Rorate Caeli

Bugnini and the Neocatechumenal Way

Will the show go on? And this time, with Vatican 'approval'?

Sandro Magister's latest column ("'Placet' or 'Non placet?' The wager of Carmen and Kiko") has the following regarding the links between this group and Annibale Bugnini:

In the liturgical field, more than Kiko, it has been the co-founder Carmen Hernández who has shaped the Neocatechumenal "rite." 

During the years of Vatican Council II and immediately afterward, when he (sic) still wore the religious habit of the Misioneras de Cristo Jesús and was studying to obtain his (sic) degree in theology, Carmen became an enthusiast of liturgical renewal. His (sic) teachers and inspiration were the liturgist Pedro Farnés Scherer in Spain and Fr. Luigi della Torre in Rome, also a prominent liturgist, pastor of the Church of the Nativity on Via Gallia, which was one of the movement's first locations in Rome, and Archbishop Annibale Bugnini, at the time the powerful secretary of the Vatican congregation for divine worship and the main architect of the postconciliar liturgical reform. 

It was precisely Bugnini, at the beginning of the 1970's, who congratulated himself over the way in which the first communities founded by Kiko and Carmen celebrated the Mass. He wrote about it in "Notitiæ," the official magazine of the congregation for divine worship. And it was again him, together with the co-founders, who decided to call the newborn movement "Neocatechumenal Way." 

From visiting with these liturgists and from loosely reworking their ideas, Kiko and Carmen drew their own personal conception of the Catholic liturgy, which they put into practice in the Masses of their communities.

Let us pray.

[New Catholic: See our last post on the date of approval. It is considered certain that it will take place when the Pope meets the Way on Jan. 20.]


  1. lucio7:57 AM

    Ncw was promoted in Spain by Cardinal Morcillo and in Italy by Don Dino Torregiani(founder of nomadic mission) and cardinal Angelo Dell'Acqua.

    Bugnini was surprised by the similarities with the RICA that
    Congregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum was preparing.

  2. Gratias8:59 AM

    Catholic Tradition will survive Kiko, Kaka and Bugnini by following the teachings of Christ. Be not afraid, we shall overcome.

  3. Like in the Punic Wars it is Hannibal/Annibale who wants to destroy Rome....
    Anyway Bugnini was already serving under Pius XII. to annihilate the Holy Week and spread his poisoning ideas all over the church.

    Wasn't the neocatechumical liturgy always rejected by the Vatican? What made the change now?

  4. Bill Phelan1:11 PM

    I am always reminded of the warning of his Augustinian superiors to Luther when he was summoned to Rome. They strongly advised him not to go because when he saw the intrigues and excesses which occurred in the Vatican, he would lose his faith.

  5. Ecclesia Militans2:48 PM

    I am afraid many of you have mixed up something.

    This is not the Church of infallible pronouncements, of anathemas, of clear unambigous words, of latinity and universality, of solemnity...

    This is the Church of interreligious dialogue, of ecumenical prayers, of rehabilitating heretics, of long vague speeches that you need a "hermeneutic" to understand, of almost as many rites as there are languages, of particular "charisms", of WYDs that look like religious rock concerts, with clapping and hands in the air...

    In fact, the only things that are the same are on the surface, enough for the majority of those who like to call themelves Catholic, but don't really want to go beneath the surface.
    But the minute you scratch below the surface you see a completely different mentality, theology, praxis.
    You are then faced with the choice of accepting the existance of this contradiction and choosing sides or pretending that black is white and everywhere daisies and strawberries.

    So why should we be surprised if they give the so-called NCW all that they want.
    They are all "legitimate" part of that system.
    The only thing that bothers modernists, the only thing they can't stand is the same as for all converts into a different religion, they fervently reject their former one - the thing that bothers modernists...
    is the Catholic Faith!

  6. After the mass migration of Catholics from the faith following post-Conciliar liturgical reforms, I fail to understand why these experimental liturgies continue to exist or why they would even be promoted. They seem to promote, and attract those interested in, a "New Age" feel to our faith. Wouldn't it be better to stabilize yourself on a 1960-year-old tradition?

  7. None of this happens without the Pope's approval. Unbelievable!!!

  8. Bewildered3:52 PM

    My new motto from now on: WWALD

    What would Archbishop Lefebrve do?

  9. Lopes3:53 PM

    This should not be seen as a sign that 'something good' will be given to tradition and/or SSPX. Quite the opposite.

    Unfortunately, everyone/everything/every possible 'rite' seems to be 'welcome.' That cannot be a good sign at all.

