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Finding a new home for the TLM in Cincinnati

From Ten Reasons:

With the blessing of Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr, an effort is underway to convert the recently closed St. Mark Church into the new home of the Traditional Latin liturgy in Cincinnati. Here is the enthusiastic and gracious letter of encouragement from His Excellency (click to enlarge):



I am humbled by this act of generosity from our shepherd. And God bless Una Voce of Greater Cincinnati for leading the charge.


The promotional site, www.restorestmarks.org, will be updated with information on how to donate. Please strongly consider doing so.


Pray a Te Deum in thanksgiving for this grace-filled opportunity this weekend; there is much work ahead.

23 comments:

  1. Hard to imagine this happening under Archbishop Pilarczyk, who generally treated the traditional mass like it was an outbreak of cholera.

    St. Mark's is indeed a beautiful church most suitable for the traditional mass. Congratulations to the (long suffering) latin mass community of Cincinnati.

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  2. Anonymous7:58 AM

    All of this is wonderful news, and I congratulate the good people who are attached to the Mass of the Ages in Cincinnati, also those in Tucson.

    Still, while we should welcome improvements in every see, I really do wish for some progress in those U.S. (and other) dioceses in which there are so far no Latin Masses at all or none every Sunday. There remain thirty of these in the U.S.A. alone.

    The diocese is that section of God's people which is local, and the ancient Mass should be available in each diocese, not only for those who are attached to it but for the entire population. It belongs to all faithful, and not only to traditionalists.

    Let's hope and pray that the Holy Father will take some concrete steps in the coming clarification to rectify this situation. In my own country, the Dominion of Canada, only a handfull of dioceses have the Traditional Latin Mass on any basis or from any source, including the S.S.P.X. Other countries fall into that category as well.

    I don't mind if the N.O. people have their Mass, really, provided that they let us have ours. But many of them will fight against this. How I wish this war were over.

    P.K.T.P.

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  3. Anonymous2:09 PM

    A charming and encouraging letter from a shepherd who obviously loves the flock that Our Lord has entrusted to his care. Please for for this good bishop, that God will bless him in every way

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  4. Anonymous2:43 PM

    Wonderful news!!

    How many souls will be fed with heavenly beauty that should always accompany our Eucharistic Lord!

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  5. Anonymous3:20 PM

    So right out of the darkness of Bernardin's first see, a star has arisen. This is hard to imagine.

    It makes me think that those of us suffering in the dioceses that were ravaged by his influence should have some hope. That really is a beautiful church.

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  6. "So right out of the darkness of Bernardin's first see, a star has arisen. This is hard to imagine.

    It makes me think that those of us suffering in the dioceses that were ravaged by his influence should have some hope."

    Well, Chicago has long been a beacon for the TLM not just in the USA but in the whole Trad world. The truly decisive factor is the presence of brave and farsighted priests...

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  7. Anonymous4:56 PM

    It's of no small coincidence that the Diocese of Cincinnati makes this announcement on the heels of the "newly established" SSPX Priory, Our of the Assumption, in nearby Walton, KY...
    Under the guise of genuine concern for the "Fight for Tradition" and access to the Traditional Mass, the real purpose is lure good intentioned souls so as to detract support and/or attendance that would otherwise go to the SSPX.

    "All those who agree to deal with the Ecclesia Dei Commission lose a genuine sense of the fight for Tradition." - Archbsp. Marcel Lefebvre

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  8. It's of no small coincidence that the Diocese of Cincinnati makes this announcement on the heels of the "newly established" SSPX Priory, Our of the Assumption, in nearby Walton, KY...

    I doubt His Excellency was even aware of it.

    And thank you for linking to my post. There will be many updates on my site in the coming months.

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  9. Although not a Roman Rite Catholic, I applaud the Archbishop for this gesture. Such a beautiful Church edifice and I hope a history of it with more photos will be posted.
    First a Latin Mass Church in Dayton and now Cincinnati. Wonderful Blessing!

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  10. Anon. said:

    "It's of no small coincidence that the Diocese of Cincinnati makes this announcement on the heels of the "newly established" SSPX Priory..."


