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A Bishop who is not open to intellectual prostitution

It is curious to witness, in real time, the "Progressive Catholic" media trying to be "nice" to Archbishop Charles Chaput, new Archbishop of Philadelphia, as if this were going to change him, as if they could buy his conscience - after decades of covering up the lukewarm direction of the Philadelphian Church.

In order that there may be no doubt about the Archbishop's character, how about remembering his words on a most significant event, in all the symbolism it carried with it, of the Catholic Church in America in recent years? This does not look like a bishop whose conscience is for sale. (Emphases added.)

May 18, 2009
Archbishop Chaput on Notre Dame and the issues that remain
"I have found that even among those who did not go to Notre Dame, even among those who do not share the Catholic faith, there is a special expectation, a special hope, for what Notre Dame can accomplish in the world." ~ Reverend John Jenkins, C.S.C., May 17, 2009

Most graduation speeches are a mix of piety and optimism designed to ease students smoothly into real life. The best have humor. Some genuinely inspire. But only a rare few manage to be pious, optimistic, evasive, sad and damaging all at the same time. Father John Jenkins, C.S.C., Notre Dame’s president, is a man of substantial intellect and ability. This makes his introductory comments to President Obama’s Notre Dame commencement speech on May 17 all the more embarrassing.
Let’s remember that the debate over President Obama’s appearance at Notre Dame was never about whether he is a good or bad man. The president is clearly a sincere and able man. By his own words, religion has had a major influence in his life. We owe him the respect Scripture calls us to show all public officials. We have a duty to pray for his wisdom and for the success of his service to the common good -- insofar as it is guided by right moral reasoning.
We also have the duty to oppose him when he’s wrong on foundational issues like abortion, embryonic stem cell research and similar matters. And we also have the duty to avoid prostituting our Catholic identity by appeals to phony dialogue that mask an abdication of our moral witness. Notre Dame did not merely invite the president to speak at its commencement. It also conferred an unnecessary and unearned honorary law degree on a man committed to upholding one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in our nation’s history: Roe v. Wade.

... There was no excuse – none, except intellectual vanity – for the university to persist in its course. And Father Jenkins compounded a bad original decision with evasive and disingenuous explanations to subsequently justify it. ... (Rest of the text: source)

35 comments:

Dan said...

Aside from one or two mildly equivocal statements in his article Archbishop Chaput's words were quite stirring. especially to this tired, pessimistic soul who puts fingers to keyboard.

But the world must look on in amazement that a mere college president, in this case Fr Jenkins, can thumb his nose at his superiors with such grand insouciance, never worrying about being seriously disciplined, fired, suspended, reprimanded. He can continue in his merry ways unobstructed by the Church. Is there really any wonder why the Faith is in the mess it is right now?

We had the same scenario here in Milwaukee with the reprehensible Father Wild, president of Marquette, whose "openness" to poofs was renowned, even going so far as to offer health benefits to those in his employ. Indeed he actively recruited sodomites to come and teach at Marquette. And while I don't want to unjustly criticize our local Ordinary (and would be delighted if someone could point out that I am mistaken about this) I don't recall him making a single peep about this, at least publicly. And Father Wild was allowed to retire this year with all the pomp and circumstance befitting a potentate, and loaded with congratulatory words from all and sundry.

A Church ungoverned can only continue in its descent into anarchy.

Mr. Ortiz said...

Such moral candor is truly courageous. We need more bishops and priests such as this.

I have found that most pro-abort intellectuals in my experience are, maybe, working at a 12 year level when it comes to moral reasoning. This is a paper tiger, in many ways, and a few strong bishops, with their priests, could really advance what most people in their hearts realize is the truth.

God bless him!

Anonymous said...

Exclusive interview with Archbishop Charles Chaput

John Allen, Jr.
National Catholic Reporter
Jul. 19, 2011

"...I certainly want to be faithful to the Holy Father and his teaching about the traditional expression of the Roman liturgy in the Tridentine form.

