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The Ordinariates and the pensée unique

It seems that too many former Anglicans are bringing with them a dangerous Liberal-influenced pensée unique that finds too many friends in the "magic circles" of "Rupturist" (in the sense of the hermeneutic of rupture) Catholic chanceries.

This has already been causing major ripples in relations with the Traditional Anglican Communion in North America. And now, this, from John Hunwicke:

I think I had better share with my friends the distressing news that my ordination within the Catholic Church has been "deferred". 
I think there has been some misunderstanding about the content of my blog, which I regret. Regular readers of the blog will be aware that its main characteristic is that of total submission to the Church's Magisterium, and of profound admiration for the person and writings of the present Sovereign Pontiff; and so my prayer is that present misunderstanding will very speedily be resolved. In the meantime, I am closing down this blog with immediate effect, and I shall promptly delete any comments on it (or emails sent to me) which are in any way whatsoever critical of the Catholic Church, or any of its officers, or of the Ordinariate; or which recommend me to adhere to any other ecclesial body. 
Despite everything, I remain convinced that the Ordinariate is the only means of achieving the great vision of the Catholic Revival, longed for by so many great and holy men and women, learnedly described in our own time by Fr Aidan Nichols: an Anglicanism reordered after heresy and schism, an Anglicanism United But Not Absorbed.


  1. Anonymous8:59 AM

    The reception of Anglicans via AC rather than individual submission and penance is a potential disaster.

    Only the other day Mr. Hunwicke (although he still calls himself 'Fr') was advocating giving Catholic sacraments to heretics.

    With friends like these Traditionalists certainly don't need enemies

  2. As a convert from Protestantism myself, I believe that a much, much, longer period of adaptation to the Catholic Church would have been necessary, especially for those who are to receive Holy Orders (even though I sympathize with the plight that must be life in a state of 'clerical limbo'). I know many Anglicans, particularly "Anglo-Catholics", think they are "almost Catholic" - but, honestly, they are really far from a true and deep sensus catholicus - and a lifetime without true Sacramental grace other than that of Baptism is not easily remedied in a few weeks or months.

  3. Anonymous9:48 AM

    I don't quite agree with all that is being written here. I'd take more extreme views: exclusion from corporate union of the FiF gang in England, who are mere neo-cons, and a neo-con is only a liberal in slow motion. They are neo-con papolaters who compromise on the liturgy because they have few principles and no love for beauty, which is why they only came across after Rowan the Druid refused to give them even the slightest protection. They’d rather be Protestant than Catholic, which is why our LibChurch and our magic circle in England love them so much. Birds of a feather flock together, and our bishops prefer Marxist red as their colour of choice, just like their Anglican confreres.

    In contrast, however, the TAC are superb people; they are the real thing and I welcome them. But because they are traditionalists of a sort, they are opposed at every turn by Rome, by the local bishops, by Canterbury, by the ‘continuers’, by Col. Saunders--you name it. That’s what you get for being traditional in your orientation You certainly don’t get benefits from a Rome infected by Modernism.


  4. Anonymous4:03 PM

    "The TAC are superb people." Oh, really? Read this article:

    This man is supposed to be a bishop in the TAC and he didn't know that joining an Ordinariate means becoming a Catholic? What planet is he on?

    The TAC are constantly bleating about how they were the first to approach Rome, how they showed how serious they were by signing the Portsmouth declaration of assent to the Catholic faith. Yeah, right.
    The good bishop now says that it was a misunderstanding. If a bishop in the TAC is so ignorant, how much worse must their clergy and laity be? With converts like these, who needs enemies?

  5. \\The reception of Anglicans via AC rather than individual submission and penance is a potential disaster.\\

    I think it would be better to speak of "reconciliation and reception into communion" rather than "submission."

    Alas, the TAC parish in my city is NOT interested in Anglicanorum coetibus.

