Rorate Caeli

The Easter Bunny is Catholic. Here's proof.

From a "Family Mass" on Easter Sunday in the Hartberg Catholic Parish of the Diocese of Graz-Seckau in Austria:

 

H/t Catholic Church Conservation


This parish has a Youtube channel with more videos of its liturgical abuses (such as the Preaching Tomcat.)

65 comments:

Francis said...

"From a "Family Mass" on Easter Sunday in the Hartberg Catholic Parish of the Diocese of Graz-Seckau in Austria"

Austria, now there's a big surprise. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Schonborn was the one dressed up as the "Easter bunny".

DJ devito said...

when will they stop sinking into stupidity

Comedian said...

Where's a doctrinal preamble when you truly need one?

Josephus Muris Saliensis said...

How sad. One feels so sorry for the poor little priest, who thinks this is what the Church asks him to do, bouncing around the sanctuary with his silly cheerful affected voice and his ridiculous costumed rabbit.

Who is the greater loser in all this, him and his sacred vocation, or the deluded people whose souls were put into his care? The answer, of course, is our Crucified Saviour, who seems wholly excluded from this jolly celebration.

I am not Spartacus said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M

Josephus Muris Saliensis said...

@Dana Zelman,

Satanic it clearly is, any aberration from the Truth comes only from the devil.

You are wrong, however, to say the young will be even more secularized, and that the Church will e silenced. While one cannot condone the adults' behaviour, we cannot forget the action of Grace, and the very real possibility that these children will respond to God's call to sweep all this out horror of the sanctuaries of His Church.

To think otherwise is defeatism, and that too is from Satan.

Garrett said...

This is truly Satanic.

No, that is not hyperbole. Satan works in every way possible to blaspheme the sacred, to curse the holy. He works in every way to distract and lead astray even those few Austrian who dare darken the doorway to a church at all.

Look at the where the people focus; watch some of the reactions, by young and old alike. Adulation at a hopping bunny - and a lack of adoration of the Holy Trinity during Mass.

The children at this "Family Mass" will grow up even more secularized than their demented parents who brought them, more unwilling to appreciate the Church's perspective and thus, because of the totalitarian misapplication of liberal democracy rampant in Western cultures, the Church will surely - absent divine intervention - surely be silenced in Austria and across most or all of the Western world.

Thanks, in no small part, to liturgies like this.

Satanic.

Lord, have mercy!

(Webmaster: Sorry, I posted this earlier but was logged into my friend's account!)

Andrew said...

Its not satanic. Its good intentions meeting with bad formation and little sense of what is appropriate. These kinds of antics must be stopped but let's not attribute this demonic intentions. This young priest is probably as much a victim of bad formation, theology and leadership as anyone else. He needs to be taught with kindness, charity and firmness by his bishop.

Why not have a really holy and solemn Mass? Then have the Easter Bunny in the parish hall or garden AFTER Mass? I don't get why these lines have to get blurred. There is a time and a place for everything. Worship God in reverence, beauty and holiness then go outside AFTER MASS and have an Easter Egg hunt with the kids. It seems to me that people have lost all sense of what is appropriate depending on time and place.

Joseph the sacristan said...

No wonder we have no vocations to the priesthood! This is the wonderful fuits of Vatican II.

Look at the beautful Baroque church that was build for the traditional Mass and faith.

The Novus Ordo Mass and "faith" is really out of place there.


Very sad.

Mirari said...

I cannot help but think of the line from The Matrix when Morpheus promises to show Neo how deep the rabbit hole goes. My only question is, "Where is the Mad Hatter in this modernist Wonderland?"

St. Pius X, pray for Austria.

MJ said...

I also noticed how young the celebrant is. So much for the generational shift.

Knight of Malta said...

I would rather have a priest celebrating the TLM in an Easter bunny costume than a priest celebrating the NO in the finest vestments!

What is truly sad, though, is that in trying to be cute, relevant, hip, what have you, these jesters just make themselves more foolish.

The NO lends itself to theatrics; priest needs to entertain, since all eyes are focused on him instead of HIM.

And of course the praxis is on the temporal and not the immortal.

