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On clerical homosexuality and the desire to modernize the Church: a perspective from Greece

The following passage comes from an article (simply titled Περί ὁμοφυλοφιλίας or "On Homosexuality") originally posted  last month on the official website of the Greek Orthodox Eparchy of Kifisia, Amoros and Oropos and translated into English by John Sanidopoulous of the "Mystagogy" blog. (The Passion of Homosexuality According to St. John Chrysostom.)

Emphases are Rorate's. 

It is understood that in the circle of priests homosexuality is unthinkable. Even the simplest carnal sins are obstacles to the Priesthood. The Saints of our Church believe that even the smallest hair in the eye of a person causes tingling and pain and it takes many tears to remove it from the eye. So also the candidate for the clergy, and much more the active clergyman, cannot rest in his priestly ministry, but is tormented and suffers, if there is the slightest carnal sin.

Homosexuality is the heaviest sin, which irrevocably and definitely prevents one entering the Priesthood (and of course the Church does not allow any homosexual to be elevated to the priesthood, even if he has stopped the sin for years). Basil the Great considers homosexuality or lesbianism a beastly sin: "Abusers of themselves with mankind and with beasts, as also murderers, wizards, adulterers, and idolaters, are deserving of the same punishment" (Canon 7 of Basil the Great). Saint Gregory of Nyssa characterizes homosexuality as "unnatural" in his 4th Canon. Saint John the Faster observes in his 19th Canon, according to the compilation of The Rudder by Saint Nikodemos the Hagiorite, the following: "A boy who has been ruined by any man cannot come into the holy priesthood. For although on account of his immature age he did not sin himself, yet the vessel of his body was rent and became useless in connection with the sacred priesthood."

Unfortunately there exists within our Holy Orthodox Church an organized group of homosexual clergy, who by their provocative behavior and by their obscene insistence on mortally sinning, take others by the neck and drag them to hell from this life, preparing them, alas, for eternal hell, even though they ought to grab them from the abyss of destruction and reconcile them once again with Christ.

The psychology of clergy possessed by the deadly passion of homosexuality mutates essentially into having a persecution mentality by the Church. The residual or inherent faint voice of their conscience cries out for them being on the wrong course and for their daily augmented personality which they form. Incredible nervousness bifurcates their personality, and there is obsessive antipathy towards specific individuals, terrible negligence in their liturgical and pastoral duties, disregard for their family if by chance they are married, and a substantial annihilation of their angelic schema [a reference to higher monastic garb in the Byzantine tradition - Rorate] if they are unmarried. Manic to the gut with various sophistries regarding the Sacred Canons, together with hypocritical and pious excuses, they try to modernize the Church.

Unfortunately within such a group of homosexual clergymen there has developed an illusory and deceptive climate of supposed love and support for one another. Young inexperienced candidate clergy, if not guided spiritually and maturely by an experienced spiritual and pious Orthodox mindset, are likely to be ensnared by the exaggerated zealous protectionism indicated above. They are bound emotionally and in a friendly manner with these patrons of theirs, and if there is some tendency towards homosexuality, they basically become victims of this network with devastating consequences, ultimately for the former and the latter. The evil of the above groups, or with others who are more individualized, continues with scenarios and pitfalls set up across the world by the wicked and cunning serpent, the devil.

If the candidate or young clergyman eventually joins and stays within the circles of the homosexuals, he will certainly suffer the consequences of being a particular type as well as terrible alienation against the measures and molds, which experienced and knowledgeable homosexual patrons are imposing.

There are also rare exceptions of repentant or remorseful homosexual clergymen, who are suffering spiritually, psychologically, existentially and perhaps physically, and with nothing can they find rest and quiet from the relentless torture of their conscience. If they do not deeply repent and give up their high pastoral office, they will never rest and acquire the inner experience of complete forgiveness by God.


  1. Others will come and say, but, but, science shows.. Yes, Science shows, you are going to put your soul in jeopardy with all likelihood of ending up in Purgatory for a long time or worse hell!
    Our Bishop better take heed because they will be answerable for every soul they lose. Do them actually realize they are responsible or every single soul the Lord has put in their care? How terrifying!!

