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Rome-SSPX - Important: Fellay speaks on Pentecost Sunday

In the course of a long sermon pronounced on Pentecost Sunday in Villepreux, France, during the pilgrimage of priests and faithful to Orléans (not Paris this year, in celebration of the 600th anniversary of the birth of St. Joan of Arc), the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, had some words on current affairs with Rome. The general context of the sermon is the birth of the Church in Pentecost and trust in Divine Providence when all seems lost, as they seemed in Joan's France, even if (and especially because) the future is unknown.

We transcribe below our translation of the portion of the sermon dealing with such matters, and apologize in advance for any mistakes. The general oral tone and sense of the words were kept as much as possible.

Another thing very similar is the lamentable, almost despairing, situation, not of a country, but of the Church, the Church, the Bride of Christ in such a situation! Who could imagine it? The demolition, the blows suffered, for, by and following the Council, they're there, right before us. Sad. Lamentable. We dare to think, "how will the Church rise again?" And, we dare say, humanly, it's over. But we don't have the right of saying "humanly" when we talk about the Church, because the Church remains, she remains, the Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ. And, even if we see her in this lamentable state, we don't have the right to associate this lamentable state with the Church and then say, "the Church is no more". No! The Church remains, but as if disfigured, as if having generalized cancer, and we have this certitude that she will rise again. ...

When we say that Rome would like to give us a canonical  recognition, we are filled with mistrust. By seeing the way with which the authorities have treated Tradition and all that have a little bit of a traditional sentiment, or traditional leanings, when we see how they have been treated, we are filled with mistrust. And even with fear. Fear of the future, and we say, "but how will this be possibly done?" But do we have the right of feeling this way? Aren't they real, very true, feelings, and too human?...

Certainly, it is necessary to act with all prudence, certainly, by analyzing the dangers, by seeing if it is possible or not, but up to now, my dear brethren, we may say that a certain direction seems to appear, that might say that it might perhaps be possible that we be recognized, that we continue, but, up to this moment, I don't have, I myself, all the elements, one could say, the final elements, that may allow me to say, "yes or no". And thus up until today, and well that's where we are . ... That's all of it. If we have elements that are sufficient for deciding that, yes, it is possible, well then, we can reach the conclusion. And if we reach the conclusion that, no, it isn't possible, it's too dangerous, then, no, it's impossible, this cannot go on. And we'll say "no". That's it. It is not we who will try to impose upon the Good God our decision, our will. On the contrary, we try to search, by way of events, things that go on, what is His will, what does He want, the Good God? It is so surprising that we reach this point. It was not we who looked for it. Today, at least I reach this certainty, that the one who wants to recognize the Society is, in the end [bel et bien], the Pope. I see that, in Rome, everyone is not of the same mind. In Rome and elsewhere. But the Pope, yes. And then will he go until the end? Will he give in when faced with pressure, with opposition? ... Let us pray, let us continue to pray, let us ask for this light for all. That we may remain very united. Because it is true that such a decision, and it is also one of the reasons for this fear, it implies such a change of perspective... . From some parts we hear, "is that possible?" With all the elements I have in my hands, I say, "yes, it seems possible to me", but, once again, with the condition that we are left free to act. It seems clear that, if we are wanted, it is to reintroduce Tradition in the Church, if we can speak like this. Therefore not for us only, but also for all the Church, so that the whole Church may gain from it, from this magnificent thing, the Christian life.

There are certainly lots of questions, that remain open. This question of a non-entente on certain points of the Council, we are not in agreement. It is precisely this that is surprising: why then, why then offer us this path, there must well be a reason. ... the reason is this state of the Church. 

[Source: French original audio and image: DICI] A 17-minute English summary of the sermon was delivered in the end, following the much longer French sermon (comments on current affairs begin at 13:12).

32 comments:

Joe Potillor said...

The Pope is very much alone in this fight...let us pray

Pilgrim said...

"God does not want sacrifices, the prophet Samuel told King Saul, but he does want obedience to his will: "Doth the Lord desire holocausts and victims,and not rather that the voice of the Lord should be obeyed? For obedience is better than sacrifices; and to hearken, rather than to offer the fat of rams. Because it is like the sin of witchcraft to rebel; and like the crime of idolatry to refuse to obey [4] ." The man who follows his own will independently of God's, is guilty of a kind of idolatry. Instead of adoring God's will, he, in a certain sense, adores his own."(Saint Alphonsus)

Francis said...

