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Cardinal Burke: "with the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI and Bp. Fellay this reconciliation can take place"

Speaking to the Catholic News Service of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (CNS) in an interview recorded a few hours ago, Cardinal Burke has remarkable words on the ongoing process:



It is to be hoped that Cardinal Burke will personally intervene in this matter. Once again, as it happened in the case of the almost-full-approval of the Neocatechumenal liturgy, dark and hidden agents in the Curia could perhaps be trying to distort the will and words of the Holy Father, and good men like His Eminence may have to act forcefully.

54 comments:

Scott Quinn said...

Wow,very encouraging. I see these words as sending a message to the SSPX that we will indeed have allies in high places.

The Postmodernist said...

I think the reconciliation will take a little longer. More dialogue and clarifications needed on both sides. But of course, the Holy Spirit can certainly speed up things - or speed up speculators to patience. Fiat voluntas tua.

Francis said...

IMHO Cardinal Burke is one of the good guys in the Curia. I don't think it will happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing Cardinal Burke occupying the chair of St. Peter someday.

viva il papa said...

Please, God, that we may be looking at our next Pope after a long reign for Papa Benedetto.

EF1974 said...

Something tells me that it will be made official on 07/07/12, 5 years to the day of the release of the Motu Proprio of 07/07/07.

JMJ Ora Pro Nobis said...

Interesting talk, the 'obedience' section was a bit troubling however.

porys said...

@ EF1974 - or 12/12/12 - also nice date :-)

Fred said...

With leadership like Pope Benedict, Cardinal Burke and Bishop Fellay, these are good days for Tradition in the Church. Might the faithful rise to follow them in generous multitudes!

Peter said...

Most significantly, the Cardinal in this interview reiterates the all important phrase "with the help of God's grace.

Yes, the Pope is close to Bishop Fellay's thinking. Yes, Bishop Fellay is close to the Pope's thinking. And, yes, regrettably, (but not surprisingly,) there are baleful influences at work within the Church , even in the Curia.

But all things are possible with God's grace !

With God's grace and in God's good time, this will happen.

That's all we need to know, all we need to pray for.

Banzai said...

The Archbishop held his ground for Tradition. Now at least one of the SSPX bishops is holding his ground for unity with the Church founded by Jesus Christ. I hope some of the other three join their superior.
I wouldn't hold my breath for Williamson to do so, he is too proud.

Banzai, from the Louisiana Oil Patch

BroHenry said...

Two vital words by the Cardinal;
Reconciliation and Obedience.
Thus maintaining the Divine Authority and Dignity of the Chair of Saint Peter.

Alan Aversa said...

God bless Card. Burke. He was the first cardinal, to my knowledge, to urge all Catholics to pray for the reconciliation of Rome with the SSPX.

Matthew said...

I was struck by these two comments, coming as they do from the curia's chief jurist:

"The people have the Faith. They have the Catholic Faith…"

"... they will be directly under his [the Pope's] governance ..."

Prof. Basto said...

JMJ: Interesting talk, the 'obedience' section was a bit troubling however.

I cannot agree. In my opinion, there is nothing troubling with the 'obedience' section.

The good Cardinal even recognizes that the problem of obedience exists elsewhere in the Church (the atheist nuns and the marxist bishops come to mind when I hear the Cardinal's words).

So, I tought it was a very positive interview, and that the obedience section was very balanced.

Alan Aversa said...

@JMJ Ora Pro Nobis: How do you know His Eminence was directing "the 'obedience' section" toward the SSPX? He's more likely directing it towards the Modernists.

Drew said...

And so it begins! The good and holy Cardinal Burke has fired the first salvo for reconciliation/Tradition. Will Cardinal Ranjith and others follow suit? I pray and hope so - that will mean the world to us who are attached to Tradition. As well, their visible support will send a clear signal that Tradition is here to stay. Not to mention those Modernist bishops and their ilks might get some fatal panic attacks!

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us!

P.K.T.P. said...

