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The Child Jesus is God: neglecting this is the whole problem

From the "Letter to Friends and Benefactors" of the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX).
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The King of peace, Rex pacificus. Here we would like to elaborate somewhat on this truth, which is so to speak at the heart of the crisis that is shaking the Church and affects the relations of the Society of St. Pius X with the Holy See.


Indeed, it seems to us that the basis for the current problem can be summed up as a loss of faith in the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Oh! Of course many people protest that they believe that Jesus is God, but very few are ready to draw the practical consequences of that truth which will manifest itself in the sight of the whole world at the end of time.
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Our Lord is the Head of the Church. But since He willed that His Church should be visible, after His ascension into heaven, He gave her a visible head, who is His Vicar on earth, Peter and his successors…. To him alone did Our Lord give the power to feed the sheep and the lambs, he alone has full, sovereign, and immediate authority over each and every member of the Church. That is why the Church has always proclaimed herself to be a monarchy, governed by one man. Certainly, the human character of government makes it quite understandable to seek counsel and the advice of wise persons, but a form of democracy imported into the Church by collegiality and by the parliamentary parody of bishops’ conferences allows all sorts of abuses and subjects to group pressure the decrees of Divine Law that declare that each diocese has only one head, the bishop of the locality.

Authority today is seriously shaken, not only outside, through the litigation of secular leaders who claim a share in government, but also within the Church, through the addition of a number of councils and commissions which, in today’s atmosphere, prevent the just exercise of the authority delegated by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Source: La Porte Latine/ translation: SSPX United States District]

33 comments:

Daniel Arseno said...

"To him alone did Our Lord give the power to feed the sheep and the lambs"

It is the Holy Father who stated that the SSPX's ministers "do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church." Does the fact that Our Lord gave him the power to feed the sheep and the lambs have any practical consequences for Fellay?

New Catholic said...

Yes, which is the whole reason for the discussions, otherwise they would not really bother. Please, do not be disingenuous, Mr. Arseno - we have had enough of that here.

NC

Daniel Arseno said...

New Catholic,

I may seem to have it in for the SSPX with all my negative comments, but the truth is that I appreciate them and wish they would simply comply with the wishes of the Holy Father. The Church needs the SSPX to help in the battle against internal enemies.

I'm very saddened when I hear from SSPX parishioners what their priests tell them about the "conciliar religion," as if the Holy Father were the supreme pontiff of some other religion than Catholicism. There's something very wrong about their general attitude.

The whole mess needs to be cleaned up, and that's why I hope Fellay will resist the hardliners and comply promptly with the wishes of the Holy Father.

Forever Faithful said...

Bp Fellay is so wise! If you look around, even casually, you can see that there is a crisis of authority everywhere, even in families. People no longer believe in authority when it goes against their own wishes or ideas. Let us, this Christmas, rededicate ourselves to our Lord and God and Savior Jesus Christ! ...and in so doing, let us completely give our hearts to His Church...and truly seek to be forever faithful. May God bless us, everyone!

Torkay said...

I believe the 2010 Remnant article, "Actions Speak Louder Than Words," is relevant to Mr. Arseno's post. The article speaks of an official position, a de jure party line as it were, and a de facto position, as demonstrated by the Vatican's reception of certain SSPX confessions.

That said, I will add that our Prior (SSPX) told us during a recent sermon that the suppression of the Society by the Swiss bishop was illicit and illegal, for, according to Church law, only the Pope can suppress a society whose activities extend over multiple dioceses.

Any comments on that would be appreciated. Here is the Remnant article:

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2010-1031-mccall-fellay.htm

Brian said...

Given that Jesus is God, that He died to save us, and that He, as Head, ordained Peter and his successors as Vicars of His Church, it is fundamentally right and just and all people worship and adore Him within His One, True, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church.

It is indeed difficult to reconcile these Truths of our Faith with the thoroughly modern notion that people have a human right to reject these Truths, a fundamental human right to reject their God and Savior, and instead follow, say, Animism, Buddhism, Islam, or Judaism.

spero said...

O Emmanuel, Rex et legifer noster, exspectatio gentium, et Salvator earum: veni ad salvandum nos Domine Deus noster!!!