Sad.

jasoncpetty said...

The Pope should send in this "Preaching" Tomcat.

Neil Obstat said...

The website with an active Video is here:
http://hartberg.graz-seckau.at/videos?d=oster-und-familienmesse

I don't understand German (Austrian?) but I was unable to see any adults with an expression of incredulity in the crowd. Everyone, especially the children, was looking on this as entertainment, a circus act, a studio talk show, Late Night with David Let-me-down.

Now, I know for certain, that if our priest attempted to do anything close to this at our Mass, there would be vehement opposition from the adults in the congregation, first among them being the men, the fathers of families, among whom I am one.

But there in Austria, the only mobile men are two or more holding elaborate cameras position for photo opps, as they hop about the "assembly" as if they are alter-ego bunnies.

Surreal and bizarre.

This is the legacy we are burdened with in the wake of the "clown masses" countenanced by the infamous JPII.

Eugene said...

Are they in communion with the Apostolic See? Why do I even ask...

Barbara said...

Here's proof of the state of EMERGENCY in the Catholic Church!

Athelstane said...

Suddenly, I feel a craving for rabbit stew.

Texana said...

If that is a Catholic "Holy Mass" then I am not Catholic! The Holy Mass of All Ages has my heart and soul by the grace of God!

Hugh said...

Symbolically, "an error has occurred" while I was watching it but I will not try again later.

Hugh said...

Abomination of desolation! they have taken away the red lamp and wonder where have they taken Our Saviour?

Doc said...

This is obviously a terrible abuse of the sacred liturg.

I just wanted to point out that I have noticed in a lot of these threads insuations that only the SSPX must be subject to a doctrinal preamble, etc.

This is not true. All who are ordained to the diaconate or above, plus all who teach or hold certain other offices in the Church, must sign a profession of faith and take an oath (which appears to be similar in substance to the rumors of the preamble, only more restrictive).

See here:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfoath.htm

Pulex said...

I have never doubted that the Easter Bunny is Catholic. I think there is quite a 'consensus patrum' about it. See, for example this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Bunny): "It was first mentioned in Georg Franck von Frankenau's De ovis paschalibus[1] (About Easter Eggs) in 1682[2] referring to an Alsace tradition of an Easter Hare bringing Easter Eggs." I hope, our esteemed Alsaticus can provide more information about this.

Jack said...

I thought the Eastern Bunny was strictly an American custom.

Skypilot Jeff said...

Did anyone else notice the laywoman who opens the tabernacle, looks for something, doesn't find it, then leaves? She's hard to see, since the entire choir(?) is standing in front of the tabernacle. Parallels to Mary Magdalene come to mind...

Anyway, this whole "liturgy" kinda makes the Holy Father's correction of the German bishops on the wording of the consecration seem... small in comparison.

And again, isn't the responsible prelate for this diocese an outspoken advocate of homosexuality?

How long Lord?

Ivan K said...

I bet more than a few kids were traumatized by that costume--it's borderline horror movie material. I hope that the SSPX offers an alternative for people living in that parish, because it's probably better to stay away from the "full communion" option.

Unknown said...

My video response featuring a bunch of hooligans wasting good chocolate. But they sure are imaginative!:

http://youtu.be/ZEDo0H34E5A

Athelstane said...

I also noticed how young the celebrant is. So much for the generational shift.

No, there *is* a generational shift, but it's much more pronounced here in America. The difference between new priests/seminarians now versus 20 (or 30!) years ago is like night and day.

In Europe it seems to be less pronounced. But they've had fewer good bishops and rectors, despite the Pope's efforts. Outside Poland, it's a mixed bag.

In most of Western and Central Europe, the Church has a much longer road back than it does over here, and dissent is more deeply entrenched.

NBW said...

It is so sad to see the Mass treated like an entertainment venue.
The preaching tomcat video was worse; the priest needs to grow up. The seminary that formed these priests should be shut down.

joan said...

Fr. Rodriguez excellent sermon:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9UyiBZda5g

Jim Paton said...

Wow! Hippy communes are taking this whole Gauranga business to a whole new level.

lms rep said...

