Rorate Caeli

Well, this happened in the sanctuary, but at least it was after mass, right?

After a New Mass, of course. Our friend Francesco Colafemmina, of Fides et Forma, went to a mass in the Ordinary Form this Sunday in the Cathedral of Bari (Apulia, Italy). And, as soon as the "celebrazione eucaristica" was over, a special event was announced: in honor of the birthday of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, a dance was going to be performed. And it was, indeed:


Perhaps this is what the Council Fathers had in mind when they recalled that the people of the Vedas "seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust" (Nostra Aetate)? Poor Francesco: he still does not know if the worst part of the evening was this performance or the unbearably sugary homily he had heard a few minutes earlier.

28 comments:

  1. When, in the history of the Church, were large swathes of a Council constricted to praising false religions? Well...none; nor has there ever been a purely pastoral Council in the history of the Church.

    "Nostra Aetate affirms: 'In Hinduism men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through the unspent fruitfulness of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek release from the anguish of our condition through ascetical practices and deep meditation or a loving, trusting flight towards God' (n. 2). Cf. source.

    What "god" are they talking about? Hindus, as pagans, believe in a plethora of gods. In capitalizing "G" in this text, NA shows just how hokum the thinkers were at Vatican II, or so hopped-up on the "spirit" of it that they forgot clear logic.

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  2. Sugary homilies? Per Walker Percy, they lead to the gas chambers.

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  3. These sorry saps would dare put on this show in the presence of the relics of St. Nicholas? Do they have any idea who they're messing with?

    What "god" are they talking about? Hindus, as pagans, believe in a plethora of gods.

    It's a reference to the Brahma-Atman, Hinduism's nearest equivalent to a supreme monistic Creator God. In this school of thought, the other deities in the Hindu pantheon(s) are interpreted as mere "avatars" or aspects of Brahma-Atman. However, Brahma-Atman is conceived of more in terms of Western pantheism: it is proposed that the Brahma-Atman may not even be conscious or self-aware, or if he/it is self-aware, he/it nevertheless probably did not intentionally create the universe and might not know he/it created anything, or is at best indifferent to the world which depends on him/it for its existence. It's plainly a severely defective concept of God.

    In context, of course, there is nothing false in what the Church said about Hinduism in Nostra Aetate, since the point was not to approve of Hinduism but to spotlight some points in truth that exist in that false religion. Nevertheless a seriously defective understanding of Hinduism would result if one looked only at those few points of commonality with the Catholic Faith and neglected everything else of which Hinduism consists (most of what makes up Hinduism, that is).

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  4. Sorry, I just have to add that it astonishes me that no one ever jumps up during these travesties and cries out for the desecration to stop. Did the people putting on this show have any idea what the pagan chants and dancing mean, and what deities are being invoked?

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  5. it astonishes me that no one ever jumps up during these travesties and cries out for the desecration to stop

    It astonishes me that in the average Novus Ordo travesty, the entire congregation never jumps and cries out for the desecration to stop.

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  6. Anonymous11:41 PM

    A healthy local church would have lynched those responsible for this sacrilege.

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  7. Anonymous12:18 AM

    Many people are idiots, most of them are cowards!

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  8. Anonymous12:40 AM

    Jordanes 551, I agree with you, how astonishing that no one objected, walked out, escorted the dancer out of the Church. Where were the ushers in all this? It is time these folks had some real Catechism lessons and the priest - he should be horse whipped. Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    Jerry

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  9. OK, now I'm going to a Hindu's temple and I'm going to do a some brise vole, cabriole and pirouette after their ritual/celebration/stone worship or whatever are over.

    You know, to return their kind gesture.

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  10. Anonymous2:46 AM

    Outrageous! Something like this was the reason my family and I left the N.O. Mass. Way too much kool-aid. Sacred Heart of Jesus have Mercy on Us!

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  11. For the life of me, I can not fathom how a priest would allow this spectacle...

    I just watched Don Camillo on DVD and I was wishing he would pop out of the pews, pick this guy up over his head and toss him out the front door....

