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A victim of collective violence

By a rare coincidence, this year our Easter falls on the same week of the Jewish Passover which is the ancestor and matrix within which it was formed. This pushes us to direct a thought to our Jewish brothers. They know from experience what it means to be victims of collective violence and also because of this they are quick to recognize the recurring symptoms. I received in this week the letter of a Jewish friend and, with his permission, I share here a part of it.

He said: "I am following with indignation the violent and concentric attacks against the Church, the Pope and all the faithful by the whole world. The use of stereotypes, the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism. Therefore I desire to express to you personally, to the Pope and to the whole Church my solidarity as Jew of dialogue and of all those that in the Jewish world (and there are many) share these sentiments of brotherhood. Our Passover and yours undoubtedly have different elements, but we both live with Messianic hope that surely will reunite us in the love of our common Father. I wish you and all Catholics a Good Easter."

28 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:32 AM

    This is all making the rounds in the media. Here in Canada, they are claiming that this priest compared the present persecution of the Church with the Holocaust. I don't see that mentioned in this post.

    Frankly, I don't see why any of us should even bother mentioning this. This is the Triduum Sacram. Our minds should not be concentrated on what one of the world's least populous religions thinks about us. It is irrelevant. We could reflect also on what Jains or Shintoists are thinking about this week, but we don't. And we shouldn't. Let's just focus on Christ. Period.

    P.K.T.P.

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  2. Anonymous4:58 AM

    Father Cantalamessa’s Jewish friend said that "the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt remind me of the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism."

    But in his sermon, Father Cantalamessa also stated the following:

    "John Paul II inaugurated the practice of the request for forgiveness for collective wrongs."

    Father continued that "one of these, among the most just and necessary, is the forgiveness that half of humanity must ask of the other half, men to women."

    Father's sermon, at least those parts that pertain to collective guilt, is confusing.

    1. Collective guilt is bad (as we learned from Father's Jewish friend.

    2. Collective guilt is good, based upon Father's reference to Pope John Paul II's "practice of the request for forgiveness for collective wrongs."

    3. Collective guilt is a good thing as Father stated that "among the most just and necessary, is the forgiveness that half of humanity must ask of the other half, men to women."

    It is mind-boggling that so much confusion flows from our Churchmen.

    Tim

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  3. Anonymous5:06 AM

    This will pass.

    Besides, the Pope simply needs to hold fast to and promote Holy Tradition and all will be fine among the Faithful.

    Catholics who are loyal to the Faith will follow the Pope's lead.

    Any Catholic who has left the Church during this time simply sought an excuse to surrender the Faith.

    What can the news media/"world" possibly do to God's Holy and True Church?

    Tim

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  4. Ponte6:07 AM

    Padre Cantalamessa is not a very prudent man. Not surprisingly, his remarks are backfiring and now the Jews are wound up and angry again against the Holy Father.

    More well known in Italy, he loves to showboat and be provocative in his sermons. Unfortunately though, this year, when more people are following the Triduum ceremonies and listening to him, he has only made things worse.

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  5. Anonymous6:53 AM

    If Fr Cantalamessa is "not very prudent", then how much more imprudent is the Holy Spirit! He says some very bad things about the Jews in the Divine Office of the Holy Week in both Byzantine and Roman rites! God should submit to the Jews immediately or he will be accused of anti-Semitism, sued, and obliged to pay compensation. Or just crucified. This is diabolic pride. Don't follow it.

    As to the evil "collective responsibility": we didn't commit the original sin, but we all suffer from the sin of Adam just like we did it. If you think this is wrong, then you're not Catholic.

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  6. Anonymous6:59 AM

    Our Passover and yours undoubtedly have different elements, but we both live with Messianic hope that surely will reunite us in the love of our common Father.

    (Eyes roll ...)

    There is only one Messianic hope, which is fulfilled in Jesus Christ. The Jews hope for a messiah other than Jesus Christ, which is to say that that they hope for an anti-christ. How does that reunite us in the love of our common Father??? Does Fr. Raniero Cantalamessa believe that Jews and Catholics can worship the Father together while leaving the question of Jesus unresolved?