Where is Elmer Fudd when you need him? Get dat wabbit.

In typical teutonic fashion all those there seem to take it all so seriously - there are some serious (easter) basket cases out there and many more who are happy to follow on. It has a familiar ring to it.

Adfero said...

Does this jackass have to sign a preamble?

P.K.T.P. said...

I did tell our Altar boys that I'd seen the bunny's tracks last year. One of them replied, "Are you trying to humour us?".

Actually, this is not the Bunny. It's Archbishop Müller in his new clerical costume. He thought that the simar looked ridiculous, but he's found the remedy.

P.K.T.P.

Texana said...

Wow! I did not see the entire video until now--the Easter Bunny is leading all the little children down center aisle and out of the Church, just like the Pied Piper of Hamlin! Are they all, adults included, that excited to receive Our Lord as they are for free chocolate?

NIANTIC said...

It seems to me that Austria is invested with these despicable "priests" who make a mockery of the Faith, and therefore of God and His Holy Church. Her Bishops seem to be no better.
In this case I believe the country should be placed under Interdict immediately and a wholesale stable cleaning started. Disgusting spectacle(s).

MJ said...

I feel especially sorry for the older couples in the congregation who came to celebrate the resurrection and were offered wrapped candy instead. As a young person, I can't even imagine what it must have been like to grow up in Catholic Austria and then have your entire heritage and spirituality torn away from you, only to be replaced with productions like this.

Marty Jude said...

How awful ! Sickening. I wouldn't go so far as satanic - but I guess it's part of the 'smoke of satan' drifting through Holy Church, tricking minds, wills, consciences.

It is so unfair that the SSPX have to go through so many hoops, yet egits like this 'priest' and others who encourage the travesties of 'Mass', get away with their serious errors.

Mater Dei, Mater Ecclesia, ora pro nobis

schmenz said...

This is old-hat stuff here in Milwaukee. There are one or two lame-brained priests in the Milwaukee Archdiocese who do this every year, while the noise of crickets emanates from the Chancery.

As far as the venerable Easter bunny himself, I think it is about time we Christians be generous and relinquish our rights to him to another religion. Perhaps he could become the Passover Bunny.

Peterman said...

"How awful ! Sickening. I wouldn't go so far as satanic"

I think that's a fair assessment. I'm sorry for those kid's souls, they're in jeopardy. What a mess. Saint Michael, defend us in battle.

kend said...

Ahh the comments I would like to make..

Pone Domine custodem ori meo serva paupertatem labiorum meorum.

Adriano said...

Poor things, they go to Mass seeking God, and see this charade!

Tom said...

In 1988, Josef Cardinal Ratzinger (His Holiness) declared the following:

"After the Council there were many priests who deliberately raised ‘desacralization’ to the level of a program...they have despoiled the churches as much as they could of that splendor which brings to mind the sacred; and they have reduced the liturgy to the language and the gestures of ordinary life, by means of greetings, common signs of friendship, and such things."

It has been known, of course, for decades within the Apostolic See that "full communion" priests have wrecked the Mass, parishes and the Faith.

The insanity continues...tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, etc., reports of "desacralization" will come our way.

Desacralize the Mass...remain in full communion.

Oh, well.

Tom

Wulfrano Ruiz Sainz said...

And you still wonder why the world will end soon?

Neil Obstat said...

Doc said...

This is obviously a terrible abuse of the sacred liturg[y].

I just wanted to point out that I have noticed in a lot of these threads ins[in]uations that only the SSPX must be subject to a doctrinal preamble, etc.

This is not true. All who are ordained to the d[e]aconate or above, plus all who teach or hold certain other offices in the Church, must sign a profession of faith and take an oath (which appears to be similar in substance to the rumors of the preamble, only more restrictive).

See here:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfoath.htm

27 April, 2012 17:45>


Please recognize this fact:
The "doctrinal preamble" that the Vatican is fulminating about regarding the SSPX has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with any kind of oath of allegiance to right practice or assurance of non-abuse such as would be indicated to prevent the Easter Bunny syndrome. The SSPX never does stupid stuff like this. Don't be ridiculous.