    Copy and paste the URL below, scroll down to page 4 and see the real reason Cincinnati is getting a Church for the True Mass. The moral is: invite the SSPX Order into your diocese and let them start their real Catholic Schools and THEN you might get to start a TLM!!

    http://sspx.org/RCRpdfs/2010_rcrs/november_2010_rcr.pdf


    VATICAN II PLUS TWO =

    And where are the schools?
    The daily Mass,
    Lines to confess,
    A uniformed lass?

    And where are the schools?
    The Latin class,
    Cassocked priest,
    Candles in brass?

    And where are the schools?
    To strengthen souls,
    Shape their wills,
    Set the goals?

    And where are the schools?
    The altar boy,
    Assisting priest,
    Like Christ, their joy?

    And where are the schools?
    Oh, time you lied,
    Two generations
    Have gone and died.

    And where are the schools?
    Which don’t derive,
    That two plus two
    Are sometimes five?

    S – S – P – X,
    They’re found in large,
    Where struggling families
    Let priest take charge.

    For the good of the whole,
    Priests’ lives are laid,
    So many may come,
    Not be afraid.

    And win the Faith,
    From Christ-like hand…
    St. Pie the Tenth
    Two and two are grand!!

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  11. Hard indeed, as Athelstane pointed out, to imagine the sour old 70s Stalinist Pilarczyk permitting this type of glasnost.

    As a long-time denizen of the Greater Cincinnati metropolitan area and and interested observer of the trad scene here, I agree with Anonymous 16:56's statement that the St. Mark's announcement is connected with St. Pius X's move from the city down to Walton (at least 25 miles to the south.

    While this particular point probably didn't occur to Abp. Schnurr himself, I'm sure it did to whoever proposed the idea to him. My guess: it came from a former St. Pius X parishioner who got involved in the Motu Proprio group.

    Another facet of the St. Mark's choice that's gone unremarked: it's just five minutes away from Fr. Willliam Jenkins' Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood, which is affiliated (at least loosely) with Bishop Kelly's SSPV.

    There is no way to convince me that this wasn't a factor in choosing St. Mark's, since the Archdiocese was ticked when Fr. Jenkins group managed to buy Immaculate Conception from them using a front corporation. I think it was payback time.

    Unlike myself and the rest of the SGG clergy, moreover, Fr. Jenkins avoids speaking about the "sede vacante" issue, so there would be no reason for some of his parishioners, perhaps, not to avail themselves of a convenient and "legal" option nearby.

    Meanwhile down in Walton, the Diocese of Covington set up a Motu Mass at a beautiful new (and traditionally designed) church just across I-71 from the new St. Pius X installation.

    A possible marketing pitch: Why settle for SSPX's "partial communion" with the pope, when you can get "full communion" with the pope in a nice church just across the road?

    If it's just "Latin Mass Catholicism" you're interested in, it's pretty hard to beat that.

    All these developments are very interesting to watch. Someone in the local Vatican II hierarchy, it seems, is paying attention to strategy.

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  12. Anonymous1:10 AM

    I will never ceased to be amazed at how certain people will always find reason to nit pick and judge the actions of the Church's prelates by labeling it a ploy to lure people away from the SSPX, etc. Is it so hard for some people to believe that His Grace is genuinely concerned for the welfare of his flock? Must such happy news always be turned into a diocesan/SSPX debate?

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  13. As a long-time denizen of the Greater Cincinnati metropolitan area and and interested observer of the trad scene here, I agree with Anonymous 16:56's statement that the St. Mark's announcement is connected with St. Pius X's move from the city down to Walton (at least 25 miles to the south.

    Contemporaneity, like correlation, does not imply causation.

    While this particular point probably didn't occur to Abp. Schnurr himself, I'm sure it did to whoever proposed the idea to him. My guess: it came from a former St. Pius X parishioner who got involved in the Motu Proprio group.

    Why not say his neighbor's dog told him to support the idea? After all, we're only guessing.

    Another facet of the St. Mark's choice that's gone unremarked: it's just five minutes away from Fr. Willliam Jenkins' Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood, which is affiliated (at least loosely) with Bishop Kelly's SSPV.

