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You report: Traditional Masses around the World - IV

We are extremely grateful for our (apparently numerous) Brazilian readers who have been keeping us informed of the vast influence which the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum has had in the most important dioceses in the nation with the largest number of nominal Catholics in the world. Considering that the great majority of Brazilians live in the larger cities and metropolitan areas, it is clear that, after Summorum Pontificum, a large number of Brazilian Catholics have the Traditional Mass in their own dioceses or at least in a neighboring diocese.

A reader from the large city of Curitiba, in the southern part of that country, sends us this report, with pictures:

In Curitiba, southern Brazil, the very first church built there in 1737, Igreja da Ordem, is having once again, after many decades, the extraordinary form or the Roman Rite, with the attendance of some 200 people every Sunday, mostly young people and young families.

We have a choir singing Gregorian Chant and the participation of everyone is truly beautiful, for we are all learning together the responses, the chants, everything. Our priest, a very holy monsignor, keeps applauding the congregation’s efforts in participating fully in our Traditional Mass.

In another church in Curitiba, a daily Traditional Mass is also available since the Motu Proprio, celebrated by a wonderful Italian priest.

We are deeply thankful to our Holy Father Benedict XVI! Deo gratias!

Dear readers, please keep sending us reports on Traditional Masses in your diocese and on the impact Summorum Pontificum has had in your local Church.


Anonymous said...

Dear Rorate's friends. I hope, in a few months, to send you the pictures that a good priest is preparing in our diocese in Brazil.

It's sure that with Summorum Pontificum things are better in our country, but believe me, it's far from being a common thing to have the extraordinary form of the Holy Mass in our dioceses.

Anonymous said...

I find it apalling that people who are no longer Catholics, who show total disrespect to our Lord and his Sacraments, questioning validity of the treasures of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church(despite the deficiencies in human aspects of these treasures) continue to blog on Catholic websites such as this.

It should be made clear on the Home Page of this site that only Catholics showing respect to the Church, ite hierarchy, its Sacraments and the Mass, irrespective of form, are encouraged to participate; respectfully these unbelievers should peddle their evil elsewhere. These people destroy faith.

There is room to have a sensible discussion about the liturgy and other aspects of the Church without disrespecting what we hold dear.

Berolinensis said...

Dear New Catholic,

I hope in about one month I will be able to also send some pictures your way. In the mean time, some update on the TLM situation in the Archdiocese of Berlin, the German capital: Until Summ. Pont., we had one indult Mass every Sunday and Holy Day in a hospital chapel, and of course, since 2003, a daily Mass at the Institute of St. Philipp Neri (who last Thursday, All Saints, had a priestly ordination by Msgr. Rifan, which I attended - very beautiful; the website is Now since (and remember that Summ. Pont. is only in force for one and a half months), one parish in Berlin has begun to offer the TLM on three weekdays (I think the parish priest is trying to get his people used to the TLM in order to then introduce it on Sundays), and in the city of Potsdam (which is directly bordering Berlin), it is celebrated every Sunday in the artistically important parish Church (the altar piece - the agony of Christ - is one of the very few religious paintings by Antoine Pesne). In my own parish, we have proceeded by the letter of Summ. Pont., collected signatures for the TLM, and will now, beginning on the first Sunday of Advent, have a TLM on one Sunday of the month, celebrated by the young associate pastor (Kaplan) of the neighbouring parish, hoping to have it more frequently in the future. That makes three new TLMs in Berlin (10% Catholics) since September 14th. And these are only the one I know of.

William said...


I didn't know that you are in Berlin. I lived there for four years and, although not Catholic at the time, attended two different parishes - in both of which the liturgy was celebrated in a way that certainly made an impact on me.

The first was St. Matthias at Winterfeldplatz. The Latin and German N.O. High Masses celebrated there completely changed my opinion about what Mass should be like - and were directly responsible for my discovery of the Traditional Latin Mass later on.

The second parish I attended was St. Paulus in Moabit, where Mass was also reverently and beautifully celebrated.