What the Vatican is asking the SSPX to sign on to is in the direction of PROTECTING the practices you see here, inasmuch as the SSPX would be restricted from CRITICIZING such abuse.

That's the scandal. Get it straight. The SSPX is TOO TRADITIONAL for the outlook of ecclesiastics currently in power. They want more liberalism, more unclean spirit of Vatican II, more religious freedom, more tolerance of false creeds, more denial of the supersession of the Old Testament.

In case someone missed it, I said, more denial of the supersession of the Old Testament. Not a typo.

They want the SSPX to promise they won't make waves by crying "foul."

If you think the Easter Bunny syndrome is bad, you should take a look at the Neocatechumenal Way fiascos that just received formal APPROVAL after a 30 year deliberation. Not a knee-jerk reaction. Meticulously considered and APPROVED. They deny the Real Presence, and a long list of defined dogmas. But they're approved, with NO PREAMBLE.

Chef said...

Rabbit stew recipes called for.

Neil Obstat said...

Regarding the EWTN page

Doc said...

http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdfoath.htm


It contains an error. The Nicene Creed was just corrected this past advent to say "consubstantial" instead of "Being" as follows:

"...one Lord, Jesus Christ...true God from true God, begotten not made, one in Being with the Father."

This is a good thing, because the three Persons in the Blessed Trinity are NOT "one in being." They are 3 distinguishable Persons; the Father is not the Son, Son is not the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost is not the Father. We distinguish but we do not separate; to say they are "one in being" is a lie. Therefore the correction is an improvement. This "one in Being" nonsense should never have been there in the first place. More evidence of the unclean spirit of Vatican II.

What they should have in that Oath of Fidelity is the Athanasian Creed. Then we'd be getting some real progress.

Furthermore, the sentence it ends with is another falsehood. Nobody should have to say that they "...adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act."

Religious submission of will and intellect is not required for doctrine that is not defined as such. The problem is that definition per se has been abandoned, for a time, and they're starting to feel the hunger for what's missing.

Neil Obstat said...

NIANTIC said...

It seems to me that Austria is [infested] with these despicable "priests" who make a mockery of the Faith, and therefore of God and His Holy Church. Her Bishops seem to be no better.
In this case I believe the country should be placed under Interdict immediately and a wholesale stable cleaning started. Disgusting spectacle(s).

27 April, 2012 23:54


Yes, NIANTIC, I concur. Something pretty smarmy is going on in the erstwhile bastion of tradition, Austria. I knew Fr. Gregory Hesse personally, who was from Austria. May he rest in peace. He was never reticent regarding the abuses his fellow religious were practicing in his beloved homeland, so he spent the last years of his precious life traveling the world giving lectures. Therefore we are all better off for his efforts, but he has passed away all too soon. I'll never forget his appreciation when I told him that my friend was converted from Protestantism by hearing him speak, and he replied to me that "Now I know, if one soul was saved, that my mission has not been in vain." With those parting words, I was never to see him alive again.

GQ Rep said...

This is not a Catholic Mass. This is a joke. Excuse my language, but this is BS.

Everyone knows what and ho are responsible for this kind of circus. And it is tremendously sad to think that were he alive today, JP II probably would have not objected to this exhibition. His "Masses" were not all that much different many times and in many countries!

The only way that can be stopped is massive disiplinary action against these people. The Pope is off to a good start with regards to the priests in Austria and Ireland, and the radical femminist nuns in the USA. But he has to keep it up.

Replace the lowlife Bishops who alow for priests to do this (all the Bishops in Austria...expecially Schonborn). Replace bishops and supress dioceses in Ireland (like the Vatican is going to do),

If they don't comply, excommunicate the USA nuns and suppress all their Orders.

One month before he became Pope, Benedict XVI spoke of the "rot and filth" in the Church. This is rot and filth, and it needs to be removed,

Hopefully the Pope will do it!

Long-Skirts said...

WATICAN
II
WABBITS

His Blood of the Testament
Eternal and new
He shed for many
He shed for you

But the burning question
Of the day it begs…
Is it for many or all
That the bunny lays eggs??