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  12. Anonymous4:00 AM

    A prelude to the Assisi meeting this month? That outside the Catholic Church, there is indeed salvation? And Rome is wondering why the flock is leaving the Faith? I really wonder if the Pope, Cardinals, archbishops and bishops still believe in particular judgement as after all, many of them are old and no prize for guessing that they'll soon have to meet the terrible Judge to render an account of their stewardship...

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  13. Anonymous4:36 AM

    Crisis? What crisis?

    Isn't this the assertion that Rorate made just a few posts back? Or did I miss the point of that post---which also mysteriously had so few comments.

    Just wondering if Rorate's purpose has become to incite a very just anger in its readers and then expect us to reject the notion of "crisis" and halt at the doorsteps of SSPX chapels.

    Just wondering...

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  14. Yes, that indeed is our secret malevolous project. Busted!

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  15. Gratias4:46 AM

    My italian is limited and I an unable to make Mr. Google, but thought that the following comments from our Italian correligionist might be worth reproducing:

    "On the same presbytery from which the priest expressed the need for the Christian assume his Communitary responsibility, there appears an Italian Choreographer expert in Indian dance, and dances swaying to the rhythm of a citar. She had the nerve to affirm that these dances are intimately linked to prayer and the same dancer demonstrates it explaining the significance of the gestures she does with her hands. Yes, she explains it very well, and in fact in the libretto distributed by the Dicese [of Bari] we also find the following indications: 'The same gesture that the Hindus use to indicate a goddess is used to represent the Mother of the Redemptor.' Wow! Poor Holy Virgin, equalled to Hindu divinities precisely in the temple responsible for the custody of her venerated icon! What sadness."

    It must have been shocking to watch this spectacle in the Cathedral of Bari. Truly a sad Vatican II moment.

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  16. Lee Terry Lovelock-Jemmott7:22 AM

    The PP of this church and all those involved whoever they are should be hauled before an Ecclesiastical Court to explain themselves but then again couldn't this constitute a latae sentiae excommunication for the bodies who allowed this or promoted this?

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  17. Dear friends,

    unfortunately I was late for the Tridentine Mass of don Nicola Bux, so I decided to go to the Cathedral that is very close to don Nicola's church. I didn't know of this show, but I was so shocked by the ignorance and the verbosity of those priests, that I went home to take the camera and I decided to make a short reportage.

    Mainly the idea of the dancer was to show the prayer through the dance. I'm completely sure that no one in Bari (nor the priests, nor the Arcibishop) knows that the dance in the Hindu religion is a reminder of the activity of Shiva Nataraja, (Shiva the Dancer), that recall the destruction of the world. Shiva is a destroyer and a creator from the destruction: this is a really satanic principle and in fact the adoration of Shiva is in such way a diabolic cult.

    Fortunately the Cathedral of Bari is not St. Nicholas Basilica (to answer Jordanes), but regarding the confusion between the Holy Virgin and some Hindu Goddess I tell you that when I read this on the booklet provided by the Dioceses I started to cry. It's absurd to equalize the Virgin with some indian Goddess. It's very sad!

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  18. Anonymous10:08 AM

    "Nostra Aetate affirms: 'In Hinduism men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through the unspent fruitfulness of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek release from the anguish of our condition through ascetical practices and deep meditation or a loving, trusting flight towards God' "

    This entire Vatican II documents should be ignored, repudiated, and thrown in the garbage can of bad historical mistakes.

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  19. Alex Benziger.G12:09 PM

    This dances in the sanctuary is in almost all the churches in India.This is the Novus Ordo. This is the out come of Vatican II. Sacrificial nature of the Mass is mow turned into dramatical stage play. DEO GRATIAS.

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  20. Fortunately the Cathedral of Bari is not St. Nicholas Basilica (to answer Jordanes)

    Thanks. I didn't know which church in Bari was the repository of the great saint's relics.