Mike said...

"It is indeed difficult to reconcile these Truths of our Faith with the thoroughly modern notion that people have a human right to reject these Truths, a fundamental human right to reject their God and Savior, and instead follow, say, Animism, Buddhism, Islam, or Judaism."

Difficult, yes; impossible, no.

These are deep waters. I do trust the Pope when he speaks of this "right" being deeply in accord with the ancient precept that one must NEVER force religious belief against someone's will.

Many times, when the Magisterium of the 19th century condemned this "right", I believe it was doing so because so many were arguing for right from incorrect premises: no religion is true, ergo: let each his own.

Benedict XVI, I think this is clear, comes from completely different premises, none of which is agnostic.


May God bless all Rorate readers and writers!

Cruise the Groove. said...

Is it possible that a reconciliation between the FSSPX and the Holy Father takes place even while the "official" stance of the FSSPX is that no one should go to the Novus Ordo Mass or diocesan TLM's, even if it is ones only option to fulfill the obligation.
Is it possible that there is a reconciliation when they teach one should stay home and pray the rosary if the only option is the NO

It seems to me this stance must change before regularization.

John said...

It is interesting to note the Pope's message for Christmas speaks about lack of faith being the problem for the Church and humanity especially in the West. Bp. Fellay points to lack of faith as a major problem. My adult life covers the post V2. Here in the trenches it is hard to disagree with Bp. Fellay.

Perhaps Benedict XVI should invite Bishop F for a cup of eggnog or what ever they like to drink and in the spirit of Christmas reconcile without further discussion.

Knight of Malta said...

Mr. Arseno,

Bishop Fellay's entire raison d'être is precisely to carry-on Archbishop Lefebvre's fight for the Pope's authority and against Vatican II's notion of collegiality, which gives the collective "authority" of Bishops as much, or, in some cases, more authority than the Pope. This is, of course, only one of the issues, but it is important.

Vatican II changed the entire praxis of the Church. There is little continuity with many of the documents with Tradition. Vatican II did, indeed, create a New Church which, in some respects, does not resemble the Church Pope St. Pius X inherited upon his election.

An excellent treatment on the subject is The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church by Christopher A. Ferrara, Esq., and Dr. Thomas Woods.

Gratias said...

The Bishop's Conferences are a very pernicious innovation because they deprive the Church of the beneficial effects of individual Bishops. One good Bishop can make a center of excellence and radiate it's goodness. There are some 250 Bishops and Cardinals that have participated in the Traditional Catholic liturgy in some way or another (out of a total of about 5000). If just one of them instituted an every-Sunday TLM in every parish that would make a huge difference world-wide. The Bishops Confernces and Committes would prevent this. Yet individual modernist priests have not shied from spreading devastation, such as in my Archdiocese Cardinal Roger Mahoney.

Brian said...

Mike,
Clearly, "the ancient precept that one must NEVER force religious belief against someone's will" does not entail that one has a fundamental human right to reject one's Creator and Savior and instead choose to follow false religions.

Faith cannot be forced, but rejecting God is inherently sinful. Although our wills are free, no one has the right to commit an objectively sinful act.

Brian

Gratias said...

As Pope Benedict XVI reminds us, the most important moment in History was the day God took human form in Jesus Christ.

Have a Blessed Holy Christmas Everyone!

Adfero said...

Mr. Arseno: "I'm very saddened when I hear from SSPX parishioners what their priests tell them about the "conciliar religion," as if the Holy Father were the supreme pontiff of some other religion than Catholicism. There's something very wrong about their general attitude."

I just came from my aunts funeral Mass, which explains their position clearly.

While the Mass, approved by the Holy See, clearly calls us to pray for her salvation, the Capuchin priest numerous times canonized her from the pulpit. He created his own theology, and said knowing she's in Heaven "is our faith."

The post-conciliar religion is true and sadly evident in many cases in practice, if not on paper.

Mike said...

Adfero,

I serve at NO funeral Masses now and then. You have a point here; it's a major problem--instant canonizations.

Brian,

Saying one must freely embrace the Faith also, in my view, means that civil law may explicitly protect this moral freedom. That does not mean that EVERYONE will see that law as a good thing for the SAME reason.