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  7. While I would like to see some effective house-cleaning in The Church and have all the personally responsible parties purged from their offices, it certainly is well after time that governments in USA & UK cleaned up the extraordinary & scandalous number of child-abusing teachers in its own system about which they remain suspiciously quiet. I would estimate roughly that the societal problem is almost double that of The Church.

    With more sexual perverts being allowed into the system generally with cross-dressers & sodomites this proportion is going to increase substantially.

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  8. Anonymous9:45 AM

    Fr. Cantalamessa, who is far from being traditionalist, has been lacking of prudence not because "his" words are not correct - a quotation from a Jewish friend so in fact not technically his words - but because the media vultures have no respect for exactitude and being factual.
    They dwell in distorting everything they can and immediately anything related to antisemitism - not the genocide that wasn't evoked at all - is an occasion of distorting what a Catholic priest (or lay person) says.

    There is indeed a blatant analogy between the campaign of rumors and collective accusations launched at the Church, pope Benedict XVI and the Catholic clergy at large and European XIX-XXth ways of antisemitism. The Jewish friend quoted is right. But it is not specific of antisemitism : these are ordinary ways to smear negative feelings on a group, any kind of group.
    Anti-muslim campaigns in the West are doing just the same, anti-christian campaigns in Muslim countries are doing the same. We could find similar techniques in the hatred of Hutus against Tutsis in Rwanda, etc.

    It would have been wiser to the good preacher to use several examples to avoid an easy distortion of his words by the Catholic blood-thirsty rascals especially in the Western arch-liberal media.

    On France culture this morning, the journalist said "une prétendue lettre", a pretended letter (!) and was speaking of the holocaust/genocide which is not the case. Maureen Dowd's type of Goebbels "journalism" is everywhere and Fr. Cantalamessa should know that now !

    Alsaticus

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  9. Anonymous11:14 AM

    "Fr. Cantalamessa, who is far from being traditionalist, has been lacking of prudence not because "his" words are not correct [...] but because the media vultures have no respect for exactitude and being factual."

    Enough of this cowardice.

    "Be instant in season and out of season" 2Ti 4:2.

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  10. Anonymous1:26 PM

    Look on the bright side. It gives the pope a great excuse to replace Fr. Cantalamessa.

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  11. Anonymous1:53 PM

    Can't the Pope do better than this man for an in-house preacher? It rather diminishes anything BXVI says when one considers that he has been listening to Fr. Cantalemessa. He was appointed by JPII in 1980. 30 YEARS of this drivel! He says that wives should disobey their husbands and that unbaptized babies go to Heaven, among other things. http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/d006htPapalPreacher_Obedience.htm http://www.fatimaperspectives.com/sv/perspective517.asp Aaarghhh!

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  12. Dear Father Cantalamessa,

    We don't hope for a Messiah like the Jews; we have a Messiah and His name is Jesus. Also, this business about praying that the Jews will remain faithful to the Old Covenant- what is that? Are you denying that Jesus Christ instututed a New Covenant under which all men, including Jews, are to be saved? And why is it necessary for you to even bring up this matter at such a profoundly Christian devotion? Preacher to the papal household - eh? You wouldn't be if I had the reins of command. Off to a monastery in the desert with you and your sickening smile during such a profoundly sorrowful ceremony!

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  13. It's bad enough that he imprudently, stupidly compared the present furor over the homosexual cleric abuse scandal and smears of the Holy Fathers with anti-semitism. But that is by no means the worst part of his homily. Another, even more serious problem is the way he left unqualified and explained his Jewish friend's erroneous statement that "we both live with Messianic hope that surely will reunite us in the love of our common Father."