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  21. M. A.1:47 PM

    "...it astonishes me that no one ever jumps up during these travesties and cries out for the desecration to stop."
    ____________________________________

    Well, there was one group of Catholics who did have the fortitude and true love of God to stop a similar travesty taking place in a Catholic basilica wherein Buddhist monks placed a poster of the 10th reincarnation of their Panchen Lama.

    This happened some years ago, and the Catholics who intervened where a group from the SSPX led by Fr. McMahon.

    Speaking of travesties, CITH is one abuse which has resulted in profanation and desecration of the Blessed Sacrament. When are Catholics going to say "ENOUGH!!" ?

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  22. Anonymous5:00 PM

    Wrong!

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  23. M.A. said:

    "Well, there was one group of Catholics who did have the fortitude and true love of God to stop a similar travesty taking place in a Catholic basilica wherein Buddhist monks placed a poster of the 10th reincarnation of their Panchen Lama."


    In March of 2004 (go to URL below)

    http://sspx.org/RCRpdfs/2004_rcrs/march_%202004_rcr.pdf

    Fr. Michael McMahon, SSPX, Headmaster, now at Notre Dame De LaSalette Boys Academy in Olivet, IL, took our Catholic High Scool boys to pray the Rosary while Buddhist Monks prayed in St. Adalbert's Basilica's sanctuary in Grand Rapids, Michigan where the Buddhist Monks had been invited by the Grand Rapid's "Catholic" Bishop. Every March since, Fr. McMahon takes our boys back to St. Adalbert's to pray the Rosary thanking our Lady for victory that cold March day.

    My boys are and have been being prepared by the fearless SSPX Priests to become future Fathers of the hearth and Altar. Viva Christo Rey!!


    FIGHTIN'
    FATHER
    McMAHON

    St. Patrick saved the Irish
    Columba...monks he gave,
    Flanigan built up Boys Town
    Where boys their souls could save.

    Bur have ya heard the story
    Of fightin' Father McMahon
    Who battled back the Buddhists
    The way a Catholic can?

    The True Faith yes he stood for
    A Christ-like priest so humble.
    The Buddhist "monks" stood clueless
    And then began the rumble.

    But not the kind of rumble
    From God-less violent deeds
    No pagan chanting mumble
    But roaring Rosary beads.

    And then the wind she blew
    A rapid grand tornado
    When fightin' Father McMahon
    Intoned our Catholic Credo!

    So gather round my children,
    All false faiths we must ban
    From Holy Mother's Churches...
    Like
    Fightin'
    Father
    McMahon!

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  24. Note to Stephen: your repeated attempts to use the topic of the lamentable deconstruction of the liturgy to promote your disbelief in Petrine primacy and papal infallibility are tiresome and unwelcome. Please find something edifying to do with your time.

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  25. Anonymous12:38 AM

    Francesco said,"I started to cry. It's absurd to equalize the Virgin with some indian Goddess. It's very sad!"

    The sanctuary is desecrated and Our Lady's countenance marred. The very least we can do is the First Saturday devotion to make reparation.

    May I suggest that you send a letter to the rector and explain why this is blasphemous and a sin against the first commandment. Give proofs. Believe it or not he/they may not know...they suffer from poor formation, poor Catechists. Be prepared for a backlash.

    Beg God's mercy. In our parish church where the NO 'shares' space with the FSSP they had Taize posters and meetings advertised. One FSSP priest said not to say anything, to turn away when walking by the posters. The other priest suggested the letter route....he was later transferred.

    The FSSPX chapels have no Taize posters....or indian dancers.


    Any mouse

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  26. Anonymous12:46 AM

    The Particular Judgement.
    Popular Anonymous brings this to our attention and would that the laity draw their attention to this fact....somehow?
    A world wide petition that asks them to uphold the tenants of the Catholic faith and demonstrate that their actions did this? to sign off on the Creed?

    God have mercy on them and us.

    JR

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  27. Gratias5:09 AM

    Viva Faldas-Largas! (Long-Skirts).

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  28. Anonymous1:36 AM

    On the plus side, it's not like a lot of people in Italy go to Mass any more. So it's not like they had a number of people scandalized by the display.

    That's good news, isn't it?

    --Der Tommissar

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