I could set aside my dislike of American accents if only more of our southern neighbours were like this great man. How could he possibly be from the same country as his confrere cardinal over in the C.D.F.?

P.K.T.P.

Now admit it, N.C., you are deliberately trying to destroy our eyesight with these robot-checkers.

poeta said...

What His Eminence says about obedience and the SSPX is that it "will become much more concrete" when they are directly under the Pope's governance. That doesn't sound like an insult because he doesn't imply that the obedience isn't there now; just that the obedience is necessarily more abstract while their canonical situation is irregular.

Brian said...

The good Cardinal even recognizes that the problem of obedience exists elsewhere in the Church (the atheist nuns and the marxist bishops come to mind when I hear the Cardinal's words).

Is it fair to equate the disobedience of the SSPX with that of atheist nuns and marxist bishops? I think not.

P.K.T.P. said...

Postmodernist:

I agree with your assessment but point out that, in the previous communiqué (not the one of yesterday), it was noted that the Pope might recognise them *before* all the negotiations are completed for regularisation. This may not mean just a separation between the doctrinal 'principles and criteria', on the one hand, and the canonical structure, on the other. Clearly, Cardinal Levada was saying that the Pope might 'do something' before the C.D.F. has finished all the needed negotiations on *both* subjects.

Again, presumably, the Pope could recognise the Society as Catholic and then grant its priests temporary faculties pending the conclusion of a full agreement. I think that there is a need at this point to 'get past' the recognition part. So what would a recognition alone mean, without the faculties being permanent? It would mean a public recognition, valid in universal law, that their Masses fulfil the Sunday obligation. I pray that this will be Step One.

I think that all the parties concerned want at least something to be gained soon. These documents have been bounced back and forth too much. Something must come of that process soon or we shall all go mad.

P.K.T.P.

P.K.T.P. said...

Matthew notes:

" they will be directly under his [the Pope's] governance"

Yes, no matter which structure is chosen in the end, they will be directly subject to the Holy See.

P.K.T.P.

Drew said...

I don't always agree with what PKTP is saying but this time I'm on his side that NC is deliberately trying to make us all blind with his robot-spellers.

:-)

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New Catholic said...

I have no control over the format of the spam-preventing codes, they are Blogger's new version. On the other hand, it is never bad to have an option to think things over and carefully before one clicks on the "publish" button.

The Sacred Heart's supplicant said...

"Veni Sancte Spiritus". . .His Eminance, Cardinal Burke's words are a sincere sign of the Holy Spirit's inspiration of his soul. He says:

"WITH the HELP of GOD'S GRACE, with the leadership of the Holy Father and Bishop Fellay, this reconciliation can take place and be really a GIFT for the WHOLE CHURCH."

The Eternal High Priest, the Sacred Heart Himself, has given this sign of His Omnipotent Charity.

"Veni Sancte Spiritus". . ."That they all may be one as Thou, Father, in Me, and I in Thee; that they also may be one in Us; that the world may believe that Thou has sent Me." John 17:21

Carl said...

Prof. Basto and JMJ - I think WHAT is troubling about the "obedience section" is the lack of understanding that it betrays. Note the way Fr. Rostand speaks of obedience in the second part of his interview:


"The Society of St. Pius X following after Archbishop Lefebvre has never taken a sedevacantist position, where we would say there is no pope anymore, and so on. So whenever the pope asks us something where there is no reason to not obey, well, we have to obey. There is no choice. When the faith is not in question, when it is not something that goes against moral principles, well, it's a recognition of the visibility of the Church."


Fr. Rostand seems to express here the pervasive attitude of the Society as a whole. It therefore troubles me to hear Cardinal Burke imply that there might be something deficient in the Society's sense of obedience. The Society's legitimate concerns and criticisms is too often confused with the inflammatory rhetoric that we sometimes hear from certain sectors of the Society, and BOTH are too often confused with "disobedience."


There is nothing "disobedient" about clinging to holy traditions that are everywhere being abandoned. And although it is wrong and makes matters worse rather than better, it is not "disobedient" to injudiciously shoot one's mouth off in the face of such scandal. I am disturbed by his assertion that "there must be a change in thinking and acting."