Anonymous said...

There is a generational shift in Europe too, but the traditional young Catholic men don't make it to the seminary.

It's either this or Pius X.

Peterman said...

"MJ said...
I feel especially sorry for the older couples in the congregation who came to celebrate the resurrection and were offered wrapped candy instead."

Really? I am not sorry for them AT ALL. This likely isn't the first time this thing has gone on at that parish. They should have been down at the bishops office with pitchforks and torches. It's similar with most of the V2 CRAP, it just washed over this generation that is now 60 years + and how many of them did anything to fight it? Well we know some of course fought the good fight and they'll get rewarded next month and in heaven.

The Rev. M. Forbes said...

Letsget picky. The celebrant left the double Alleluias off the dismissal. I was grieved to note the lack of the proper Easter Blessing.

The Bunny had better vestments and a better voice. Had this all been done properly, the bunny should have appeared at the end of Mass, just outside the door. this would have caused huge delight.

I am of the opinion that Santa, the Buunny and the Great Pumpkin, to mention a few, understand that they are for fun. Fun is a consequence of Joy. The Joy is Easter, The Hassen is fun.

Mike+

GQ Rep said...

This crap reminds me of the Mass I went to about 12 years ago, when I was 19. It was a children's Mass to celebrate the time immediatly after then had recieved their Firat Holy Communion, and my youngest cousin, Mariko was among the 2nd grade class being celebrated.

What a "celebration", baloons, streamers, flowers, confetti all around the Church. But the biggest shock was Holy Communion time....the Host were strips of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches cut up into bite size squares. The wine was Welches Grape juice in little paper cups.
So the "priest", an old guy in his 60's was actually "consecrating" peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches and Welches grape juice.

I have never seen a more bizarre Mass that that, before or since.
This article comes close...but not quite.

P.K.T.P. said...

The remedy for the S.S.P.X is simple: dress up the celebrant as the Easter bunny just for the Sermon--just do it for the Sermon, Monseigneur, and all will be well. We shall fully approve your Society.

P.K.T.P.

P.S. By the way, I wonder how the Easter Bunny receives Holy Communion. It can't be in lingua in that costume. It must be in the paw. Just another 'hare-brained' idea. Notice how Mass never breaks out in the home during the Easter egg hunt.

Rodj said...

WWAMLD [What would Archbishop Marcel Lefebrve do?]

Marty Jude said...

Neil Obstat said...
"...What the Vatican is asking the SSPX to sign on to is in the direction of PROTECTING the practices you see here, inasmuch as the SSPX would be restricted from CRITICIZING such abuse..."

- Sorry to say this Neil, but do we actually know what the preamble's about? Sure there
have been Doctrinal talks, and this has been surrounding Vatican II, but so far as I'm aware no official statements. Bishop Fellay agreed with the Vatican to be discreet. There has been a lot of speculation by the media and, naturally, interested peoples, but if you know otherwise, please could you point us to the statements and web-links?

Marty Jude said...

GQ Rep said..."Replace the lowlife Bishops who alow for priests to do this (all the Bishops in Austria...expecially Schonborn). Replace bishops and supress dioceses in Ireland (like the Vatican is going to do)..."

I haven't heard about this. What is the Vatican doing with Ireland? Is it to do with lack of priests/merging parishes, so therefore dioceses too? Or abuses etc.?

GQ Rep said...

Marty Jude:

I sign under the name GQ. As the name might suggest, I'm a male model for GQ magazine...and over the last 4 years, have worked for about 20 others ....but I also have traveled the world alot recently, read alot in different countries, and heard alot...about the Catholic Church. Mostly bad news..unfortunatly.
What I did hear is that the Pope, and the Vatican wish to "supress" most of Ireland's dioceses because of a number of reasons.
1)the priest pedophile crisis
2) the lack of governance of the existing bishops and the structure of the Irish Church
3) the lack of priests
4) the overall corruption of the clergy, exemplified by 6 priests now being either silenced or disiplined by the Pope and CDF for radical liberal views
5) The collapse of Mass attendance.
over the last 30 years, from about 88% in 1979 to about 35% today. The pontificate of J P II (as in most places), did nothing for the Faith in Ireland.