In both cases I attended the parish simply because it was the closest parish to my apartment. Because of the good experiences I had there in Berlin I never realized how bad it can get in Germany.

When I returned to the U.S., it was my search for a Mass similar to the Masses in those two parishes that led me to the Traditional Latin Mass at an FSSP parish, which then led to my conversion to Catholicism.

Berolinensis said...


my handle could have given you a hint - it means "of Berlin" in Latin ;-)

St. Matthias has an excellent liturgy, which I also attend from time to time (my retired former parish priest is living there now); unfortunately the parish priest is not very friendly regarding the TLM (as sadly is not infrequently the case with otherwise orthodox and good priests; incidentally, he is from the diocese of Muenster, as was established by the original donation for builfing this church). I suppose you know who was parish priest of St. Matthias in the 1920s? None other than blessed Cardinal von Galen.
I have never been for Mass to St. Paulus, but it's served by the Dominicans, which could mean anything from awful to great liturgy; but they have to be solid, since recently the diocesan seminary was moved there, and it's also where the German Thomistic society is located.
My own parish is in the south west of Berlin.

Anonymous said...

Beautiful picture...

Anonymous said...

I think that the Tridentine Latin Mass will be the salvation of the Catholic Church, in Brazil and elsewhere.
In Brazil, perhaps the return of the Tridentine Latin Mass and the devotion of the Faithful to it will stem the tide of the terrible Protestant sects and cults (largely based in and funded from the USA) which have taken so many formerly Catholic people into error and deception.
It won't happen overnight, but the restoration and spreading of the Tridentine Latin Mass is happening much faster than the liberal had hoped. They had hoped there would be no demand for it. In some countries, the opposite is proving true.
In Australia, nearly 2,000 came out for a solemn Pontifical High Mass in the Tridentine Rite celebrated by Cardinal Pell. When was the last time 2,000 came out for a Novus Ordo Mass celebrated by their Archbishop? When was the last time Churches were packed and people had to stand in the street?
This is all for the Tridentine Latin Mass.
To post a comment highly critical of the Novus Ordo is not disloyalty to the Church, or distressing to readers as someone on this page posted. Rather, it is stating the truth. Everyone who has eyes to see knows of the very bad results of the Novus Ordo....and by comparission, the very good and excellent fruits of the traditional Latin Mass , and especially the Tridentine Rite ( all thru Church history).
It is a violation of valid judgement to go along with something which has produced tremendously bad results just because it is currently the standard form of the Mass (Novus Ordo)
Had not Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and others stated their objections forcefully about the Novus Ordo and the reforms of Vatican II, we would not have the return of the Tridentine Latin Mass (which is producing such magnificently good fruit after only 1 month after Summorum Pontificum).
Had we continued down the "Springtime of Vatican II" road as trod by John Paul II and others for another decade or so...the Church would have died out in many countries, especially in Europe.
The return of the Tridentine Latin Mass for the Catholic Church is like a blood transfusion and cure for a person suffering from severe anemia( when all we had was the Novus Ordo).
THank God that Pope Benedict XVI had the courage to decree this return. Hopefully, there are more Papal actions in the same direction.

New Catholic said...

Thank you very much for that report, Berolinensis.

We will be waiting for the pictures!

Anonymous said...

Although the Tridentine Mass is indeed proving to be more popular than some people thought, it is by no means more popular than the Novus Ordo and may never be. Yes, 1800 people did show up for the Tridentine Mass in Sydney, but remember, that's 1800 people out of a Diocese of 578,600 Catholics! Mass attendance was 15.3% in 2001. Using those numbers, that's only 2% of the 88,525 Mass going Catholics who showed up for that Mass. Some obviously couldn't make it for whatever reason, but the other 98% either didn't care, preferred the Novus Ordo, or preferred the Tridentine but not enough to show up. How many do you think would have shown up if the Cardinal held a charismatic Mass? Probably more than 1800. The traditionalist movement is very weak in comparison.

