Rorate Caeli

Thank you so much for your understanding!

I am grateful, too, for the sincere efforts the Church of England has made to understand the reasons that led my Predecessor, Benedict XVI, to provide a canonical structure able to respond to the wishes of those groups of Anglicans who have asked to be received collectively into the Catholic Church: I am sure this will enable the spiritual, liturgical and pastoral traditions that form the Anglican patrimony to be better known and appreciated in the Catholic world.
June 14, 2013

[Dedicated to the dear Ordinariates of England & Wales and Australia]


Lee Lovelock said...

Not being harsh but what is 'Anglican Patrimony' and I say this as someone who was an Anglican only a Year and an half ago ?

New Catholic said...

I'd say the King's College Choir, but Henry VI was Catholic...

Athelstane said...

[Dedicated to the dear Ordinariates of England & Wales and Australia]

I saw what you did there, NC...

Speaking as a US Ordinariate fellow: Many of us remain unhappy with the TLM edict, especially now that we have a clearer idea who was behind it. But we have not given up trying to get it vacated.

As to the subject story, some editing is required:

"I am grateful, too, for the [usually in]sincere efforts the Church of England has made to understand [and resent] the Reasons That led my Predecessor, Benedict XVI, To provide a canonical structure Able to Respond to the wishes Of Those groups of Anglicans [who the English bishops usually view as either homophobic misogynists or as a steady pool of extra clergy to fill their vocations-depleted ranks] who have asked to be received collectively into the Catholic Church [despite the wreck that those same English bishops have made of it].

There. I think that's better.

jeff said...

Bill Oddie's recent article for the Catholic Herald is instructive. why talk to Anglicans?? Their priestesses won't go away so why this talk about roads to unity and such?

JB said...

Imagine Thomas More reading that. He'd feel like he entered Bizarro world.

Athelstane said...

One other interesting note about the meeting from Rocco Palmo:

Elsewhere as context goes, in a conspicuous shift from the usual Vatican protocol, the Catholic primate of England and Wales – Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster – took part in the day's events not in his own right, but as a member of Welby's entourage, alongside Canterbury's wife and aides, and the Anglican Communion's recently-arrived delegate in Rome, Archbishop David Moxon, lately the ranking hierarch in New Zealand.

If any of you were in doubt about whether Archbishop Nichols shared the "Magic Circle's" extreme ecumenical enthusiasms for the Church of England - no matter how many priestesses they ordain - be in doubt no longer.

Lee L-J said...

This is what I mean. His Holiness has no need to outline zilch but yet he does and to an Man who in recent weeks gave that Order to 'give up' on parasexual 'marriage'. As for the Magic Circle, the Sooner they vanish, the Better.

Hayfarmer said...

This causes me to wonder how long will it be before we hear a call for the Universal Church?...oh not that Holy Roman Catholic one--the Church of the New World Order, the Church of Man?

Deoacveritati said...

'Anglican Patrimony'?????

Oh boy!!!

Ben Vallejo said...

The Latin Mass is part of Anglican Patrimony especially when it was translated to English as the Missa Anglicana.

As for the Ordinariate, the Anglican Church had no choice.

Athelstane said...

As for the Magic Circle, the Sooner they vanish, the Better.

Well, Mennini has managed to get sane bishops in at East Anglia, Portsmouth, and Shrewsbury now...

Obviously, it's a slow process. The Magic Circle is raging against the dying of the light.

Athelstane said...

Hello Lee,

Not being harsh but what is 'Anglican Patrimony' and I say this as someone who was an Anglican only a Year and an half ago ?

That's the $64,000 question, isn't it?

All I can say is that Peter - ironically - is helping us to figure that out. So far I've come up with the Caroline Divines, Evensong, high quality hymnody, and lovely hats.

Some Random Guy said...

Extol their traditions while denigrating our own.

JFM said...

On the Anglican patrimony, Frank Sheed's mother-in-law, long and Victorian but helpful:

"… Marcelle and I stood by the window looking out, at first without consciously see ing it, at the Abbey before us. Then at the same moment we felt drawn to the great harmonious beauty of the silent teacher....

We had been there together before, and we both loved it, but with a difference. Marcelle could not love it as I did! Entwined in the heart-strings of every Englishman or Englishwoman, is it in reality less dear to those of us who may not join in public worship there? Are not more than half its memories peculiarly ours? Do we not yearn in the midst of its glories for what it might have been in its fulness?

