Rorate Caeli

Interview

The interview granted by the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity  of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, to French magazines Famille Chrétienne and France Catholique was made available today on the web (in French: Part 1 - Part 2). 

Among the answers:

What is the form and the timetable of the debates you will have with Rome?

Mgr Fellay: That will certainly kick off readily... I believe that we will present our questions, because it belongs to us to present the problem! But, as for the rest, I cannot go further, I cannot say anything. Because I do not know anything!

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Do you expect anything from French Catholics?

Mgr Fellay : I expect a lot from them! That they may grow in the love of the good God, and in His service. The communion of saints makes that every good deed made within the Church profit to others. If anyone sanctifies oneself within the Church, he raised the entire Mystical Body. I expect that all of us live this communion of saints in a better way, and everything else will follow it. The universal vocation to sanctity is precisely one of the important things that the Council recalls.

51 comments:

New Catholic said...

It was not possible to provide a translation of the entire interview this evening.

Thank you for your understanding,

NC

bedwere said...

Thank you for the best coverage of this and other important events.

Anonymous said...

And now he cites the Council! Sigh...

Me said...

Thank you New Catholic! We appreciate even this that you have posted and look forward to reading more! :)

beng said...

The communion of saints makes that every good deed made within the Church profit to others. If anyone sanctifies oneself within the Church, he raised the entire Mystical Body.

Hey, that's my line! :) (but he said it wayyyy better). More people should know and share this truth (a dogmatic one)!!

Anonymous said...

I think many traditionalists like to view the better, more positive aspects of ''Lumen Gentium'', such as the ''universal call to holiness'', which is part of the spirituality of Opus Dei.

Anonymous said...

Thank's for everything New Catholic. Your efforts are appreciated and help inform many.

Even New Catholics need sleep.

God Bless your work.

Dan Hunter said...

I would like to have asked His Excellency when the Holy See will provide at least temporary jurisdiction for the Society, that their Mass's become licit and that they get faculties to hear confessions and witness marriages.

And how would this ruling be handed down.

Peter said...

What about the interview with cardinal Hoyos from http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/02/turning-tide-castrillon-speaks-we-aree.html ? Is there a translation available?

Brian said...

"The universal vocation to sanctity is precisely one of the important things that the Council recalls."

What could be wrong with citing Vatican II where is agrees with ancient Tradition of the Church?

This excerpt from the interview sets a beautiful tone for the "debates" with Rome.

I share the sentiments of many in thanking you, New Catholic, for consistently making these developments available to us.

Guadalupe Guard said...

Dear Dan Hunter,

Because in practice (in word or warning) the Vatican is not enforcing the law that would require the granting of faculties from local ordinaries for SSPX priests it would seem that the law is in abeyance.

So too, since a state of emergency surely still exists overall on diocesan levels jurisdiction is supplied for those who act in accord with informed Catholic conscience.

Paul Haley said...

What is the form and the timetable of the debates you will have with Rome?

Mgr Fellay: That will certainly kick off readily... I believe that we will present our questions, because it belongs to us to present the problem! But, as for the rest, I cannot go further, I cannot say anything. Because I do not know anything!

It would appear that the format for these discussions would be questions posed and answers provided, all with the mutual respect and admiration of the parties involved. Hopefully, issues not involved in doctrine and dogma, will be left outside the framework of the discussions. May they begin soon!

Thanks NC for all the good work that you do.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully this balanced man affects those who follow him. The Council is not intrinsically vicious. Lefebvre never though so, and so his followers should be tolerant of the Council as well - the letter, not the spirit.

Comments like "and now he cites the Council" are unhelpful. Of course he cites the Council! If one wants to handle the situation properly one has to quote it, lest he speak nonsense.

Nathan Collins said...

It seems graces are being poured on Bishop Fellay abundantly. Although only a small part of this interview has been translated, he seems to be saying the right things and it is wonderful to see the that the whole tenor of the SSPX has radically changed in the last few months. The future looks very promising.

Jay said...

'Universal call to holiness' - very much needed. I am sick of reading post comments with people calling others idiots, mad etc. Charity is certainly the first and most needed virtue to practice.