So because of the above reasons, particularly Numbers 1-2-5, the Pope and the Vatican wish to supress the Irish dicosese down from over 25 of today, to about 8.
Of course, the Bishops of Ireland, who are not at all interested in the Catholic Faith but rather in their own prestige, positions, and personal security are fighting this with a vengeance.
It would be ashame to see 16-18 ancient dioceses supressed, but with some with only 80,000 Catholics, or 125,000 of which 15% go to Mass, it's rather ridiculous to keep practically extinct dioceses running. Some of these dioceses which were always small, but had as many as 60-70 seminarians before Vatican II now have 1, or none. So in the Vatican it's seen as bad business to keep them running. Not to mention that no one goes to Church!

So despite the Bishops whinning and acting like spoiled children (really evil children), the Vatican will probably supress more than a dozen or so Irish dioceses.

Also, I should say that there's only 1 diosecean seminary left in Ireland...Maynooth College. It had about 400 seminarians before Vatican II, and was only one of about 18 diosecean seminaries in Ireland before Vatican II. Now it's the only one....and has about 70 students!

Like the USA, you can kiss goodbye all Irish Orders of religious priests, monks, and nuns. They are so liberal, corrupt, and aged (for the same reasons as the USA), that they will soon be extinct....faster than in the USA.

So for those reasons and also others (including the personal corruption and immorality of afew bishops), the Vatican probably within afew years will supress most of the dioceses in Ireland.

Having been in Europe 2x over the last 4 1/2 years, I can unfortunatly testify that I can think of three other countries were the Pope could do the same...for the same reasons.

I'll let everyone speculate which three others are in as bad, or worse shape than Ireland. Should'nt be hard. LOL!

Marty Jude said...

Thanks, GQ Rep. I knew things were bad...but no so bad!!! Travelling the world, you must see/hear/read a lot of interesting things. If you're in England sometime, maybe we could meet up? Would be amazing.

Poor ole St Patrick, Brigid et al. What must they make of it?!

My Dad was Irish Catholic - fortunately he came to england with the family when he was 14. He struggled immensely with all 'the changes' and wouldn't have coped with Ireland in such a state - he only went back once, but didn't attend Mass there, so fortunately missed the destruction [as though GB isn't bad enough, or anywhere. This would have blown his bubble, God Rest him].

BTW any websites with this info on? Or was it from the people you've met?

Anyways, don't forget, if you're in england, let me know, if u want!

Neil Obstat said...

Marty Jude said...

- Sorry to say this Neil, but do we actually know what the preamble's about?

Sure there have been Doctrinal talks, and this has been surrounding Vatican II, but so far as I'm aware no official statements. Bishop Fellay agreed with the Vatican to be discreet. There has been a lot of speculation by the media and, naturally, interested peoples, but if you know otherwise, please could you point us to the statements and web-links?

28 April, 2012 20:05


Fair enough. We don't really know what the Preamble is about, objectively. But we are able to put facts together. I'm sorry to say I have not been keeping track of sources. The SSPX is extremely poker-faced about this whole affair, and that alone is a big clue. Why all the secrecy? There must be something to hide. What could everyone be afraid of? We know the SSPX is afraid of not being regularized. So they're off the hook, so to speak.

Consequently, the demand for secrecy must logically come from Rome, and the SSPX complies in order to protect their prospects of recieving recognition from the authorities. If so, we must ask then, "what is Rome afraid of?"

We could make a short list of the topics that might evoke such call to secrecy. Maybe you can help. Here's my list (do you have any to add?)

Ecumenism
Religious liberty
Respect for false religions
Terrorism
World War III
Offending the Russians
Pederasty in the clergy
Vatican Bank problems
Loss of Papal States via Victor Emmanuel II
Dwindling vocations
The 4 sins that cry to heaven for vengeance
Liturgical abuses
Heresy
The Avignon Captivity
Public, notorious sinners receiving Holy Communion
Politics
The Battle of Lepanto
Further division in the Church
Schism
Accusations of Inciting racial hatred in Germany
The Prophetic Vision of "a bishop dressed in white" from the Third Secret of Fatima

Perhaps some more would be useful.

