Rorate Caeli

The priests of the Fraternity of St. Pius X rally behind Bishop Fellay

Rome has given the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X until February 22 to accept the outstretched hand of Pope Benedict XVI. But the Lefebvrist priests will not move before the election of the future pope.

According to our information, the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei" which is responsible for dialogue with the Lefebvrists, sent Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX) in early January, a letter giving him until Feb. 22 to accept the latest doctrinal Preamble delivered on June 13. [Rorate was the first website to confirm this, on Feb. 13]

This document would make possible the return of the Fraternity into the Church provided it recognizes the validity of the Missal of Paul VI, the Second Vatican Council, and the Magisterium as the authentic interpreter of Tradition ... conditions rejected in July by the General Chapter of the FSSPX.  Also, in the absence of a positive response from Bishop Fellay by Friday, Rome would exercise the possibility of applying individually to each priest of the Society.

Queried by La Croix , the Lefebvrist clergy do not seem ready to leap. "If they want to write me, I will answer very nicely, but I do not see myself leaving the Society where I have been since my ordination thirty years ago. I am not going to change my opinion today” said Fr. M.

 
THE MAJORITY RALLIED BEHIND THE SUPERIOR GENERAL

The vast majority rallied behind the superior general. "In the past I considered leaving the Fraternity,” recounts Fr. K, “but more for interpersonal difficulties than for doctrinal reasons. However, today I have no doubt, given the approach adopted in discussions with Rome; I have absolute confidence in Bishop Fellay.”

Even those who present themselves as the most "agreement-oriented" do not intend to leave the Fraternity on their own. Thus, Father B. in the South regrets that it is "increasingly difficult to discuss this subject with (his) colleagues because there is a distinct hardening, they have turned in recent months."  However, he says he does not want to lose the "spirit proper to our own congregation.” “Our strength is precisely this spirit, this community life that sustains us.” […]

The General Chapter of the summer seems to have even tightened the links between the Lefebvrists. "Communication within the Brotherhood has not been easy in the past,” continues Fr. B. “but last summer Bishop Fellay acknowledged that he should keep us better informed about the discussions with Rome."

"SOME ARE FED UP, BUT NOT TO THE POINT OF LEAVING"


“Since then, the climate of confidence has grown between us." Join an Ordinariate? Few would see that as a resolution because on the doctrinal level they have not changed one iota: "We are always open to proposals from the Holy See, but do not force us to accept Vatican II! For forty years we've been saying that!” exclaims Father Jean-Yves Cottard Tours. "The Council has promulgated a text contrary to the Catholic faith –that concerning religious liberty. We cannot in good conscience accept this text … "

Although there are some who would seize the outstretched hand, they would be twenty at the most. "Some are fed up, but not enough to leave. There have been departures in twenty-five years, but all those who could have already left” says a friend of the FSSPX. “The prospect of another excommunication does not worry, they are accustomed to sanctions.”

Moreover, according to them, the concessions made by Benedict XVI, the Motu Proprio of 2009 foremost among these, have reassured them of their rights and the idea that they have more to gain by waiting. "In the dioceses, it will soon be very hard humanly and financially whereas we have vocations; we had a huge series of acquisitions last year” says Fr. Gregoire Celier, spokesman for the district of France who was installed mid-March in the Chapel of Our Lady of Consolation in Paris.

In any case, "the resignation of Benedict XVI has suspended everything,” summarizes Celier, “we will not move until we know the name of his successor."





49 comments:

Long-Skirts said...

SACERDOS

“They have abandoned the Fort, those
who should have defended it.” (St. John Fisher)

Who held the Fort
Till the Calvary came
Fighting for all
In His Holy Name?

Who fed the sheep
As the pastures burned dry
A few Good Shepherds
Heeding their cry?

Who led the charge
‘Gainst heresy’s Huns
Defending the degreed
To His lowliest ones?

Who battened down
The hatch of the barque
To warm cold souls
From shivering-seas dark?

“Who?” mocks Satan
Delighting in doubt
Fills you with questions,
Never lets you find out.

“Hoc est enum
Corpus meum…
…and for many…” who kept
The dead words – Te Deum!