  2. This is so hurtful and judgmental. Can't we dialogue about this?

  3. Sort of echo's Pope Benedict XVI directive that those that are this way should leave the priesthood.

  4. Excellent. Not simply a condemnation of homosexual acts, but of the homosexual perversion itself.

  5. Good insight about homosexuality in general, not merely in priests. The "persecution" they constantly feel is coming from the faint echoes of their own consciences. Hence their desperate but inherently futile efforts to silence all voices of disapproval.

  6. Very wise insight about the persecution complex. It is surprising this is even an issue in Greece where the clergy are for the most part married.

  7. This should be food for thought for Rod Dreher and many Catholics who think they're escaping the Church's problems with this scourge.

  8. ahh, lessons from the past. we can definitely learn a lot from this, and remember how strongly the early church condemned homosexuality in its entirety.

  9. Notice the unambiguous condemnation of homosexuality. Compare that to the standard Roman Catholic statement on the issue today ("disordered act, persons of great dignity," etc.). There is a conviction, and depth to that analysis, that we have lost.

  10. Dr. Timothy J. Williams,


  11. Venuleius Romanus,

    Yes, we are aware of the problems in the Orthodox Church. We're a Traditional Catholic blog, aren't we? If you have nothing else to do but imply that we are suddenly ignorant friends with schism simply because of this post then it is obvious that you don't know what Rorate is.

  12. Avid homosexuality or even lukewarm support of the same is a bane to the priesthood. However, even back in the "old days" our requirements weren't quite as bleak as some of the quotes from this article suggest. Even he who was notorious could be admitted granted he was judged properly converted and no longer a problem.

    That said, I think the quote about the boy ruined by a man speaks to a more profound insight-homosexuality is often brought on by such an action. A younger person treated in a deviantly sexual way sometimes embraces the perversion. Great caution must be exercised in dealing with this matter.

    Finally, I think many good, holy, and fine men are not suited for the priesthood because of these sorts of matters. Maybe not objectively according to the Church, but rather on account of temperament and prudence. It is not that they are irrevocably tainted and unworthy of anything but solitude (by no means!), but I think that the Devil puts a huge bullseye on priests that he doesn't put on, say, married men or single men and any seemingly little thing can be used by the Father of Lies to great effect against the man, the priesthood and the Church. The responsibility of the Holy Priesthood is so great, is so divine and so terrible that any other vocation a man can have pales in comparison.

  13. Briliant analysis, down to the point, no beating around the bush.You can't let Dracula to be a guardian of the blood bank.

  14. We (and the Orthodox) must be careful with terminology. It is often carelessly used in these discussions.

    Homosexual inclination is not a sin. There are many Catholics who heroically resist such inclinations and temptations.
    Homosexual practise is grievously sinful and indicates a degree of character disorder which should bar any such from the priesthood.

    It is interesting that the Orthodox also have (or seem to have) such a problem. The post Vatican II crisis in the Catholic Church has several causes, but the inordinate influence of secret homosexual clergy, often in collusion, is now seen as one of the major factors.

    Let’s hope that the Holy Father, in addition to rightly reminding us of the need to feed the hungry etc., will deal openly and courageously with the many other problems in the Church, including this problem which he too has admitted exists, within the One True Church.

  15. This passage is spot on.

    Even Homosexual inclinations warps ands taints a persons outlook on facts, and the spiritual life to the point where he expresses himself in a way that is not conducive to clarity and Charity.

    Men and women who have homosexual inclinations should not become religious, and if they are, they should leave now.

    They have the same dignity as all other men and should be treated with charity and respect, but they cannot be in a position of authority.
    They should bear their cross patiently as a layman.

    For the good of souls.

  16. It is absolutely terrifying with what speed the homosexual plague is spreading throughout former Christendom - check out this photo of the "Catholic" mayor of Barcelona spreading out the gay flag on the balcony of the city council!!!! (it's the post for "2 de Julio" - 2nd of July)

    I wonder what could be the main cause for this plague of homosexuality??? Is it because of people worshipping themselves rather than God that the Lord allows such people to fall into such a beastly sin? In Spain the fall has been very severe indeed (check out the photo from the link above) - in 30 years we have passed from being a Catholic state to being one of the first countries in the world to approve the abomination known as gay "marriage"!!

    Nuestra Señora del Pilar, ruega por España!!!

  17. How easily we forget that God's grace can overcome everything, even same sex attraction. Just as heterosexual men can be celibate, so can homosexual men.