IMO the modernists will fight until the end to keep the Church as it has been for the last fifty years (e.g. the promotion of religious relativism, indifferentism, syncretism social justice etc) at the expense of two-thousand years of de-fide Catholic dogma and doctrine. The forces of darkness inside and outside of the Church are going all out to try to derail this agreement with the SSPX. The Holy Father needs our prayers. IMO these people will do ANYTHING to ANYONE who promotes traditional Catholicism and who bucks the conciliar religion. May the Holy Ghost bless, guide and protect the Holy Father.

P.K.T.P. said...

There is little to say from this. The Pope wants to recognise the S.S.P.X; some powerful prelates in the curia and among the local cardinals-bishops do not. The buck stops with the Pope. Pray for the Pope.

From these words, one does not get the sense that Bishop Fellay knows if the Pope has already signed something yesterday or will soon sign something or will never sign something. One does not get the sense that any message has reached him on a recognition.

P.K.T.P.

Hark the Harold said...

Well said Francis!!!
I have to believe that, unlike JP1., he has had some few that could be trusted around him, besides his cook, from the get go or he wouldn't have survived S. P. let alone the voiding of the excommunications. This isn't By happenstance!!!
Remember the line from his first sermon as Pope???!!
" Pray for me that I not flee for fear of the wolves"!!!
He knows who dances in the shadows............times as the are...............this may very well be a blowing of Gondors horn...........who are we not to answer the call???!!.........or will we just air on our high and mighties and say........"Where was Benedict when they said the true Mass was outlawed???!!........ Where was Benedict when they called us schismatic???!!.........Where was Benedict.................

Tom said...

A few weeks ago, more than a few posters to this blog declared that Rome and the SSPX had entered into a "done deal."

Rome and the Society were simply preparing the Faithful for the agreement into which Rome and the Society had entered.

Perhaps said posts had lulled certain folks into inaction as far as prayer was concerned.

How many Catholics had ceased to pray for peace between Rome and the Society as they believed in posters who had jumped the gun in regard to an "agreement" that had not been signed?

Bishop Fellay was correct to have warned against know-it-alls who
had commented knowingly upon Rome-SSPX talks.

Tom

Peterman said...

"if we are wanted, it is to reintroduce Tradition in the Church"

Isn't that the truth. Some people attending these NO masses are so far gone I'm not sure how it will be re built. Recently at a NO mass the priest said at the end "pray for us o holy mother of God" and the at least half the people had NO CLUE how to respond.

It's going to take a reeducation from square one.

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Brother Juniper said...

And I can think of no better way for the Church to rise again than through the work of its faithful servants. If the Pope makes a generous offer, it is then the duty of the Society to make a generous response for the good of the Church and not to fracture in protest.

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rodrigo said...

Very disturbing.

BroHenry said...

From Dom Gueranger's Whit Monday,
Gift of Godliness:

"His Faith is unhesitating and fervent. Affectionately docile to the Church he is always in the disposition of mind to abandon his most cherished ideas the moment he discovers them to be in any way out of harmony with her teaching or practice for he has an instinctive horror of novelties and insubordination." End of quote.

The unGodly clearly have a love for "novelties and insubordination."

The Godly man must avoid the devil's lie:
"A horror of novelties and a right(or duty) to insubordination."

I am not Spartacus said...

Yes, the Church is in bad shape, that is quite obvious but not novel.

From The Raccolta, Prayer to Saint Michael:

... This wicked serpent, like an unclean torrent, pours into men of depraved minds and corrupt hearts the poison of his malice, the spirt of lying, impiety and blasphemy, and the deadly breath of impurity and every form of vice and iniquity. These crafty enemies of mankind have filled to overflowing with gall and wormwood the Church, which is the Bride of the Lamb without spot; they have laid profane hands upon her most sacred treasures...

Go to The Hoy City of Rome and wage war against the new theologians face-to-face and toe-to-toe.

Just do it.

It is the will of the Holy Ghost, Bishop Fellay, and you know it.

Edgar said...

The link Rodrigo put to a La Stampa's article is indeed very disturbing. We really need to pray for our Holy Father so that Our Lord will give him strength, prudence and wisdom so he can handle all the internal fighting among his subordinates.

Knight of Malta said...

rodrigo, interesting link.