To Marcelle it was more homelike than any other building she had seen in England. It was of one family with Rheims, Amiens and Chartres. But it was very different to be at home in the Abbey as I was, to remember the days when as a half-frightened child I used to peer among the tombs and puzzle out strange eighteenth-century epitaphs— proud-sounding adjectives with their odd ring, as if lecturing the Almighty on the excellence of His creatures.

Marcelle had not like me shivered as a child at the grue some stony death, emerging from the tomb with his spear to thrust it into the beautiful young woman above! She had not felt the thrill of fear, inspired in an English Catholic child by the waxwork bust of the persecuting Queen Elizabeth. Nor did she know how a girl of fifteen, with a dawning knowledge of literature, and sensible of having mastered all the intricacies of eighteenth-century politics in Macaulay’s essays, can gaze with breathless admiration at the monument to Chatham, and almost hear Pitt in dying accents bid her roll up the map of Europe; and then leaving the south transept go to see Fox tended by slaves in the most hideous of all the hideous sculptures, with an awe-struck sense of his magnificent wickedness ?

Marcelle would have cleared away all the marble enormities, the odd death's heads, the pagan grandiloquent inscriptions, and all the upright half-dressed great men who had they died before the Reformation would have been kneeling or lying in peace. I could not argue it with her, I had not the patience, but I would not have had a stone touched or an absurdity erased even to bring out the glory of the great Gothic lines of the building. Its very defacements, its worst blemishes told the story of the country loved by Englishmen so passionately, and by none more passionately than by the children of the proscribed and persecuted Papist. We do not only love Burke, who risked and lost the greatest places in the State by pleading for us, we love George III, who most honestly refused to emancipate us. We under- stand the rulers who could not understand us. We went to fight and to die for a country that banned us and we only loved her the more! It is often thus with the least-loved child of a large family.

Even today I felt all this too strongly for words, although another aspect of the great Abbey was the most obvious in connection with what had just passed. We were in a glow of joy in which all other things were reflected. …[We were appealing to Rome]. Would not the men who built that great pile have done just the same as we? Did they not do the same? Had they not been, were they not now of a solidarity with us? Pass by in silence all that had come between them and us and we found again our fellows in the greatest religious organism known to humanity. Was there no romance in that?

And so leaving the transept of the silent singers, we passed into the Confessor's Chapel, and we knelt there unobserved to pray that an English King and Saint might bless our doing what he indeed would have done.

"The tomb used to be covered in gold,' said a verger, in a loud, strident voice, as he came into the chapel with a group of tourists, " but that was because the Pope canonized his body and made him a saint.”


JFM said...

... Poor Confessor, a curious process indeed I But after a few minutes we were told that we must leave the chapel, as service was about to begin. We stayed as we walked down the nave, arrested by the exquisite beauty of the sounds. To me from a child the Anglican service had had a peculiar attraction. The exquisite gravity and culture and reverence, the wonderful beauty of the English, and the strange pathos the unconscious hunger that seemed to haunt its beauty. Did it not mourn exquisitely but as a widow in Zion? Was it not the expression of souls belonging, we might indeed hope, to the invisible Church, but yearning after the full measure of Christ?

Then a single, beautiful, refined voice began to read the lesson — with the traditional culture of our whole university history, with a perfection almost unknown in our own churches.

And as we came away he was saying:

“But we will not boast of things without our measure, as though we have reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ.”

“But according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.”

"Not boasting of things without our measure, that is other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly.”

And as we came out into the autumn sunshine, our minds full of the richness of our own lot, we dreamed of a possible moment of that enlarging "according to rule" which the increase of a faith so beautiful, if incomplete, might bring to rejoice the heart of our common mother.

– Mrs. Wilfrid Ward in Out of Due Time (1906), 206-209.

Jack said...

Important parts of the Anglican Patrimony are serious efforts at adapting Gregorian Chant to English texts for the Mass and the Divine Office, something that the Latin Church did not really attempt to do, at least as extensively, with the introduction of vernacular liturgies.

These efforts, resulting in such classics as the Monastic Diurnal Noted and Anglican Gradual, could serve as resources for church musicians working with English liturgies.

Orthodox and Eastern Catholics have not hesitated to adapt their traditional chants to English and other vernaculars. Why was the Latin Church so reluctant to do this, merely setting for recited Masses in the vernacular?

JBazChicago said...

