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The Turning Tide:
Four SSPX Bishops send joint letter to the Pope
UPDATED

Spanish blog La Cigüeña de la Torre (the first to report that the decree of removal of excommunications was imminent) reports this evening that a special letter has been received at the Apostolic Palace:
A joint letter of the four Bishops ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre was received in the Apostolic Palace, in which they thank the Holy Father for the lifting of the excommunications.

The letter, written in French, is very affectionate and conciliatory.
La Cigüeña also informs that Bishop Richard Williamson "has ceased [his functions] as director of the Seminary of La Reja [Argentina]". This information has not yet been confirmed. [UPDATE: Bp. Williamson's editor has told us that he has NOT ceased his functions as head of the SSPX seminary in La Reja, Argentina.]

Sunday, Feb. 8: New UPDATE here.

Monday, Feb. 9: Confirmed at last.

59 comments:

Confiteor said...

News of this letter fills me with joy. I hope that the contents are made public soon. Things appear to be moving quickly toward full reconciliation, despite the turmoil of the past week. We must trust the Holy Father. Above all, let us continue to trust Our Lord Jesus Christ and Our Blessed Mother.

schoolman said...

I hope and pray for a speedy resolution. All Catholics of good faith need to unite themselves (now more than ever) to the Holy Father. We are seeing (true) ecumenism at work.

Anonymous said...

The anticipation is killing me. It's not any longer a matter of "will they?" but of "when?". Remember the tensions many of us experienced in anticipation of SP?

This is something I never thought I would ever experience in my life time.

Tonight's rosary will be for speedy reconciliation.

M.A.

Athanasius said...

Having read a rather slanted article in the Daily Mail today, I fear we Catholics will all need to prepare for further media onslaught in this matter. The devil does not want the reconciliation to happen and he is doing all in his power to raise public controversies and dissentions to halt it.

Of course he is doomed to failure for he has failed to consider one very important instigator of this reconciliation - Our Lady. This is the blessing for a petition of 1.7 million rosaries and She who crushes the head of the serpent will triumph.

Anonymous said...

I wish the Pope would mention Our Lady in all of this. The SSPX hasn't forgotten her.

Coopster said...

Anonymous, don't question this pope's Marian devotion.

Dan Hunter said...

La Reja, Argentina (where, I might note, His Excellency is neither dead, dying, or retired. - Ed.)

The above is from the end of Bishop Williamsons latest "Dinoscopus" website letter.
For what its worth

Anonymous said...

Could someone please define, "integralists" for me. Thanking you in advance.

Anon Anon

Me said...

Yay! Let's all keep being united in prayer for this. Our prayers together are so much more powerful.

beng said...

Feb 2, 2009 hath passed. I want a new date to look forward to.

Anonymous said...

I am happy to see the four Bishops wrote the letter together. It does not look like they are going to offer Bishop Williamson up for sacrifice, as some have suggested, even on this site. Very encouraging . . . inspiring.

Brian

Anonymous said...

Thank goodness we have the anonymous option again. Once again, I am not hiding by that but I find it so inconvenient to go into Google/Blogger.

For once, I agree with everything Confiteor has written here. I note that Bsp. W. has apparently vacated his position as seminary rector in Argentina. I am wondering if the compromise will be that he will stay with the Society and sign onto the reconciliation, but cease exercising authority. We shall see.

We need to hope right now that Rome will, yet again, allow the Society to sign a document which does not make specific reference to Vatican II, any more than to Lyons II (the latter being far more important in any event). Let's pray on that. Vatican II is not a dogma of the Faith

This might be settled sooner than we think. With God, all things are possible.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

On M.A.'s comments:

I feel *EXACTLY* the same way. It is a fault in my character that I get too wound up in these things. I suppose that we should step back and consider how long it has taken to get here. BUT I CAN'T! I can't sleep because of this, damnit!

Peter Karl T. Perkins (P.K.T.P.)
Victoria, B.C., Canada

Anonymous said...

On Beng's comment:

I fear we may have to wait until 29th June, the Feast of SS. Peter & Paul, and the 21st anniversary of the 1988 consecrations. On the other side, the Pope may want to resolve this fast so that it does not hang like a cloud over his May trip to the Holy Land.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

May God bless all of these bishops with an outpouring of the dew of the Holy Ghost. May He soften their hearts, sharpen and enlighten their minds, and fill them with joy.

