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Mass at St. Peter's: "At the end of the ceremony, Cardinal Cañizares said..."
Update: papal message to pilgrims


Posted by Father Claude Barthe, chaplain of the Traditional Pilgrimage to Rome, concluded yesterday, at Le Forum Catholique:

After the ceremony [the Pontifical Mass celebrated at the Altar of the Chair in the Vatican Basilica], from which Cardinal Cañizares left el mar del contento [sic - rather la mar de contento, i.e. exceedingly glad], particularly due to the atmosphere of prayer and because of the piety of the participants (and the numerous children!), one of his questions was: "Were there members of the FSSPX [Society of St. Pius X - SSPX]?" - It must be said that the Cardinal knows Bp. Fellay [SSPX Superior General] personally. I told him that I had recognized numerous FSSPX faithful, which gladdened him greatly. I did not note the presence of FSSPX priests, but the priests were too numerous for me to recognize all of them. We concluded that next time Bp. Fellay would surely be present. "¡Claro!" ["Certainly!"]

[Update] The text of the message sent by the Secretary of State, Cardinal Bertone, in the name of the Holy Father, to the participants, has also been made public:

On the occasion of the international pilgrimage assembled in Rome for the 5th anniversary of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI sends his cordial greeting to all participants, assuring them of his fervent prayer.


By this Motu Proprio, the Holy Father wished to respond to the expectations of the faithful attached to the ancient liturgical forms. Truly, as he wrote in his Letter to the bishops to present the Motu Proprio, it is good to preserve the riches that grew within the faith and prayer of the Church and to give them their just place, while recognizing fully the value and holiness of the ordinary form of the Roman rite. In this Year of Faith, promulgated as the Church celebrates the fiftieth anniversary of the opening of the II Vatican Council, the Holy Father invites all the faithful to display in a particular fashion their unity in the faith; they will thus be efficacious agents of the new evangelization.


Entrusting all the participants of the pilgrimage to Rome to the maternal intercession of the Virgin Mary, the Holy Father grants them his heartfelt Apostolic Blessing.


+Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone
Secretary of State of His Holiness

[Original in French; sources: 1, 2]

38 comments:

Embajador en el Infierno said...

Just a small correction. Cardinal Cañizares most probably said "la mar de contento" and no "el mar del contento". The first one is a very colloquial expression that indeed means "exceedingly happy".

New Catholic said...

Yes - that is the reason for the "sic".

sam said...

Now this is the real meaning of active participation in the Mass.

A Living Tradition is not the result of continuously evolving changes, but rather it is the result of its members living and believing according to its way.

Uncle Claibourne said...

With great hope, I pray that "next time," Cardinal Fellay will be the celebrant. ;-)

Miles Dei said...

Althought in Spanish you can use "el mar" or "la mar", "el mar de contento" does not exist in Spanish. Only admited use is "la mar de contento".

"La mar de" is just as in English "a lot of" and can be use with many adjetives or participes.

Miles Dei said...

We concluded that next time Bp. Fellay would surely be present.

And Kiko & Carmen

¡Claro!


La mar de divertido el Cañizares.

In my land the use of the article before a proper noun is very common but not of cult language. Just as celebrate Traditional Mass qith one hand and with the other the Neocatecummenal one is not very cult.


Jeremiah Methuselah said...

Good to see a little humour.

OutsideObserver said...

I have my concerns about Cardinal Canizares' comment that Bp. Fellay will be around next time. One of the effects of the expulsion of Bp Williamson from the SSPX is a sense of suspicion among some SSPX faithful that Fellay is negotiating a secret sell-out with Rome, and the Cardinal's comments will only fan those (groundless) suspicions.

Patrick said...

"We concluded that next time Bp. Fellay would surely be present."

What about His Holiness? When will he ever be present at an EF mass in St. Peter"s? I mean really, he could get on that push cart and be over there in a flash. It is scandalous that to date he has not attended one public celebration of the EF as Supreme Pontiff. Fellay at least isn't a few minutes away.

Francis said...

OutsideObserver,

I don't think for a minute that Bishop Fellay would "sell out" the SSPX to modernist Rome. I know there are many inside the FSSPX who think this, but I trust Bishop Fellay. If there is an agreement eventually between Rome and the SSPX I think Bishop Fellay will not compromise what the FSSPX stands for, which is the affirmation of two-thousand years of Catholic dogma. Looking at it in a positive way perhaps Cardinal Canizares is hinting that an agreement isn't too far away.

Barbara said...

