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The Macielists


Quite curious: we have never heard the "Legionaries of Christ" called "Macielists" by the mainstream media. (For our previous posts on the extremely difficult cleansing of the Legionaries by Pope Benedict XVI, click here).

Note to all North American Legionaries and Consecrated from Territorial Director Fr Luis Garza, LC ...

It is with sadness that I send you this note, especially at a time when we are experiencing renewed enthusiasm for our mission within the Church. The last thing I would wish is to add a fresh wound when older wounds may not have healed fully.

Nevertheless, it is my duty to inform you that Father Thomas Williams, LC, after consultation with his superiors, will undergo a period of reflection, prayer and atonement without public ministry, and has just issued the following statement:

“A number of years ago I had a relationship with a woman and fathered her child. I am deeply sorry for this grave transgression and have tried to make amends. My superiors and I have decided it would be best for me to take a year without active public ministry to reflect on the wrong I have done and my commitments as a priest. I am truly sorry to everyone who is hurt by this revelation, and I ask for your prayers as I seek guidance on how to make up for my errors.” [Source]

Perhaps the "Degollados"?

29 comments:

David Werling said...

It's just one thing after another with those Macielists, isn't it?

rodrigo said...

I met Fr Williams not too long ago. Seemed a pleasant man, and had a knack for explaining Catholic social teaching in an intelligent and faithful way. This is a sad business, and I hope (when not making good points about media idiocies) we will remember to offer prayers for all concerned.

Anonymous said...

A priest who forgives OUR sins just asked for forgiveness himself. How about giving it to him? I don't think it would set too well with the Almighty if you didn't.

Prof. Basto said...

Perhaps the "Degollados"?

Very funny!

Seriously, though, the Holy See MUST suppress the Macielists.

Knight of Malta said...

He should be forgiven--if he has sought forgiveness--and not castigated. It was years ago, and with an adult woman!

I'm not condoning the man's sin--especially as a priest--but when can American's get over their Scarlet Letter-esque Puritanical judgementalism!?

I have five kids with my ex-southern protestant wife. Abortion is fine with here mother; the great sin in her (my mother-in-law's) mind is, I quote, that she didn't "tie up her tubes" before my last daughter was born!

Let this priest do his penance, and maybe, just maybe, he'll make a great Traditional priest someday, God willing!

New Catholic said...

Who is denying him forgiveness? The news here is not about Father (prayers for him, the lady, and the child), but about the obviously persistent internal culture of the Macielists, which, despite the best intentions of Pope Benedict XVI and Cardinal De Paolis, seems to be unreformable.

Knight of Malta said...

New Catholic, good points. I think some Marcielists are cultish. I feel at home, as a Fides et Ratio attorney, at every SSPX chapel I've ever been to.

Not to say their aren't a few village idiots here and there, but MUCH less than at the average Novus Ordo parish church!

New Catholic said...

We will NOT be pressured to take down the post.

We have been covering the Legion, its attempts to thwart Vatican orders, its deceptive internal culture since January 2006. If you, blocked commentator, don't like it, just don't read it.

NC

Jordanes551 said...

The Church has suppressed religious orders and communities for far less cause than there is in the case of the Legion. It's fruit of a poison tree.

Benedicta said...

Do not feel pressure to take down the post. Please don't. This is a tactic used by the Legionaries. They use the most incredible tricks to suppress the truth. Example given by a LC priet: in Mexico City, when Marcial Maciel was accused of the worst stuff (it started many years ago), the Legion bought all the newspapers in the city. We were told that at the time, and did not even realize what the Legion was guilty of. Unfortunately the Vatican is not doing anything to take down the Legion, their founder was protected there, and his friends are still there... Remember what Our Holy Father said: "Pray for him". The wolves are all around him.

New Catholic said...

Stop, blocked commentator. First, pressure. Then, sermonizing. There is no
"tone" in this post, it is quite matter-of-fact - it barely includes any comment... If it bothers you this much, just skip it.

Scranton Priest said...

Nothing wrong with being called a Lefevriest. It means one is the spiritual child of a great and saintly Catholic bishop. In no way should Lefevriest ever be understood as less than Catholic. No, to be called a Lefevriest is to be called a most faithful Catholic. Do not be offended but be honored.

gsk said...

The point is not his lapse of judgment, it's the Legion coverup. They admit they knew and didn't act on it, or suggest that he no longer be such a visible spokesman. The Legion only reported this when pressure was placed on the CDF to do something. There is a culture of deception that cannot be shaken with the existing leadership, and without a charism or mission, there is no direction. Yes, they all need prayers, but they also need to find a healthier place in which to serve Holy Mother Church.

rodrigo said...

"Emails to Williams, who is said by friends to be suffering from cancer, have not been returned." (NY Daily News)

Prayers for a speedy recovery, and as happy a resolution to the situation as is possible.

New Catholic said...

Yes, we had read that; it is a very sad personal situation, that deserves our prayers, but that should never have become a persistent institutional problem. This is a recurring theme with deeply disordered institutions: even those who at first benefit from the disorder end up swallowed by it.

rodrigo said...