St. Michael, pray for us.

"Integralist" is often used to mean traditionalist, though I think it more properly relates to those who opposed liberal gov'ts and fought modernism in the early 20th century.

I recently requested some material from the SSPX. In my note I mentioned that I hoped to see the day when full canonical regularity would further fructify and expand the work of the SSPX. I wrote this only a couple of days before "La Cigüeña de la Torre" began to fortell the possible lifting of the excommunications. I wrote the note really being unsure if it would happen in my lifetime. What a joy this is!!! My prayers will continue.

PHILOTHEA said...

"integralists"

This is generally used as an slur against those simpletons who actually believe what the Church teaches and has defined as imutable doctrine.

Anonymous said...

Coopster,

Millions of Rosaries were offered for this lifting of the excommunications. And before that millions of Rosaries were offered for the freeing of the Traditional Latin Mass. You point to the Holy Father's acknowledgement of Our Lady's role in these events and I won't have any reason to question this particular absence. I have no idea of the Holy Father's Marian devotion other than what I read in his book, "God and the World." So, please don't accuse me of being a "denier" when I did no such thing.

Anonymous said...

Well, it is a step forward that so many of you have finally, after days devoted to defending Williamson's saying utterly implausible things that he now admits he hasn't thought freshly about for more than 20 years, concluded that it's a positive step that Williamson has finally abandoned, no doubt under duress, his seminary post and is considering thinking more clearly once again on even secular matters.

It is unfortunate, though, the communal epiphany that Williamson only now be marginalized before he does any more damage to the Church didn't occur last week before the rest of mankind's reflexive cynicism about, and fundamental misunderstanding of, the Church was deepened by his reckless, unrepentant follies.

Please, Bp. Wiiliamson, get on with your long neglected "examin[ing] everything again and look[ing] at the evidence", so you can mail in your retraction (you don't seem to do too well on TV)and let the SSPX and the Church have a fruitful dialogue, instead of inspiring bloggers to heatedly hurl speculative accusations accusing various senior clergy of each religious institution of malevolent behavior.

And, Bp Williamson, please consider taking some long overdue time in prayerful solitude to reflect on what role you (of course, you were not alone) may have played in discrediting the SSPX and the Church in this whole unfortunate scandal to the Church.

NCTradCatholic said...

Calm down, Coopster. No one on this thread is questioning the Pope's Marin devotion.

Anonymous said...

"integralists"

A slur designed to discredit those who believe, pray and practice the faith without compromise in the modern world.

Anonymous said...

"integralists"

A slur designed to discredit those Catholics who pray, worship and believe as there fore-fathers did.

Aimed at those who opposed to compromising with the sprit of the modern world.

A phrase typically used by French Bishops.

Anonymous said...

People need to calm down. There will NOT be a speedy resolution. Doctrinal talks will come first. The SSPX has repeatedly stated, that for the good of the whole Church, doctrinal discussions on V2 need to happen. As Bp Fellay has said many times, we can't have a bridge without first having a solid foundation.

Furthermore, #2 on the Secretary of State's letter is sure to be rejected.

I think people should remind themselves of what occurred last spring, when there was an "ultimatum". The hive was abuzz that this was the SSPX's last chance...cooler heads prevailed, and now here we are.

immaculataconceptio said...

Great picture from... Lourdes.

This is the work of the Immaculate Conception.

The FSSPX has shown their devotion to our Lady.

Our Holy Father has been a pilgrim here just recently.

Let's pray for the intentions of the Supreme Pontiff.

Father George bloggingLOURDES

LeonG said...

Anything found in The Daily Mail has to be treated with the utmost caution. This is a tabloid rag.

The term "integralists" is like "Lefebvists" or "Lefebvrites" which are essentially meaningless labels. However, they have been conjured up by those who think and speak pejoratively of Roman Catholic Traditionalists who want the whole Faith and not something that has been pared down to suit the world. Archbishop Lefebvre never wanted any other than to protect the orthodox Roman Catholic Faith, not a separate church. In France, if you want to insult traditional Catholics "integriste" suffices to portray fanatical, fundamentalist, ultra-conservative schismatics, usually in the form of SSPX. The hostile French opposition to the Confraternity insists, in spite of public statements to the contrary by Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos and others, that such "integristes" are schismatic, out of communion with Roma with invalid Sacraments. Mention SSPX and there ensues a cascade of irrational misunderstandings and misinformation.