Tito Edwards said...

Pride comes before the fall.

They should be rallying the Chair of St. Peter (which ironically is this Friday).

If they turn down this last outstretched hand of Pope Benedict, they have more than likely lost their opportunity towards reconciliation and will fade away like the Old Catholic Church did (which now accepts lesbians as "priests").

Uncle Claibourne said...

Pride indeed goeth before the fall, Mr. Edwards. 20th-century churchmen, even in the highest positions of authority, proudly and arrogantly jettisoned nearly 2,000 years of accumulated wisdom; the results were quite predictable, to everyone but themselves.

Now that our Holy Father has decided to abdicate, the Society is wise to wait.

Ivan K said...

"If they turn down this last outstretched hand of Pope Benedict, they have more than likely lost their opportunity towards reconciliation..."

Why are there so many people who assume that the next Pope will be harsh and unjust in his treatment of the SSPX--that the SSPX have one last chance to "sneak in" before the next papacy? They seem to have less confidence in the papacy than does the SSPX.

Ld Schmidt said...

Uh Tito, not a chance that the SSPX will accept lesbians as Priests. Pay attention, they are fighting against modernism and liberalism.

Bo-Bo said...

Whether or not they like it, in a spirit of humble submission they should acquiesce to this request of their superiors.

Father John Naugle said...

"When our Blessed Lord gathered his apostles around him on one occasion, he said, "Satan would sift you as wheat." This is a meaning we lose by substituting the word "you" for "thou". Our Lord said, "Satan would sift you Twelve as wheat. I have prayed for you" — no, that's not what the gospel says. Did our Lord say he had prayed for the Twelve? No. "I have prayed for thee" — for Peter — "so that after you have recovered from your fall you will strengthen your brethren.” Each and every one of us wants to be in that prayer of Christ. We share in that prayer of Christ only inasmuch as we are united to Peter. The Lord prayed for him in the conflict with Satan. And in that prayer for him, the Church is strengthened. It is important in this day to trust in the prayer of Christ for Peter."

-Ven. Fulton J. Sheen

jeff said...

I just hope the Holy Father offers them a PP or an Ordinariate.

It was only about 20 who came across in 1988 but from that traditionalists got a Society of Apostolic Life.

The formation of the FSSP was a HUGE game changer for Trads in canonical regularity with Rome.

A massive game changer.

if twenty good men come across and an Ordinariate is formed as a result, I will be ecstatic.

Ordo Antiquus said...

"If they turn down this last outstretched hand of Pope Benedict, they have more than likely lost their opportunity towards reconciliation and will fade away like the Old Catholic Church did (which now accepts lesbians as "priests")."

Since the SSPX was "suppressed" in the 1970's, nothing has changed in its liturgical practices.

Since that same period, the rest of the Church, the Conciliar Church, has seen:

1) The legalization of female altar servers, who in many places now form the majority of altar servers

2) More women serving as "lectors" and "commentators"

3) The expansion of communion in the hand

And these are just a few.

If anything it is the Conciliar Church that is on the road to further heresy and abandonment of Tradition, not the SSPX.

Gratias said...

Individual SSPX priests should join the Ordinariate that will likely be offered to the FSSP. Catholics must stand with the Pope.

RJHighland said...

Ordo Antiquus,
You forgot one very big item the number of homosexual priests and sex abuse scandals that have racked the Church since the Vatican II Council, the institution of the Novus Ordo and the new Rules for Religious Orders. That is something thankfully the Society has not had to deal with. The sex abuse scandals were a direct attack on the next generation of priests and wasted billions of the laities dollars. Pope Benedict XVI has done many great things for the Church. However it was not the media that made all the changes to the mass, and misinterpreted the council and tradition, it was done by Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests and OK'ed by the Popes. So hang in there Bishop Fellay you open the door just a little and the smoke that has filled the Church since the Council will enter the Society. Don't need that, I prefer a smoke free environment.

Gregorian Mass said...