  6. Anonymous4:46 PM

    Anon. 16.03

    I wouldn't believe anything written on Virtue On-line, which is clearly a 'continuer' rag that spews venom against anyone who would leave Anglicanism for the Catholic Church. I advise you to print its articles so that they can be used to line birdcages.

    Moreover, judging the TAC on the grounds of one bishop (whoever he may be), is obviously joke logic.

    Yes, the TAC did come to Rome eons before the FiF people did, and the TACers left the Canterbury Communion the instant it started simulating the ordination of women to the priesthood. Its members sacrificed everything to remain true to their principles. They didn't stay in the C. of E. until the last dog was hung, collecting their perks while women were being ordained and then claiming that women priests were acceptable but, oh!, women bishops were not. Hypocrites!

    What has been emerging in England is an Ordinariate that is nothing more than a special place for the Novus Ordo Forward-in-Faith neo-con papolaters. There is so far no place there for the Missal Anglicans who are much closer to real Catholic traditionalism and who actually care about inconvenient things such as beauty and truth. As we are now seeing, even those Missal Anglicans from the Church of England are being swept to the side. What sort of Anglican would adopt the Novus Ordo trainwreck in the 1970s? Not a traditional one. They adopted the noxious concoction of Bugnini the Barbarian.

    I really do pray for a better outcome. At this time, there is much to hope for and there are good signs. But we are so far far from home.


  7. Anonymous4:56 PM

    On the asinine comment of "Anonymous", the reference by link is to one of the American TAC leaders who is NOT coming across and is NOT applying for membership in an ordinariate. We are obviously referring here to those who ARE coming over when we say that these incomers are well-oriented.


  8. Anonymous5:03 PM

    Jack does not tell us where his city is.

    No one here is denying that A.C. caused a split in the TAC. It would be incredible had it not done so. Most such mergings result in splinterings at the same time. When the TAC was founded internationally in 1991, it was the refuge of those seeking an escape from liberal Anglicanism. So it was based more on a set of things its members opposed rather than complete agreement on everything. Some TAC people were High Church Protestants and, as such, we should not be surprised that they are not coming into the ordinariates. Others were ritualists who 'hid out' in the TAC because their marriage situations were irregular.

    When I refer to the TAC coming across, I am obviously think of those in it who are coming across, not those who are not. Duh!

    A large proportion of the TAC in the U.S.A. (the A.C.A.) is not coming along. Nor is the tiny TAC in Ireland. Some of its parishes elsewhere are not coming along either. I wish them well. The TAC's decision to apply for membership in the ordinariates is yet more more proof that it is willing to make sacrifices (in this case, the sacrifice of internal division) to be Catholic.

    The magic circle in England and our Marxist bishops throughout the world (e.g. in Quebec) would prefer to put the TAC incomers under 'others' who are more agreeable to them, like FiF people who actually prefer the Novus Ordo, that liturgical effect of the sixties revolution.


  9. Henry5:17 PM

    Whatever we here might think about Fr. Hunwicke, I strongly suspect that the trouble he is having with the Novus Magic Circle--which holds the reins to the ordinariate in Britian--is that they think he is far too traditionalist. Indeed, that they view him as a Tridentine Mass type, and therefore--like the rest of us TLM lovers--to be discouraged and dumped upon in every way possible.

  10. Anonymous5:57 PM

    I apologise just a little bit on some of my recent comments. While I don't retract the views, I do see the publication of some of them at this stage to be imprudent or counter-productive. I suppose I'm letting a little anger get the better of me, as we see that, as usual, traditionalists of all sorts get "dumped on", as Henry puts it.

    We should see the Ordinariate in England as a good thing on the whole because it brings at least conservative-leaning Anglicans into a better place. I do wish, however, that the more traditionalist TACers were given some small small place under the tent. I am hopeful that this will happen. We must remember that the liberals in our hierarchy are not supermen or gods: they also have their opponents in the same hierarchy, the Pope being one of them. The situation for U.E., for example, was bad but then improved, or so we are told.

