Rorate Caeli

Tradidi quod et accepi

An interesting passage from the Holy Father's Wednesday Catechesis, the second week in a row studying Tradition:

This [understanding of Tradition] is well evidenced in a few passages of the Pauline epistles: "I delivered unto you that which I also received" (1 Cor 15,3). And this is important. Saint Paul, as it is known, originally called by Christ with a personal vocation, is a true Apostle and nonetheless, even for him, what is fundamentally important is the faithfulness to that which he has received. He did not wish to "invent" a new Christianity, a "Pauline" one, so to speak. He insists, however: "I delivered unto you that which I also received." He delivered the initial gift which comes from the Lord and is the saving truth. Afterwards, near the end of his life, he writes to Timothy: "Keep the good deposit committed to thy trust by the Holy Ghost, who dwelleth in us. " (2 Tm 1,14)


  1. "all that helps God’s people to live in holiness and grow in faith".

    This key phrase of Vatican II, is that which condemns Vatican II and all its implementations in the most incontrovertible manner!

    Because if it is true, you cannot deny that the post conciliar meltdown proves that Vatican II violated this principle.

    And if it is not true, then Vatican II taught falsehood.

    So either way, Vatican II contradicts Tradition.

  2. It would seem that the Holy Father is taking actual, yet tentative steps towards Tradition.

    Can we see this as positive?

    With regards to Vatican II, interpreted in light of Tradition, it's own statement of the definition of Tradition as "all that helps God’s people to live in holiness and grow in faith". Could we say that it fails to meet the test and therefore is not itself Tradition, but doesn't as a whole contradict Tradition?

    I'm looking for an a way to understand how VII fits into the history of ecumenical councils. Was it somehow invalid? Could the Church have had a false council? Or simply a failed one that did not achieve the aims of the Church?

  3. Councils, even general ones are not ipso facto infallible.

    That's how to understand Vatican II.


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