Remember it was from Christ's inner-circle that he was betrayed.

Once the interrogations of Paolo come to light (as they will) it will be interesting to see who the co-conspirators were.

Connie said...

When Bishop Fellay asks the question, "Do we have the right to feel this way" referring to these all too "human" feelings and emotions that are running rampant among some in the SSPX, the answer is "No" not as a follower of Christ and his Church, you do not have that "right."

Furthermore, no one has a "right" to publicly display dissention such as Bishop Williamson has done in his last Eleison Comments. No one has the "right" to publically announce from the pulpit a "War on" as Fr. Chazal (SSPX) did yesterday in Korea both of which are meant to incite dissension and stir up the emotions of the faithful pitting Catholic against Catholic.

Yesterday was Pentecost, wherein we celebrated the birth of the Church and the coming of the Holy Spirit. There is definitely a "spirit" working amongst some of the SSPX clergy and laity today but it is not the Holy Spirit. How do I know this?

"For the flesh has desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you may not do what you want....Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness,idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions,occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity,faithfulness,gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit. Let us not be conceited, provoking one another, envious of one another..." Galations 5:16-26

St. Paul warns that those who continue to "bite and devour" one another will be consumed by that desire.

William said...

In regard to rodrigo's link:

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE84R0AS20120528

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi..."strongly denied Italian newspaper reports, quoting insiders who had themselves leaked documents, that a cardinal was among those being investigated over the scandal, which has been dubbed "Vatileaks".

"I categorically deny that any cardinal, Italian or otherwise, is a suspect," Lombardi said, adding that the pope was being kept fully informed of the case.

"Lombardi played down the depth of the scandal, which has caused a frenzy in the Italian press, saying talk that it was linked to an internal power struggle was "exaggerated"."

New Catholic said...

The most ordinary explanation often is the true one.

Tracy Hummel said...

I am relieved to read these comments of Bishop Fellay. They are more reserved and balanced than the recent CNA interview (which almost certainly was edited). I think at this point it would be good to read (or reread) the excellent article by John Vennari, SSPX "Regularization" - Not as Easy as You Think: http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page28/sspx-regularization-1001questions.html. There are many details to be ironed out and I hope that any agreement that will be reached will specifically address them, because unless these points are not spelled out there will be trouble.

RogerThat said...

I really think Bp. Fellay has a direct phone line to His Holiness, the Pope.

lily said...

Rogerthat:

You have no idea how correct you are on that!

Kat said...

Perhaps someone here knows enough about the history of the Church and papacy to explain this:

I would love to know why everythng has to be done through subordinates? Why can't Pope Benedict and Bishop Fellay have dinner together, talk for hours, and figure it all out. HE is the Vicar, HE is Christ's representative. Yes, there are bureaucracies, but it was not how Christ established the Church; they grew.

So somebody buy them a private meal, and let them talk and talk and leave the beaurocrats out!
I know this is unrealistic, but I would like someone to explain to me WHY it is not permitted.

Thanks!

lily said...

Kat:
It is not unrealistic. In fact,Bishop Fellay and Pope Benedict are friends. Bishop Fellay has been a guest at the "summer residence" of the pope. Given the times we are in, it is not a surprise to know that the pope actually regards Bishop Fellay as a confidant. It has been this way longer than people would guess.

Marty Jude said...

lily said...
Kat:
"It is not unrealistic. In fact,Bishop Fellay and Pope Benedict are friends. Bishop Fellay has been a guest at the "summer residence" of the pope. Given the times we are in, it is not a surprise to know that the pope actually regards Bishop Fellay as a confidant. It has been this way longer than people would guess."

Hi Kat, how do you know this? What's your source? Especially..."It has been this way longer than people would guess."

Marty Jude said...

Hi Kat, I'm sorry...I should have addressed my question to lily!!!

Anonymous said...

Peterman wrote: "Recently at a NO mass the priest said at the end "pray for us o holy mother of God" and the at least half the people had NO CLUE how to respond."

It could be worse. Back when I attended NO masses, one of the priests systematically refrained from referring to Mary as mother of God. He would always substitute some other phrase, sounding pious but never acknowledging her divine maternity. I don't know whether he was Nestorian or creative or both. In any case, I'm glad I got out of there.