Having been on the receiving end of this neurotic and unreasonable tirade several times, I can assure you the French NO Church must be having paranoia- induced nightmares following on from Pope Benedict XVI's lifting of the excommunications of the four bishops who most NO French Catholics love to hate or, at best, misunderstand. Show them printed statements to demonstrate the point and they stare at you as though you are clutching onto a falsehood contrived by some media conspiracy.

"Integristes" - no - Roman Catholic who loves traditional Roman Catholicism - yes.

PHILOTHEA said...

"integralists"

A commonly used word designed to insinuate that the accused catholics are dinosaurs and fail to meet the standards and trends of the modern world.

Normally used by French Bishops.

New Catholic said...

"I think people should remind themselves of what occurred last spring, when there was an "ultimatum". The hive was abuzz that this was the SSPX's last chance...cooler heads prevailed, and now here we are."

Anon,

It was their last chance, at least in this pontificate... Current events are a direct consequence of the so-called "ultimatum" (actually, conditions mutually agreed by Bp. Fellay and Card. Castrillón last year).

NC

Steven said...

Because of the Causa Williamson there will never be a new chance for the SSPX after this.

Anonymous said...

One thing about Williamson's views which needs reiteration is the fact that the interview hardly reviews anything new.

Many here think that, if only he'd kept his mouth shut in November, we wouldn't be in this pickle. I'm not so sure. I saw the interview and he was clearly ensnared. It was a trap. But what if it had failed? Would the liberals have just gone away? Not on your life!

Had the interview failed to ensnare W., the liberals would have simply assembled a montage of his past controversial statements. They were well known and it's not hard to find them on the Internet. Remember, liberals work for the devil, even if some don't realise it.

An immediate conclusion is that this is Bsp. Fellay's fault for not marginalising W.in the first place. But it's not as simple as that. Bsp. Fellay has been trying to keep the Society united and W. was a hero to a large hardline faction. Of course, some here will say that the whole lot of them should have been expelled long ago: better to have fewer members than to include extremists who can only cause trouble.

But can't the recent popes be accused of the same thing? They could have thrown out Hans Goon and the other heretics; they could have expelled the liberal extremists, but this would have divided the Church.

If we consider that the end here is to save souls, we can find some common ground between the Society and Rome: both have kept unsavoury people because they are trying to lead all men to the Light of Christ.

So this business is never simple, or easy. The problem is that, to the secular press, a leftist wacko is perfectly acceptable, whereas a rightist wacko is not.

P.K.T.P.

Curiosus said...

The good bishop's editor says he has not 'retired', but does not specify from what. Perhaps he simply means he has not retired as a bishop; which would allow the report that he is no longer seminary rector to remain true.

By the way, does anyone else find that both the blog name 'dionoscopus' and the picture of a creature half dinosaur, half bishop williamson, is rather unbecoming of a Catholic bishop, and reinforces the impression that he is a rather eccentric man, if not actually a bit mad?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you can help me understand what it meant for these four Bishops to have been "excommunicated"

I thought that meant those SSPX Bishops could not participate in the sacraments of the Church.

So wouldn't that make the eucharist presented at an SSPX mass "invalid" ?

Wouldn't that make the masses they've said at Lourdes (and maybe the Vatican) violations of canon law ?

Is there any comprehensive source of the meaning and detailed application of excommunication accessible to the public ? The Catechism description is too minimal.

Other than simply stating that the SSPX excommunications were invalid, is there any statement by the Church or the SSPX on what the constraints of the excommunications on the SSPX might have been been if the excommunications were considered valid by all parties ?

Thank you in advance...

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you can help me understand what it meant for these four Bishops to have been "excommunicated"

I thought that meant those SSPX Bishops could not participate in the sacraments of the Church.

So wouldn't that make the eucharist presented at an SSPX mass "invalid" ?

Wouldn't that make the masses they've said at Lourdes (and maybe the Vatican) violations of canon law ?

