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One of Rome's oldest running Traditional Latin Masses to be stopped?



The every-Sunday Traditional Latin Mass in the Chiesa dei SS.mi Nomi di Gesù e Maria along the Via del Corso, usually known simply as Gesù e Maria, is scheduled to be replaced beginning on December 2 of this year with a Portuguese Mass. Ironically, this is the titular church of Domenico Cardinal Bartolucci, who said in 2009 that he always celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass since his ordination. The news has long been anticipated by various Italian Catholic blogs, and Messa in Latino called this week for a rally of Catholic Traditionalists in front of this church on the morning of December 2 in an effort to save the TLM, the Mass for which this church was built in the 16th century, from permanent eviction. 

The eviction of the every-Sunday Traditional Latin Mass and its replacement with a vernacular Novus Ordo has been ordered by the Discalced Augustinian friars who run the church, which has a Mass schedule that is far from being full. The TLM in this church dates back to the early 1980's and has been taken care of by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest since 1992. 

While it is true that there are numerous private Masses every day according to the Classical Roman Rite in the Eternal City, not least in St. Peter's Basilica itself, the list of TLM's that is maintained by Inter multiplices Una Vox indicates that there are only eight churches in Rome (out of several hundred) that have an officially-scheduled weekly TLM -- an exponential improvement over the pre-Summorum situation, but also an indication of the distance which the restoration of the Roman liturgy still has to travel. It is against this background that the potential loss of the TLM in Gesù e Maria should be seen. 


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26 comments:

  1. How I would wish that in my entire country - Portugal - I could have eight TLMs on Saturday or on and Sunday…

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  2. Does anyone know whether the ICKSP have plans for an alternative venue. My guess is that they will want to maintain a presence in Rome.

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  3. Andrew12:37 PM

    Wow! I am very shocked that Toronto Ontario Canada has almost as many TLM on the weekend as Rome?!?! Bizarre (and shameful) to say the least (and thank God I live in Toronto).

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  4. Christopher12:39 PM

    'The TLM in this church dates back to the early 1980's and has been taken care of by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest since 1992.'

    So, why are they stopping it?

    God Bless.

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  5. AT
    MASS
    ALONE

    November freeze
    Warmth melts the chill
    At Mass alone
    On Calvary's hill.

    Where from its heights
    Fierce sleety rains
    Beat down upon
    Stained-window panes.

    At the Mass of all times,
    The Faith's never frozen,
    "Many are called...
    But few are chosen”.

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  6. Toronto - and as of the First Sunday of Advent, Tornoto will have one more for a total of 5! As the Oratorians move the Solemn Mass at 11:30 to Holy Family, they will replace it with a 9:30 Read Mass at St. Vincent de Paul.

    Sunday EF Liturgy in Toronto.

    9:00AM St. Patrick's Schomberg
    Read Mass with Music

    9:30AM St. Vincent de Paul, Toronto
    Read Mass

    11:00AM Holy Family, Toronto
    Solemn Mass

    11:30AM Carmel of the Infant Jesus, Zephyr (north of Toronto)
    Read Mass

    1:00PM St. Lawrence the Martyr, Scarborough
    Read Mass with Music

    Let us not forget our good friends at the Church of the Transfiguration (SSPX) 8:00 and 10:30.

    Yes, Andrew, we in Toronto are very fortunate, indeeed!










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  7. This is sad news. There's always Santissima trinità dei pellegrini church run by the fssp that has a solemn high mass every sunday in Rome.

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  8. When I visited this particular church on via del corso during my last visit to Rome, it was evident of the absence of the Latin Mass and the Discalced Augustinian friars taking over with their more "charismatic" style. The matter caused great pain and disappointment in me.

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  9. That's a curiosity. Run by the Augustinians (aka the neo-Lutherists?) but cared for by the ICKSP?

    They should tell them to take care of the place thmeselsves then.

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  10. NIANTIC3:04 PM

    As long as the Holy Father, as the Vicar of Christ, does not encourage the offering of the Mass of the Ages for the salvation of souls, the Traditional Mass will remain an orphan and can be kicked around at will.
    This suppression of the most holy Mass and its replacement with the banal modernist substitute, can this be pleasing and is this acceptable to God?

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  11. Peterman3:52 PM

    What a shame, especially in a country that so desperately needs the graces. On another note, beautiful vestments!

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  12. I share the sentiments of RipK - This news is so very sad but it is not entirely surprising. Having assisted at the TLM here very often, I also had noticed the attitude of many of the Discalced Augustinians, markedly lacking in the respect one usually finds where a TLM is celebrated regularly. I can’t pin it down, it is a question of reverence and general behaviour, you could say the opposite of that at many NO Masses. “Bustling” comes to mind, although sometimes a short intervals between the two Masses requires some quick footwork by the sacristans. You notice it though at the time, then blame yourself for having such uncharitable thoughts.

    It is a living testament to the actual atmosphere and desire of the many Vaticanistas that such an absurdly low number of TLMs is allowed. I say allowed, because I have personal knowledge of "obstacles" being placed in the way of priests who had already been granted "permission" in the days of the Indult (inverted commas again).

    This link has many TLM Masses, go to Lazio for details :

    http://www.unavox.it/messa.htm#Roma11


    Oremus.

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  13. Louise5:27 PM

    While the church is under the care of the Augustinians, the Mass is provided by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.

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  14. "...there are only eight churches in Rome (out of several hundred) that have an officially-scheduled weekly TLM -- an exponential improvement over the pre-Summorum situation, but also an indication of the distance which the restoration of the Roman liturgy still has to travel."