  18. Having had the misfortune of a gay priest as a pastor, the truths of the faith were not taught to the parish. There was nothing to indicate he believed in the Real Presence. He wanted his boyfriend to live with him but the part of the staff that advised against it were fired without notice. The boyfriend was given a place across the street instead, how convenient. They liked to take expensive vacations together. Father built himself a nice new rectory. Could go on and on. He did like to decorate the church, that much can be said. He hated hearing confessions and got out of it whenever he could and turned down requests for the sacrament.

    A terrible terrible thing to have a gay priest.

  19. @Magdalene
    We have a straight priest and the truths of the faith are not taught in parish.

  20. A thoughtful contribution. That said, I do wonder about the place for the homosexual in the Church. He cannot become a priest or religious. He cannot become a physical father, for obvious reasons. Yet our Holy Father just recently spoke about how every man should and needs to be a "father" - be in the physical sense of begetting children or in the spiritual sense of becoming a priest - he made this quite clear. But where is the place for the homosexual in this schema? Our Holy Father went on about how not being a father shouldn't be an option for any Christian and that remaining without such a role is spiritually impoverishing. So - where does the homosexual fit in, then? Is he bound to be impoverished through no fault of his own? Consigned to celibacy for life without the possibility of a priestly or religious vocation is quite, quite the cross to bear.

  21. And yet, American seminaries are still allowing men with ssa into the ranks. Do not kid yourselves. This problem is still institutionalized and so, the rot spreads.

  22. Anonymous10:50 PM

    Garrett, what do you mean by impoverished?

  23. On a more positive note: St. Augustine writes that God allows evil, a consequence of our free will making bad decisions, in order that more good comes out of it. He also writes that evil will be a mystery until the Last Judgement.

    Gregory the Great states that evil ministers to God's design and that only at the end will we see that evil led to goodness and justice. So, perhaps we should see such horrific sins around us as a mercy for us to gain merit in the midst of suffering. But, we must accept this suffering.

  24. Boys who have been raped cannot become priests? I don't see anything Christian in that.
    Adulterers cannot be ordained? Didn't Jesus teach that it was adulterous to look lustfully at a woman? In that case it is a rare man who is not barred from the priesthood.

  25. Jonathan, the sins of the mind are horrible, but the sins of the body change one forever. This is a mystery of the soul-body unity. In adultery, one rips apart that unity and there are consequences of such sin. Also, adultery is not a "private" sin, but a public one, causing scandal and involving families.

    It is a rare man that becomes a priest, a good and holy priest. Purity of heart and body must be essential to the call of celibacy, and in our day and age, sadly, we have not formed children correctly in purity of heart at a young age, which, IMO, is why there are so few vocations.

  26. Anonymous11:16 PM

    That, and we've contracepted all the priests and nuns out of existence. To think we can have one or two children and produce a vocation is absurd 99% of the time.

  27. Adfero,

    I was recalling our Holy Father's point from memory. Perhaps the quote below from His Holiness will shed some light.

    "“All of us, to exist, to become complete, in order to be mature, we need to feel the joy of fatherhood: even of us who are celibate,” taught the Bishop of Rome

  28. Anonymous11:54 PM

    That quote really has nothing to do with your assertion of impoverished homosexuals.

  29. Anonymous12:40 AM

    It is a sad situation for homosexuals. But so it is for the blind or deaf. Yet which airlines would hire a blind pilot? Blind people are not suitable for that kind of job. Likewise, homosexuals are not suitable for priesthood or life in religious communities (no problem with them being airline pilots though!). Maybe homosexuals could become hermits or anchorites?

  30. Ok, Adfero, then let me revise: how are homosexuals supposed to feel the joy of fatherhood and become complete given the above-referenced state of affairs?

  31. Anonymous2:29 AM

    I don't know how non-fathers feel that. As the pope to explain it. All I know is that their disorder is a cross they have to bear, as others bear their crosses.

  32. @ Edward More: I have long thought that our removal from direct contact with the natural world is at least partly to blame. Prior to the rise of giant cities, when our ancestors for the most part lived on farms, the distinction between male and female would have been more strongly implanted in people's minds. I can't imagine there would be too many gays in places where life and death and natural reproduction are part of every day life.

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  34. I found the phrase "a boy who has been ruined by any man" interesting. In Spain it said that a boy has been ruined, "arruinado" or "estropeado", by homosexual contact.