  10. Don Rolo is totally correct when he says that the NCW is in morals as NeoCon as Opus Dei, CyL, Legionarios de Cristo etc. and equally hated by the liberal wing. The problem is not that they are liberals but that they have crazy/heretic beliefs both in terms of the Faith as well as their liturgical practices that reflect those beliefs. The other big problem is that they behave pretty much like a sect/cult with a lot of their teaching hiding like the masons. But they are no friends with the liberal wing.

  11. Torkay6:50 PM

    This Papal approval seems to reinforce my personal (flawed) opinion, that this Pope is really not intent on restoring Tradition at all, but merely bringing everyone together under his "big tent" vision, as if the charismatic baloney could co-exist with the true Mass, and everyone lives happily ever after. This requires a constant turning one way, then turning in the opposite direction, to keep everyone happy. That is the only pattern I see.

    Ecclesia Militans' post reminds me of something I just read in Iota Unum, which paraphrased, asks, if you change all the accidentals in a religion, is it still the same religion? Obviously, a lot more than the accidentals have been changed, as E.M. points out, and the answer is, "No."

    I also have to wonder how Tom Esteban, who has issued a blanket condemnation of us all as uncharitable, etc., would react to scandal after scandal after scandal....what exactly is your idea of a charitable response to corruption, Tom?

  12. Clinton R.8:09 PM

    I have been Catholic for only a few years, so of course all I know is the Novus Ordo. However, we should give all of our devotion and reverence to Our Lord at Mass, and this is best done in the Extraordinary Form. I can't see how lay people giving Communion, gathering around a table, refusing to kneel in Our Lord's presence is doing anything positive. I guess the true Catholic faith will continue to be reduced to a remnant.

  13. New Catholic,
    Thank-you Roarte Caeli for setting me up to see these 'gems' of historical significance.

    From the Lavender Mafia to the modernist scholars and hierarchy, it is miraculous that the Church would or will come out alive.

    Michael F Brennan
    St Petersburg, Florida

  14. If this "placet" is indeed issued, it shall be inescapably clear to me that all is acceptable, all is welcome, all is possible, all is reconcilable........

    except the SSPX.

    Because the SSPX recoils in horror from these Protestant heretics and their cult-leader-manufactured, Bugnini-inspired, liturgical product.

    So do I.

    The SSPX discussions have had a remarkable impact indeed, upon me, personally.

    I find myself appreciating their argument that a state of emergency exists, more and more.......

  15. Ecclesia wrote:

    This is not the Church of infallible pronouncements, of anathemas, of clear unambigous words, of latinity and universality, of solemnity...

    Truer words were never said my friend!

    This is a New Ageish Church of platitudes, feel-good-isms, hugging, ecumenism and universal-salvation-believing weirdos, witches, wiccans, yoga-practicing, contracepting and aborting "catholics".

    Don't worry though, the only thing forboden now is to not except every form of universality, syncretism, and relativism. It's the new, improved pantheistic church!

    Even Vatican II said all are, basically, saved!

    I guess Christ bled in vain. (But, seriously, compare the words of VII with those of the Vulgate Bible; there is a cognitive dissonance which is prima facie provable).

    Msgr. Gherardini said that GS contains elements of heresy (Modernism). He also said that a Council is not always, theoretically, protected by the Holy Spirit, because of the Free Will of the men who comprise it (this applies to a pastoral Council only; a dogmatic council is a different story).

  16. Brian8:50 PM

    Just as Evangelical Pentecostalism is distinct from Liberal Protestantism, so too, movements like the Noecathecumenal Way, Life Teen, World Youth Day, and the Charismatic Movement are clearly distinct from Catholic Liberalism.

    Pope Benedict XVI (who despite the delusions of some, is definitely not a closet Traditionalist) embraces the Neocathecumental Way and Charismatic movements as evidence of new life bursting forth in the Church and “the power of the Holy Spirit” Who, in giving such new paths, “in unpredictable ways keeps the Church young."

    The Holy Father, however, does state that these “new roads” need guidance and purification “to be able to reach the form of their true maturity,”

    Our Holy Father, as well, has not rejected Bugnini's cunning craftsmanship but seems to similarly hold that it needs guidance and purification in order to reach the form of its true maturity.

  17. Patrick10:39 PM

    "And is that a menorah on their table?"

    Well it is the seven branched candlestick of the temple rather than the nine branched menorah of Hanukkah (which is the more popular use for 'menorah'). God designed it and, interestingly, it is found behind every Russian Orthodox altar. Also, it is the basis for the seven candles burned at a pontifical solemn high mass of the ordinary of a diocese. Note the candles at the next pontifical mass.Why these people use it I have no idea.