    But worst of all is his denial of the propitiatory nature of the Eucharistic Sacrifice:

    "In Christ, it is God who makes himself victim, not the victim (in Freud, the primordial father) that, once sacrificed, is successively raised to divine dignity (the Father of the Heavens). It is no longer man that offers sacrifices to God, but God who 'sacrifices' himself for man, consigning for him to death his Only-begotten Son (cf. John 3:16). Sacrifice no longer serves to 'placate' the divinity, but rather to placate man and to make him desist from his hostility toward God and his neighbor."

    He makes a lot of good points in his homily, but overall this is one of the worst, most objectionable Good Friday homilies I ever encountered. But anyone who has read his homilies published in ZENIT over the past decade will not be surprised at the poor quality and doctrinal lapses of this message. Hopefully the controversy and embarrassment caused by his homily will convince the Pope to send Father Raniero to an overdue retirement.

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  14. It's bad enough that he imprudently, stupidly compared the present furor over the homosexual cleric abuse scandal and smears of the Holy Fathers with anti-semitism. But that is by no means the worst part of his homily. Another, even more serious problem is the way he left unqualified and unexplained his Jewish friend's erroneous statement that "we both live with Messianic hope that surely will reunite us in the love of our common Father."

    But worst of all is his denial of the propitiatory nature of the Eucharistic Sacrifice:

    "In Christ, it is God who makes himself victim, not the victim (in Freud, the primordial father) that, once sacrificed, is successively raised to divine dignity (the Father of the Heavens). It is no longer man that offers sacrifices to God, but God who 'sacrifices' himself for man, consigning for him to death his Only-begotten Son (cf. John 3:16). Sacrifice no longer serves to 'placate' the divinity, but rather to placate man and to make him desist from his hostility toward God and his neighbor."

    He makes a lot of good points in his homily, but overall this is one of the worst, most objectionable Good Friday homilies I ever encountered. But anyone who has read his homilies published in ZENIT over the past decade will not be surprised at the poor quality and doctrinal lapses of this message. Hopefully the controversy and embarrassment caused by his homily will convince the Pope to send Father Raniero to an overdue retirement.

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  15. Anonymous2:43 PM

    Is Fr. denying the New Covenant? Why should he not? Did not JPII say that the Old Covenant has never been revoked? I haven't heard anything about that recently. Certainly, non-Catholics are not in much danger of a Catholic informing them in Charity that the Catholic Church is the One, True Faith, instituted by Christ for the Salvation and Sanctification of souls. ALL souls! "When we say that faith is necessary for the remission of sins, we mean to speak of the CATHOLIC faith, not heretical faith." St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori, The Apostolic Digest, Catholic Treasures

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  16. Anonymous2:44 PM

    "but overall this is one of the worst, most objectionable Good Friday homilies I ever encountered"

    Are you afraid of the word "heretical" ? This is heresy being preached in Rome, in the presence of the Roman Pope!

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  17. Anonymous2:49 PM

    Don't worry. Fr Cantalamessa is in "full communion".

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  18. Anonymous5:50 PM

    Ponte wrote:

    "Padre Cantalamessa is not a very prudent man. Not surprisingly, his remarks are backfiring and now the Jews are wound up and angry again against the Holy Father."


    They're angry? Who cares? Let them be angry. This is not newsworthy.

    P.K.T.P.

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  19. Anonymous5:57 PM

    Notice how, somehow, the media has used this little incident to divert attention from the Triduum Sacram and its meaning to ... passover, the Holocaust, and anti-Semitism? Even the sexual abuse issue was not allowed to distract attention from the Sacrifice of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. No, the importance of that has to be displaced by references to ... masoretic Judaism. I suggest that the best course for this blog is to ignore what the media is doing. We focus on Christ. We think about the Redemption, the Crucifixion, the Harrowing of Hell, the Resurrection. We focus on that. Everything else cometh of evil. So let's drop this other stuff now. Some people on this blog are determined to help our enemies replace the Crown of Thorns with an image of barbed wire from the Second World War. What's going on there?

    P.K.T.P.