A bit presumptuous in some of these points. "more will come". I think there is a real fear from the SSPX to submit to Rome..This has always been the danger and will only grow worse which seems to be happening already. I pray that they move and do something before the 22nd. Keep it moving along. Do something so that the next Pope is compelled to deal with you right away. Because I don't believe you should be put on the back burner, but I am pretty sure you will.If two hands are truly stretched out then they must join. The statement that they will wait for the next Pope sounds prideful and stubborn. What if he works on the Church's other problems and does not contact the SSPX. Then what? What about the million or so Faithful who follow you? Is it right to keep them and their families in the middle? For perhaps another generation? Something is starting to seem wrong as if the SSPX truly does not want to reconcile in this era.Maybe I am wrong but it is starting to seriously appear like that. I will continue to pray for them but sympathies are wearing thin. Just keep moving somehow, some way.

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Tom said...

Ivan K said..."Why are there so many people who assume that the next Pope will be harsh and unjust in his treatment of the SSPX--that the SSPX have one last chance to "sneak in" before the next papacy? They seem to have less confidence in the papacy than does the SSPX."

I also don't understand the notion that our next Pope will be unjust to the Society.

I expect our future Pope to be an orthodox Catholic. That is why there is not a chance that he would bow to the Society's errors.

Our future orthodox Pope would not expect such errors as Vatican II teaches errors and the Novus Ordo is "evil".

As an orthodox Catholic, we should expect him to love the Society of Saint Pius X. We should expect him continue with Rome's offer of safety to the Society within the canonical structure that Bishop Fellay likened to a "Rolls Royce".

The Society need only to wash away their errors via the water of Truth that flows from our orthodox future Vicar of Christ.

Tom

Tom said...

jeff said..."I just hope the Holy Father offers them a PP or an Ordinariate. It was only about 20 who came across in 1988 but from that traditionalists got a Society of Apostolic Life. The formation of the FSSP was a HUGE game changer for Trads in canonical regularity with Rome.

"A massive game changer. if twenty good men come across and an Ordinariate is formed as a result, I will be ecstatic."

Great points, Jeff. One thing that the Holy See has demonstrated with Traditionalists (example: FSSP) is that once they enter into obedience with the Holy See, the Traditionalists will prosper.

Tom

Matt said...

Ivan K asked, "Why are there so many people who assume the next Pope will be harsh and unjust in his treatment of the SSPX--that the SSPX have one last chance to 'sneak in' before the next papacy? They seem to have less confidence in the papacy than does the SSPX."

Ivan, the reason for the attitude above is there are many in the Curia as well as the other Higher-Ups in Rome who fought the Holy Father's Benedictine efforts at renewal of the Novus Ordo Mass and certainly flipped out with Summorum Pontificum and the Tridentine revivial which it has actually generated in many ways. These Tradition-haters are still there and are certainly going to be trying their hand at effecting a negative ideological outcome with the Conclave.

Glenn in Madrid said...

And Matt - who elected Card.Ratzinger
as Pope? Could not the Holy Ghost
have some influence in 2013 as in 2005?

Francis Ma said...

Tom said..."I expect our future Pope to be an orthodox Catholic. That is why there is not a chance that he would bow to the Society's errors. Our future orthodox Pope would not expect such errors as Vatican II teaches errors and the Novus Ordo is "evil".

Tom, do you really believe this neo-Catholic and neocon nonsense that you post here all the time? Or are you just trying to get strong reactions from we trads here on RC by posting this stuff? I hope it's the latter.

Matamoros said...

The twenty priests would be wasted. There are already plenty of priests celebrating the old liturgy while keeping quiet on religious liberty etc.

Those in charge haven't really got that much better since the 1970s as far as their ideas are concerned, but they are much more liberal in allowing traditional practices. A cynic would say that now that the generation that remembered and loved the old ways has largely faded away, there is no danger in allowing the old litrugy now. It's great to see the numbers that are returning to the old liturgy but it's not an avalanche. The damage is done and the culture of 95 % of Catholics has been changed. It will take more than a bit of tweeking or another Motu Proprio to get things on track. In the meantime, let's keep things in perspective and remember where all this came from - that Council

It's true that in theory it could take only a few extra footnotes for that Council to be necessarily interpreted "in the light of tradition", but it will take a revolutiion for those footnotes to be placed in the official texts.