It will be a long, long time before we can confidently say most Catholics prefer the Tridentine Mass. Despite the optimism sometimes seen in comment boxes, I don't imagine the Tridentine Mass will ever again be the normal form of Catholic worship.

alsaticus said...

anonymous wrote :
"Despite the optimism sometimes seen in comment boxes, I don't imagine the Tridentine Mass will ever again be the normal form of Catholic worship."

TLM is not to be the ordinary form in the Latin Church during my lifetime if ever. I think 99.99% of trads worldwide would say that with me, including SSPX.
It is not the problem and a very false approach to the present liturgical crisis.
The problem is : how can we work today to fight the liturgical chaos created in the second half of the Sixties ?
- extending TLM access is only one way ; an important way because bringing back TLM means bringing back the full Catholic doctrine on liturgy. So the impact is not limited to actual TLMers.
Litniks worldwide have understood that very well and when you see so many French bishops trying to block the papal motu proprio, plus GermChurch, plus SwissChurch, plus some Italian liberal bishops, plus Polish bishops etc., you could understand THEY have understood too.
- reinfusing traditional liturgy within the present "ordinary form" is the other way.
Both have to be done and both are a question of decades 20-30-50-60 years ?
The Liturgical Movement took over 50 years to spread within the Church.

Anonymous said...

Curitiba is the most important city in the state I live (I am at the third city in size). However, nothing is said here about the TLM. Nothing...

gallicman1 said...

Let's remember that if the Novus Ordo Mass and sacraments are valid why go back to the older form? Why would we need a SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM? It would not be necessary. It would be a terrible waste to print new books and think of the confusion it would cause in the pews. How could the faithful reconcile the two forms? Would we then be uncatholic if we had two forms?

However, if the New Mass is invalid and its corresponding sacraments are invalid then run as fast as you can and find a traditional priest for valid confession and sacraments. You haven’t had valid sacraments for almost 40 years.

If on the other hand the Novus Ordo is valid, don’t worry, relax, there is no need to change anything. There is no need for a “Latin Mass”. There would be no need for a Motu Proprio.

John L said...

Since it is not much more than a month since the old mass has officially been declared legal, I think it is premature to say that the turnout for the Sydney mass indicates a small level of potential interest. One striking and encouraging thing about that mass were the number of diocesan seminarians there (largely in the choir as they have not had time to get around to learning how to serve the old mass yet!) At a guess, the revival of the old mass around the world will be patchy - with perhaps unexpectedly high levels of interest in some places, unexpectedly low in others. It will be once the differing fruits of the old and new mass can really be compared that I think the old one will take off. This need not be more than a matter of a generation - that is all the time that it takes for people who have an inexplicable attraction to the new mass to die out, and for everyone else to think 'why are we wasting our time with this disaster?'

Luiz Carlos M. Filho said...

Even if the Novus Ordo Mass and sacraments are valid (and they are), this motu proprio would be still necessary. That is not a question of validity, the new rite is valid. However, though the new form is completely valid, vernacular made the rites too much accessible to people (in a way they can change everything without any difficulty). In my parish it is very common to see people changing words of the mass, especially in the music they play along it. Instead of singing the correct text, they sing adapted music, sometimes with doctrinary ambiguous or incorrect meanings. I was told there was a music which said something like "the rich people will go to hell, the poor to heaven". It is not uncommon, unfortenately. They (that's the official translation from CNBB) translate the word "sabaoth" from the "Sanctus" as "universe" (instead of "hosts"), still say "pro omnibus" (instead of "pro multis"); liturgical music is completely inapropriate, faster and louder than necessary, frequently charismatic and composed in non-liturgical rythms (in a way children sometimes dance while listening...). The instruments used don't evoke prayer, but destroy it; guitar, keyboards... I've already seen people staging in front of the altar... (in the beginning of the Mass). Modernism appears together with Liberation Theology in Brazil, and that's not different right here.

In my city there was a mass on Labour's day in which a man took a huge knife used on farms (I don't know the name in English, but in Portuguese We know it as "facão") up to the altar and placed the "facão" in a table on the right side of it (and there we had also other things, such as a notebook; they were representing the carriers there are today...). It was in the cathedral's square, outside the church, because of the great number of faithful attending the mass (some of them with clothes and accesories associated with MST - the communist "brazil's landless workers' movement")!