    What matters most for me is liturgy, but I needn't reiterate specifics. I have heard several times now and from different sources that what is being planned is a Burnham Book for England & Wales (with Scotland in tow), and a book more amenable to the TAC, to be used across ordinariates. The former will likely be something like the present Book of Divine Worship (Anglican Use) in force since 1983 in the U.S.A.: a fusion of prayerbook forms and the Novus Ordo. The latter will likely fuse the 1662 English Prayerbook (as it is the mother one) with the pre-conciliar Roman Offertory and Canon.

    I am not sure yet if the second will be allowed in England. At this point, we don't know the texts or the details of the plans. But there are good men in our curia who do care about the TAC. So prayer is the best response.


  11. Not being an expert I cannot say if this is a good strategy or not but it might be good for those traditionally-minded Anglicans to keep their cards close to their vests for now and not reveal their convictions too openly to the liberal tyrants. After they are ordained they can start to carefully move into more agreeable circles.

    I realize that is a tortuous and frustrating road for them to take but, as the saying goes, "slowly, slowly catchee monkey."

    And, alas, after recently becoming familiar with Benedict's book "Jesus of Nazareth" I don't think these poor chaps can expect too much more help from him. Please God I am wrong on this, though.

  12. Henry thinks that is is they who think Fr Hunwicke is too traditional. I have been puzzling over this, & believe he is right. The English bishops are not supposed to be selecting the "re-ordinands", but they obviously have the power to keep out or defer anybody they disapprove of. The sooner the Ordinariate is properly self-governing, the better.

  13. Lee Terry Lovelock-Jemmott8:57 PM

    The Ordinariate seems more of an aberration each day the Liberal Magic Circle has its own designs on it and that the Holy See directly does not take the reins. I got to admit though, I was not the biggest fan of this innovation in the first place as this is taking place in the Latin Rite which generally does not and should not proceed to admit or allow married clergy.

  14. \\Jack does not tell us where his city is.\\

    Why should I?

    ** I was not the biggest fan of this innovation in the first place as this is taking place in the Latin Rite which generally does not and should not proceed to admit or allow married clergy.**

    Why not?

    I know married Catholic Priests of both Eastern Catholic Churches and the Latin Catholic Church--to say nothing about Orthodox clergy.

    They are loved and respected by their faithful.

  15. I hate this blog. The people who comment here are so ignorant, it's unbelievable!

    Fr Hunwicke is more a priest now in his current state than most Roman priests ordained after 1947 (the year Pius XII, the hero of Traddieland, made significant changes to the Roman Pontifical), or 1968. And Anglican Orders are null and utterly void!? What a load of crap!

  16. Anonymous8:43 AM

    Dear Jack:

    I only asked about which city you are in to get some idea of the TAC situation there. Three of the four TAC dioceses in the U.S.A. pulled out of plans to join the ordinariate, whereas the fourth is going in. There are also parishes from all TAC dioeses going this way or that.

    It's a bit more calm where I am, in Canada. There have been some defections but the TAC is mostly holding together. Ditto for Australia. Well, we in the colonies are less rebellious than are those Americans, eh?


  17. \\I only asked about which city you are in to get some idea of the TAC situation there.\\

    I prefer to give as little personal information about myself, such as my city of residence, as possible.

    It does sadden me that the TAC in the United States is, for the most part, not entering the Catholic Church. I see the various traditional Anglicans forming various splinters and sub-schisms, and I am deeply grieved for them. There is only one solution out of the spiritual morass in which they find themselves.

  18. Anonymous9:00 AM

    Do people mean AC is a potential disaster!?!?!?!

    And I read these from Tridentine traddie posts!

    This is part of Benedict XVI's whole vision which includes the traddie favourite Summorum Pontificum!

    Now if Anglicanorum coetibus is a disaster we can be almost sure that Summorum Pontificum will bump the "trendy" iceberg and sink faster than the Titanic.

    Perhaps traddies should make sure Anglicanorum coetibus works.

    Their survival counts on it.

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