The Vatican wants discussion about these points of course. But there are already plenty of fine and erudite persons doing that. The NO! of the SSPX seems to be equally effective and absolutely necessary. They won't stop now, nor should they.

Forever Faithful said...

Our dear commentator Tom,

You have mentioned multiple times the Vatican's offer to the Society, and Bp Fellay's likening this offer to a Rolls Royce.

This alsways makes me smile because I remember years ago, Abp Lefebvre or Bp Fellay (I cannot tremmeber which) mentioning an offer made by the Vatican: "The Vatican offers us a Rolls Royce, but they cover the road with tacks!"

pab said...

People need to realise that the SSPX is not looking for permission merely to maintain some kind of traditional ghetto within the church.

Rather, the SSPX aims to restore Tradition to the entire church. E.g. Summorum Pontificum is the result of the SSPX's insistence that permission be clarified for all priests to offer the TLM.

Hence the SSPX requirements for reconciliations are such as (i) to allow it to keep the counter-revolution going and (ii) have a pope to work with who will help not hinder.

Re BXVI, a pope who is never seen to offer the TLM doesn't seem as much an ally as some might hope.

Dauphin said...

I'm just glad this whole SSPX saga is finally coming to an end. These efforts at reconciliation were a personal matter for Pope Benedict. No future pope will have any interest in what amounts to a tiny, intransigent group. The society and the church will now go their clearly separate ways, and we'll be better off for the clarity. The pope gave it his best shot, but it's over and anyone can see that.

Matt the Mad Hatter said...

Why the obsession with Rolls Royce? Everyone should be aware of the quality issues they've had during the years...

Parmenides said...

How odd! I see no one in this forum trying to discuss the sticking points that prevented us from signing the June 2012 formula, specifically the "legitimacy" of the New Mass and the lack of any option of criticism of the ambiguity of Vatican II.

Benedict Carter said...

" ... a tiny, intransigent group .." someone said, after not very much thought.

Numbers are small, yes (560-odd priests) but influence is gigantic.

Intransigent? Quite right too. Like me, they want to remain Catholics and not be nu-Church quasi-protestants.

The Hierarchy are terrified of them, and more than anything, shamed by them.

One day a Pope will, in one speech, tear away the veil of "diabolical disorientation" covering the eyes of so many and the SSPX will be seen to have been the Praetorian Guard who kept Catholicism alive unadulterated for . That future Pope will take the flame from them and light the whole Church with it.

I had hoped it would have been Benedict XVI, but he in my opinion lacked the one thing a Pope must have: courage.

Benedict Carter said...

Long Skirts:

How do you churn this stuff out so quickly? Do you use templates?

Long-Skirts said...

jeff said...

"I just hope the Holy Father offers them a PP or an Ordinariate."

It's the last chance for THIS Pope. Our Lady Help of Christians, pray for us!

THE
BLACK
COLTS

St. Peter's dome
A lightning bolt -
Mother Russia
Hit with a jolt -

Now's the time
All heresies molt -
Release the Priest
Great cassocked colt!

French Canadian Not Quebecer said...

When the CDF makes a ultimatum like that, it's like if they're not even trying... After 40 years, there are still people who don't get what's the SSPX about.

The SSPX is this: Rome is failing at saving souls because of the novelties of V2 and the modernists working within the Church. To save souls, we have to hold on to the Church's Tradition and not compromise with the modern world like V2 has done.

If the CDF was at least trying to make the SSPX accept V2, they would give them everything they ask just before a papal election. Because if one of theirs gets elected, he can overturn everything in a pen stroke.

Makes perfect sense for the Society priests to wait to see what they are getting into before signing any agreement.

Faith > Obedience
Saving souls > Canonical Regularity

Simon said...

Totally agree with what Pab says!

At the same time, I believe the majority of people on here fail to see or understand what SSPX is all about!

Yes His Holiness has been (rather) generous to the traditional Catholic cause but that doesn't mean that the SSPX, after all these years, needs to or should accept a compromise on the erroneous teachings of VII.