    There is no way to convince me that this wasn't a factor in choosing St. Mark's, since the Archdiocese was ticked when Fr. Jenkins group managed to buy Immaculate Conception from them using a front corporation. I think it was payback time.


    St. Mark's is within a five minute's drive of every stripe of parish in the archdiocese. It was chosen because it's (1) gorgeous and thus a fitting place for the traditional liturgy and (2) on the market and in danger of being lost to the Church.

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  14. Anon. said:

    "Is it so hard for some people to believe that His Grace is genuinely concerned for the welfare of his flock? Must such happy news always be turned into a diocesan/SSPX debate?"

    "Know thine enemy"!! St. Ignatius Loyola.

    The problem is most Catholics today don't even know there IS an enemy!

    Let's see if His Grace will start other Traditional Latin Masses in other parts of the diocese besides right where the SSPX Masses/Schools are. I would be THRILLED to see that as the True Mass affords the faithful many, MANY graces and the strength to start Catholic Schools, retreat houses, convents, etc.!! Almost every place where there has been an Indult or other Traditional Mass venue it has been placed near an SSPX Chapel. I only pray that if the SSPX Chapels where DAILY Mass is confected never close down because I don't think that will bode well for those TLM's set up near the SSPX Chapels/Schools. Without truly strong shepherds I'm afraid they will fold when push comes to shove with a new/or Liberal Bishop. "...and Mine sheep know Me."

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  15. Anonymous3:50 AM

    "Let's see if His Grace will start other Traditional Latin Masses in other parts of the diocese besides right where the SSPX Masses/Schools are."

    The Archdiocese of Cincinnati already has one parish with daily TLM, the FSSP-run Holy Family Catholic Church in Dayton. No SSPX chapel or school there.

    http://www.unavocecincinnati.org/schedule.html

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  16. "If it's just "Latin Mass Catholicism" you're interested in, it's pretty hard to beat that."

    Father,
    which of course is the same as Catholicism.
    which indeed is pretty hard to beat.

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  17. Anonymous3:50 PM

    Speaking of two plus two equalling five, I am wondering how the a Traditional Catholic adds up their attendance at an SSPX chapel where there is an FSSP option across the street?

    If, in fact, almost "every place where there has been an Indult or other Traditional Mass venue it has been placed near an SSPX Chapel", I am wondering what mathematics the SSPX attendees use to arrive at the decision to support the illegal form of the Roman Rite?

    Undoubtedly, this topic has been beaten to death on this blog ... but since this particular thread highlights the proximity of "options", it should perhaps highlight the motivations for choosing which option to support.

    If you decide to attend/support the SSPX school/parish which is equidistant to the FSSP school/parish then the question is ... why? Is it for their sports programs? Hot lunch?

    The equation seems more algebraic than mathematical. X + Y = SSPX. Manipulating variables can achieve all sorts of "correct" answers.

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  18. To Dan:

    Your point is well taken.

    Perhaps instead of “Latin Mass Catholicism,” I should have said “Latin Mass-ism.”

    By this I mean mostly ignoring the fundamental problems that official post-Vatican II doctrines and disciplines present, and taking refuge in the aesthetic/nostalgic world of traditional ceremonies conducted in really pretty churches.

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  19. Anon. said:

    "The Archdiocese of Cincinnati already has one parish with daily TLM, the FSSP-run Holy Family Catholic Church in Dayton. No SSPX chapel or school there."

    Of course that's good to hear and hopefully they will start setting up schools for the many, MANY large Catholic families so the priests truly can "feed My sheep"!

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  20. Anonymous7:08 PM

    The corruption trickles down from the top and when it finally reaches the family in the pew, the family in the pew makes personal decisions about the situation. Some support the SSPV, others the SSPX, others still the FSSP.

    The problem lies in Traditional "relativism" where each of these "options" are considered equal. They are not.

    The clergy in these societies can deal with the "fundamental problems that official post-Vatican II doctrines and disciplines present"; the laity, however, will simply account for their decision to support a society that is either within the law, outside the law, or a law unto itself.