Is it morally, objectively, wrong to be an atheist? Yes. Should the state make atheism illegal?

That's a question that we can licitly disagree on, and still be Catholics in good standing.

PEH said...

The FSSPX is not the problem nor are the many traditional groups who acknowledge the current pontiff as the Vicar of Christ. The problem is that the Holy Father is ignored by many bishops who see their role as the sole authority in their dioceses. In fact, they would have no authority were it not given to them by the Vicar of Christ, the Supreme Head of the Universal Church. In my opinion it is time for the Holy Father to exercise his authority and by his own hand regularize the FSSPX. What better time than now to do this?

Louis said...

As Fr. Fred Schell SJ (RIP) put it, the Pope is the head of two Churches: the God-centered Catholic Church, and the man-centered Conciliar Church.
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"Should the state make atheism illegal?" The state should outlaw public practice of false religions.
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"If just one of them instituted an every-Sunday TLM in every parish that would make a huge difference world-wide. The Bishops Confernces and Committes would prevent this." No, they would try to prevent it, but a Bishop with backbone can simply ignore (and stop funding) them.

Mike said...

"The state should outlaw public practice of false religions."

That didn't work for those "citizens" of the Soviet Empire.

Or the Roman Empire, for that matter.

A religious said...

My dear friends,
I pray that SSPX will show its respect for authority, especially for the Sovereign Pontiff and the Magisterium. There is now a real danger of a new religion being set up. Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia. This is a sign of true love for the Church. The history of the Church demonstrates this. Nunc tempus acceptabile. Yes, let us work for converts to the Faith and the reign of Christ the King. But let us do so united to Peter, accepting Vatican II with the correct interpretation in the light of Tradition(and not everything requires the assent given to doctrine). Saying this is not enough, it must be visible, with actions.

Let us pray the the divine Christ Child with all our hearts. May God grant you all a happy and a very holy Christmas.

pandz said...

We are always talking about the obedience of SSPX to the Pope and Magesterium but ignoring the fact that many Bishops are ignoring not just these 2 aspect but also includes Tradition.

PEH said...

I pray that SSPX will show its respect for authority, especially for the Sovereign Pontiff and the Magisterium.

In what way does the SSPX show its disrespect for the authority of the Sovereign Pontiff and the Magisterium? Is asking for clarification of ambiguous and/or potentially heretical documents or safety in practicing according to Tradition showing disrespect for papal authority? I pray that the Holy Father will recognize the loyal sons and daughters of the Church before it is too late.

Who is God said...

Hey you hit it right on the nail with that one. Many people don't like to do their homework (Biblical studies) which is important when you believe in any faith. Jesus is Yahweh in human form. Jesus made His first appearance in the old testament when Moses went before the Burning Bush. Although Moses Knew that the Burning Bush was the spirit of God (the Holy spirit) He recognized the Voice of God as a person they called the Angel of the Lord or the Angel of Yahweh (which is Yahweh in angel form). The "Angel of the Lord" appears several times in the Old Testament. In fact every time someone heard Gods voice it was the Angel of the Lord (which is why Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I Am"). He appeared in the old testament not just with the voice of an angel but the celestial body of an angel as well. Many theologians believe that Yahweh did this because His true voice and true form would kill an ordinary human being, such as The Angel of the Lord had informed Moses when Moses ask to see Gods true form. God told Moses that His true form would kill him because Gods power was so awesome and so great that even His light would probably melt us away :( God told Moses that he could only look at a place where God sat, and that was almost to much for Moses :)

Jordanes551 said...

The eternally-begotten Son of God, the Logos, makes His first "appearance" in Gen. 1, where Moses writes, "And God said, . . . ."

Louis said...

"That didn't work for those 'citizens' of the Soviet Empire.

Or the Roman Empire, for that matter."

It did work for subjects of Los Reyes Catolicos, Charles V, Philip II, etc. The difference? The rulers of the Soviet and Roman Empires are probably in Hell. Pray for our rulers.

Brian said...