"I supported that and will continue to support that.

"It isn't, however, my personal interest or direction."
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That says it all as to how far the Latin Church has drifted from Her ancient Liturgical Tradition.

A Latin Church Archbishop says of the ancient Roman Mass that said Mass isn't "my personal interest or direction" to him.

How nice that it would have been had Archbishop Chaput said that such Latin Church liturgical novelties as vernacular, Communion in the hand, Mass versus populum multiple Eucharistic Prayers, etc., were not of personal interest to him.

As decent a Churchman as is Archbishop Chaput, the bottom line is that the liturgical/spiritual crisis of the Latin Church won't end until the Latin Church returns to Her ancient Roman "Tridentine" Mass.

We are in desperate need of a structure that features Archbishops, bishops, priests and laymen who ARE interested personally in the "Tridentine" Mass.

The solution to the Latin Church's overall crisis must feature the restoration of the "Tridentine" Mass.

Any Churchmen who is not interested personally in the "Tridentine" Mass is simply treading water in his attempt to restore Holy Tradition within the Latin Church.

Tom

Anonymous said...

Archbishop Chaput:

"I actually don't see myself as a conservative at all.

"I try to be faithful to the church's teaching, as the church has handed it on to us.

"I don't feel that as a Christian or as a bishop I have a right to play with that tradition, which is the apostolic tradition of the church."
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However, during that same interview, Archbishop Chaput said of the "Tridentine" Mass (Traditional Apostolic Roman Mass):

"It isn't, however, my personal interest or direction."

That doesn't make sense.

The Archbishop said that as a bishop, he doesn't have the "have a right to play with that tradition, which is the apostolic tradition of the church."

Each time that he offers the Novus Ordo, he most certainly plays with Apostolic Tradition.

Yes, the Novus Ordo is a valid Mass. But the Novus Ordo, filled with novelties, does not hand to the Faithful the (Latin) Church's authentic Apostolic Tradition.

That is the problem within the Latin Church.

Our Latin Churchmen insist that they adhere to and promote ancient Apostolic Tradition, particularly Liturgical Tradition...

...but turn around to promote Novus Ordo novelties that shatter Tradition.

Beginning with Rome, we have a two-faced Latin Church.

We are the Church of the "Tridentine" Mass — Archbishop Chaput, for example, allowed the FSSP into his Archdiocese.

However, 99.9 percent of his subjects are exposed to the Novus Ordo.

Within a given Latin diocese, we'll have one or two Traditional Masses — at which authentic Liturgical Tradiiton is promoted.

At the same time, we have Novus Ordo novelties.

We have a two-faced Latin Church. We don't know who we are.

We are the Church of altar girls (at Novus Ordo Masses)...and the Church who banishes altar girls (at Traditional Masses).

We are the Communion in hand Church...and the Communion on the tongue Church.

We are the vernacular Church...and the Latin Church.

We are the contemporary liturgical music Church...and the ancient Gregorian Chant Church.

We are the confused Church. And why not?

As we are the Church of Archbishop Chaput...

...a man who said the following:

"...I certainly want to be faithful to the Holy Father and his teaching about the traditional expression of the Roman liturgy in the Tridentine form.

"It isn't, however, my personal interest or direction."

Huh?

You wish to be faithful to something in which you don't have personal interest?

Translation: Lukewarm.

Not good enough.

The Latin Church's crisis continues.

Tom

New Catholic said...

Nobody claimed he is a Traditionalist, but he never stood in the way of the Traditional Mass.

NC

Kathleen said...

With a few exceptions, our N.O. bishops can be roughly grouped into two categories.

- Honestly trying their best to do God's work within the N.O.

- It's gonna taka a miracle to turn this one around.

Archbishop Chaput clearly falls into the first category.

This is a very good thing for Philly. Given current circumstances one would be hard pressed to come up with better.

