have petitioned for it.

If it’s not a question of a priest shortage, then here again we have massive evidence in support of the position of the Society of St. Pius X.

Since the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, the Tridentine Mass and the wishes of the Catholic people have been at the whim of the local bishop, who is oftentimes a tyrant worthy of Cranmer.

Remember, the bishops know best. They do our thinking for us. They are for “Vox Populi” mainly when the “populi” are a group of politically correct modernists.

—Thomas

Anonymous said...

Where is the "massive" evidence that supports the position of the SSPX? Define the position and then offer the evidence.

As far as my Catholic sensibilities can tell ... suppression, persecution, and suffering are "massive" evidence that these petitioning laity are 100% Catholic.

The SSPX do not share in what is evident here. They have chosen a different, wider, path.

bedwere said...

This relentless, ubiquitous bickering for or against the SSPX is so tiresome! I'm looking forward to when the faithful of Croatia will have their first diocesan TLM and may many more follow.

Anonymous said...

Yes, but how often will it be offered in Zagreb? There are also zero approved for Slovenia, a Catholic country immediately to the north of Croatia. There are also zero in Malta and zero in Portugal, except in the Diocese of Leiria-Fatima. Also zero in Venezuela, zero Central America, zero for the Congo and zero of Angola. All of these are Catholic countries.

These bishops will never co-operate. This is why additional provisions need to be enacted, including particular churches for the T.L.M., to supplement, not replace, those offered by dioceses.

P.K.T.P.

Picard said...

annon.: Get a NAME - then discuss!

Anonymous said...

So much hatred directed towards the SSPX, unbelievable.

Jack said...

\\In the year 2010 the entire Catholic nation of Croatia does not have one, single, licit Traditional Mass even after they have petitioned for it.\\

Oh, I'm sure they can find celebrations of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom in Croatia.

This is both licit AND traditional. Thomas.

I AM surprised, however that there are no celebrations of the Extraodinary Form of the Roman Rite in either Latin or Slavonic, however.

Toma Blizanac said...

Thank you for the publicity.

Let me make some things more clear.

You can read a short summary of how things stood more or less up till today HERE.

Neither SSPX nor any other traditionalist group has as far as I know expressed interest in working in Croatia. Without geting into discussions about SSPX, expressed unity with the pope is (or at least was) one of the main attributes of Croatian Catholicism. It would be disastrous for this small and fragile initiative if it were connected with the SSPX, whatever their merits.

The Mass should be offered on Sundays and Holy Days of obligation as is explicitly mentioned in the petition.

There is (as far as I know) Traditional Mass every Sunday in Ljubljana (Slovenia), see here ("Vabimo tudi k mašam v latinskem jeziku po tridentinskem obredu...") and here and there might be a Mass in Maribor, but I'm not sure about that.

Finally, I am quite aware this is only one step towards our goal of having a regular Mass (preferably with Gregorian chant and specifics found in Zagreb Archdiocese) and even one day having an occasional Glagolitic Mass with the appropriate folk singing as it was done before.

Anonymous said...

Reading the letter from the Archdiocese denying the Traditional Mass one feels not precisely charity and understanding... at all! I cannot judge intentions, of course, but there is a feeling of disgust toward the Traditional Mass in those lines.
Sad.
By the way PKTP, we don't have Traditional Masses in Argentina, with the exception of some brave independent priests and the valuable contribution of the glorious FSSPX.
Bishops are almost in its totality opposed to the TLM. The modernist Archbishop Card. Bergoglio has stopped any intent and designated a "latin" Mass that it is (sorry to say) a joke (mixing things up to the point that people stopped going, obviously).
Eric

Anonymous said...

"So much hatred directed towards the SSPX, unbelievable."

Criticism or disagreement is not necessarily hatred. Unfortunately a lot of the SSPX folks here think that whoever disagrees with them "hates" them -- a mentality they share with liberals.

Gideon Ertner said...

Mr. Blizanac, you and your community are in the prayers of us all. May St. Joseph grant you justice.