Is there any comprehensive source of the meaning and detailed application of excommunication accessible to the public ? The Catechism description is too minimal.

Other than simply stating that the SSPX excommunications were invalid, is there any statement by the Church or the SSPX on what the constraints of the excommunications on the SSPX might have been been if the excommunications were considered valid by all parties ?

Thank you in advance...

Paul Haley said...

It is instructive to me that the SSPX bishops respond so well to the Holy Father's initiatives and accept without question his authority as the Vicar of Christ. What does that say about all the naysaying bishops and blogging Catholics who would have nothing but the spiritual guillotine for those same bishops? It boggles the mind.

Patience is a virtue not easily attained but the thought that Our Lady is in charge of our petitions should be enough to calm the troubled waters. Holy Virgin, Mother of God, intercede for us.

Francesco said...

P.K.T.P. and others,

You don't have to go on Google/Blogger to give your name or handle. Just click on "Name/URL" and you can just put your name or whatever you want to sign your post as (the URL part is optional). It's as easy as putting your name at the bottom of your post. It's what I do, and trust me, if I in my technological weakness can do it, you can too.

***

God is working in truly miraculous ways through this papacy. When Cardinal Ratzinger was elected, all the media outlets were saying that he would be a sort of caretaker of the papal throne for a short period of time until a young cardinal would be elected as pope and the next REAL papacy would then begin. Instead, so much has happened in these few years since he has been pope and the Church's enemies in the media can't believe how quickly their schemes are being overturned! God bless the pope and grant him many more years! May the SSPX be reconciled soon and may Bishop Fellay be rewarded with a red hat for his courage in defence of Tradition!

Dan Hunter said...

I am sure that at least a state of temporary jurisdiction will be reached very soon so as to allow the FSSPX faculties to hear confessions and witness marriages.

The reason is that there are hundreds of thousands of Catholics going to confession to FSSPX priests that do not have faculties to hear those confessions.

There are many couples getting married by priests who do not have faculties to witness to their unions.

I cannot imagine that, considering the lifted excommunications, the Holy See would not immediately desire to care of the souls of all of these thousands of Catholics in giving the Society at the very least temporary faculties.

Dan Hunter said...

I cannot imagine that the Holy See would not grant at least a state of temporary jurisdiction for the FSSPX to have the faculties to hear confessions and witness marriages,very soon.

As I write this there are thousands of our Catholic brethren going to confession to priests that do not have faculties to hear them.

The Holy See has to be sympathetic to these poor souls.

Anonymous said...

I would not be surprised if Benedict XVI welcomes the SSPX back under terms whereby they just give a general, passive acceptance of Vatican II...not the ringing affermation so many other Bishops demand.

Also, don't be surprised if many questions of Vatican II are discussed by Vatican and SSPX leaders....exactly NOT what many bishops would want to see.

Anonymous said...

Not to put a damper on things about the SSPX, but what about the sedevacantist anti-Vatican II groups such as the SSPV (Society of St. Pius V), and the much larger "Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen", which has parishes in the USA, Canada, England and Ireland, about 30 priests and 140 nuns in 3 Orders.

And what about the "Fraternitie Notre Dame", which is also another anti-Novus Ordo group which celebrated the TLM, and has close to 300 nuns in an active congregation, about 60 nuns in a cloistered Order, and about 40 priests and 1 bishop.

Also, there is a group in Mexico which is about 1/4 the number of the SSPX, but which still has its own bishops, priests, monks, nuns, friars, monasteries, cloisters, convents, schools, a hospital, and even has established villages in various parts of Mexico, where EVERYONE is traditional Catholic and the Faith really flourishes.
They acknowledge the Pope, but despise Vatican II and the Novus Ordo.

All these groups should be approached too....except the ones who declare the Pope "anti-pope" etc. Whcih I know is not the group in Mexico.

Jay said...

"By the way, does anyone else find that both the blog name 'dionoscopus' and the picture of a creature half dinosaur, half bishop williamson, is rather unbecoming of a Catholic bishop, and reinforces the impression that he is a rather eccentric man, if not actually a bit mad?"

Dear Curious, Bp Williamson is an ENGLISHMAN - that is why he might be a bit eccentric. No offence intended, dear Englishmen! And btw
is it OK to call a bishop "a bit mad"?

