Rorate Caeli

The Lost War of Vatican II

No, it is not a joke appropriate for the date: French public television has indeed released the first minutes of its documentary on the fiftieth anniversary of the opening of Vatican II, that will be broadcast tomorrow by the France 3 channel.

The words are in French, but the content is clear enough: the video begins with menacing sounds, here come the dangerous Traditionalists (images of the Chartres Pilgrimage of 2011, an extremely dangerous Mass with a Psycho soundtrack). The Superior of the Institut du Bon Pasteur says what is pretty obvious ("May 1968 is over. Vatican II is over, it's in the past"). The narrator then describes what the Church was like in the late 1950s before the Council was called ("science has made extraordinary progress, traditional morality is questioned", "the Church refused to evolve, more and more Christians reject it and leave it in droves", "the Catholic Church is dying"), but Pope Roncalli arrived in shining armor and opened the gates of the Church.

The battle between "Reformists" and "Traditionalists" ensued, with "the Popes in the middle" (?...). Benedict XVI "seems to favor the Council", but actually counts on the support of the "obscurantist forces" [sic] - the Traditionalists, of course.

The tone is clear, for the producers of "The Lost War of the Vatican", the great battle for "reform" has been lost to "the dark side". Honestly, if the current unending crisis is what the "Progressives", Modernists and heretics have achieved after they have lost, we cannot even begin to imagine how apocalyptic their "victory" would have looked like...

[Tip: Le Forum Catholique]

18 comments:

New Catholic said...

Thanks for the corrections.

Ivan K said...

According to the preview, the V2 changes were a response to declining Mass attendance. The decline didn't really begin until after VII. It might have occurred anyway, but I doubt that it would have been as precipitous.

The most encouraging moment of the preview is the claim that there are two equally powerful and influential camps in the Church--the 'reformers' and the 'traditionalists.' Things really are changing. Catholic traditionalism is now mainstream.

Kevin B. said...

we cannot even begin to imagine how apocalyptic their "victory" would have looked like...

Pope Kathy and her husband shuttling back and forth between blessing same-sex weddings, ordaining openly Muslim men and women to the priesthood, and presiding at rodeo clown Masses where everyone holds hands around the altar as she consecrates pizza and soda.

Peterman said...

The French will turn back to their faith when they have no where else to turn. The freemasons and various other groups in France fear a return to the Catholic faith and a return to monarchy. These groups quite clearly understand that it would be the end of the road for their little secular party they've been having for years now.

Ecclesia Militans said...

They wanted nothing less than the complete and utter destruction of the Church.

Now they know that their time is soon finished and that the Lord of Hosts is preparing for himself an army - in the little communities of Tradition they see the glimpse of their utter demise, and the overwhelming victory of God.

They are afraid of Tradition, they are especially afraid of all those who speak God's Truth, they are especially afraid of the Society, this is why they always persecute it so.

Arise, O Lord, and let thy enemies be scattered!

Gratias said...

This is the French welcome to Holy Week.

Joseph Johnson said...

Whether we would agree with its "slant" or not it still would be very interesting to see an English translation of this (perhaps with English subscripts or with English dub-overs).

Anil Wang said...

Of course we know what would have happened if the liberals won, it's called Anglicanism. Anyone who's followed the developments of Anglicanism knows that they are beyond messed up. Even the conservatives are fighting each other over what the "True Anglicanism"[TM] is.

IMO, it was God's providence that Anglicanism exists. Not only does it serve as a warning, it also provides a place for liberal Catholics to escape to and provides a quasi-Catholic environment where Protestants can get used to Catholicism before they take the final plunge and become fully Catholic (e.g. C.S. Lewis would have been nowhere near as influential if he were Catholic).

Ferraiuolo said...

The devil and his minions are truly bothered by the revival of the One True Faith. They even have to resort to cheap tactics to see if they get attention!

Catholicus said...

'The tone is clear, for the producers of "The Lost War of the Vatican", the great battle for "reform" has been lost to "the dark side". Honestly, if the current unending crisis is what the "Progressives", Modernists and heretics have achieved after they have lost, we cannot even begin to imagine how apocalyptic their "victory" would have looked like...'

Liberals are so used to victory that a small setback for their cause, here and there, is enough to send most of them into paroxysms of rage and cries of despair.