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  21. Father Cekada,

    I understand what you are saying.
    There are many problems with not only the 'hermeneutic" of many of the Council documents, but with the documents themselves.
    But this doesn't take away from the fact that every single Catholic Mass offered by a validly ordained priest, whether he offers the TLM [which all Latin priests should] or another form or rite of a Catholic Mass, are in fact exactly that, valid Catholic Masses offered by the tens of thousands of Catholic priests the world over.

    What I am trying to say as I ramble on is that the offering of any Mass in the Latin Rite, be it TLM or NO is a good and efficacious thing, because of what it is, and the huge issues that follow the horrid documents of VII should be kept seperate from the Mass, all the while discussions take place over their meanings.
    I hope I make myself perfectly murky.
    Man I wish I could be as concise as you are Father.

    Come home please Father!
    You would make such an asset to the Marines fighting on the beachhead!

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  22. The assertions that this step from the archbishop has to do with the SSPX or any other group in disobedience to Church authority shows an absolute lack of knowledge of the situation. From the beginning Archbiship Schurr has been favorable to improving matters liturgical in Cincinnati(and the Church in general). While co-adjutor of Cincinnati Schurr went to far as to state publically that a better translation of the Paul of Paul VI is desirable (or was it necessary?). After becoming archbishop (only a year ago) he fairly quickly established an FSSP parish where there was no "competition" from dissident groups.

    There are two basic reasons why this move to establish an extaordinary form parish are occuring now. The first is that there is now a recently retired priest available who can serve as a full time chaplain for this community. This priest has retired some time in the past year and I want to say some time within the past six months. The second reason is that within the past year or two (and remember that before last December Schurr was not yet Archbishop) it has increasingly become the case that the extraordinary form community could truly benefit from its own parish. While this has probably always been the case various practical factors have increased to value of this more recently.

    Knowing most, if not all, of the laity involved in this effort I can say that none of those I know was ever an adherent of the SSPX or any other dissident group. One seems to have given some support to the SSPX in addition to authorizred Tridentine Masses some years before Benedict XVI was even elected pope.

    I am sure that both the clergy and laity involved in this effort would be pleased if various adherents of Cincinnati's varied dissident factions would reconcile with the Church as a result. But I cannot imagine it being anything more than absurd to view this matter as primary as to why this effort.

    Having lived in Cincinnati for a number of years and still visiting regularly to see family who have moved to that area I am reasonably well connected to this group and I have been involved in successful efforts to established the celebration of the extraordinary form in another location and I think I can speak for many of the laity involved in such efforts when I say that our first loyalty is to the Church, not the Tridentine Mass. To the extent that we can have the Tridentine Mass in obedience to Church authority we will accept such a possibility; but we have no desire to become involve with any disobedient group over the issue. To the extent that we engage in efforts to have this liturgy more widely celebrated it is for ourselves and other faithful Catholics who desire it or may come to appreciate it. We no longer have the bishops of the
    1980s and we do have Pope Benedict's motu proprio and so we have increasing numbers of bishops willing to facilitate our having the Tridentine Mass. The fact that we want nothing to do with the SSPX (rather than threaten to run off to it) only helps our relationship with Church authorities.

    The SSPX could set up a major operation complete with 4 or 5 daily Masses and who knows what else in Cincinnati or the SSPX could close up its operation in the city entirely and I really do not think that either would have any real impact on this effort. If some of those involved with these dissident groups return so much the better. Concern for what such groups are doing is, at best, a secondary thought in such efforts. Those involved with various dissident groups who think that their own machinations of much to do with efforts such as that in Cincinnati are simply overestimating their own importance.

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  23. Anonymous11:09 PM

    Long Skirts said:

    Of course that's good to hear and hopefully they will start setting up schools for the many, MANY large Catholic families so the priests truly can "feed My sheep"!

    Pollyannaish thinking. The NO schools currently operating cost so much that none of the "large Catholic families" mentioned could afford the tuition. Many of the NO families have limited their size purposely (and most of them in an illicit manner) so as to be able to "give their children the best." This is just more politics as Abp. Schnurr lobbies for a red hat! Fr. Cekada has hit the nail right on the head.

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