You all need to be less defensive. Geez!!!

I'm NO FAN of this all!
However, as I was told by my canon law professor, read what's there, only what's there, no more, no less, no other.

There is something to be said about measured diplomacy.

And whether you like the Ordinariate Liturgy or not. The history of the Roman Rite has had several usages, there were several "uses" in England alone, not to mention the many of the religious orders. Cardinal Ratzinger spoke of one rite, with several uses, so I use his terminology.

Settle down people, settle down...

Lee L-J said...

Hello Athelstane.

Those things mentioned are very nice I must say. They do however , they were somewhat made with an Mindset that the CofE was "Catholic" or at least just one 'broken branch' and therefore have always lacked, for me, any sort of substance. As someone said above " extol their virtues while we denigrate our own". This is what seems to accompany the schizophrenic mindset of many Latin Catholics who run after all sorts of things like an spoilt little Child and their newest 'fads'.

Just in general though, the Roman Rite has always been diverse but expressed itself 'mainly' mid the old Roman Rite and 'uses' alongside, all organic and stemming from a legitimate source. Same cannot be said of Anglican Patrimony barring many churches built in the 19th century (in England anyway).

Lee L-J said...

I forgot to add that the Ambrosian Rite and Mozarabic Rite are somewhat 'sui generis' and cannot be said umb 'uses' to be.

Long-Skirts said...


A girl, a lady,
Wife, a mother,
From church of England
She saw the other.

The other where
Her church came from.
The other where
The fruit was plumb.

The other where
Her church beat down
And looted jewels
For earthly crown.

And watching, she
Was irritated
And slowly grew

Sitting silent
In her shell
Her home a place
Where priests could dwell,

Confect the Mass,
Many saved,
For this their limbs
And lives were braved.

Because a woman
Kept her shell
A jealous fortress
Barring hell.

And then the weak
Pried open wide
Exposing truth
The shell’s inside

Where mother, wife,
Lady, girl
Had turned into
York’s royalist pearl.

Marv said...

As someone who attends a "triple rite" parish, I occasionally attend the Anglican Rite Mass because of convenience, i.e. it is offered at 8 am. I must tell you that it is far better than any NO Mass in the vernacular that I have ever attended.

Jack said...

The Ambrosian Mass is definitely Western, with Roman influences, but significant differences, such as listing Milanese saints and martyrs in the Canon and a different Per ipsum.

It has six Sundays in Advent. There are other propers of the Mass, such as the Prayer over the Corporal.

The Ambrosian Office is very different from the Roman, and has always had the Psalter distributed over 2 weeks.

The Mozarabic Mass has a different canon for each day, with the exception of the Words of Institution, if I'm not mistaken. It also has a very different form of the Nicene Creed.

Jeremiah Methuselah said...

Marv, what is an “Anglican Rite Mass” ? Is it a valid Mass ? Not according to Cardinal Merry del Val, so, convenient it might be, but it does not meet Sunday obligation.

Papa Bergoglio said “I am sure this [meeting] will enable the spiritual, liturgical and pastoral traditions that form the Anglican patrimony to be better known and appreciated in the Catholic world," the Pope added. Better known and appreciated ? Yes, perhaps, but not valid. Truly, this is a Jesuit pope.

The Rad Trad said...

The Ambrosian rite is a distinct Latin-language liturgy with its own heritage which was slowly Romanized. The Mozarabic rite, aside from being in Latin, is practically unrelated to the Latin Church.

Adfero said...

Jeremiah, Marv just meant Anglican Use Mass. It's valid.

Lepanto said...

Let's hope that he thanks the Ordinariate for being so understanding about the 'hesitant' welcome they received in England when they joined the one, true Church and made such sacrifices to do so.

Woody said...

Athelstane, who was behind the TLM edict?

Mike said...

I'd still say the King's College Choir - what magnificent singing!

Oh, and the character of the curate in Delderfield's To Serve Them All My Days.

after that, I'm afraid I draw a blank...

mjh said...

Bravo Long Skirts. One of your best

Magdalene said...

I have enjoyed the Anglican Use Mass when I had the opportunity to attend. It is at least what the "novus ordo" should have been--a more faithful translation, bells and smells, ad orientem, communion rail, etc.

No pop "Christian Rock" music.

Deoacveritati said...

To me Anglicans should come home as Catholics period.

The so called Church of England came into being because of a rebellious king who wanted to divorce.