  35. I read the article attentively and the comments that follow on from this.
    I have a homosexual conditioning.
    I entered religious life and made final vows - but the Vatican's document on homosexuals in the priesthood came out so I refused ordination: I'd made a vow of obedience and it was clear what the Church was asking.
    I was not supported in this choice by my Superiors - but they couldn't force me to be ordained so they accepted it begrudgingly.
    Thinking and praying more and more about this question I subsequently, asked for and was given permission from the Holy See to leave religious life - as some people on here recommend, I notice.
    Again - I think this was the right thing to do before God.
    The most recent magisterial document about homosexuals in religious life is a hard to find discipline from 1962 saying that homosexuals shouldn't be admitted to vowed life. The tradition of the Church, is, however, pretty constant on this question.
    That said, St Peter Damian recommended that homosexuals be turned over to secular authorities and killed. Pope St Leo X didn't do that - which earned for him a further remonstration from the Doctor of the Church. Both are canonised saints, however.
    I say all of this because there seems to be a disconnect here:
    Homosexuals in the Church are urged to carry their Cross as laymen. You are happy to describe our conditioning as a Cross - and therefore a means of sanctification.
    And where are the role models you give us to inspire us that this path of sanctification - through the grace that God gives us in His sacraments in His Church - who do we look to?
    Which life of the saint can inspire us to persevere?
    There are thousands of canonised saints and models of sanctity.
    Which one would you recommend to men and women with homosexual conditioning that says to them: See? The Cross you carry is a means of sanctification - don't get discouraged - trust in God. He hasn't given you a Cross that is too heavy to bear.
    I suspect that for many people commenting on here - you'd rather we "prayed the gay away."
    Well... why not.
    But if this is a work in progress, that takes time (have any of you come across miraculously cured gays and lesbians?) who do you recommend in the Church's 2000 year history that can inspire us on our way?
    And then, of course, is the reality that these Catholics who have a homosexual conditioning, who carry their Cross, who live chaste lives according to Church teaching - they've got to work, right? They do have to earn a living.
    However, most of you would be unhappy I suspect if the homosexual Catholic went into teaching, medicine, social work, the armed services, or anything too ecclesiastical: working for a diocese or a Catholic charity.
    So, what would you have us do?
    Work in retail, accountancy, or maybe - and you'll forgive me irony - what you'd really like is that we worked in a place that befitted our conditioning:
    refuse collection maybe.

    I was going to say that some of you commenting here seem to want "homosexuals" (reducing us to our conditioning, I see) to ring a bell and cry out "unclean, unclean" - and others, out of noble pity could reach out to us and show us "compassion". But then it occurred to me that others of you don't want to have to acknowledge even that - and would probably accuse us of crying out "unclean" as a persecution complex to draw attention to yourselves....

    I love His Church.
    I try to follow its discipline and teaching.
    I ask for God's mercy.
    And I trust in Our Lady.

  36. jprichard

    Why do you necessarily need a gay saint to inspire you? St Ignatius of Loyola struggled with lust and did eventually 'pray away' his temptations.
    I am not a priest but I am inspired by saintly priests. I haven't come close to martyrdom but when I see that the martyrs gave up their lives for the Faith it inspires me to make the smaller sacrifices in my own life. I don't think the specific details of our temptations are important, only our resolve to resist them with God's grace matters.

  37. Jonathan,

    I think perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying over this.
    Of course, for questions of lust, there are a raft of Catholic saints both men and women who are inspiring and who I pray to.
    And there are rafts of Catholic saints who inspire me just generally!
    As an aside, I find it interesting that you see the question of (homo)sexuality primarily as a question of lust... Again, we can't criticise "the gays" for reducing their identity to their sexuality or sexual practices - and then make the same reduction ourselves.
    But my point was: since the broad consensus on here is that homosexuality is a Cross that those Catholics who do have that conditioning have to unite, in Faith, to the Cross of their Lord - it is therefore a way of sanctification - or at the very least a part of their sanctification. And a not inconsiderable part when we see just how much of an emphasis is placed on family, fatherhood and spiritual fatherhood.
    In 2000 years of Church history is there not one holy soul that we can point to and say: this, also, was part of their journey to God?
    I have moral certitude that these souls do exist.
    I have moral certitude also that there are some misguided members of my Church who would rather they didn't... and certainly wouldn't want to draw any attention to them.
    So - again - it comes back to that leper analogy, doesn't it:
    You're afflicted.
    But in secret.