Traditionalists are so used to being beaten down and marginalized that a small victory, here and there, is enough to send most of them into delirious celebrations of victory.

Strepitus said...

"The French will turn back to their faith when they have no where else to turn. The freemasons and various other groups in France fear a return to the Catholic faith and a return to monarchy. These groups quite clearly understand that it would be the end of the road for their little secular party they've been having for years now."

In order to win the coming presidential elections, Sarkozy is having to compromise on his stance on "gay" civil partnerships, especially with the Socialist candidate Mr. Hollande speaking of "gay marriage".

There are also persistent moves in France to legalize euthanasia.

That doesn't sound like a country that is in any danger of seeing its secularist party wind down anytime soon.

Hugh said...

The conclusion that the church was divided into traditionalists and reformers after Vatican II is false. The traditionalists temporarily disappeared from the consequent chaos that ensued. The battle was between the liberal/socialist modernists some of whom wanted to rapidly overturn everything belonging to the church hitherto and those who wanted to change most aspects of the church but more slowly. As time went on these forces have become increasingly confused about the future of the church they dreamed about. This is where the division has resided. What remnants of tradition remained were relegated to the sidelines as a fossil-type condemned to eventual extinction. In fact, up until the 1980s tradition had almost no voice at all. Subsequently, it is only since the first decade of this century that tradition has found its voice once more and can be heard amidst the terrible confusion of the liberal modernist/socialist destruction of what was once a robust and thriving church. Pope Benedict XVI has wisely listened to the appeal of tradition because he himself is able to understand that the conciliar vision cannot be validated without it.
The modern media has such a jaundiced view of tradition generally that no one can really have much confidence in its perspectives. Certainly, tradition is back in the frame since ecclesiastical liberalism in its purest form has almost run its course and is on the verge of disappearing over the next generation. What will actually occur in its place is far less assured.

Adriennesz said...

Many more Rosaries needed for The Consecration of Russia to The Immaculate Heart of Mary - it obviously has not et been done: look around. VII is still in power, and has reduced The Church and Her Liturgy to a mere shadow of its former Self of leading souls to Heaven.

Our Lady said it would be done; but it will be late. If it were done, we would see clear results instead of confusion.

Our Lady of Fatima, ora pro nobis!

GQ Rep said...

This is another scare tactic of the liberals and radicals. These clowns (from Cardinals on down to priests and laity), know they have lost the war (as the title of the documentary states), but they will not depart without a fight. They won;t go quietly. They'll try to wreck the Church more before they are totally gone due to deaths/extinction of their aged Orders, and the laity who supported them.

GQ Rep said...

The return to monarchy in France is not as far fetched and impossible as so many think.

I have done alot of traveling in 5 countries over the last year on photo shoots....nations which used to be monarchies. Some not to long ago...others centuries ago.
And it's surprising the groundswell of support for these monarchies among the average people, particularly the young, and particularly the devout Catholics (alright, 1 country.Japan isn't even a Christian nation...but the support for the monarchy is strong).

The countries are: France, Austria, Greece, Romania, Brazil, and Japan.

There is a very substantial movement of support for the monarchy and restoration of it.

In France and Brazil, it's nostalgia mixed with religious seal of traditional Catholicism. The Emperor has been gone for 125 years in Brazil, and yet there is a strong and growing monarchist party. Very devout Catholics with strong values. Same for France.

In Greece, many people want the King back, at least as like the British monarch-a figurehead. Because it represents stability. And they are anything but stable now.

The interest for a return to the monarchy is probably strongest in Austria among young people and very devout Catholics who love the memory of the saintly Emperor Charles, the very beloves Empress Zita (d. 1989), and the great Emperor Franz Joseph (d.1916).and also in Romania where they despise the memory of the Communists and Nicolai Ceacescu but admire the former royal family.

In Japan, young people want the Emperor not to be bound by the protocol of 1945, where the USA dictated that the Emperor be only a "symbol" of the country.

I would say that of the countries mentioned, 3 have the best chance of a restored monarchy...
France, Greece, and Austria. Perhaps even Brazil. That would be amazing.

Peterman said...

"That doesn't sound like a country that is in any danger of seeing its secularist party wind down anytime soon."

Wait and see.. and pray for the Holy Kingdom of France.

A.M. said...

The full video is accessible at http://fr.gloria.tv/?media=274772.

Yanni said...

does anyone know where I can watch this in English? Thank you