If we need more, which we do, it is up to us to merit better because of our prayer and sacrifice. There is also no reason that a Bishop striving to actually please God can't become more as well if supported by prayer and sacrifice from the faithful.

Robert said...

Hence why I now attend a Greek Catholic/Orthodox Church, in the Ukrainian Philadelphia Archdiocese. Not the Latin Archdiocese. No one cares about tradition on the Latin side. You talked about Mr Jenkins. Well he still has been untouched. Shows how much the Latin church disciplines a Novus Ordo priest vs traditional priest. The guy should have been sacked and de-collared when he had a fellow priest arrested, for standing up for Catholic teaching on a "so-called" Catholic campus. I have lost ALL and I mean ALL respect for the Latin Church after that fiasco!. Money and fame is more important than faith in the Latin Church. And MR JENKINS proved it. As well as many other clerics. Right now the clergy in the Latin Church, don't belong in educational institutions, or politics. They need to be in caves in the Egyptian Desert repenting and re-discovering what it means to be a a traditional Orthodox/Catholic Christian.

Jordanes551 said...

"Greek Catholic" or "Orthodox"? If it's a Greek Catholic Church, it's not an Eastern "Orthodox" Church.

Anonymous said...

"It isn't, however, my personal interest or direction."

It's tit for tat as Traditionalists don't have personal interest in the New Mass. So both sides have no personal interest in the other person's Mass, if you will.

Anonymous said...

Nobody claimed he is a Traditionalist, but he never stood in the way of the Traditional Mass.>

If he's not a Traditionalist, what is he?

Anonymous said...

"Honestly trying their best to do God's work within the N.O."
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Isn't a tremendous part of doing God's work, at least within the Latin Church, taking a personal interest in the "Tridentine" Mass.

As regards a Latin Catholic, is there a better way to perform God's work than through the "Tridentine" Mass...you know, the ancient Traditional Apostolic Roman Mass?

A Latin Church Archbishop declared that the Traditional Roman Mass is not of personal interest to him.

He has turned his back upon his ancient Latin Church Tradition.

He prefers novelties to his own Apostolic Tradition.

Well, okay. He said it. He is honest.

Unfortunately, despite his finest intentions, he (and each Bishop who shares his stance on the Traditional Roman Mass) will not end the crisis of faith that exists within the Latin Church.

Tom

Robert said...

"Greek Catholic" or "Orthodox"? If it's a Greek Catholic Church, it's not an Eastern "Orthodox" Church.

I'll leave that a mystery for you to figure out.

Anonymous said...

Casey, Stafford, Chaput - all defenders of Vatican II with Chaput being perhaps the most conservative of the lot and at the very least not totally against Tradition. But, where is the Defender of Tradition - what Holy Mother Church has always held, taught and professed to be true from apostolic times? Sadly, there is not one amongst them or so it seems. Could it be that this is indicative of the modernist attempt to make 2+2=5 as well as 4? What will the successor be like? If the past is any indication, more of the same, I'm afraid.

PEH

Anonymous said...

"Nobody claimed he is a Traditionalist, but he never stood in the way of the Traditional Mass."
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There is a sense in which he stands in the way of the Traditional Mass.

He is devoid of desire to promote the Tradiitonal Mass to the hilt as said Mass isn't of personal interest to him.

The bottom line is that there isn't any wonder as to why the Latin Church is in a state of shambles.

When the ancient Traditional Apostolic Roman Liturgy, a priceless treasure given by God, isn't of "personal interest" to members of the Latin Church, then the only possible outcome is the collapse of the Latin Church.

Tom

Jordanes551 said...

"I'll leave that a mystery for you to figure out."

There's no mystery, Robert. You frequent a Greek Catholic church, but prefer to think of it as somehow "Orthodox" (as opposed to "orthodox"), and so you gratuitously and inaccurately added the word "Orthodox" even though it is a Catholic church rather than a schismatic one.

Jordanes551 said...

If he's not a Traditionalist, what is he?