I can not understand why the Vatican thinks Liberation Theology is not a dangerous matter anymore. It is, it real and alive, fueling modernism and helping the leftist "labour's party" (Partido dos Trabalhadores, PT) gain more and more power. Take a look in what Chávez is doing in Venezuela! This weekend, my parents saw an ad in a news channel owned by "Bispo Macedo" (from the sectarian "Universal 'Church' of the Kingdom of God", "'Igreja Universal do Reino de Deus") about abortion. They are in favor of liberalizing this pratice, among many other things (they support President Lula's government, another pro-abortion power in here). On the other hand, another TV channel owned by Macedo ("Rede Record") broadcasted yesterday that documentary made by the british BBC, denouncing crimes inside the church. "Bishop" Macedo (as he calls himself) is clearly attacking the Holy Roman Catholic Church as he did in the past. Many years ago, a "pastor" from his church kicked an image on Our Lady in a TV program. Unfortunately, we are not facing and isolated case, but a very spread and dangerous war against catholicism in Brazil.

One who walks in a brazilian city would be scared with the great number of self-denominated "evangelical churches", sects, with the most different names. Sometimes we have one facing another on the other side of the street.

Brazilian catholicity is losing its identity while modernism and marxist ideas destroy orthodoxy. A great percentage of priests helps this destruction and children are being educated in a almost-protestant way; the bible appears as the most important thing in our christian life, and Church's doctrinary statements are becoming just secondary - many times ignored. Vatican documents are seldom mentioned; I have never seen any pre-Conciliar text being sold, read or studied; Instead, texts from CNBB (Brazil's Bishops' Conference) are very often used and believed to be the best in othodoxy. It can be true sometimes, but I've already read things that I would rather believe they came from one of the inumerous sects present on each corner of our cities.

I was also a victim of this post-conciliar church (I'm just 18 years old now). I could stay here talking about what we have, what we see, but it would take much time. Much more than we wanted...

Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us!
Saint Dominic Savio, pray for us!
All the saints, pray for us!

A.D.M.G., Luiz Carlos M. Filho.

Luiz said...

On the above text, change "carriers" to "careers". They have similar pronunciation in Portuguese. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

I often wonder whether the unquestioned optimisn that has characterized the past two pontiffs is just a front or whether they really believe what they're saying. Benedict XVI on his trip to Brazil:

"And thus it seems to me that we must rediscover the great heritage of the Council, which is not a “spirit” reconstructed behind the texts, but the great conciliar texts themselves, reread today with the experiences that we have had and that have born fruit in so many movements, in so many new religious communities. I arrived in Brazil knowing how the sects are expanding, and how the Catholic Church seems a bit sclerotic; but once I arrived, I saw that almost every day in Brazil a new religious community is born, a new movement is born, and it is not only the sects that are growing. The Church is growing with new realities full of vitality, which do not show up in the statistics – this is a false hope; statistics are not our divinity – but they grow within souls and create the joy of faith, they create the presence of the Gospel, and thus also create true development in the world and society."

Luiz said...

In fact the Church is growing, and there are many young people participating. However, sects are faster; while these sects attack the Church, we answer with ecumenism. And also a great percentage of the catholic youth belongs to the charismatic movement. The Church is alive. But... how?

Anonymous said...

I attended EF mass in Kansas City this past weekend. Blessed Sacrament Parish was nearly filled with mostly young families with several children. It was so wonderful to see this and have such a beautiful liturgy(Solemn High Mass), it brought tears to my eyes. Thank you Kansas City, Kansas for your implemenation of the SP.

Anonymous said...

Here in Hobart Tasmania our Arcbishop will only allow a monthly TLM. He will not allow a FSSP priest to come here permanently even though he uses a lack of priests for not allowing us the implementation of the MP.
We have Mass next Sunday for Juventutem. A FSSP priest will visit our archdiocese to offer Mass.