This will most likely cause uproar on here but let's face it, the FSSP and other traditionalists who entered into 'full communion' with Rome did so by accepting compromise on VII.

The SSPX will NEVER compromise on VII and why should they? It's not about pride or arrogance; it's about staying true to the one, true faith of our fathers. Really, some of the comments on here give me the impression of neo-Catholics disguised in traditional clothing!

FaithfultoGod said...

Mr. Edwards, if the Church is so corrupted by liberalism that modernist man controls everything, well than I think your premise is correct. Yet, the Church has an influence that is beyond man. The Holy Spirit, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Communion of Saints and all the faithful of the Church past and present have tremendous influence beyond the reach of small groups of mortal men. I tell you this from my soul.

This battle is not over.

Tito Edwards said...

Ye of little faith!

God has promised that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against us.

Why then does the S. S. P. X. dawdle?

The Old Catholic Church left after Vatican I with the same lofty goals and preserving the ancient patrimony. Now they have become the butt of many jokes because they have left the yoke of Peter.

I certainly hope the Society returns to the fold. The F. S. S. P., orthodox Catholics, and the Anglican Ordinariate(s) need all the help they can get in the saving of souls.

Matt said...

Glenn in Madrid asked, "who elected Card. Ratzinger as Pope? Could not the Holy Ghost have some influence in 2013 as in 2005?"

Sure, of course. As always, never say never. at the same time your lips to God's Ears.

One has to keep in mind when Ratzinger was chosen, it was with the mentality he was so close to JP2, it was thought he was the best to carry on the JP2 legacy, only to realize afterward what a mistake they believed they had made. With the Abdication now at hand, you can bet your "Made In China" Nikes they will be vetting their choices with a lot more scrutiny than in 2005 to hedge their bets against that happening again.

James said...

Realistically the SSPX will not reconcile with the Holy See this generation.

Let's face it, the SSPX believes that Vatican II taught error (and the more hardline members believe it should be erased entirely), that the New Mass is evil and belief that the modern sacramental rites are of doubtful validity is mainstream in the sspx - witness the conditional ordinations and confirmations. Add to that the very sectarian, even cultish, spirit of many (not all) sspx'ers who don't *want* reconciliation and who don't even think it's all that important.

No, give it a generation or three. Of course, by then we're several generations into a kind od acephaleous Catholicism, new bishops will have been unlawfully consecrated, so one wonders if reunion is not maybe something more eschatalogical.

No - I cannot see Rome bowing to sspx demands that they admit the Novus Ordo is evil and that the Church has officially taught error for 50 years. Because, let's face it,that's what they're demanding. And it aint gonna happen.

This is a long-term split which our descendants may see healed.

LeonG said...

Another posting to invite a series of ill-informed comments.

As far as the future of The SSPX is concerned, they are choosing the wiser path, as I suggested on the last SSPX posting. Thhere is no poiint at all in responding to last gasp offers.
The next pope will be competent enough, we hope, to manage this issue. The Confraternity does not need to precipitate any more agreements in its turn. The process has gone as far as it can under this pontificate.
In the meantime, I join with the priests of The Society in expressing personal relief that they have not compromised their still necessary independence.

LeonG said...

Tito

The pride is with the conciliar theologians, as Pope Benedict XVI has admitted recently.

It takes humility & perseverence in obedience to follow Our Blessed Lord against the popular current and defend Sacred Tradition against the liberal modernist trend.

To persist in this disastrous conciliar experiment when the church needs to return to its traditional roots is tanatmount to absolute folly. The liberals will do everything but admit they were wrong. The chief indicators already do that for them.

Tom said...

Francis Ma said..."Tom, do you really believe this neo-Catholic and neocon nonsense that you post here all the time?"

Yes. As a Traditional Catholic, I have believed in the Traditional Catholic-related opinions that I have expressed here.

Francis Ma sais..."Or are you just trying to get strong reactions from we trads here on RC by posting this stuff? I hope it's the latter."

Oh, I thought that was what you, a neo-con, had done. You know, post neo-con claims so that we (Traditionalists) would post strong reactions to your remarks.

