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"We will not be able to accept"

The Autumn Assembly of the French Episcopal Conference (CEF) begins today in Lourdes (the assembly even has its own blog), and the main item of discussion will be "the Traditionalist Question" and a blueprint prepared by an internal commission in response to their decision in the Spring Assembly.

It is possible to assess the mood of many of the bishops by reading this letter by Marcel Herriot, bishop of Soissons, to the current edition of the weekly Témoignage Chrétien (Source):

I join all those who deplore the creation of the Institute of the Good Shepherd without an understanding with the diocese of Bordeaux and its bishop. I seriously fear the motu proprio announced by the pope himself [?] on the general availability of the celebration of the mass from before the Council.

I wrote in "La Vie diocésaine" [the diocesan paper] on November 1:

"Whatever shall be the decisions pope Benedict XVI shall make in liturgical matters, we cannot compromise with traditionalists on the orientations provided by the Second Vatican Council. They are vital for the Church and her involvement in the present world."

I add:

"We will not be able to accept the division of our communities according to individual liturgical sensitivities and tastes".

Traditionalist priests, the leaders of this movement, are using the Latin mass as a standard-bearer for a conception of the world and of mankind which is the opposite of the spirit of the conciliar constitution "On the Church in the Modern World" [Gaudium et Spes]. The violence and arrogance of the leaders of this movement are not compatible with the values of the
Gospel of the Beatitudes.

Marcel Herriot
Bishop of Soissons, Laon, and Saint-Quentin.

17 comments:

Jon said...

!@#$%<*&?!!! this man. I can't even bring myself to write it.

AmemusAthanasium said...

Violence and arrogance has only been part of the French liberalist bishops.

They were the own sectarianly throwing stones (litterally) on Abp. Lefebvre when he was processing through Lourdes in episcopal vestments in 1982. With the Jacobines of 1793 these so-called bishops of France would even now rather hang all faithful clergy than have them live as "non-juring clergy", priests who have not foresaken 2,000 year old Tradition for a radical leftist-liberal interpretation of the "spirit of the Council".

The only ones showing violence are the "modern" bishops, who are stuck with their heads in the 1960s and 1970s. Of which this letter of the Mgr. of Moissons testifies.

Bare Ruin'd Choirs said...

Prelates of discontinuity and permanent revolution. It's like hearing the disembodied voice of the leader of a fanatical death cult ordering his followers to oblivion.

Long-Skirts said...

... the leaders of this movement, are using the Latin mass as a standard-bearer for a conception of the world and of mankind...
The violence and arrogance of the leaders of this movement are not compatible with the values of the
Gospel of the Beatitudes.

Marcel Herriot


RED

Vestments of red,
Altar cloth too,
Martyrs who bled,
Did this for you.

Gold Tabernacles,
Veiled in red's hue,
Martyrs in shackles,
Hung for this view.

Red mums full bloomed,
In water and brass,
Martyrs consumed,
Burned for this Mass.

Red rays of sun,
Rose-streak the nave,
Their suf'ring done,
Now, red, we must crave!

Embajador en el Infierno said...

"We will not be able to accept the division of our communities according to individual liturgical sensitivities and tastes".

I am still choking in laughter.

Ted said...

This very kind of intolerance in judging people was a principal reason why millions of faithful became alienated from the Church after Vatican II, and it is sad and a scandal to see that it still persists with such vigour today. May God have mercy on those who turn people away from Christ and His Church.

Ted said...

This very kind of intolerance in judging people was a principal reason why millions of faithful became alienated from the Church after Vatican II, and it is sad and a scandal to see that it still persists with such vigour today. May God have mercy on those who turn people away from Christ and His Church.

Ole Doc Farmer said...

This guy is the bishop of St. Quentin? I can think of another "San Quentin" that might be a more appropriate assignment. Word.

Cerimoniere said...

"Traditionalist priests, the leaders of this movement, are using the Latin mass as a standard-bearer for a conception of the world and of mankind which is the opposite of the spirit of the conciliar constitution "On the Church in the Modern World" [Gaudium et Spes]."

Well, here at least the Bishop agrees with the SSPX! He frames the issue in almost exactly the same terms: the tension between the spirit of that document and the ethos of the traditional liturgy.

The question is, which of these is more compatible with Tradition as a whole, and indeed which reading of the conciliar document is correct -- the one that is apparently in accord with its spirit, or the one that makes it conform with the rest of the Church's understanding, as the Pope has insisted.

