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Statistics

[UPDATES:] Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter - FSSP: 230 priests.
Institute of Christ the King - ICRSS: 57 priests.
Institute of the Good Shepherd - IBP: 28 priests.
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With the ordination of 4 new priests this morning at Zaitskofen, Bavaria, the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX) has now reached 550 priestly members. 

In comparison with similar worldwide Societies of Apostolic Life with a missionary spirit, and with a much longer history, this means that the FSSPX now has almost a hundred more priests than P.I.M.E., more than double of the priests of the once glorious Society of Foreign Missions of Paris, and almost double the number of priests of the also once glorious and supremely influential Sulpicians - or about two thirds more than the priests of the Basilian Order of Saint Josaphat, who provide worldwide pastoral care to many faithful of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, a little over a quarter of the number of priests of the Personal Prelature of the Holy Cross and Opus Dei (original foundation: 1928), or, for a different perspective, about 7% of the decline in the number of priests of the Society of Jesus in the past 40 years...

We ask our readers to please add current numbers of priests of Ecclesia Dei societies and institutes, as well as those of religious societies "friendly" to the FSSPX, to the comments below.

33 comments:

  1. The FSSP had 223 priests as of October, 2010 (including associated and postulating priests), and they ordained one in Krakow and two in Denton this year, so I believe that brings the total to 226.

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  2. Prof. Basto1:04 PM

    So FSSP + SSPX = 776, and there are the other Ecclesia Dei institutes.

    I believe that its fair to say that there is "bad blood" between the SSPX and the FSSP, the sentiment of rivalry coming mostly from the SSPX, who despise the FSSP for having separated from them in the atermath of the Écône Consecrations. So there is this bad blood. But we should not fuel it.

    The statistics in themselves are important, and they are plain facts, they are not meant to fuel any bad sentiment.

    But there are those who might try to use the fact that the statistics show that the SSPX has twice the number of priests of the FSSP to fuel the rivalry.

    In the spirit of reconciliation that is sought by all who pray for the success of the Holy See-SSPX dialogue, we should combat any possibility of fueling that rivalry.

    So, let us look at those statistics and marvel at the total number of Traditional priests that the two Societies will have together on the joyous day when the SSPX is fully regularized canonically.

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  3. Cola di Cola1:56 PM

    In this "war" God will need all the soldiers He can get.

    If there is a competition between the FSSP and the SSPX so be it, at least they are providing badly needed priests for the Church.

    FSSP and SSPX; Deo Gratias

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  4. Anonymous1:57 PM

    Prof. Basto -- Rem acu tetigisti. God bless you!

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  5. M. A.2:44 PM

    By their fruits you shall know them!

    In our diocese with all of its Catholic schools, colleges, 50+ religious communities, 130+ N.O. parishes, there is a grand total of ONE ordinand for the year.

    And the one SSPX academy of La Salette, with its 11 graduates will have FIVE of those young men pursuing a religious vocation.

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  6. Bill M2:50 PM

    Prof.B,
    I frequent both FSSP and SSPX and have found the reverse to be true.
    But I'm sure that the opinions will vary from area to area.

    However, I generally agree with your assessment.

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  7. I don't think that saying the priests of the SSPX "despise" those of the FSSP is likely to help defuse a potentially tense situation. Also, what do you suppose the view of the priests of the FSSP is of the priests of the SSPX? I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it might not be admiration or respect. And whatever it is, it's probably not held universally by all the priests of the order, which is why we should probably avoid making generalizations.

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  8. Anonymous3:11 PM

    The ICRSS / ICKSP has 53 priests ; 4 will be ordained this thursday = 57 priests (not including associated priests)

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  9. Anonymous3:16 PM

    Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney : 33 priests

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  10. Anonymous3:25 PM

    The healthy rivalry between FSSP and SSPX must be view in a positive way; and compares nothing in comparison with the fierce & bitter competition between early Franciscans & Dominicans.

    It was found necessary to define sharply the boundaries of their respective jurisdictions, for the active and incessant jealousy between the two religious bodies rendered any concurrence or competition between them an explosive mine able to be started by a spark.

    Their mutual hatreds began early, and the unscrupulous means by which they were gratified were a perpetual scandal and danger to the Church. In 1266, for instance, a lively quarrel arose between the Dominicans of Marseilles and the Franciscan inquisitor of that city. The dissension spread until the two Orders were embroiled throughout Provence, Forcalquier, Avignon, Arles, Beaucaire, Montpellier, and Carcassonne, and everywhere they were preaching against and insulting each other in public. Several briefs of Clement IV show that the pope was obliged to intervene, and his command that in future inquisitors shall forbear to use their powers to prosecute each other, no matter how guilty the offending party may apparently be, indicates that the sharpest weapons of the Holy Office had been used in the strife.

    The so-call "bad blood" between FSSP & SSPX no where approaches that of the above mentioned rivalry between the Franciscans & Dominicans.

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  11. John McFarland3:39 PM

    Dear Prof. Basto,

    The SSPX's view of the FSSP is readily available on www.sspx.org. I see nothing of "bad blood" about it.

    Nor do I see anything of rivalry about it. The SSPX believes that the FSSP has fatally compromised the battle for tradition, and there is really nothing much more to say or do.

    As for rivalry from the FSSP side, I think it's generally the case that the FSSP has set up churches across the street from SSPX churches (sometimes literally), and not the other way round.

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  12. Teresa4:10 PM

    Today three priests have been ordained in Wigratzbad for FSSP.

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  13. Anonymous4:36 PM

    It is I.C.R., not 'I.C.R.S.S.' or 'I.C.K.' or 'I.C.K.S.S.'