Mike,
There is an important difference between tolerating false religions (which can make perfect sense) and declaring that one has a fundamental right to follow false religions (which does not make sense).
Brian

A religious said...

PEH

I do not doubt the sincerity of SSPX, and I pray for the society. But is it possible for the doctrinal teaching of a council, albeit pastoral, presided over, and called by, the Vicar of Christ on earth, to err in Faith and morals ? This is a significant question which requires an answer. Clarifications are, indeed, one thing, and I am sure that the Holy See has clarified things, and that, as time goes on, further clarity will be given through the Holy Spirit. It is one thing, for example, to disagree with doctrine and another to disagree over the implementation of the liturgy : personally I am not happy with a number of the disciplinary decisions in Sacrosanctum Concilium, which, while they may require obedience, to not require intellectual assent. The pope's motu proprio 'Summ. Pont. has gone a long way to point the way forward for the liturgy in the Church. Let us pray for those bishops who are not obedient to the pope, but let us not use that as an excuse for us to be disobedient.

PEH said...

To A Religious,

You have not said in what way the FSSPX and, by extension, other traditional groups have erred with respect to Faith and Morals. Your post at least implies that they are disobedient to what Holy Mother Church has received and passed on from the apostles. In what way? By following Tradition in liturgy, practice and belief? By refusing to assent to dubious propositions emanating from the Council (and you well know what I'm talking about)? By asking for clarification of these issues from the Holy See? By refusing to come under the authority of "bi-ritual" bishops who espouse continuity with the perennial and universal Magisterium but whose actions display discontinuity with that same Magisterium?

Come on, get real. It is not the FSSPX or other traditional groups that are the problem and your insistence that they are is and has been thoroughly discredited in this blog and many others. I agree that prayers are necessary - for those who refuse to follow Tradition in liturgy, practice and belief. You well know, I presume, what the majority of bishops and clergy, indeed even the pope at the time, did with respect to the Arian heresy and the battle that St. Athanasius fought to defend the Faith against those who espoused heresy. That is happening in our times with Modernism IMO and your comments to the contrary are disingenuous to say the least.

I didn't want to post on these matters again on this day before Christmas but your comments cannot go unchallenged.

Enoch said...

Bishop Fellay wrote:

"Indeed, it seems to us that the basis for the current problem can be summed up as a loss of faith in the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Oh! Of course many people protest that they believe that Jesus is God, but very few are ready to draw the practical consequences of that truth which will manifest itself in the sight of the whole world at the end of time."

So what does Bishop Fellay mean when he writes that..."very few are ready to draw the practical consequences of that truth which will manifest itself in the sight of the whole world at the end of time"?

Tradical said...

"what does Bishop Fellay mean"

Asking Bishop Fellay would be the best means to ascertain his intention.

However, my interpretation is this:

The practical consequences of the Divinity of Jesus Christ:

Jesus commanded people to enter the Catholic Church and avail themselves of the means of Grace.

If you aren't gathering with Our Lord, you are scattering.

At the end of the world we find out who are goats (left) and who are sheep (right).

I pray and work to know and fulfill God's Will so that I'll be on the right.

Long-Skirts said...

Tradical said:

"At the end of the world we find out who are goats (left) and who are sheep (right)."



CHRISTMAS
GOLD

If I had a big house
As a rule-of-thumb
At Christmas I'd have loved-ones
And others if they'd come.

If I had a big house
A cupboard warm and round
Would feed my Christmas guests
The staff of life here found.

If I had a big house
All men I would let in
At Christmas shed their burdens
Learn losses can be wins.

If I had a big house
All Christmas linens laced
And men who came to visit
Would yield a certain grace.

But I don't need a big house
I'm in the biggest home
Where hindered senses are enhanced
By way of Christmas-Rome.

For Christmas-Rome's eternal
Shall not be bought or sold
And yule-logs in perpetuum
Glow red fore Christmas-gold!!

BeachBody Coach: VirtueFit said...

Full context of the letter is here. I think it's best to read all in context and in its entirety. http://sspx.org/superior_generals_news/supgen_79.htm

Adfero said...

Whoever has been trying, for weeks, to post anti-SSPX rants please stop. As you have been told numerous time, you'll never get through without a name.