    In 2008 A.D., Darío del Niño Jesús Castrillón Cardinal Hoyos declared during a press conference that Pope Benedict XVI wished to introduce the "Gregorian Rite" to each parish in the Western Church.

    Question: "So would the Pope like to see many ordinary parishes making provision for the Gregorian Rite?

    Castrillón Cardinal Hoyos: "All the parishes. Not many — all the parishes, because this is a gift of God. He offers these riches, and it is very important for new generations to know the past of the Church.

    "The Holy Father is willing to offer to all the people this possibility, not only for the few groups who demand it but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist in the Catholic Church."

    The Cardinal's claim, however, has never measured to Pope Benedict XVI's words and actions in regard to Summorum Pontificum and the Traditional Roman Mass.

    The above is reflected by the reality that beginning with the Holy Father's immediate area, there are "only eight churches in Rome (out of several hundred) that have an officially-scheduled weekly TLM".

    Tom

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  15. Gratias6:28 PM

    Thirty years of the TLM out the window. We attended mass This November 4 Sunday after the Cum Papa Nostro pilgrimage. We were about 300. This was a Solemn Mass in a most beautiful church. For next Sunday a Solemn mass with the Pope's master of ceremonies celebrating was announced (not Mgr. Marini but the next one down). So the church of Gesù e Maria had an important teaching function as well.

    What is worrying about this loss for the ICRSS is that the Pope is the Bishop of Rome. So the Agustinians have no fear or sense of obligation to their own Bishop. Thirty years of every-Sunday EF out the window.

    The alternative left now is Trinitá dei Pellegrini, but this is not at the city center and is far away from a Metro station.

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  16. Poor Yorek6:47 PM

    "... Discalced Augustinian friars who run the church."

    Think there is a typo here: discalced => discontinuous

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  17. The revival of the ancient Catholic Mass now lies, in Rome or anywhere else, with individual priests.

    Post Summorum Pontificum and Universae Ecclesiae any so-minded group of the Faithful must be allowed to worship according to the Mass of St Pius V.

    Additionally any individual priest may say that Mass at any time and without prior permission from a bishop.

    The way ahead is therefore clear. The return of the ancient Catholic Mass is in the hands of you priests who wish Continuity in liturgy as well as doctrine. You should start to say the Mass either alone, or with a like minded group - and the rest will follow.

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  18. And so again the Holy Father does nothing.
    Protestants invade the church and wreck havoc at VII and the Pope does nothing.
    The liberals take over the church and the Popes do nothing.
    The liturgy is destroyed and this Pope finally tries to do something but is afraid to use his power to truly set things right again. Why? Are they so powerful and he is so weak? Or is he afraid they will call him 'a Nazi Pope' if he does? they already do that behind his back.
    HOLY FATHER BENEDICT XVI "RISE UP! RISE UP!" with CHRIST on the cross and do something before your time has passed to do any more.

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  19. I thought Our Lady of Fatima said Portugal wouldn't lose the Faith…

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  20. Anonymous2:40 AM

    Alan,

    Our Lady of Fatima, according to Sr. Lucia, said that Portugal would not lose the "dogma" of the faith, She did not say anything, as fas as is revealed to this day, about the TLM.

    TLM does not equal "dogma", you might know....

    Neal Controversa

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  21. A.M.D.G.4:02 AM

    The Lord giveth... and the modernists taketh away.

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  22. Barbara5:28 AM

    Jacobi said:"Additionally any individual priest may say that Mass at any time and without prior permission from a bishop." (for Summorum Pontificum)

    And:

    "The return of the ancient Catholic Mass is in the hands of you priests who wish Continuity in liturgy as well as doctrine. You should start to say the Mass either alone, or with a like minded group - and the rest will follow."

    O yes this what I am always thinking about. Please dear priests - just do something in someway about restoring the Traditional Mass - even hiddenly at first (this is not disobedience you don't need anyone's permission to offer up the rite that your priesthood merits) - without you we lay can't do a thing ...please consider preparing yourselves for the day of its restoration - for that is the Catholic future - too many excellent priest guides have said this over and over again to me...the New Mass has no real future...the past is our future (of course the New Mass is valid - properly offered). I pray for priests who will come to fully realise this and who will stick their necks out for Our Lord. Enough of this soft flaccid "Catholicism"... in which the Mass of Pope Paul VI has played a big part - the enormous weakening of our Catholic identity.

    Why most of the hierarchy don't see this is beyond me. I AM AMAZED. BIG MYSTERY.

    Pray for priests.

    As for the the situation at the Church of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary in Rome- there seems to be something moving postively there. For those who read Italian check the blog: chiesa e post concilio.

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  23. I'm reminded of the expression: "My authority ends at that door."

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  24. What is sad is there has been a TLM at this Church for 30 yrs. and it seams no visible change in orthodoxy. It is not simply the mass but the entire understanding of our faith the typically evolves from the experience of the TLM. If the TLM mass is started in a parish it should naturally lead to greater holiness and a desire for a deeper more reverent participation in the faith. In my experience after attending the TLM I wanted more for myself and my family than my local Novus Ordo Parish could provide. And flipping back and forth was just annoying. I chose to dive into the older mass and the traditions of old, the older missal, calender and catechism. To do this you have to go all the way not simply one mass a week there is a parodym shift that needs to occur in ones soul and in a parish. Sounds like the Augustine's did not want this to happen and if this mass is stopped it will be held up by the progressives as a victory for thier cause. We must set of for the deep, not stick our toes in to test the water. Happy Thanksgiving all.

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  25. Anonymous1:35 PM

    Vi dò notizie quasi in diretta sulla Santa Messa di Gesù e Maria a Roma.

    Deo Gratias! Speriamo fino in fondo, alla conclusione definitiva...

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