TradDadSTL said...

Wait .. what about the doctrinal discussions?? This is all moving too quickly. It almost sounds like the Vatican is saying, "Now or never. In most people's minds you are back fully in the church already. We don't want to invite a second round of, 'There they go again, making nice with a Denier' further down the road. The damage of the +W affair has already been done. In the words of Rahm Emmanuel, 'Let's not let the crisis go to waste.'"

Anonymous said...

On Dan Hunter's comments:

I hope that you're right. By the way, an apostolic administration IS a temporary or provisional jurisdiction by definition. Hence the one in the Campos will presumably be graduated into a diocese one day.

I think that Rome will push for an apostolic administration, although not likely one able to be dissolved by either party, merely one which the Pope himself can suppress (the usual situation). I think that Benedict XVI wants to settle this matter once and for all. Let's all pray hard for this. the forces of evil will do anything to stop it.

P.K.T.P.

Anonymous said...

Please everyone should sign the Second International Declaration
in Support of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. His Holiness needs to know that we are all supporting him. The devil does not want the SSPX to succeed. Tradition must be brought back into the Church in order to restore all things in Christ. You can find Second International Declaration
in Support of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI on the Remnants website. May Our Blessed Mother be victorious!
Thank You,
Countrylily

Anonymous said...

On TradDad's comments:

According to the recent leak (before all the other business came up), Rome has made a concession which would have circumvented the need to resolve matters of doctrine. You see, that demand to resolve doctrine of the S.S.P.X had been made as a condition of agreeing to Vatican II doctrines, whether in the light of Tradition or living tradition or dead tradition or whatever. Rome ended the problem, apparently, by offering simply to leave Vatican II out. If faithful don't have to accept V. II doctrines (since they are not a dogma of the Faith), why should every religious society or order? After all, how many of such orders are required to agree to the doctrines even of dogmatic councils specifically? No, by agreeing the the Pope's Sacred Magisterium, all necessay teaching is covered. It was a bold move on the part of Benedict XVI (if true). It would have speeded up and resolved everything and saved the day and it still might. Discussion on doctrine could drag on for decades. This Pope doesn't have that kind of time and I think that we are all getting sick of this. We now have people who have waited their entire lives for a resolution of this mess.

P.K.T.P.

John McFarland said...

Jay,

The Dinoscopus is the creation of Brother Marcel, SSPX, a talented artist in any number of media, a gifted caricaturist, and a close associate of Bishop Williamson during his days as rector at Winona.

It is a conflation of dinosaur (often used, as you know, as a term for a reactionary) and episcopus. I'm told that Brother Marcel has generated dozens of Dinoscopi.

Interestingly enough, Brother Marcel's family name is Poverello, and one of his brothers is a traditional Capuchin. I can't remember if it's he or his brother whose secular name is Francis Poverello.

No doubt some will view this as more evidence that His Excellency glories in his contrarianism. Be that as it may, the Dinoscopus is evidence of affection, not disrespect.

ex-seminarian said...

Bishop Williamson, while fiercely fighting for the truth, keeps things in perspective.

He taught the seminarians that the SSPX isn't infallible (i.e., if she ceased to carry and defend the Truth she would be cast off to wither) and he also had a sense of humor -- even about himself.

He was an amazing professor. I thoroughly cherish the time I spent at the Winona seminary.

dolorosa said...

It seems to me the Vatican still wants the SSPX to recognize VII which is NOT a good thing as far as the errors of VII (false ecumenism, interfaith meetings, Assisi (false religions,etc.):

2. Tradition, doctrine, and the Second Vatican Council.

For a future recognition of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X, the full recognition of the Second Vatican Council and of the Magisterium of Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II, and of the same Benedict XVI is an indispensable condition.

http://www.cfnews.org/cfn.htm

Joe B said...

I don't think the formal reconciliation is as important as many of you do. Nice, but it will only affirm the truth. The church is supplying jurisdiction, ye of little faith, because we are right.

It means little because we have such a long way to go. Has it occurred to you that until the Novus Ordo virtually goes away, the church cannot regain her health? The NO is a reflection of the mind of the modernist, and as long as it is bombarded upon the faithful, the proper nourishment for a Catholic mind just isn't present, and modernism trumps integralism.