Probably a non-Traditionalist Catholic, I would guess.

elmwood said...

Robert,

Probably the biggest reason the small Greek Catholic churches have not been affected by the scandals and the worldliness is precisely because they are small. Most have been persecuted in their home countries and consequently they don't take thier freedom to worship and preach lightly. If the Byzantines were the majority and had been given the privileged places that the Latin rite in this country has, they likely would have been as affected. Sensitivities concerning relations with the orthodox--their mother churches--have preserved thier liturgy.

The corruptive effects of a love for money and power are universal and can bring down anybody regardless liturgical piety. Look at Fr. Corapi for instance.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

"...Nobody claimed he is a Traditionalist, but he never stood in the way of the Traditional Mass..."

Of course not.

That would cause him to lose out on a Cardinals Red Cap.

He will be no match against the Freemasons in power in Philadelphia.

They will allow him all the pomp he wants as long as his work has no real effect upon the souls in Philadelphia.

He once spoke along with Bill Clinton and a Rabbi at a public gathering.

The Rabbi and Clinton were the only ones not afraid to invoke the Holy Name of Jesus Christ.

He is against the Death Penalty.

Holy Mother Church allows it.

*

Anonymous said...

Probably a non-Traditionalist Catholic, I would guess.>

Is a non-Traditionalist Catholic a Catholic who doesn't cling to and pass along Tradition?

Anonymous said...

When the ancient Traditional Apostolic Roman Liturgy, a priceless treasure given by God, isn't of "personal interest" to members of the Latin Church, then the only possible outcome is the collapse of the Latin Church.<

Yep. cast aside interest in your heritage, traditions, language and music and you'll destroy your heritage, tradition, language and music.

Mar said...

To Anon. 21:30,
The Catholic Church is not about tit-for-tat but about Truth.

The Assissi events can be seen as an attempt to put tit-for-tat tactics into practice and the results have been deplorable and disastrous. There has not been a decrease in attacks upon Catholics and Catholicism, quite the opposite; but there has been a devastating increase of Catholics falling away from the True Faith.

The Truth will set you free. Error has no rights. That is the Catholic way.

Jordanes551 said...

Is a non-Traditionalist Catholic a Catholic who doesn't cling to and pass along Tradition?

No, that would be a non-Traditional Catholic.

Athelstane said...

The comments of His Grace Archbishop Chaput indicating his lack of interest in the traditional mass and sacraments are of course very disappointing, but are not news to most of us. I chalk it up as a generational thing. Chaput had his formation in the last 60's and early 70's, which even in the Capuchin order had to be something of a buzzsaw. You can find priests of that generation with a love for the traditional mass, but they are very few and far between. It is the priests of the 21st century who are really open to it, and who will make the real difference when they start getting promoted to sees.

Still, Chaput represents a major upgrade over Rigali. He was unafraid to clean house in Denver, even going so far as to shut down the seminary in order to eliminate all the tenured professors, later opening a new seminary on much sounder footing. He is certainly a vocal advocate for Church teaching in a way Rigali is not.

And it is interesting that Rigali has been succeeded in both of his last two sees by such outspoken conservatives - Burke in St. Louis, and now Chaput in Philadelphia.

And both men will be voting in the next conclave. There is a long, long, long way to go, but we are also not where we were 20 years ago.

Anonymous said...

From First Things

http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/06/glorify-god-by-your-life

Archbishop Chaput, June 30, 2010:

"In this regard, the Novus Ordo, the new order of the Mass promulgated after the council, has been a great blessing to the Church.

"Our liturgy gives us the zeal for the evangelization and sanctification of our world.

"The vernacular has opened up the liturgy’s content in new ways.

"It has encouraged active, creative participation by all the faithful — not only in the liturgy but in every aspect of the Church’s mission.