The Holy Father's message does not seem so encouraging to me - a bit too generic. I don't know what I was expecting but I can't help thinking that all those people coming from so far away to thank him might have been a little disapointed in receiving a rather flat and official appreciation of their filial devotion. Something is missing.

Still, it was a great day for Catholic Tradition - that's for sure!

Reig said...

They don't loose any chance to make reference to the Council and the New Mass... May Cardinal Bertone leave us alone!

Glenn said...

I hope that Bp.Fellay will be present at the event next year.
This week end I am glad he was not.His Excellency was here in Madrid where he spoke for 2 hours and 20 minutes on the state of play between the SSPX and Rome. I would like to echo the comments of Francis (above) More importantly Bp Fellay
did Confirmations for the tiny Spanish flock!

OKC Catholic said...

If anything the Holy Father's message was a "gentle reminder" to Traditional Catholics that although, it is good to preserve the riches that grew within the faith and prayer of the Church and to give them their just place, [here is the reminder] while recognizing fully the value and holiness of the ordinary form of the Roman rite.
*sigh*
We are not only to "recognize" the Novus Ordo but are to fully convince ourselves of the "holiness" and "value" of the one thing that has wreaked more havoc on the priesthood and continues to do so daily. *sigh*

Clericus Romanus said...

It is inappropriate for Fr Barthe to make public the private conversation of anyone, let alone a cardinal. Unfortunately he has a reputation for doing this, and that is why many prelates will have nothing to do with him or with what he promotes. Loose words...and all that.

Martyjo said...

Francis

"I don't think for a minute that Bishop Fellay would "sell out" the SSPX to modernist Rome. I know there are many inside the FSSPX who think this, but I trust Bishop Fellay. If there is an agreement eventually between Rome and the SSPX I think Bishop Fellay will not compromise what the FSSPX stands for, which is the affirmation of two-thousand years of Catholic dogma. Looking at it in a positive way perhaps Cardinal Canizares is hinting that an agreement isn't too far away."

I agree with you entirely, but would caution that there are not "many" within the SSPX who think Bishop Fellay is selling them out, but rather a mere handful who just happen to be pretty determined to make it look like they are many. The majority of SSPX Catholics have full confidence in Bishop Fellay.

Picard said...

OKC:

Exactly, also my observation.

Therefore - sorry, folks - I do not hope that next year Bf. (or Card.) Fellay will be also there - to recognize "fully the value and holiness of the o.f."

And, Barbara and Patrick:

That´s the reason why Benedikt was not there and will also be not there next year: He is content with the o.f., with it´s great "value and holiness".
As well with the value and fruitfullness of Vat.II, what we were also reminded here in this adress (Vat.II to be worthy of celebrating it).

If you want to see a realistic view of the Council instead of this "celebrating the emperors new cloths" you have to read what PROF. SPAEMANN (although a friend of Benedikt XVI!) just said in an interview with the German newspaper "DIE WELT"!! Totally different and unexspected!!

Martyjo said...

I think the question as to why Pope Benedict XVI has not celebrated a public Traditional Mass is more one of courage than conviction.

I believe the Pope is afraid of the fallout from his liberal confreres if he dares celebrate a Pontifical High Mass in St. Peter's, or anywhere for that matter. It would be taken as a sure sign that he was spearheading a Traditional liturgical ressurgence in the Church and would be portrayed as an abandonment of Vatican II reform. It's a tragedy indeed, but I reckon it all comes down to a fearful Papal subordination to the will of some really hostile liberal prelates.

Rumsey said...

B16 only celebrates the (very) ORDINARY form, at least publicly. That +Fellay should be asked to offer a Mass under such conditions at St Peters in the EXTRAORDINARY form (extraordinary in its true meaning) under the present canonical situation is a bizarre fantasy. He would not do it and Rome would not permit or approve it.

NIANTIC said...

I was eagerly anticipating a message of support from the Holy Father. Well, as it is written by Cardinal Bertone on behalf of our Holy Father it is a great disappointment. All it does is reminding Traditional Catholics that the Novus Ordo and Vatican ll occupy pride of place and dictate everything done by the Church.

I am sorry to say so, but Holy Father, I think we deserve some real encouragement and solid support from you. Have courage. You are the Vicar of Christ and in your heart you know that the Traditional Mass is the heart and soul and lifeblood of the Church yesterday, today and tomorrow.

We just have to keep praying for the Pope and the Church. May God's Will be done.

Patrick said...

"I think the question as to why Pope Benedict XVI has not celebrated a public Traditional Mass is more one of courage than conviction."