Tom

Tom said...

"Why the obsession with Rolls Royce? Everyone should be aware of the quality issues they've had during the years..."

You need to address your question to Bishop Fellay. It is he who must be obsessed with Rolls Royce. After all, with great enthusiasm, he likened to a Rolls Royce the canonical structure from Rome that awaits a regularized Society of Saint Pius X.

Tom

Tom said...

Forever Faithful said..."Our dear commentator Tom, You have mentioned multiple times the Vatican's offer to the Society, and Bp Fellay's likening this offer to a Rolls Royce."

Yep. It is good to mention the above as more than once has Bishop Fellay praised to the hilt the "Rolls Royce" (Bishop Fellay's description) canonical structure from Rome that awaits the Society (regularized).
****************************

Forever Faithful said..."This alsways makes me smile because I remember years ago, Abp Lefebvre or Bp Fellay (I cannot tremmeber which) mentioning an offer made by the Vatican: "The Vatican offers us a Rolls Royce, but they cover the road with tacks!"

That just made me smile. What a great line. Utterly false. Utterly delusional. But a great line.

I wish that on the Society's side, that they had covered the road with tacks. A great car can deal with mere tacks.

Unfortuntately, the Society has covered the road with massive spikes. That is what has lead to their a divinis suspended status.

Those massive spikes...particularly the horrible spike that has labeled the Novus Ordo Mass as "evil"...evil!

It is sad and sick to promote the notion that the Holy Catholic Church has taught "evil" via the Holy Mass.

But once the Society removes that awful spike and the "Council teaches errors" spike from the road, then they will drive their Rolls Royce on the road that leads to peace with the True Church.

Tom

Supertradmum said...

Rorate, thanks so much for keeping up with this. Your blog rocks.

As to this Friday, I am praying there will be some movement.

Not all Popes would give this much attention to the SSPX as Benedict has...prayers

Sixupman said...

I longed for a deal, but when you are dealing with ++Muller and his ilk, no thanks, they are not to be trusted. Divide and Rule their ploy.

The German Bishops' Conference issued a veiled threat of Schism is BXVI accommodated SSPX and the Bundestag threatened to cease diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

If an out and out Modernist is elected to the papacy, where then obedience?

Matamoros said...

Looks like it its enemies will still be having the SSPX in the soup for a long time to come. It may be comforting for them to keep mentioning the Old Catholics but their charitable wishful thinking just won't come to pass.

The conciliar Church resembles the Old Catholics much more in its attachment to modern, liberal thought and in its innovations. Just becuase the Old Catholics claimed to be preserving the Old Faith (as Luther also claimed) doesn't mean they really were. The tragedy for the Church is that this time the "dissidents" are right.

There is no comparison. After 50 years the Church is still decomposing. After 40 years of being treated like schismatics, the SSPX still shows no signs of leaving the Church- it is the Church hieararchy that is ever more obssessed by its guilty conscience and self-doubt in the face of the failure of its renewal. If by hook of by crook they manage to get the SSPX to kow tow to the nonsense that has been put up as renewal, then the idiocy will go on for another 50 years.

Nobody is asking the Church to say it has been in error for fifty years, but we demand that those who run it stop promoting errors.

It is they who must change their ways - we traditionalists just want to be properly led, otherwise we are not following. We are lambs and sheep but we are not stupid. We were taught for two thousand years that error had no rights, then in some kind of Orwellian Animal Farm revolution, it turns out this was just a dated interpretation.

Who cares how the sorry conciliar saga is written up by Church historians, the main thing is that it ends now. Meanwhile, the SSPX and its leaders just keep looking more and more impressive - it gives me greater faith in the Church. Let's pray for a great Pope.

Common Sense said...

Good post, Matamoros. The apparachitchs argue just to hear the sound of their own voices. I like the Animal Farm revolution remark.
God Bless.

Marsaili said...

We don't really know if it's true that most of the SSPX priests are rallying behind Bp. Fellay. We'll see how many of them respond to the offer to come home to the Catholic Church, in being willing to put themselves under the authority and jurisdiction of the Church. It's much safer to stay with what one knows, rather than to venture into the unknown, but if they trust on Our Lord and Our Lady, they will be fine. The SSPX leadership will never reconcile, so it will be up to individual priests to reconcile; I hope that pray that many will take up the offer.