    Stand rule of abbreviation for religiuos orders: use the LATIN. Hence the Order of Discalced Carmelites is and always has been O.C.D., not 'O.D.C.'.


    Standard rule of abbreviation for capitals: Reduce the number of letters if possible should there be more than four of them. So I.C.R.S.S. is reduced to the essential I.C.R.

    The I.C.R. has 80 seminarians this year.

    One French order with a fair number of priests is the traditionalist Canons Regular of the Mother of God. Does anyone have the numbers for them?

    P.K.T.P.

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  14. Anonymous4:55 PM

    P.K.T.P.: Thanks for the "Tip of the Day!" Very interesting!

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  15. Anonymous5:16 PM

    Let's not forget those good diocesan priests who are being ordained around the world, they're also fighting the good fight!

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  16. Does anyone know the present numbers for the Institut du Bon Pasteur (Institute of the Good Shepherd)? Last I checked they had 24 priests, but that information is surely out of date.

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  17. Stand rule of abbreviation for religiuos orders: use the LATIN.

    The White Fathers have traditionally used W.F. in English-speaking areas.

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  18. Anonymous8:38 PM

    Institute of the Good Shepard (IBP)- 28 prists on June 25th 2011.

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  19. Anonymous8:49 PM

    Excellent post and useful comments. Keep the figures coming! BTW, does anyone know why the FSSP's ordinations have dropped in recent years?

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  20. Anonymous10:02 PM

    I have noticed a trend of posts from N.C. lately to try to keep showing the SSPX in a positive light. N.C. are you a member of the SSPX? Just wondering...I find it odd.

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  21. Is it a trend of the past... 5 years?... Really, just read through our archives for the past 67 months, and see if you can find any "trend"...

    Our only trend is the same it has always been: being a place where Traditional-minded Catholics are made aware of relevant circumstances or events, and can feel welcome and respected.

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  22. I have detected no such "trend," and as most here know, though I cannot but sympathise with the SSPX, nevertheless I'm neither a member nor an adherent of the SSPX, at whose illicit Masses I have never assisted. In addition, New Catholic is a layman and therefore is incapable of being admitted to the SSPX. Whether or not he has ever assisted at their Masses is between him and his Maker. Anyone who holds and loves the Catholic Faith will pray daily for a reconciliation between the Church and the SSPX and the regularisation of the latter as soon as possible.

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  23. Anonymous11:50 PM

    We should pray that if there is "bad blood" between the FSSP and the SSPX, our Blessed Mother will heal it.

    We need priests who are sincere in their desire to serve the Lord through their vocation and bring back respect for the Sacredness of the Liturgy.

    Lord Jesus Christ the One who can heal all wounds have mercy of your priests and all the faithful who needs them.

    The

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  24. Anonymous12:24 AM

    dcs:

    The Maryknoll Fathers apparently began the aberration of using English-letter postnominals but they only work in the U.S.A., I believe. The tradition is to use the Latin-letter postnominals and the I.C.R. has its motherhouse in Italy and its largest number of houses in France. I is the I.C.R., as its own webpages prove. There is no such thing as the I.C.K.

    P.K.T.P.

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  25. Anonymous12:25 AM

    Again:

    Does anyone here have numbers for the Canons Regular of the Mother of God in France? There seem to be a fair number of Canons there (20? 25?) but I have not seen any figures.

    P.K.T.P.

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  26. In all my time knowing SSPX priests personally I have never heard one negative word from them about the FSSP. The SSPX continue to expand faster than the FSSP which alone tells us something indicative of the current situation. It is preferable to be independent of NO bishops who dislike tradition for the most part and who are doing all they can to thwart the TLM.

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  27. Anonymous4:13 AM

    Anonymous 20:49 -- In part due to acceleration. Of the tonsure class that was ordained to the priesthood this year in the U.S., two were ordained earlier.

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  28. Anonymous11:27 AM

    For your consideration:
    http://www.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/q13_fraternity_of_st_peter.htm which concludes, "That is why a Catholic ought not to attend their Masses." See also the last part of Can. 751 (CIC/83).

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  29. Just thought I would throw out that the CMRI has about 20+ priests associated with them, most being religous. They just had ordinations this past week where two were ordained, one, Fr Oswalt, who was a former NO priest who realised that Vatican II could not come from the Church. His story is online. They should have 10 seminarians this fall.

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  30. For while one saith, I indeed am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollo; are you not men? What then is Apollo, and what is Paul? The ministers of him whom you have believed; and to every one as the Lord hath given.

    I have planted, Apollo watered, but God gave the increase. Therefore, neither he that planteth is any thing, nor he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth, and he that watereth, are one. And every man shall receive his own reward, according to his own labour. For we are God's coadjutors: you are God's husbandry; you are God's building. According to the grace of God that is given to me, as a wise architect, I have laid the foundation; and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus.

    1 Cor 3: 4-11

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  31. Anonymous1:48 PM

    Don't forget the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius. Not counting Fr. Phillips, the founder who remains in his orginal Order, they have 6 priests, 1 transitional Deacon, 1 Brother and about 8 Seminarian Brothers. The first priest ordained for them, Fr. Burns Seeley, died a couple of years ago. They are under heavy resistance from the Chancery Office in Chicago, regardless of the nominal "support" of Cardinal George.

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  32. Anonymous1:16 PM

    The Servants of the Holy Family (www.servi.org) have five ordained priests and two seminarians).

    LtCol Paul E, Haley, USAF(Ret)

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  33. Anonymous6:45 PM

    Nearly a year later, has anyone new stats on SSPX and it's affiliates (e.g. Dominicans, Benedictines, etc.)?

    Erica
    Kansas, USA

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