I have heard ad nauseum explanations as to the impossible intricacies of a Solemn EF Papal High Mass and have concluded that it just won't happen since 99% of higher and lower clergy these days are liturgical illiterates and even a papal low mass seems beyond the pale. However, what I thought was reasonable was His Holiness at least peeking his head in at the end of an EF mass to verbally give his address if just sitting there in choro was beyond his abilities. The fact of the matter is that Benedict XVI is a card carrying product of the VCII mindset and people are finally, slowly waking up from their fantasies and accepting realities. I believe the SSPX was played by Rome.

Long-Skirts said...

Martyjo said:

"I agree with you entirely, but would caution that there are not "many" within the SSPX who think Bishop Fellay is selling them out, but rather a mere handful who just happen to be pretty determined to make it look like they are many. The majority of SSPX Catholics have full confidence in Bishop Fellay."

You are so right! The majority of SSPX Catholics are "posting" themselves in front of the Tabernacle and praying not like the malcontents (few) posting their complaints on the internet.

benedictus said...

No worries. We recognize the value of the NO quite clearly.

New Catholic said...

Translations by us, of course, in case they were seen elsewhere.

Barbara said...

It is indeed a shame that Rome and the Holy Father for that matter don't realise that the Catholics who love the Old Rite (apart from a couple of loony tunes)are the Church's most loyal and devoted subjects- there may be squabbles at a personality level - but the main principles of Catholicism are agreed upon among them- at least this has been my experience (albeit limited - although with internet that cat is out of the bag). It is difficult to find this Catholic unity in a parish with the new Mass Rite. What a mess of diverse opinions you will find there - (also this is visible worldwide on internet). But Rome refuses to face up to it for some mysterious reason far beyond my comprehension.

We are "the rejected and despised" in Mother Church - that is for sure - brings to mind one of Shakespeare's intricate and complicated tragedies - full of misundertandings and confusion -etc., King Lear, perhaps - and we know what happened to him.
But lovers of Real Catholicism and not this invented post- conciliar brand must never give up. I certainly am not budging from the Traditional Latin Mass no matter how many humiliations Rome may dish out. It is also a LAW of the Church - so I feel secure about it. Although at present a minority,there are sufficient enough people around who think Catholic Tradition to be a thorn in the flesh to the Church authorities that have gone somewhat astray. Eventually - one way or another - enough of them will come to their senses.

Still, I repeat Saturday was a great day!

God bless us all!

Sixupman said...

Rumsey: I know of one SSPX priest who has Celebrated Mass in Liverpool Cathedral.

Martyjo: "... Papal subordination ... ", exactly, which arises, some contend, with the requirement of Vatican II and Collegiality. Therefore, BXVI is not executing the powers which are, or were, available to him.

Michael said...

It has been written by Pope Benedict XVI in his book "Holiness is always in Season" that St. Charles Borromeo zealously carried out his episcopal ministry, promoting reform of the Church in acordance with the spirit of the Council of Trent; perhaps, the good pope may like to emulate the saint, in like manner, in the spirit of Vatican 2

Benedict Carter said...

I know one SSPX priest who has said Mass at the Sanctuary Chapel in Fatima! The authorities didn't ask thoroughly enough who he was or which Congregation he belonged to. Still, he was given a 0530 morning slot. Nice.

Martyjo said...

Michael,

Surely you know by now that "reform" and "the spirit of Vatican 2" are a lethal combination. The spirit of Trent was one of fidelity to Sacred Tradition; the spirit of Vatican II is radical liberal clericalism let loose in multi-coloured tank top, plastic sandals and crumb infested beard.

Ok, so that was the clerical garb of the 70s, but have things changed that much since?

Today, Father dresses in his KKK-like poncho with Tate Modern designer stitch and the religious Sister has graduated from mini-habit to bodyform costume, high heels, chandelier earrings and blue-rinsed hairdo, but the "Renewal" message remains the same: Make Love, not War. Hardly the spirit of the Church Militant!

Please, let's hear no more talk of "reform" of "renewal" in the spirit of Vatican II. Instead, let's talk revision of Vatican II by a dogmatic Vatican III.

Tom said...

"I was eagerly anticipating a message of support from the Holy Father. Well, as it is written by Cardinal Bertone on behalf of our Holy Father it is a great disappointment. All it does is reminding Traditional Catholics that the Novus Ordo and Vatican ll occupy pride of place and dictate everything done by the Church."

That shouldn't surprise anybody.