JSarto said...
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JSarto said...

The way this guy understands Vatican II is purely that one of the hermeneutics of rupture. It is impossible to do anything such modernist and progressit heretics. Enough is enough! As the great Dietrich von Hildebrand used to say, schism is not the worst evil.
Benedict XVI is now in the verge of his pontificate: he will be one of the greatest Popes the Church ever had, or he will be one of the biggest disappointments that catholics ever suffered.

sacerdos15 said...

Doea anyone know the procedure of episcopal appointments in France?I do know that the Pope had to get the approval of Chirac befoe naming the archbishop of Paris,but is it true of all French appointments.If it is we see the lack of wisdon in having concordats and allowing the civil authorities any say in the appointments of Bishops.This has brought nothing but trouble to the church over the centuries and is one thing I thought VII wisely abolished or sought to.

FrV said...

Who is really arrogant the clergy of tradition or Marcel Herriot
Bishop of Soissons, Laon, and Saint-Quentin? In the photo can you recognize him as a bishop? Isn't that part of the problem that you have a stealth clergy? They are shaking because the tradition will be the future, they will attract vocations. The rot allowed and fostered by these same French bishops is why they are moribund. Shame on them.

Jordan Potter said...

Here are the wise words of Father Al Yankovic on "the hermeneutic of rupture":

Help me out! Dig!
All I do is grunt and groan
Hurts me to walk anywhere
Went to see my physician, Dr. Jones
He took my trousers off, told me to cough
Doctor says there ain't nothin' to discuss
He tells me any day I might have to wear a truss

Living with a hernia
All the time, such aggravation
Living with a hernia
Gonna be my ruination
Living with a hernia
Got to have an operation
Feel so old

Too much bad pain
Good gawd, drives me insane
Can't run, barely crawl
Got a bulge in my intestinal wall
Walk real funny, bless my soul
Can't play tennis and it's hard to bowl
You can't even do the splits now... Say it!
Better call it quits now
Now I'm sick of all this dancin' anyhow

Living with a hernia
Hurts me bad in a tender location
Living with a hernia
Had enough humiliation
Living with a hernia
Got to have an operation

I live with a hernia
Can't get up, can't bend over
Now I live with a hernia
Wait a minute...
You may not be familiar with the common types
Of hernias that you could get
So just settle down, let me clue you in
There's incomplete
Epigastric
Bladder
Strangulated
Lumbar hernia
Richter's hernia
Obstructed
Inguinal and Direct

Living with a hernia...Rupture!
I said it's causin' me such irritation
Living with a hernia
Have to have my medication
Living with a hernia
I feel bad!

alsaticus said...

to sacerdos15 upon the appointment of French bishops.
- the general case is fixed, after the Separation law, by the agreement of 1921. Nothing specific to France by the way, this is a procedure used in many countries, called "notification". The Nuntio is informing the French governement before making any nomination public : the governement can give a negative advise, based only on political griefs (basically if the candidate is a troublemaker). But it is nothing but an advise. The pope can go on, this is not a veto.
- for 2 dioceses only, the 1801 Concordate is still the law and so the president of the Republic is appointing these bishops (and their auxiliaries) and the pope is vested with a veto right. In fact, the pope and the administration are negociating and practically, there isn't much pressure from the French authorities.

In short, Rome and the pope are responsible for bishop appointment in France. Accountable to God ultimately.
In 1995, John-Paul II removed Bp Gaillot from his see, just like he did in the USA for another controversial bishop.
Saint Pius X did the same for 2 French bishops in 1904, when the process of separating State and Church was on its way.

MacK said...

Le pauvre! Another pathetic spectacle of a French NO hierarch who has lost his clerical dress. With only less than 5% of the French Catholic population (87% of French) regularly practising their NO faith, he is more naked in public than he can perceive.
The paradox is that SSPX are buying up churches his mismanagement leaves in ruins. French seminaries are desolate places and NO convents could soon be a phenomenon of the past. Listen to your rapidly aging priests, Mgr, your church is on the road to extinction.

Gaufridus said...

"Benedict XVI is now in the verge of his pontificate: he will be one of the greatest Popes the Church ever had, or he will be one of the biggest disappointments that catholics ever suffered."

Perhaps now, more than ever, the Holy Father needs our prayers.

Have the Society given the Pope the Rosary bouquet, yet?