And I just love being called an integralist. It means we take the body of truth as whole and exclusionary - integral. Beautiful. Thank you.

Paul Haley said...

This is in answer to Confiteor because the original thread went away and I notice he or she has posted in this thread.

OK. First of all, I am not an apologist for Bishop Williamson and I’m in no way affiliated with the SSPX. He said he thought the figure of 200,000 to 300,000 Jews was more realistic than 6 million and he said this concerning his review of the situation 20 years ago. He also said that he didn’t believe the gas chambers were used to exterminate Jews. Do I agree with him? No. He also is reported to have said the following”

Bishop Richard Williamson of the ultra-conservative Society of St. Pius X told Germany's Der Spiegel magazine that based on research he did in the 1980s, he became convinced of his views about the Holocaust, which historians say resulted in the deaths of six million Jews.

Williamson is quoted by Der Spiegel as saying he would re-examine "everything again and look at the evidence." However, he said he won't be visiting the site of the Auschwitz concentration camp.

"Since I see that there are many honest and intelligent people who think differently, I must look again at the historical evidence," the British bishop was quoted as saying.

"It is about historical evidence, not about emotions," he added, according to the report. "And if I find this evidence, I will correct myself. But that will take time.

Now, on the basis of these reports am I ready to throw Bishop Williamson under the bus? No, I’m not. Am I ready to take away his Episcopal faculties? Even if I were capable, I would not do such a thing?

I think Bishop Williamson should have kept quiet on this subject and I, in no way agree with his interpretation of history. Having said that, it does not matter to me whether 300,000 Jews were killed or 6 million, because a holocaust is a holocaust even at the lower end of the scale. Does it matter to me whether the victims were exterminated in the gas chambers or had their heads lopped off at the guillotine? No, it does not. Murder of innocents is murder of innocents any way you look at it. Even, by the way, the murder of 50 million innocents in the wombs of their mothers.

And, so, I ask you, Confiteor, to let this matter rest for I am in no way wanting to give this matter more attention than it deserves. Like you, I say: "We must trust the Holy Father. Above all, let us continue to trust Our Lord Jesus Christ and Our Blessed Mother."

Anonymous said...

I've always thought Bp Williamson seemed charming and charismatic. But I've never personally known him.

Is his latest stubbornly reckless behavior which has so hurt the SSPX and the Church over the past 10 days a recent abberation or has it just dramatically escalated from a prior minimal but always detectable quirk in his behavior ?

Perhaps an intervention by those closest to him might help him to accelerate his return to a leader that can end this destructive segregation and marginalization of so many faithful ?

Anonymous said...

Dear P.K.T.P.

This is to aknowledge that your posts are always a great help to me. I don't know why but I am one of those SSPX followers that are going through great, great confusion at this time.
I don't know what to do, and I don't know why but I don't feel the same excitment as everybody else here (maybe I am one of those ugly wackos...)
But when I read your posts some light comes to my mind, somehow.
So, just to say thank you, very much. God bless!
From Ontario,

E.S.

Pascendi said...

http://secretummeummihi.blogspot.com/2009/02/williamsongate_3019.html

can this be confirmed?

TradDadSTL said...

Re: Dinoscopus caricature.

I think the truth levened with a SMALL AMOUNT of humor, even self-deprecating humor, is most welcome ... a sign of Godly humility. Yes, liberals looking for even more to hate will shriek when they see it.

P.S. Thanks PKTP ... as always.

TradDadSTL said...

Re: Dinoscopus caricature.

I think the truth levened with a SMALL AMOUNT of humor, even self-deprecating humor, is most welcome ... a sign of Godly humility. Yes, liberals looking for even more to hate will shriek when they see it.

P.S. Thanks PKTP ... as always.

John McFarland said...

TradDadSTL,

On the subject of the Dinoscopus, I think you've confused PKTP with me. My name is John McFarland, Jack to my friends and creditors, and I'm the guy who keeps telling PKTP that he's deluding himself in thinking that a quick and dirty deal between the Vatican and the SSPX is in the offing, and that it would be a disaster if, God forbid, such a deal were to be struck, because this is about the Faith, and only secondarily about the Mass, and Rome is still under modernist occupation.