At some point, we can stop, and go back over the list and eliminate a few that simply don't make the grade. Then we can look at the survivors. And we can think about them.

Any ideas?

One of the things that set Catholics apart from the rest of the world is our ability to think. We don't have to have someone hand us the answers on a silver platter.

IMHO a big clue should be this: which are likely suppressed because revealing them would result in cries of FOUL from the MSM?

Marty Jude said...

Dear Neil Obstat, do you really think the FSSPX are concerned with some of these matters? IMHO, I don't think that Rome would have been willing to discuss some of these matters either...Terrorism/World War III/Vatican Bank problems/Loss of Papal States via Victor Emmanuel II/The Avignon Captivity/
Public, notorious sinners receiving Holy Communion/
Politics/The Battle of Lepanto...???!!!

Archbishop Lefebvre/FSSPX have always maintained 'it is The Mass that matters'...and their concerns re Vat.II / post concilliar reforms. Unless you have 'weighty' contacts in the Vatican or FSSPX who are 'leaking' info., are these perhaps, more fanciful wishes?

I truly don't mean to appear rude, and we all like to speculate, but as Trad's, surely we should only seek The Truth?

I feel the level of discretion is more due to the sensitivity of the interactions on both sides. It would display lack of prudence, risk 'scandal', and likely to cause serious problems all over, if we were allowed to have blow-by-blow accounts. Let's face it, Rome's not usually known for fast resolutions or public statements until there are resolutions.

Neil, you say, "We know the SSPX is afraid of not being regularized"...how do we know this? I am only aware of Bishop Fellay asking for prayers along the lines of 'fiat voluntas Tua'. He has provided words of reassurance, not to compromise, [sorry, don't have the details to hand]. I haven't picked this concern up from sermons at SSPX churches or from the other faithful/parishoners. It seems to me that the feeling is hopeful, but 'what will be, will be'; that God will decide.

Yours in Our Lord, Marty Jude

Anonymous said...

The Easter Bunny exhibition is absolutely stupid, you can see towards the end as he bounds his way to the congregation that the older parishioners were not too amused, by this priest making a tit of himself and distracting from the real purpose of the Mass.
As someone suggested, this nonesense could have been performed in the Church hall or outside area, after Mass.

I hope never to see the likes again.

Neil Obstat said...

Dear Marty Jude,

This exchange might belong in a thread on the Preamble, not the Bunny-Hop Mass.

Perhaps I wasn't as obvious as I could have been:

IMHO, I don't think that Rome would have been willing to discuss some of these matters either...Terrorism/World War III/Vatican Bank problems/Loss of Papal States via Victor Emmanuel II/The Avignon Captivity/Public, notorious sinners receiving Holy Communion/Politics/The Battle of Lepanto...???!!!

It is simply my private opinion that there is likely some thing that Rome A) is unwilling to negotiate, and therefore unwilling to even mention, especially if the MSM might catch wind of it, and B) considers too risky for discussion. I included some impossible things, for the sake of discussion, to show that to crack this conundrum it might help if we think "outside the box." But this discussion doesn't really belong here.

Moderator:
Should this discussion leave this thread and jump to some other thread, or what?

Warren Anderson said...

I love it when wayward priests and looney parishes post their wacky antics for all the world to see, especially for the Vatican to see. Heretics are so easy to ridicule. It's like hunting turtles for sport. Apologies to all the turtles and keepers of turtles out there.

Such videos, as sickening as they are, will become the "how-not-to" videos in the hopefully not to distant future. I'm fairly confident, given the trajectory set by the Holy Father and the signs of renewal sifting into the consciousness of Catholics via the web, that within a few generations the majority of Catholics will look back at this time with a sense of perplexity: How could they let things get so bad?

Neil Obstat said...

W. A. said...


Such videos, as sickening as they are, will become the "how-not-to" videos in the hopefully not to distant future.


...and in the meantime, they serve as "How-To" videos for such ilk as the NeoCatechumenal Way. "Can you top this?" is the challenge.