It is very good and edifying, however, to hear the Cardinal speak well of the leadership of not only the Pope but also Bishop Fellay. It is also wonderful to hear him affirm that "the people [of SSPX] have the faith" and inexpressibly wonderful to hear him say that the reconciliation "can be a gift for the whole Church."

The Sacred Heart's supplicant said...

"Veni Sancte Spiritus". . .When we listen to His Eminence, Cardinal Burke, speak about obedience, his words are humbly a clear recognition of the URGENT NEED for the SSPX to set the example for the WHOLE Church. He says:

"There will have to be a change in the way of things by which obedience to the Holy Father becomes much more concrete. They [SSPX] will be DIRECTLY under his [the Vicar of Christ's] governance. . .The challenge of obedience is in the WHOLE CHURCH, so I think that we can ALL LEARN FORM THIS [the SSPX's humble obedience to the Sovereign Pontiff himself].

The Eternal High Priest is the pristine example of the Priesthood. His life is flawless. "He humbled Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross."

The Sacred Heart has verbally clarified His Will: "This is My COMMANDMENT, that you love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

With the grace of God, may the Vicar of Christ and H.E. Bishop Fellay prostrate themselves before Christ, Our King, imploring that His Will be done in their lives despite all difficulties - for the Honor and Glory of the Holy Trinity and the salvation of the souls for whom they are responsible before Him at Judgment.

"Veni Sancte Spiritus" through the intercession of the Queen of Martyrs kneeling at the Throne of her Son, the Sacred Heart.

Yippee! said...

Wow! That was great! Very cool that he also recognized all the disobedience going on "inside" the Church right now too! I hope the reconciliation will bring a better tomorrow for our children!

MKT said...

Amen to that Cardinal Burke!

Thanks for being a high profile voice to what all the faithful have believed for a very long time.

Carl said...

I apologize for the double spacing and the grammatical mistake: "The Society's legitimate concerns and criticisms ARE ..."

JMJ Ora Pro Nobis said...

I agree with Carl, on the other hand he may have been misquoted etc.. much as +Fellay was, but if not, with friends like these...

a fellow concerned Catholic said...

To Carl:

With gratitude for your increasingly clear perspective with instructive articulation, the rest of this day is a sacrifice and prayer especially imploring the Sacred Heart's Mercy toward you and yours.

Regarding His Eminence, Cardinal Burke's words on obedience, please try to listen to him again. It is possible you missed the real message of his humble sincerity of concern for the WHOLE CHURCH. This should allay your concerns which you expressed: "It therefore troubles me to hear Cardinal Burke imply that there might be something deficient in the Society's sense of obedience."

Pax Christi!

Uncle Claibourne said...

Yes, hopefully, His Eminence will be only the first of many to come forward publicly to support the agreement. Bishop Fellay has referred several times to the Society's "friends in high places," but it's not appropriate for him to name names. This is a wonderful time for them to start coming forward on their own, with their words of encouragement and support!

Reluctant Pessimist said...

"Brilliant!!!"

Oh? I would have called the remark "predictable." Not to mention childishly solipsistic, especially on a day when we should be giving thanks for the ordination of half a dozen more SSPX priests, one of whom, as was noted yesterday, is the son of one of this blog's regular commenters.

Levada's drunken belly said...

I agree: there are very wise and well-intentioned men involved and that, plus above all the Holy Ghost, is reason for us to hope.

Peterman said...

Good old Cardinal Burke, our Irish American representative at the top. When I see Cardinal Burke he looks like he could be an uncle. I like to think that Pope Benedict listens to the fools, then listens to Cardinal Burke to get the straight info.

CPK said...

What is most significant to me is that HE Cardinal Burke clearly speaks of his hope that after its recognition, the Society can be a greater good influence on the Church; and I think we may infer from his emphasis on the work of the Society that the "high-up" thinking in the Vatican is that the proposed recognition is not for the sake of the Society or its members, but for the health of the whole church.

Not Blind said...