But while I'm here, let me ask a question: what if Bishop Williamson finishes his re-examination, and reports in that his conclusion is that the developments of the last twenty years have confirmed him in his original beliefs?

Anthony said...

I'd like to add my voice to the others here expressing appreciation for Mr Perkins and his insights.

In truth, half the reason I come to Rorate is to read Mr Perkins' comments. In fact I usually skim the comboxes or just run a search for "P.K.T.P."

Mr Perkins, I always find your comments extremely clear, balanced, well-reasoned, well-presented and often very witty. The same can't be said for others on here, sadly, hence the skimming.

I've always wondered why you don't write your own blog. I'm sure I'm not the only one round here who'd love to read one written by you.

Too many blogs consist of the tiresome spewings of know-nothings who think they know it all. What's more, most of them can't even express themselves any better than a mediocre high schooler.

Anonymous said...

John McFarland, NC et alii...

Bro. Marcel's baptismal name is Stephen.
Bishop Williamson set across table several times, I may say, that he is his own man and makes up his mind that does not get changed by pressures or by lack of evidence.

NC, has anyone proved him wrong in this heated issue? But see how things move on: Look at the attention the noise makers give to the Bishop and unwittingly to the SSPX, negative it may be on the surface. The SSPX is back in the news.

I am amazed how scanty historical perspectives are seen at this site.

NC would do a great service offering views and statements of the Archbishop and present the incredible evidence of inhumanity presented to the Archbishop by the Vatican liberals of the 70's and 80's.

What I see coming is the transparency of the disorientation in the Vatican, revealing the evidence of the validity of the charge already pointed by Bishop Fellay in the very posting here, few taking notice, namely the departure from authentic tradition.

Father McManus, who works for the Catholic-Jewish dialogue, said this week on EWTN's "The World Over" that the Pope for the fist time in history altered her liturgical services (although that of the Old Rite) demanded by forces outside her fold. (Where was he when the New Mass was the stunning precedent, a result of outside pleasure or pressure.)

Who recognizes that we have already become hostage to the media manipulators?

Keep the Ligth on the lamp stand, dont let others (from outside the Church!) push your hand to govern.

As John McFarland predicted, this pope will not canonize the Holy Father Pius XII, for he fears poor earthlings and not Whom he ought!

What more must happen for our New Catholics to wake up, not to mention the Pharisees, NC addressed the other day?

Start reading recent past history.

Jay said...

John MacFarland said:
No doubt some will view this as more evidence that His Excellency glories in his contrarianism. Be that as it may, the Dinoscopus is evidence of affection, not disrespect.

Hi John, I have found the caricature on Dinoscopus quite charming actually and was wondering who has got this kind of artistic talent to draw such close resemblance to Bp Williamson. Thanks for your explanation. God bless!

Anonymous said...

To answer Anthony:

I do have a blog with one article in it. Actually, I'm afraid of technology and this has set me back. These fears were reinforced recently by a certain nasty incident. Then there's the scanner my brother gave me for Christmas and I'm afraid to use it (except for photocopying). I believe that it also copies things from the Internet, although I'm not sure how.

Anyway, I do have an article under a blog called Gregorian Mass. It's linked to Rorate Cæli. It was set up for me by a kind gent who is connected here. I do have paper notes on how to get in there and add articles, although I worry that others might get in there and post views under my name. I still cuddle my old Olivetti typewriter with all the extra special letter keys I ordered for it in about 1980. But I admit that I haven't used it in years now. We must go forward, I suppose.

P.K.T.P.

Jay said...

"I do have paper notes on how to get in there and add articles, although I worry that others might get in there and post views under my name. I still cuddle my old Olivetti typewriter with all the extra special letter keys I ordered for it in about 1980. But I admit that I haven't used it in years now. We must go forward, I suppose."

Dear P.K.T.P
It cannot be that bad if you still write comments for Rorate Caeli's posts? Some practice and motivation is all you need, therefore, set up the day you will do it, take your notes, sit down and write your own post on the blog, no matter what the outcome. Just start it and we all will be visiting your blog and leaving comments!!

Apologeta said...

This is a great piece, the bitterness and dishonesty is glaring.

http://www.petition-vaticanum2.org/pageID_7327623.html