Yes, they all need prayers, but they also need to find a healthier place in which to serve Holy Mother Church.

Agreed. Perhaps Rome's concern is that the sight of one rotten order being suppressed successfully might lead to demands for others to follow suit...?

Brian said...

Knowing Right from Wrong: A Christian Guide to Conscience by Thomas Williams, LC, Vatican Analyst for CBS News

OK, he failed in his personal life with an adult woman, if that was all there was to it, Knight of Malta, I would agree with you.

But he and his community then pretentiously put him forward as beacon, guide, model, and poster child for Catholic Morality. The pretension and hypocricy brings public scandal to the Church.

Hidden One said...

Although there may well be major internal structural errors within the Legionaries (it is neither my duty nor otherwise within my competence to judge either way), I do not think that the sins of Fr. Williams, L.C., are enough to prove the point.

Johnny Domer said...

Hidden One, I agree that this by itself does not prove much--as long as the Church has required celibacy of its priests, there have been priests who did not live up to their obligations.

Nevertheless, this case can't be viewed apart from the bizarre structures that existed within the Legion before Benedict's reforms, esp. the bizarre "vow of charity" that required the systematic punishment of anyone who attempted to report illicit activity by superiors, as well as its attendant "culture" of reporting on whistleblowers or "dissenters" from the party line. Given how much the "vow of charity" affected the character and culture of the order, I'm unsure if it's the kind of thing that just changes overnight.

Gratias said...

Not only the Macielists Degollados participate in the hanky-panky. Here in the Archdiocese of infamous Cardinal Roger Mahony Auxiliary Bishop Gavino Zavala, appointed in 1994 and holding on until 2012, raised two teenage children together with his mistress. Fortunately the children are just fine and will have their college costs paid by the LA Archdiocese. The fruits of V2 are not exclusively same-sex unions. Liberty for all!

beng said...

It's already on Yahoo featured news

http://news.yahoo.com/legion-christ-rocked-more-sex-charges-213116062--abc-news-topstories.html

If your low on blood pressure and want to kick it up, feel free to view the comments.

GQ Rep said...

Supression of the Legion is the bestway to go. The corruption has gone too far.


Outwardly, they appeared to be totally Catholic, almost (but not really), a throwback to the pre-Vatican II seminary and concept of priesthood. But as with many things, outward appearance is often deceptive.

It is know that the Legion was/is extremely hostile to true Catholic devotions, traditions, and the Tridentine Latin Mass. I've been to alot of churches in many countries, and did stop off at a few Legion parishes or churches run by them. NEVER once, was a Tridentine Latin Mass offered...and the priests staffing the church were openly hostile to the idea. They were committed "neo-con" Catholics, as the Legion is. Their model is not Catholic tradition, but rather the Vatican II Church, and especially and unfortunatly, the example/teachings of John Paul II.

His teaching is gold to them, and very little of the rich heritage of the Church before Vatican II is even acknowledged. Also the writings and example of Fr. Marcial Maciel was very much held up for immitation. That gave me the creeps. It reminded me of the Red Guards in China and their idolization of Mao Tse Tung. For the Legion, it's the idolization of John Paul II. Other Catholic groups do this too. Very unhealthy. It's as if he still rules.

The best thing unfortunatly for the Pope and the Vatican to do is supress the Legion. The female branch was always much smaller, but has declined so much as to almost be irrelevant.

I'm afraid the Legion is going to go the same way in the USA and elsewhere.

JM said...

Its not a gay outing--sort of a relief!

TOM said...

I'm sorry to see the Legion of Christ, after the repudiation of its founder Maciel, called Macielists, a term coined, it seems, on the basis of one that refers to a founder who has not been repudiated and, it seems, meant to classify them as "unreformable".
TOM
(Perhaps not for publication)

James I. McAuley said...

To all of you out there - read your breviaries -- The hour of Terce. Pius Parsch says "At Terce on Wednesday we can think of the unfortunate apostle [,Judas,] and at the same time pray for fallen priests." Psalm 54 is particularly appropriate.

Jon Haines said...

You that say the best thing for the Pope to do is surpress the Legion, since when did you become Pope? Its quite apparent that you would throw the baby out with the bathwater... and those that say there is no baby obviously have never met a regnum christi member, legionary, or trust the Pope worth one nickel, who says there is one. Trusting the Pope...about that..., well at least I give his words credibility.

Hidden One said...

Johnny Domer,

Yes, it can. I can do it, therefore it can be done.

The real question - which does not happen to be one that I think we need the answer to - is whether without the vow of charity etc. the same behaviour would have occurred. In hac vita, scire non possumus.

Hugh said...

Characteristically, the Legionaries were not dealt with decisively enough. More heads should have rolled and the society should have been totally reformulated. This will not be the last scandal to emanate from what remains a rotten corpse.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever met with any of them? They are all creepily pretty. IMO its all about $$$