Rorate Caeli

Julian Calendar Christmas Greeting

Christ is Born! Glorify Him!

Merry Christmas to all Eastern Catholics and other Christians celebrating Christmas today!


Anonymous said...

The Greek Orthodox Church and other Eastern Orthodox Christians have a wonderful history and liturgy. Their Divine Liturgy is just about 98# the same in belief and theology as the traditional Roman Catholic Mass and our traditional belief (not the Vatican II notion).

We are 98% in agreement with the Greek and Eastern Orthodox Churches, and share much in common.....which is why I always wonder why the Vatican EVER decided to destroy our time honored and beautiful traditional Latin Mass and all of out Catholic traditions, and instead try to pursue ecumenical relations, dialogue and union (LOL !!!!!) with Protestant groups, with whom we share NOTHING in common.

What a waste of time and energy!! All we have managed to do is corrupt our own liturgical tradition and the Church !! The futility and stupidity of it all boggles the mind!

Jordanes said...

Protestant groups, with whom we share NOTHING in common.

Hyperbole at best.

LeonG said...

Better than celebrating Christmas once is to do so twice. Merry Christmas indeed!

oremusrob said...

To say we're in 98% agreement with the Eastern Orthodox is hyperbole as well. While we can say there is a basic common sacramentality with the Eastern Orthodox, there are still key, extensive differences that will probably never be truly, fully bridged. At least not if we're going to be taking Pius XI's Mortaliam Animos and Pius XII's Humanae Generis seriously.

And the pursuit of ecumenism with Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox has been problematic as well, as a review of the Balamand document and present-day Codes of Canon law show.

Anonymous said...

Eastern "orthodoxy" is not the path to salvation no matter how beautiful the liturgy is. The denial of Peter as the head of the church as JESUS himself made him is not a little matter. Outside the Church there is NO Salvation so if i was a member of that schismatic body and was concerned for my salvation i would be searching for an Eastern Rite CATHOLIC church immediatedly!!

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

To say that the Orthodox and the Catholics are in agreement on 98% of the topics is awfully naïve, to say the least. There are very serious divisions over numerous issues other than Papal primacy and the Filioque, and one can argue that the Orthodox and Catholics have developed different mindsets altogether. Many Catholic ecumenists and a lot of Greek Catholics like to insist that Orthodoxy and Catholicism merely use differing theologies / theological systems and terminologies to explain what are essentially two identical sets of belief, but most Orthodox reject this idea, as did the Catholic Church prior to the 1970’s. The attempts of certain ecumenists to insist on the complete “harmony” of Orthodoxy and Catholicism are among the worst examples that I’ve seen of trying to square the circle.

At the same time, I’m deeply suspicious of those Catholics who, whenever confronted with the undeniable beauty of major aspects of the heritage of the dissident Eastern Churches, can only shout “schismatic! schismatic!”, as if the sight of their liturgies and the sound of their music are dangerous to Catholics and should be suppressed.

I think that both attitudes are but two sides of the same coin. It seems to me that, faced with the internal crisis in Catholicism, some Catholics have developed a profound insecurity (sign of a weak faith in the Catholic Church) vis-à-vis the apparent inner stability of the dissident Orthodox Churches. This insecurity manifests itself in two ways.

Carlos Antonio Palad said...

The first way is in the need to be convinced that the Orthodox don’t believe differently from Catholics and that whatever the Orthodox Church offers is perfectly legitimate for Catholics to accept. A corollary to this is the insistence that union be proclaimed pronto between Rome and the Orthodox Patriarchates, because “nothing really separates us”, and to insist on continued separation on account of legitimate doctrinal differences is nothing more than bigotry and narrow-mindedness. There is also the insistence to be found in some Catholic circles that speedy reunion is necessary because we Catholics need the strength of the Orthodox in order to combat modernism in the Catholic Church. I think that this line of reasoning is quite absurd: aside from the fact that the Orthodox have plenty of their own problems, a premature union isn’t necessary to make Catholics appreciate and draw from the beauty of the Orthodox liturgy. Furthermore, a reunion between East and West at this point in time is more likely going to result in fidgety “Catholic” modernists trying to lay their hands on whatever it is that the Orthodox have managed to preserve, rather than on Orthodox cathedrals suddenly having a magic effect on the nearest Catholic parish. (This fear doesn’t justify the continuing separation of the East from Rome, but neither does it help anyone to have any illusions about what is humanly possible with a union between Orthodoxy and Catholicism.)

The second way by which this insecurity is manifested is the need to find new things to throw against the Orthodox and even against the Greek Catholics. In this other extreme, it is not enough to reiterate the position traditionally taken by Rome vis-à-vis the East. Instead, fresh and heightened accusations of heresy and degeneration must be made to stick against the Orthodox.

I am of the opinion that a healthy Catholic attitude towards Orthodoxy can be described as follows: let us be frank about the fact that the Orthodox are in schism, and that they have developed problematic theological, moral and canonical positions that shold not be minimized (or exaggerated, for that matter). At the same time, let us fully appreciate and praise -- without the need to be apologetic about doing so -- the very real beauty and profundity that, by the mercy of God, has been preserved among the Orthodox.

oremusrob said...


Well put!