"By the way, for the record, I’m also very grateful that the Holy Father has allowed wider use of the older Tridentine form — not because I personally prefer it, in fact I find the Novus Ordo, properly celebrated, a much richer expression of worship; but because we need access to all of the Church’s heritage of prayer and faith."

T.R. Peacocke said...

Well I am one of those who had mistakenly thought that Abp. Chaput was a traditionalist. What a disappointment. Are there any (non-sspx) bishops who are reliably traditionalist?

Gratias said...

Archbishop Chaput will be a vast improvement over the disgraced Cardinal Rigali.

While seminarians in Los Angeles Rigali, Mahony and Levada played poker regularly at the home of a friend in Pacific Palisades. What are the chances of los tres amigos becoming Cardinals?

Anonymous said...

To Robert:
"Greek Catholic" or "Orthodox"? If it's a Greek Catholic Church, it's not an Eastern "Orthodox" Church.

I'll leave that a mystery for you to figure out.

Robert, Greek-Catholics are former Orthodox reunited in 1700 with the Catholic Church. They retained the byzantine (or Eastern) rite but adhered to the Catholic doctrines and are answering to the Holy Father.
I hope that clarifies a bit the situation.

JM said...

Chaput sounds ike a great man and an answer to prayer.

Anonymous said...

With all due respect, while Archbishop Chaput is certainly, relatively speaking, one of the best American hierarchs out there today, the fact that any number of folks are fawning over a non-Traditionalist who has no strong interest in traditional worship but hasn't obstructed it too much says much about how far we've descended in the past 50 years.

The archbishop is clearly a Second Vaticanist who, it seems doutful, would take a stand on behalf of traditionalist teaching regarding ecumenism, interfaith relations, church-state relations, ends of marriage, etc. etc.

As for our tangential dust-up over Byzantine-rite Catholicism on this thread, Robert, while I can have some understanding of your aggrieved hostility to the Latin rite, you shouldn't think being a Byzantine rite Catholic is about to save you from some serious doctrinal problems.

Yes, the liturgy is wonderful. But start poking around at contemporary Byzantine Catholic thought, such as the so-called Zoughby initiative of the 1990s, and start to learn what Byzantine-rite folks are saying about our infallible dogmas from Second Lyon, Florence, Trent and First Vatican. You're going to have plenty of doctrinal problems on your hands.

As for the questioning of the use of the term 'Orthodox', Latin Catholic folks need to understand that there is a strong current in contemporary Byzantine rite Catholicism that likes to call itself 'Orthodox in communion with Rome'. Many of those who are comfortable with this phrase all too often see Byzantine-rite Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy as essentially interchangeable and a mere matter of Byzantinist preference of affiliation.

Anonymous said...

I found this interesting. The following is from an interview with Archbishop Chaput posted by Sandro Magister:

"Q: Who are your "teachers" of reference, those who have influenced you the most?

A: Augustine and Francis. You can’t do better than that.

I’m deeply grateful to Father Ronald Lawler, O.F.M. Cap., who taught me philosophy in college. He had a very big impact on my thinking. When I studied theology as a seminarian, I learned a great deal from Father Robert McCreary, O.F.M. Cap., who also made the same kind of significant impact on my life and my thinking.

In terms of Church leadership, as a young Capuchin priest, I had a great respect and reverence for Pope Paul VI, and still honor him as one of my heroes. And, of course, I’m deeply grateful to both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict for their extraordinary magisterium and apostolic energy."

http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1348740?eng=y

Anonymous said...

"By the way, for the record, I’m also very grateful that the Holy Father has allowed wider use of the older Tridentine form — not because I personally prefer it, in fact I find the Novus Ordo, properly celebrated, a much richer expression of worship; but because we need access to all of the Church’s heritage of prayer and faith."
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How nice. After nearly 2000 years, the Church overthrew the ancient Roman Liturgy for a new liturgy that is a much richer expression of worship.

Great! We finally got it right!

Too bad for our Latin brothers and sisters who, throughout the centuries, worshiped via the Roman Rite, which paled in comparison to the 1960s manufactured Novus Ordo.