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  20. Anonymous6:03 PM

    In regard to Jordanes's rather good remarks, I cannot help but wonder what Fr. Cantalamessa's true agenda is. Yes, it's time for him to go, and his entire message was out of keeping with the meaning of Good Friday. He must have become confused and mixed up his sermon notes for Holocaust Memorial Day with those for Black Friday, except that he also thought it wise to raise the sexual abuse scandal.

    The abuse scandal is soemthing this Pope should address by very concerted action. But the Holy Father is right that all correctives must begin in prayer. This time, above all, is a time for prayer and mortifications. The time for addressing the abuse scandal is after Eastertide. The response will take time and will have to be thorough. The planning for this might be, for instance, this summer; and the implementation could begin in the autumn.

    P.K.T.P.

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  21. Anonymous6:08 PM

    In reference to this priest being, ahem, 'moved', I change the subject slightly here to note some interesting retirements coming up, as follows:

    Roger Cardinal Mahony, over 74 and with an coadjutor apparently coming soon to a church near you;

    Giovanni Batista Cardinal Re, won't be missed as the last loyalist of the clown papacy;

    Walter Cardinal Kasper: his exit will be celebrated;

    Claudio Cardinal Hummes, his exit will mark the decline of the red star and the end of the period of accommodation with those who would replace the real Heaven with a heaven-on-earth made with human hands.

    Stock your cellars with Dom Perignon for 2010.

    P.K.T.P.

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  22. Adeodatus7:24 PM

    It is incorrect to accuse Fr. Cantalamessa, whatever his merits or flaws may be, of having compared anything with anti-Semitism. That comparison was made by a Jew who is Fr. Cantalamessa's friend and correspondent.

    How ironic, though, that the kind and charitable words of a Jew should on Good Friday get the pagans and the Jewish leaders stirred into a reckless furor.

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  23. Anonymous11:03 PM

    LeonG said: "I would estimate roughly that the societal problem is almost double that of The Church."Actually, in a (forgotten) 2004 study, it is reported that 'abuse in schools is 100 times worse than by priests'! http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/apr/10040101.html We Catholics recognize and sorrow for what has been done by a very small % of priests. Worse, is the anger of knowing that our bishops did not act and are still making lame excuses for their incompetence. We cannot very well defend the indefensible. BXVI must ACT!

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  24. Anonymous said,

    My calculations are number of abuses in UK while the other report, if I recall applies to USA. In any case, we both draw attention to a problem that is increasing exponentially whichever way one analyses it. It is certainly going to get worse as sexual perverts, enfranchised professionally by the law become "teachers" with a ready made captive market ripe for abuse without consequences as a misdirected media & teaching authorities become increasingly disorientated by the false eldorado of liberty equality & fraternity.

    I noticed a US documentary on one teacher who was seducing a young pupil which went to court and had various consequences. However, the programme was nauseatingly amoral in its coverage, almost converting the miscreant educator into a victim-type.

    In an era when good is counted as evil and evil is counted as good we can foresee eventual legal changes facilitating the inexhaustible sexual appetites of the moral anarchists who are holding most of the political aces at present.

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  25. "Worse, is the anger of knowing that our bishops did not act and are still making lame excuses for their incompetence. We cannot very well defend the indefensible. BXVI must ACT!

    To which we might add

    "Let any member of the clergy caught in that vice against nature, given that the wrath of God falls over the sons of perfidy, be removed from the clerical order or forced to do penance in a monastery" (chap. 4, X, V, 31. Fifth Lateran Council [1512-1517])

    If it is the latter let us hope it is not a liberal one!

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  26. "Some people on this blog are determined to help our enemies replace the Crown of Thorns with an image of barbed wire from the Second World War. What's going on there?"

    Mr. Perkins:

    I would like to see you substantiate your accusation.

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  27. John McFarland9:10 PM

    Tim,

    Confusion is the inevitable result of trying to please both God and the world. The doubleminded man is unstable in all his ways -- particularly between his ears and on his tongue.

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  28. Anonymous1:26 AM

    We don't have the same Father. Scripture states: "He who does not have the Son does not have the Father. Did I miss anything?

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