    So, remind me: what exactly is the Cross I'm meant to be carrying here - my homosexual conditioning or the attitude of my brothers and sisters in Christ to people who have a homosexual conditioning?

    All is grace - St Thérèse provides me inspiration - and I doubt, very much, that she was afflicted with a lesbian conditioning.
    But what if she were?
    Let me turn your question back on to you:
    What difference would it make if she had been?
    Would she be "less" of a saint in your eyes - this "greatest saint of modern times"?
    For some people commenting on here - the fact that I raise the question is a lack of respect to a canonised saint.
    I mean the Little Flower no disrespect - I love her tenderly and have learnt so much from her.
    But it seems to me that you want to have your cake and eat it:
    We can "tolerate" people who suffer from homosexuality within our Church only in so far as we know nothing about them and they don't ask for the Church to provide concrete examples of ways of living in hope and growing in Faith and Charity....

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  39. @Marie-Jacqueline

    Well, we're all striving for Heaven and holiness aren't we? Although, I'll be honest with you: I'm just hoping I scrape in to Purgatory - and if I do it'll be entirely down to Our Lady's help!

    But you raise an interesting question:
    "How about seeking to become a role model for others who suffer from this affliction?"
    This is a cold comfort.
    Catholics who are traditionalist and who "suffer from this affliction" as you say are inevitable discreet. In fact, of the handful of traditionalists whom I know (priests, religious and laity) who have a homosexual conditioning take great care to hide anything that might "betray" themselves.
    Firstly - because of respect for their parents' generation and their parents who would be too distressed by the fact that their child is "afflicted" in this way.
    Secondly - because they know that they can be tolerated in the Church - but only under certain conditions.
    And for some because, alas, for whatever reasons, they hate themselves and can barely look at themselves in the mirror because of the shame, distress and feeling that they are damnable. This might be a "persecution complex" of course and exploited as a means of furthering their agenda.
    But I doubt it.

    So, thank you for your encouragement for me to take up the banner! But do you really think that I am "out and proud"? Of course I'm not! Like many gay and lesbians who are in the pews, or on the sanctuary - I remain discreet for the reasons I highlighted above.

    For some of the people posting here - that makes us even more dangerous... but like I said in another response: you have to know what you want.
    Do you want those who have a homosexual conditioning to remain discreet and therefore to be accused of being a secret Fifth Column - because, after all, even if they are not on the sanctuary, they are still going to be participating in Parish life and, presumably, Parish Councils, Parish activities? RCIA courses? Parish events?
    Or would you rather that they (be made to) admit their affliction and go into the specially designated space/ghetto that the Church might allow them to have?
    What is it that you want from people like me?
    Some of the people who are posting on here would like us to shut up. That's fine. I've been shutting up for decades. I can do that. But then don't accuse me of belonging to a secret subversive movement to undermine the Church....

    And lastly, on a purely spiritual note you say this:
    "of course you know that on the far horizon is the Day when all of that will be sorted out. After this our exile."
    Yes.... kinda...
    But Quietism was condemned by Pope Innocent XI in his bull Coelestis Pastor of 1687. And those sentiments you express come a little bit too close to Quietism I think.
    What we can surely agree upon is that we are in a vale of tears. But I gladly make my own St Thérèse's precision that "life is not sad, the exile is sad" - or to quote St Clare in another context:

    "Thank You for having created me".

  40. Edward Moore asked: "I wonder what could be the main cause for this plague of homosexuality???

    One exorcist said that
    "homosexuality is caused by a "contagious demonic factor."

    It certainly seems to keep spreading and fast. These souls are likely possessed or obsessed by demons. Exorcists understand this because they ask the possessing demon how he entered the soul and the demons are forced to tell the truth. There are a number of reasons, New Age practices being one of the big ones.

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  42. @Marie-Jacqueline: well, maybe I haven't understood it fully. I don't think I was accusing you of formal quietism, though, do you? More a tendency in your final remark of abandoning any effort to resolve or even clarify these questions by passively making an appeal to the time of the Last Things.
    That might be wise. I don't know. I don't have infused knowledge on that question. And, like I said, to a degree I agree with you anyway - hence the in hac lacrimarum vale remark. But I guess I find it a little bit meagre that your only come back to me taking your response seriously is, "I think you've misunderstood quietism."
    You could, for instance, have explained to me in what way.... and therefore why you are right to say "you'll only understand after your death or at the end of time" - and then quote that wonderful text of Blessed Cardinal Newman's that says just that, for example...