Yes, the Novus Ordo is a much richer expression of worship.

Wait a minute. Archbishop Chaput also said that it's important to have access to the Tridentine form.

Why would he wish Catholics to worship God via the "Tridentine form" when said form is deficient as compared the "much richer" Novus Ordo form?

Seriously...Archbishop Chaput, though far from alone among bishops and priests, stands as an example as to why the Latin Church's liturgy is in shambles.

He declared that he has "no personal" interest in the "Tridentine" Mass."

He promotes the preposterous party line that the Novus Ordo is a much richer expression of Faith and has been a tremendous blessing to the Church.

Yet he insists that we should have some access to the "Tridentine form" although said "form" isn't of interest to him.

Sad. Very sad. Yet among conservative Catholics, he is upheld as a tremendous Archbishop who will help to lead the Latin Church out of Her crisis situation.

Sorry, he won't. Not as long as he promotes the failed Novus Ordo.

The crisis will continue.

Tom

Jordanes551 said...

But start poking around at contemporary Byzantine Catholic thought, such as the so-called Zoughby initiative of the 1990s, and start to learn what Byzantine-rite folks are saying about our infallible dogmas from Second Lyon, Florence, Trent and First Vatican. You're going to have plenty of doctrinal problems on your hands.

I too have found that a strain of Crypto-Orthodoxy has infected some of the Eastern Catholic churches.

As for the questioning of the use of the term 'Orthodox', Latin Catholic folks need to understand that there is a strong current in contemporary Byzantine rite Catholicism that likes to call itself 'Orthodox in communion with Rome'. Many of those who are comfortable with this phrase all too often see Byzantine-rite Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy as essentially interchangeable and a mere matter of Byzantinist preference of affiliation.

I suspect that this "Orthodox in communion with Rome" nonsense is a Crypto-Orthodox shibboleth. To be in communion with Rome is to be Catholic, which entails the acceptance of all that the Church teaches, including all that the Church taught at Vatican I about the Petrine Office. I've encountered some Eastern Catholics, however, who regard Vatican I as open for debate or something that applies only to the Latin Church and not to the entire Catholic Church. If that's what "Orthodox in communion with Rome" means, then functionally it means "not in communion with the Catholic Church at all."

Anonymous said...

"By the way, for the record, I’m also very grateful that the Holy Father has allowed wider use of the older Tridentine form — not because I personally prefer it, in fact I find the Novus Ordo, properly celebrated, a much richer expression of worship; but because we need access to all of the Church’s heritage of prayer and faith."

I find it difficult to believe that Archbishop Chaput would put an ecclesiastical rite of the Church up as a matter of individual preference. Does he believe in lex orandi, lex credendi or not?

Of course, he adds the qualifier "properly celebrated" to his remarks about the NO but isn't that a bit of a cop-out? What I would most like to hear from him is how he interprets the papal bull Quo Primum, the statement in perpetuity from that Bull and the Study attached to Cardinal Ottaviani's letter to Pope Paul VI? Does he believe we are all just out of our minds when we defend the TLM or just locked in the past forever? Are our "microphones" going to be turned off like Cardinal Ottaviani's was at Vatican II?

PEH

Jordanes551 said...

Please, not the "in perpetuity" Quo Primum debate again.

I find it difficult to believe that Archbishop Chaput would put an ecclesiastical rite of the Church up as a matter of individual preference. Does he believe in lex orandi, lex credendi or not?

That's a silly question. Do Eastern Rite Catholics believe in lex orandi, lex credendi even though they do not celebrate the traditional Latin Mass?

Pascal said...

This discussion is crazy.

Archbishop Chaput, like practically all the members of the entire Roman Catholic hierarchy, is not a traditionalist. It's not news. Everyone knows it. So why the bellyaching? Did you seriously expect someone like Msgr. Fellay to be appointed? Stop pretending to be appalled.