Benedict Carter said...

Marsaili:

They already ARE home. It wasn't them who left.

Dan said...

It's funny that some equate the SSPX with Old Catholics. For that to be accurate Vatican II would have to be equal to Vatican I. But everybody acknowledges that Vatican I was a dogmatic council and that Vatican II was merely pastoral.

Greg said...

@Benedict Carter:
The Church on Earth is a pilgrim Church; our home is in Heaven. In the light of this image, being (already) "home" can mean only continuing to travel with your family. SSPX declines to travel with what the Fathers call the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, choosing instead to travel with a small local querulous band. No-one denies that there are real problems in the Church, but those problems are being addressed. This is more demanding of charity than standing aloof as with moral superiority.

Again, it is always more difficult to take account of the plenitude of Revelation than to content oneself with responding to a portion thereof. It is true that SSPX membership is rightly concerned with many evils in the Church and in society, and rightly insists on the right and duty to obey the demand of conscience. This is praiseworthy, and for this reason obnoxious behaviour on the part of some SSPX membership has been overlooked by the Church in an effort to foster reconciliation. What draws my attention is the internal inconsistency of SSPX. If the SSPX (alone) maintains Sacred Tradition, why does it not respect the dictates of its cherished sources? Sacred Tradition speaks clearly to many things which SSPX cannot honestly claim about itself, but which the Church, for all the corruption of some of her members, can and does claim for herself, with the grudging concession of her detractors.

hans1958 said...

"We are always open to proposals from the Holy See, but do not force us to accept Vatican II!” any sound Catholic would see the ridiculous contradiction. either you accept Popes to be legitimate Popes and recognise their Council and theology, as a whole, not partially. OR you reject all V2 Popes, and declare the Holy See hijacked. that's the deal. i hold and recognise the legitimacy of Pope Gregory XVII (Joseph Siri)chosen on 26 october 1958 in the Vatican Conclave, and his succesor Gregory XVIII, chosen on 2 may 1991.the Vatican has been hijacked by Masons, to prepare for the Anti-christ "Pope".

MollyJayne Callisse DeTerre-Foray said...

I am just a lowly member of the Church, one of no more import than the peasant who drops a penny in the offering, so forgive my meager words that cry out for answers and for your prayerful contemplation.

On what is most important, can we not agree?
Did Christ call us Christian or show us we are free?
I am confused by the bickering and these bitter fights.
I don't understand arguments over who's wrong or right.
Tell me first, is the Body many parts or merely a single mass?
To progress, must every part agree or merely consent to move?
May the Body follow You on one foot, without a nose, or fingerless?
Must the Body know where it is going to move a single step Your Way?
Has the Body ever erred to find the gentle path though certain of its steps?
Is any path wrong that bears Your Way and leads to Unity with You one day?
Will I, even as one hair, aligned with Your will by the wind be carried to You
though the hand at one time from the Body caused me to be removed?
If each, by the mind given us by You, must understand and choose,
must bow, give things, forgive, accept our cross and follow,
how can the Body say to any part, agree with me or alas
you will perish, when it seems it could be true the Body
though larger might be the one diseased? And if we
are all One Body, can any part deny the truth,
dare declare, "Body, I'm no part of You"?
How can I, in my imperfection, know?

If I earnestly desire to do Your will, I suppose
these questions are far less important than this-
Repeatedly I'll ask, "What is the next right thing to do?"
then listen for the echoes and act despite what I may lose.
I will trust in your mercy, let go with hope you'll lead me home.
Only You know my heart. Only You I trust to guide where I roam.
So, Good Orderly Direction, this I will pray - "Your will be done,"
nothing more or less, for only Your favor's worthy to be won.
I feel no need to argue, to judge, to punish, or to cast away
I only feel need to pray, listen, love, and give You praise.

©2013 mj4A

Adfero said...

Molly Jane. No, we have no ability to edit comments. Sorry.