    @Deborah N
    I know you didn't address your remarks directly to me - so forgive me for replying.
    The idea of a diabolical confusion/possession being at the cause of this plague of homosexuality is one that I've read in different contexts: Evangelical Christians in the US have spoken in those terms, as have some in Charismatic Renewal and African Pentecostal groups. As you know, maybe, certain Islamic groups see it as part of the diabolical confusion of the West in general.
    I don't know whether you'd count me among those touched by this plague.
    Probably, no?
    Is there are particularly demonic activity at work here?
    Well, traditional teaching wouldn't necessarily find fault with the person who was afflicted by demonic possession - some children seem to have been possessed at an age when you could hardly impute a very clearly formed intention of malice and co-operation with the Evil One.
    I say this only because I was 12 when I had the (vertiginous) realisation that I wasn't normal and didn't like girls in the right way. The Church, as you know, raises diverse factors and causes to my conditioning. You raise the specifically demonic one.
    In my experience: twice in religious life I had a minor exorcism (it used to be common practice before the council, you'll recall) - because, like I said in my original post - I joined a pretty traditionalist order.
    Both times the minor exorcism was done prayerfully, serenely and following the rites of Holy Mother Church.
    Neither time was accompanied by any particular manifestation of the presence of the Evil One. At least, this is what the Priests conducting the exorcism told me. I'm sure, in fact, that it was a great grace.
    I had a homosexual conditioning before and I had a homosexual conditioning afterwards. We didn't do those rites of exorcism in direct application to my conditioning - but simply because I wanted to co-operate as fully as possible with the decisions of my Superiors - with whom I had been entirely honest about myself and my past and who had never failed to be both demanding and supportive in equal measure.

    Some of the aspects of gay subculture are demonic - that's for sure - and we should be using holy water and miraculous medals far more than we do so!

    But, like I said, you weren't directly addressing your comments to me. So I'll just leave mine "out there" so to speak....

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  44. @Marie-Jacqueline
    Thanks for your fuller reply.
    I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.
    The only comment of yours that I was saying smacked of quietism was, well, the comment I specifically nominated. That's why I quoted it and only it.
    Obviously the rest of your remarks weren't included.

    Thank you for urging me to become the first known homosexual saint. Presumably there are unknown ones already. I'm not sure that this is Our Lady's intention for me. But, well, we'll see - at the End!

    Thank you for urging me not to be driven by a desire for human respect. I think I was looking for clarification concerning how Catholics who responded on here see the question - in very concrete terms. That's all. Not affirmation, not special treatment, nor approval. Simply clarification.

    You then refer to this question of chastity/unchastity. I'm not quite sure why in relation to my particular comments...
    Or perhaps it was a more general point you were making given human nature and your own personal experience. In any case, I concur completely: having taken a vow of chastity and having lived a chaste life - the offering of oneself to God does allow for, as you put it, the integration of the whole person that only deepens and grows over time.

    And lastly, let my thank you for your wise words at the end concerning spiritual direction. I entrust that intention to your prayer. As you say - some of these questions are troubling me.
    Some of these questions, however, are troubling, regardless of the fact that they trouble me or not.

    I think recent events in the Church confirm that.

    "Tout est grâce" - as Bernanos' country priest says, quoting St Thérèse. But, of course, in that moving novel it's actually her "courage et confiance" that illuminates the whole...

  45. @ jprichard: You appear to allow your homosexual inclinations to define you, and thus, find fault with every charitable post here. Perhaps I am oversimplifying, but why isf a call to chastity as a single person any different for you than for any heterosexual orthodox Catholic who is still single? I know many Carholics who are single well into their forties and beyond, yet still live chaste lives and the subsequent struggles attending that decision. For all I know, some of them may in fact be homosexual, but I know them as friends, co-workers, supporters of orthodoxy in our faith. We all have personal struggles and personal demons we deal with, but most of us deal with them privately and don't let them define us. May Mary be your comfort and solace.

  46. j prichard, homos aren't special and unique. I don't buy into this sentimental propaganda and sympathy search in order to lower our defenses. Homos have destroyed enough lives already. Heaven is for siners who minded the pure word of Christ and repented.


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