Rorate Caeli

MDCCCLXI + + + 150 + + + MDCCCLXV

Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis.

Requiescant in pace.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately you should realise the vast majority of the Catholic world are NOT American!
This sort of "patriotic" drivel makes me puke!

Ole Doc Farmer said...

Pickett's Charge...the high-water mark of the Catholic Reformation.

Think about it.

Jack O'Malley said...

Tibi, Nove Catholice, de ista requiete aeterna perpetuaque luce et pace sempiterna assentio. At minime mathematicam tuam occultam miramque agnosco! MDCCCLXI + CL + MDCCCLXV faciunt MMMDCCCLXXVI.

Et quid haec signa « plus » multiplicanda sunt? Num Archimedianis numeris computas?

Fortasse et tu sicut et ego nimis in Apocalysi indagas -- quidnam tibi revelatur? Mihi omnia ventura semper occluduntur. Praesertim de bursa actionum! Ego ipse modo vetus Catholicus sum: num dubitandum est quin tantissima peccata iam mihi imputata sint ut a caelestibus ratiocinatoribus vix divina computatra ad eorum enumerandum sufficant?

Ya que publicaste mensajes en iberico-latino moderno, quizás la lengua antiqua de la Iglesia occidental no te incomodará? ;-)

Jordanes551 said...

Unfortunately you should realise the vast majority of the Catholic world are NOT American!

Unfortunately you should realise that Americans can be Catholic too, not just non-Americans.

Giles said...

Anonymous 02:21,

St. Thomas Aquinas discusses "patriotism" as part of the virtue of piety. (cf: Summa Theologica II-II, q. 101)

Giles

New Catholic said...

There is absolutely nothing at all "patriotic" about this. Shame on you for not responding to an invitation to prayers for the dead.

NC

Jon said...

Pray for the dead? Indeed - 620,000 of them.

I live in Pennsylvania only a short drive from Gettysburg. Before moving here, I lived in Richmond for a decade. The shadows are long. Very long.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Unfortunately you should realise the vast majority of the Catholic world are NOT American!
This sort of "patriotic" drivel makes me puke!"

I am always surprised by how sensitive are the stomachs of the anti-patriotic/anti-American crowd; it should require quite a bit to make a grown man want to puke. Invoking God's mercy on one's fallen countrymen (I assume this blog piece was written by an American) should not have an emetic effect on standers-by. I think this weak-stomached soul should surmise that the person who posted this blog, together with a not inconsiderable part of the Catholic world, is American.

"Pickett's Charge...the high-water mark of the Catholic Reformation.

Think about it."

I did think about it, and it proved to be a false assertion. The Confederacy was NOT some nascent Catholic Utopia. See Confederate Vice-President Alexander Stephens' "Cornerstone Speech," in which he relates that the Confederacy was the first country founded on the "modern" and "scientific" principle of racial inequality and white supremacy: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76

This speech, in which the C.S.A.'s own vice-president proclaims that slavery was the primary cause of secession, should (I hope!) disabuse traditionalist Catholics of the neo-Confederate propaganda they so often fall for in the hopes of finding some point in American history to idealize/idolize. The Union and Confederacy were both Protestant, both in their own ways beholden to Enlightenment philosophies, both flawed.

~Bonifacius

Jordanes551 said...

Thank you, Bonifacius.

ATW said...

Vice President Stephens was correct in one regard: "The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to [God's] laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else." Sounds like a fair description of the Social Reign of Christ the King. Unfortunately, Mr. Stephens erred in his understanding of what God's laws and decrees were and what they required.

Anonymous said...

ATW wrote:

""The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to [God's] laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else." Sounds like a fair description of the Social Reign of Christ the King."

Is it really a "fair description" though? I thought the "Social Reign of Christ the King" (as opposed to following the natural law) meant/included social and political recognition of the Incarnation, the Church, and other supernaturally revealed facts. That's not what Stephens is talking about. The fact that society needs to be in tune with the Creator's laws is an observation you'll find in various forms in the Declaration of Independence, in the writings *of the abolitionists,* and minus the express term "Creator" in Taoism. It's not an expressly Christian concept.

I do agree with you as well that the specifics of God's rule Stephens gets wrong, as when he identifies the "cornerstone" as the institution of black slavery when in fact it is Christ.

Does Stephens even mention Our Lord Jesus Christ? He does write this: "We hear much of the civilization and Christianization of the barbarous tribes of Africa. In my judgment, those ends will never be attained, but by first teaching them the lesson taught to Adam, that "in the sweat of his brow he should eat his bread," and teaching them to work, and feed, and clothe themselves." Does he mean that black Africans had to be made human through white-imposed labor before they could be made Christians?

~Bonifacius

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Bonifacius, for a voice of reason in a trad world filled with silly Neo-Confederate nonsense.

--Billy

Anonymous said...

http://catholicism.org/catholicism-south.html

"As unchivalrous and plain indecent as was the treatment meted out to him by his vindictive jailers, President Davis was not without solace during confinement. A rosary sent by some sisters in Savannah reached him. More notably, comfort was extended by the Vicar of Christ himself, Ven. Pope Pius IX. It took the form of a crown of thorns woven by the pope with his own hands and a portrait of the pontiff autographed with the words from Scripture, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”

These items, the crown and the portrait, were sent to the Confederate President when he was still in prison and they may be viewed today at a museum in New Orleans. The portrait is an etching. The crown, with thorns about two inches long, is such that it is hard to see how the pope could have fashioned it without hurting himself."

"Enough of that regard and admiration doubtless was communicated in letters from Davis to Pope Pius for it to be manifest to the pontiff, if only in terms of the letters’ tone. The correspondence between the Confederate President and Ven. Pope Pius IX was not voluminous, but illuminating. It began when Union agents set about trying to recruit mercenaries from such European Catholic lands as Poland and Ireland. President Davis wrote to Pius, appealing to him to exercise the powers of his office to frustrate the recruiting effort. At his end, Pius communicated to the relevant bishops his concern that the recruitment risked internationalizing the American conflict. Moreover, when he responded directly to Davis he took care to address him as: “His Excellency, Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.”

Some historians have tried to contend otherwise, as if Vatican diplomacy, famous for its punctiliousness, suddenly went slipshod, but for Pius so to address Davis constituted recognition of the existence of the C.S.A. So would the pontiff’s later agreement to receive a personal envoy, an ambassador, of President Davis.

Why did Pius, alone among European heads of state, extend recognition? On this score, there is no particular historical document to which the historian can refer, no memorandum ever retrieved from the archives of the Holy See or Confederate State Department that explains in black and white why he did. We can still arrive at a likely explanation. This will be by coming to a deeper understanding of Southern culture, of the Southern way of life. We shall be helped in this by a remarkable essay, Religion and the Old South, written nearly 70 years ago by Allen Tate, poet, essayist, Southerner, and convert to the Faith. (He also wrote a novel, The Fathers, that cannot be too highly recommended. When it was published in 1938, one critic hailed it as “the novel Gone With The Wind should have been.”)

The Old South, Tate shows, had the only truly European civilization ever known in America. That is in the sense that it was a civilization rooted in its own soil. It was one that produced men who measured their success in life according to non-material standards, perhaps the chief of them being honor. It was an agricultural civilization, and a hierarchical one. That by itself was enough to make Pius or even most ordinary Catholics of the day sympathetic to the South. Certainly the Catholic Bishops of the South were sympathetic. There is no record of any failing to support the Confederacy. One of them, Bishop Patrick Lynch of Charleston, South Carolina, became President Davis’ envoy to Ven. Pope Pius IX."