Please let us not forget all the Catholics who were his victims as he introduce his Schism and name himself the Head of the Church of England.

I for my part do not doubt the Anglican Masses are better than many Catholic Novus Ordo Masses but that is not the point. Anglicans decided to return to the Catholic Church because of all the scandals in their church. Just think of it for a moment, if the Anglican Church would not have women bishops and gay priests and bishops etc. would they have thought in returning to Catholicism???

Probably not.

I must say that I am grateful to God that they look to the Catholic Church to find a solution to this problem in their Church, but then again why not ask them to return as Roman Catholics? why recent Popes feel the need to compromise Catholicism???

As JB said imagine how St. Thomas More would feel, and not only him but the countless Catholic martyrs of England.

Before I forget, allow me to suggest Rise and growth of the Anglican schism (1877) by Nicholas Sander for your summer reading.

Gratias said...

For a moment I thought Pope Francisco was apologizing for the actions of Pope Benedict XVI.

Alexander adulescens said...

The Anglican patrimony?

Heresy, persecution of Catholics, liberalism, divorces.

I remember my priest telling me that just a few decades ago here in Australia it was not uncommon to see Wanted signs with "Catholics need not apply" at the end of them. Yes, we appreciate the "Anglican patrimony". Better than Argentina does to be sure.

- adulescens

Angelo said...

I happened to watch a Anglican Liturgy on video. I was amazed that it looked identical to the Tridentine Mass. It was all in English and was surprised that they retained many of the prayers of the Tridentine Mass. The Episcopal Church in my hometown now refers to its Liturgy as the "Mass". I thank God for the Ordinate granted to them by the Church. Perhaps next the Holy Father will recognize the great Patrimony of the Catholic Church.

Eric said...

@Angelo: "Perhaps next the the Holy Father will recognize the great Patrimony of the Catholic Church."

Sick burn.

Angelo said...

Eric, "Sick burn" ??? The great Patrimony of the Holy Catholic Church has been ripped to pieces. By who other, than those who practice the heresy of modernism. The Anglicans traditions are being hailed and treated with respect, and rightly so. When will the great traditions of the Holy Latin Rite be given the same honor? Why did Rome not call the Anglicans stubborn, hard headed, foolish and accused of trying to tame the Holy Ghost for asking to retain their own Patrimony? Why was the Novus Ordo with all its abuses not forced down their throats against their will? If the longed for Unity between the Orthodox and Roman Church is realized. Will Rome treat them like Latin Rite Traditionalists. By destroying their Liturgy, forcing the vernacular on them, and abolishing Greek, replacing their glorious vestments with bland rags, forced to have female lectors and female extraordinary Eucharistic ministers. The removal of all beauty from their Churches especially the removal of Icons ect... All for the sake of humility. It would be great for the Catholic Church to honor its own Patrimony!

Jeremiah Thomas Walker said...

along with Woody's question about the origin of the Latin Mass edict, who is in or what is the Magic Circle? Is that the British version of the grip Liberal and Progressive, (but i repeat myself), Catholic bishops had on the episcopal selection process for US bishops, especially until the '80's?

Jeremiah Methuselah said...

Adfero, Thank you, it’s much clearer now : I had not looked at this particular form of the Mass before, as I feel no need for “novelty”, been there, didn’t like it at all, I nearly lost my Faith. The TLM is deep in my bones and my blood and cannot be ousted.

While there might be interesting liturgical aspects to discuss, I don’t see this movement as anything more than a half-way welcome house for Anglicans who have finally had enough of the appalling stuff they get from their “bishops”. In fact, I thought the rush to welcome them “in” was not the best way to do things, after all, nothing was changed, they have been in a dreadful state for years.

Deoacveritati said it much better than I could, except that I have absolutely no need nor desire to read about “Rise and growth of the Anglican schism”, too many bad things happening right inside our own Holy Catholic Church for that.

Angelo said...

Jeremiah Methuselah, Has said something that is true of all traditional minded Catholics. His words ring the truth, "The TLM is deep in my bones and my blood and cannot be ousted". The Church must recognize that this is true of all TLM minded Catholics. They cannot tear out of our Souls what God the Holy Ghost has written upon our hearts. Not even we ourselves can tear Traditional Catholicism out of ourselves, as it is deeply embedded in our minds, hearts, body and souls. I thank Jeremiah Methuselah for putting this fact into words.