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Relevant International Una Voce documents

The International Una Voce Federation (FIUV) has released to the public two interesting reports:


Anonymous said...

Very thorough report. Allowing and actually legislating a Tridentine Mass in every parish or at least every one where it is truly possible without the excuse of lack of interest seems the best route to go now. But with all due respect to the past and simple lay folk what were we supposed to think, not just from Bishops and Priests, but Pope Paul VI himself with the issuance of Missale Romanum? And his allocutions, "parting with the Chant of the Angels", and losing the wonderful Latin Liturgy" and the command that as of Advent 1969 EVERYONE would have to use the new Novus Ordo Mass. By the mid 70's it did not surprise me that the Tridentine Mass had all but disappeared. What Priest would have kept on celebrating it in defiance of the Pope? I believe the MP, SP is in part due to the dismal failure of the Pauline Missal to revitalize the Faith and the actual figures seem to suggest it is not what people wanted or what the Vat II Council called for. And I am a post Vat II Catholic who attends the Tridentine Mass. I too felt the NO Mass did not "grow up" with me and mature, that being its' inherent flaw. Valid, yes. Spiritually and the best representation of the Catholic Faith, no.

Anonymous said...

Actually, I thought that some of the information on countries was very inaccurate, although most was good.

What may help would be a more careful statistical analysis.


Vox Cantoris said...

Perhaps Wikileaks will past PART 3.

Anonymous said...

The problem would be moved closer to solution if the Holy Father dumped the Novus Ordo and replaced it with the Latin Mass in the vernacular and have the Latin Mass in Latin as the standard. It would bring reverence back to the vernacular masses and stop all this unending liturgical nonsense and get the priests and laity out there trying to save souls not play liturgy.

Anonymous said...

I was surprised to see Saskatoon's Bishop Bolen on the list of those who have been positive towards the Latin Mass.

Anonymous said...

The important message I see conveyed in the report is that Una Voce recognizes that SP was dead on arrival in most places, and is actively being suppressed by the episcopate. Una Voce seems to be making every effort to get this information to the right people. This is great news because Rome cannot rely on the episcopate to be honest about the implementation. Can you imagine what some of those “three year reports” from the bishops per SP look like?

I was surprised to see the bishop of Pittsburgh listed as being helpful. I’m not suggesting he wasn’t helpful, but I’m really curious in what sense he was. When trying to get SP implemented locally in the Pittsburgh Diocese, I was sent a letter (I have since sent this letter to the Ecclesia Dei Commission, in addition to the senior leadership of the SSPX, to provide material for their discussions) which basically asserts that the rules per Ecclesia Dei still apply (i.e. a priest cannot decide on his own to use the 1962 Missal in public without the consent of the bishop). In our situation, the priest who expressed interest in saying the 1962 Mass was given a second parish because of a “pastoral need” in our town (which has three parishes within walking distance of each other). Maybe there was a pastoral need; I’m not going to judge (I can’t help wondering, however, if this was move to “max out” his Mass quota for the day as he is only permitted to binate). Wasn't the whole point of SP to relieve a bishop from making this type of decision? This diocese includes 211 parishes and covers 3753 square miles in six counties. The diocese has one parish which has "permission" to use the 1962 Missal. This is the way it was before SP (i.e. nothing has changed post SP). I was told, via the letter I spoke of earlier, that the single “ghetto parish” contains the only group of people which constitutes a legitimate "stable group" per SP. I was told that if anybody wants to regularly attend Mass according to the 1962 Missal, that s/he would have to go to this single location where it is provided, never mind the fact that some people in this diocese would have to travel well in excess of an hour (one-way) to get there. Talk about a ghetto mentality!

In Pittsburgh “there is a place for those type of people” – and it is going to stay that way unless something (i.e. SP clarification from PCED, new juridical structure or etc.) comes from Rome which changes things. SP sounds nice on paper, but as far as I’m concerned nothing has changed in this diocese and it’s not going to change without some type of intervention.

I don’t know whether the episcopate realizes it or not, but they are making, and have been for a long time, a prophet and hero out of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. I somehow doubt that is their intention, however.

The bishops seriously need to get over this. There are pinholes in the dam and it is ready to break! The movement for the traditional Mass is NOT going to go away, and in fact it is gaining a momentum to be reckoned with. Wake up bishops!

I want to extend a sincere “thank you” to all those at Una Voce involved in formulating these reports and getting them into the right hands in Rome. I feel better after reading this post on Rorate. It’s good to know there are people out there fighting for us second class citizens in the pew.

Jack said...

The Netherlands has also relaesed the report (part of Chapter 3 of the Fiuv report) to Rome:

Lois F said...

To: P.K.P.T

"A good report is given for Canada. This is hilarious. The m.p. has been ignored by most Canadian bishops. One of the every-Sunday gains (in terms of dioceses) has now been lost and our Mass is strictly forbidden there. I refer to the Diocese of Antigonish."

I live in the Diocese of Antigonish and attended my first and only EF Mass in June 2009 when it was offered here briefly. I had every intention of returning at least once a month (the chapel is 2 1/2 hours away from where I live) It was then suddenly discontinued in July 2009 and nothing more said. Would you be in a position to elaborate as to why the Mass was and is forbidden here? It certainly was not promoted. I heard about it quite by accident and I pray every day that it is offered again somewhere in this area, but from what you say this won't be happening anytime soon.

Anonymous said...

P.K.T.P said "I refer to the Diocese of Antigonish. In the very important Archdiocese of Winnipeg, a new every-Sunday Mass was rolled back to one Sunday per month. This might be all right if we could fulfill the Sunday obligation by going to Mass just once a month."

This is brilliant, Mr. Perkins! I never thought of it from this angle. If most the bishops insist on being obstructionists in terms of the implementation of SP, the alternative could be to lobby the Holy Father to dispense trads from the obligation of attending mass on Sunday/Holy Days. We could then just watch Mass online at a place like and be "cyber parishioners". I think you are onto something here!