I'm sure all here would love to hear more about the Slavonic Mass - I for one have always found the phenomenon extremely interesting. If it is possible for you or someone else to write a piece on it, I suggest you get in contact with New Catholic and see if he would want to post it on Rorate.

Jack said...

\\Criticism or disagreement is not necessarily hatred. Unfortunately a lot of the SSPX folks here think that whoever disagrees with them "hates" them -- a mentality they share with liberals.\\

I don't hate the SSPX.

In fact, I pray that they will rapidly and soon be restored to full regular communion with the Church, instead of the anomalous and irregular status they presently find themselves.

This will prove a great blessing to both.

Anonymous said...

The TLM is absent in entire nations.

But the myth prevails that the TLM will influence the manner in which hundreds of millions of "Latin" Church Catholics (Novus Ordo), who will never assist at TLMs, comprehend and approach liturgy.

Talk about a pipe-dream.

John

Tim said...

Dear Toma Blizanac,

I wish you all the best for your endeavours for the TLM in Croatia.

I am a Slovenian Traditional Catholic and can confirm that PKTP's information is unfortunately correct: there are currently zero approved TLMs in Slovenia. On the other hand, the information you state is long out of date, as the diocesan TLM at St. Peter's in Ljubljana ceased to be celebrated more than 3 years ago.

At the moment, the only Traditional Mass in Slovenia is celebrated every Sunday by an independent priest (friend of the SSPX) in his very small private chapel. The other option for Slovenians is the SSPX in neighbouring Klagenfurt or Graz, Austria.

Toma Blizanac said...

Dear Tim,
thank you for correcting me. Why did the previous regular Mass in Ljubljana stop?

Mr. Gideon Ertner:
This is certainly in the long term plan, but we have many more pressing things to settle before.

Tim said...

The parish priest that had celebrated the indult TLM in Lj. died very abruptly; afterwards, the archdiocese apparently "didn't see the need" to appoint another celebrant, so the Mass was simply cancelled.

Toma, if you need further information, let me know and I can contact you by e-mail.

Anonymous said...

Mr Ertner, I am a friend of Tomablizanac but live in another country (Sweden). I would be happy to write something about the glagolitic singing and the glagolitic mass. Perhaps Tomablizanac could help me.
I will however give a short information about it. The glagolitic singing originates from the 9th century from the time of st. Kyrillios and Methodios. That means that the glagolitic singing has the same roots as for instance the russian orthodox music.
After the council of Trent something unique happened; Croatia was as the only country in the world allowed to celebrate the tridentine mass in the old church slavonic language. A living tradition that was more or less wiped out after the II Vatican council. Only on special occasions can you hear the glagolitic singing today, but I personally assure you as a musician and singer (I sing every sunday on tridentine masses) that I will not rest until the glagolitic mass is restored in Croatia. That is the only thing I ask from God (except eternal salvation) in this life; to let me live long enough to bring the music of my ancestors back where it belongs.

Ivan

Anonymous said...

First the SSPX are on a "wide path" and then they share something in common with the liberals. Sanctimonious comes to mind, right?

Mar said...

Anonymous 00:42,
Beware of calling anyone sanctimonious lest you fall into that very same error yourself.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if the text of the Roman-Slavonic Missal is available online? The Ritusl can be found here:

[url]http://www.archive.org/details/rimskiritualobr00litugoog[/url]

Luka said...

"At the moment, the only Traditional Mass in Slovenia is celebrated every Sunday by an independent priest (friend of the SSPX) in his very small private chapel."

Dear Tim,

I hope you this message will reach you. I have 2 questions regarding the quoted:

1. Is that priest in full and regular communion with Roman Catholic Church?

2. Is it possible to attend that Mass? If so, can you tell me where and when?

Also, I am happy to inform that, starting February 20th 2011, the Traditional Mass will be celebrated in Zagreb, on every Sunday and on feast days! :)

Luka said...

No need to reply, I've found what I was looking for:

http://honneurs.free.fr/Wikini/wakka.php?wiki=SloveniE