Neos always talk of obedience. But obedience to what? We're bound only to obedience to that which conforms to the true teaching of the Church. If anyone, including a pope, demands obedience to that which is contrary to the immemorial teaching of the Church, then we have a duty to disobey.

Thus the errors of Vatican II must be rejected.

Mike B. said...

This connection is an attempt at in depth analysis.

http://tinyurl.com/cgxmdd2

speaks to what the readers of Der Spiegel actually know while we focus on more accurate analysis but very less known by most Catholics.
Yet actual criticism of the character and integrity of Pope Benedict is not present even in anti Catholic secular media.

Matt said...

If His Eminence has any insight into this Matter, then, as Scott said, it would seem to be very encouraging. This is also good in that hopefully +Burke can help enforce the protections for the SSPX. He can only rule though on cases coming before the Signatura, not in a ministerial way like the Curia.

an inquiring, grateful soul said...

To Reluctant Pessimist and/or New Catholic:

Could you clarify "Reluctant Pessimist's" words? I obviously missed what is being referred to and find it interesting. "ordination of half a dozen more SSPX priests, one of whom, as was noted yesterday, is the son of one of this blog's regular commenters."

A Regular commenter has a newly ordained son. Reverential congratulations are in order to whom?

Supertradmum said...

Pray it happens soon, as the momentum could be lost. Praying and fasting.

Pilgrim said...

Bishop Fellay has made it clear that Rome must accept the Society as it is. The fact that they included the words "errors of the council" in their response demonstrated their firmness in that position, and was done purposely.

The Vatican didn't allow it, and if the Society won't budge it doesn't look good.

Can someone with knowledge of the situation explain to me why the first five points in the 88 protocol aren't used for the preamble? Lefebvre signed it.

Hugh said...

"that a man lay down his life for his friends.."

Hopefully, he does not compromise The Faith in so doing. Modern concepts of love have a troubling habit of doing this.
I certainly hope that the structural outcome of any process here will not compromise The Society's mission to restore all things in Christ - liturgy, pastoral practices et al.

Hugh said...

"The people have the Faith. They have the Catholic Faith…"


All post-conciliar eccelsiastical surveys demonstrate that the people are losing The Faith: viz. Transubstantiation; absolute need for individual forgiveness of sin in Confession; birth-control; etc. The understanding most catholics have of The Faith is not in accord with magesterial teaching. Even bishops and priests are teaching contrary to The Faith.
The best chnace of keeping The Faith is contained in the teachings and advice of many saints - obey what is consistently taught by The Church in its Sacred Traditions.

someone said...

http://www.facebook.com/events/438003356221300/ receive tomorrow, Sunday, Holy Communion for good decision for the whole Church of bishop Fellay and a final reconciliation

Alsaticus said...

Pilgrim said...

Bishop Fellay has made it clear that Rome must accept the Society as it is. The fact that they included the words "errors of the council" in their response demonstrated their firmness in that position, and was done purposely.

The Vatican didn't allow it, and if the Society won't budge it doesn't look good.

Can someone with knowledge of the situation explain to me why the first five points in the 88 protocol aren't used for the preamble? Lefebvre signed it.

____________

The answer is easy : Abp Lefebvre removed his signature a night after.

I think the draft of the Preamble is probably closer to the document cardinal Hoyos tried to impose on Bp Fellay in 2008.

Moreover it seems the Preamble goes beyond the technicalities of 1988 Protocol to address a general hermeneutics of the Counciliar documents and the post-counciliar magisterium.

I salute cardinal Burke stepping forward in this context after the anti-trads gathered in the CDF plenaria and cardinal Koch accepted to be the spokesman of the trad-hating lobby within the Curia and some European episcopates. It's an important signal for the pope not to flinch.

HOWEVER we must be aware of a growing fear among Society priests and faithful because they realize how bad the Personal Prelature - on the 1982 O.D. model - can be.
This status is BAD without amendments for the Society especially in order to give canonical guaranties to local apostolates and possibilities of expansion.