Pope Benedict XVI declared that the "...it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, not only on account of the juridical norms, but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful."

His Holiness has made it clear beyond question that in regard to liturgy, he and the Latin Church will forward with the Novus Ordo front and center.

His Holiness described Summorum Pontificum as "merely an act of tolerance, with a pastoral aim, for those people who were brought up with this liturgy, who love it, are familiar with it and want to live with this liturgy."

Traditional Catholics express amazement whenever the Holy Father fails to match publicly their all-or-nothing attachment to the Traditional Roman Mass.

Why?

His Holiness has made it clear again and again that he is attached to the Novus Ordo.

The Traditional Roman Mass is a tolerated as a sideline Mass for the relatively few Catholics attached to said Mass.

"...merely an act of tolerance, with a pastoral aim..."

Tom

Tom said...

"I certainly am not budging from the Traditional Latin Mass no matter how many humiliations Rome may dish out."

You need not budge from the Traditional Latin Mass. But be assured that Rome will not budge from the Apostolic See's determination to promote the Novus Ordo as the primary Mass of the Latin Church.

The Traditional Roman Mass is a sideline Mass. His Holiness doesn't have a problem with the relatively few Catholics who are attached to the Traditional Mass.

But again and again, His Holiness has made it clear...very, very clear...that the Novus Ordo will remain the primary Mass of the Latin Church.

His Holiness declared that we should not expect the Traditional Roman Mass to be offered "very often" throughout the Latin Church.

Pope Benedict XVI:

"The use of the old Missal presupposes a certain degree of liturgical formation and some knowledge of the Latin language; neither of these is found *******very often*******.

"Already from these *******concrete******* presuppositions, it is clearly seen that the new Missal will certainly remain the ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, not only on account of the juridical norms, but also because of the actual situation of the communities of the faithful."

Tom

Martyjo said...

Tom

I agree with where you're coming from, but despite the Pope's protestations in favour of the Novus Ordo, and despite his claim that it will remain the Ordinary Form of the Mass, the fact is that the Tridentine Mass is growing and spreading in the Church.

Many of the younger generation priests and faithful are turning their back on the Novus Ordo in favour of the Mass of the ages. It's only a matter of time until the balance shifts in the Church and the Novus Ordo will be consigned to the dustbin of history, where it belongs.

Barbara said...

Of course Tom. But this is now - Traditon will win in the end. The New Theology, the New Liturgy , the New Opening to the world , the New whatever you like have no REAL future. All of this is not made of strong enough stuff to endure - this has to be saide with a great deal of humilty- I can assure you I wouldn't be here writing on this fine blog and meeting like-minded Catholics if it were not for Summorum Pontificum. And for this my eternal gratitude and filial affection will alwqays be for the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI!

I think he is carrying a great burden - is tired and elderly - And may have good reasons for saying all these things not to rock "the Barque" too much at this precise moment in time.

However I just wish HE had written his own message to the the pilgrims last Saturday.

They didn't want the event to be noticed...that's for sure...

God bless Our Holy Father! And God bless us all!

michael sankey said...

So the acceptance of the validity and sacramentality of the Novus Ordo is an esental requirement,of those attending the mass, according to Tarcisio Cardinal Bertone.

Tom said...

michael sankey said...

"So the acceptance of the validity and sacramentality of the Novus Ordo is an esental requirement,of those attending the mass, according to Tarcisio Cardinal Bertone."

In 2011 A.D., Pope Benedict XVI approved the INSTRUCTION
ON THE APPLICATION OF THE APOSTOLIC LETTER
SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM
OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
GIVEN MOTU PROPRIO, which contained the following:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/documents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html

19. The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria..."

Tom

Frascati said...

"Many of the younger generation priests and faithful are turning their back on the Novus Ordo in favour of the Mass of the ages..."

That's news to me. What I do know is that many of the younger generation priests are celebrating the occasional TLM, or celebrate it monthly or even weekly, while continuing to offer the Novus Ordo once or twice a day. Hardly a "turning their back"!

Sixupman said...

Frascati: what I do know is that in the UK if you exhibit Traditional tendencies you are likely to have trouble with your bishop - regardless of the alleged freedom for clergy to Celebrate the TLM. One parish was closed down for the priest exhibiting such tendency, and, with the approval of his parishioners.

porys said...

On Fri. 1st of Nov. I met group of French pilgrims with FSSPX priest in Cathedral of St. John in Lateran, but I don't know if they were present 3rd Nov. in St. Peter basilica.