Andreas

mfbg said...

mfbg said: Kat: Collegiality, thanks to Vat II. Something the Leo's, the Gregory's and the Pius's didn't have to worry about. Refer to many of Bishop Fellay's recorded speeches available on 'Traditional Catholic Media.com-see all uploads' in which he demonstrates the power of the Pope with his hands as the size of a folder atop a desk, no more than that. Benedict himself asks for prayers 'that I don't fall prey to the wolves'. Most young priests start out as holy men, but then some become monsignors, bishops, some few cardinals. Pity those cardinals who are assigned to high places in the Vatican because power corrupts. Here is where the wolves are to be found. And these wolves, shaped as they are by the excesses of the spirit of the revolutionary council, do not want what the Pope and the Bishop want.

Lily said...

Marty:

I do hope my comment to Kat did not imply that I am somehow on the "inner circle" of the SSPX holding secrets. No, no. I just have been active in the SSPX for 15 years, know a number of the priests and seminarians, and have been in attendance at dinners and events where the bishops have been. To be sure, Fellay has a cordial relationship with and access to this pope. It is said that Pope Benedict has visited the Econe seminary, but I do not know for sure. My information as stated comes from priests who are at liberty to speak what they have heard from their superiors. More than anything I have said, you can see on Bishop Fellay's face, in his most recent interviews posted, a sincere affection for this pope. Please read Msgr. Bux open letter to the SSPX bishops and priests from April 20. It is rumored that the letter was penned by Pope Benedict himself, and signed by Bux. The language speaks for itself. "The pope's heart trembles..."

Carl said...

The SSPX understandably wants freedom to act as they have. A number of bishops think this implies dissent to the Magisterium. Everyone seems to admit that doctrinal differences remain. So it goes to the pope. And I'm frankly not sure what are the pope's thoughts and motivation.

It seems unlikely to me that he wants to reconcile with SSPX in order to give them a mandate to reform the Church. Rather, it seems more likely to me that he wants to correct what went wrong in 1988 before he himself dies and a less sympathetic Cardinal becomes Pope causing this thing to linger on interminably. Does he see SSPX's criticism of Vatican II as legitimate or erroneous? I have no idea, but it seems to me that the answer to that question will have more to do with his decision than the backroom machinations of diabolical modernists.

Anonymous said...

Laßt uns beten für unseren Papst Benedikt XVI. Der Herr erhalte ihn und stärke ihn und mache ihn glücklich auf Erden und übergebe ihn nicht in die Hände seiner Feinde! Vater unser... Gegrüßest seist du, Maria... Herr, unser Gott! Vereinige unser Gebet mit dem Gebet des Heiligen Vaters und nimm es gnädig an! Alles, was er heute von Dir erbittet, das erbitten wir mit ihm. Wenn er sich als Opfer der Liebe anbietet für sein Volk, dann wollen wir uns mit ihm vereinigen und opfernde Sühnekraft für ihn und die heilige Kirche Gottes erbitten. Amen

Marius Augustin, Poing, Germany

Marty Jude said...

Lily said...
"Marty:

I do hope my comment to Kat did not imply that I am somehow on the "inner circle" of the SSPX holding secrets. No, no. I just have been active in the SSPX for 15 years, know a number of the priests and seminarians, and have been in attendance at dinners and events where the bishops have been. To be sure, Fellay has a cordial relationship with and access to this pope. It is said that Pope Benedict has visited the Econe seminary, but I do not know for sure. My information as stated comes from priests who are at liberty to speak what they have heard from their superiors. More than anything I have said, you can see on Bishop Fellay's face, in his most recent interviews posted, a sincere affection for this pope. Please read Msgr. Bux open letter to the SSPX bishops and priests from April 20. It is rumored that the letter was penned by Pope Benedict himself, and signed by Bux. The language speaks for itself. "The pope's heart trembles..."

Dear Lily, your comments appear ambiguous to me: part statements, but also non-committal. It also seemed to me you were implying, nay, in fact, stating you knew that, "...Given the times we are in, it is not a surprise to know that the pope actually regards Bishop Fellay as a confidant. It has been this way longer than people would guess."

I too attend SSPX churches/Mass Centres [have done so since the 80's], but then I keep on the periphery, just chatting over breakfast/tea after Mass.

Sorry, but I think we should be careful to only state facts and not exaggerate or pretend we know more than we do. I'm sorry if this doesn't relate to you.

Yours in Our Blessed Lord