Bp Fellay and his council plus pope Benedict XVI, if i can say so, would be wise to provide details and guaranties rather quickly to stop this epidemy of fear that is already voiced by some French Society priests. Bp Tissier de Mallerais was also underlining this aspect.

Cardinal Burke who is a Canon lawyer in chief could help.

Alsaticus

Pray for priests said...

@Hugh

Those were my first thoughts when viewing the video but of which people does he speak? The laity of the visible church or the Catholic Faithful of the SSPX? If it is the former, the video is quite disturbing but if the latter, it is quite encouraging. I do believe he speaks of the thousands upon thousands of Society Faithful, otherwise the video would be absurd.

JFM said...

Meanwhile, The Jesuits...

Obedience? Can anyone in Rome even mouth the word with straight face. The SSPX people have the integrity to take words at face value, hence their hesitancy. I am honestly not sure Rome now even has the integrity to really know what to do with such people who do not hide behind opaque screens of linguistic patterns.

The Divine Master's student said...

To Hugh who said...
"that a man lay down his life for his friends.."

"Hopefully, he does not compromise The Faith in so doing. Modern concepts of love have a troubling habit of doing this."

Our Divine Master's words will NOT be misunderstood by H.E. Bishop Fellay. Please be assured of this and utilize greatest caution in even subtily undermining the Omnipotent strength of Incarnate Wisdom's words by worried reflections.

Courage - Christ will Triumph!

True Obedience's clarifier said...

To JFM:

True Obedience has been misunderstood by its misapplication in multitudes of lives.

True Obedience is absolute adherence to the Signified Will of the Holy Trinity which IS revealed by: "the commandments of GOD and the CHURCH and the duties of our state in life." (Dom Lehodey in Holy Abandonment Ch.III) Therefore, under the duties of our state in life, the words of our superior manifest the Will of God to us as long as they do NOT conflict with "the commandments of God and the Church."

Blind Obedience without prudence is NEVER Willed by the Holy Trinity.(Ch. VI)

His Eminence, Cardinal Burke's words seem to protect the SSPX by these words: "They will be DIRECTLY under his [the Holy Father's] governance". Then he appears to acknowledge the grave need of the SSPX's support of the Holy Father to correct the wide spread refusal to adhere to his words of correction and reform:" The challenge of obedience is in the WHOLE CHURCH, so I think that we can ALL LEARN FORM THIS [the SSPX's humble obedience to the Sovereign Pontiff himself].

May the Holy Spirit Himself reveal the Will of the Holy Trinity to the Holy Father and Bishop Fellay as well as other significant supportive fellow "servants of Christ".

Matthew Rose said...

an inquiring, grateful soul:

The reader's name, I do believe, is one John McFarland; his son and now Fr., shares the same name.

Hugh said...

"by worried reflections'

Absurd! neither is it undermining. This is based on mature reflections and observations over the post-conciliar years. We have witnessed many who counted themselves traditional lose the vision of what is orthodox for that which subtly modernist. It is in the liberal mind. It then turns to what undermines tradition itself.

The Divine Master's student said...

To Hugh,

Your vigorous retort reveals a misunderstanding resulting in frustration.

When Our Divine Master says: "Greater love than this no man hath than to lay down his life for his friends." He speaks about His giving of His own life which is as much as He could give to manifest His Charity to His Father and all Humanity.

When the Divine Master's quotation is applied to another's life as the measure of their generosity, it is the total giving of themselves for the accomplishment of the Will of the Holy Trinity. To spend oneself entirely for the Will of Our Father is all we can humbly give.

When we behold the visible and audible signs of the Holy Spirit's interaction in H.E. Bishop Fellay's life, there is no concern that he will give the entirity of his capacity for the Honor and Glory of Our Father and the salvation of souls.

With sincere sorrow for your suffering over the situation, the sacrifices of this day are offered for you imploring the Head of the Mystical Body, Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself to illumine you as to the truth of His words and their application to the situation.

"May the most just, most high and most adorable Will of God be in all things done, praised and magnified forever and ever.". . .despite the difficulties.

Pax Christi!