Dan Hunter said...

Guadalupe Gaurd,

Unfortunately what you say is unofficial speculation.

I wish with all my heart that I could go to confession to an FSSPX priest, since there are no shenanigans in the confessional with them.

However, the only "official", statement we have from the Holy See,specifically from the PCED is as follows:

"Concretely, this means that the Masses offered by the priests of the Society of St. Pius X are valid, but illicit, i.e., contrary to Canon Law. The Sacraments of Penance and Matrimony, however, require that the priest enjoys the faculties of the diocese or has proper delegation. Since that is not the case with these priests, these sacraments are invalid. It remains true, however, that, if the faithful are genuinely ignorant that the priests of the Society of St. Pius X do not have proper faculty to absolve, the Church supplies these faculties so that the sacrament is valid (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 144)"

Until the PCED states otherwise, I am afraid that we must abide by this ruling which I trust reflects the mind of the Holy Father as well as being codified in current canon law.

I pray that a jurisdiction is set up very soon for the FSSPX to validly and licitly offer all of the sacraments.
God bless you.

Jordanes said...

Because in practice (in word or warning) the Vatican is not enforcing the law that would require the granting of faculties from local ordinaries for SSPX priests it would seem that the law is in abeyance.

What evidence do you have that the law is not enforced requiring priests to request and obtain faculties from the local ordinary? That law is very much enforced in my diocese, and other priests have told me that it is enforced in theirs.

Also, the law is enforced by the bishop, not by the Vatican. The fact that the local ordinary is expected to enforce a law does not mean the law is in abeyance.

Anonymous said...

The CV II in the beginning: Metz deal. This is the first problem to deal with, IMNSHO (in my not so humble opinion).

Anonymous said...

My husband and I were married by a SSPX priest and we beleive with al our hearts that it is valid, 5 kids later and all, we see the graces! I've also gone to confession with the SSPX and beleive my sins have been forgiven. God knows.

antonio said...

www.dici.org, read and don't despair.

antonio said...

sorry all, www.dici.org and also read the specials regarding the interview

antonio said...

sorry all, www.dici.org, and also the special dossier.

Dan Hunter said...

Off subject somewhat, but if Mr Peter Karl T Perkins is reading this:

You posted on another blog that you wrote to PCLD to Archbishop Cocopalmeria to ask him outright the question:

"Does attendence on Sundays and other holy days at Masses of the FSSPX fulfil the obligation to assist at Mass,which is mentioned in Canon 1247 and in Canon 1248 1,
provided those attending have no schismatic intent.
Yes or no, Excellency?"

Did you ever get an answer, and what was it?
Thank you.
You may respond privately if you like.
I believe you have my e-mail address.

antonio said...

Does any one know the meaning why in the Tridentine Mass, the missal is removed FROM THE EPISTLE SIDE AND TRANSFERRED TO THE GOSPEL SIDE?
The winner can receive a brown Scapular( or as many as he wishes).

Paul said...

Regarding SSPX confessions and marriages:

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/defense/validity.htm

Jordanes said...

Does any one know the meaning why in the Tridentine Mass, the missal is removed FROM THE EPISTLE SIDE AND TRANSFERRED TO THE GOSPEL SIDE?

It is a custom that arose from the placement of the choirs in ancient churches. In time various meanings were proposed for certain liturgical gestures during Mass that had in fact arose organically out of practical necessity. I forget which meaning was invented to explain this gesture, though.

Anonymous said...

Finally, an interview in French, a language I can read. On the other side, there's not much in it to discuss. And it looks to me like a slow boat to China. Bishop Fellay hasn't even begun the process of submitting dubia and, as we all know, answers from the C.D.F. on such matters come at the rate it takes molasses to run uphill in January.

The jurisdiction could have come sooner but not anymore. Now the Pope can't do anything to legitimate the Society. This evening, our C.B.C. (Communist Broadcasting Corporation) News here in Canada has just done a 'special' on this entire affair. Keep in mind that this is the news agency which is heard all over the Dominion, from coast to coast to coast. And it was on the six o'clock news. And Canada isn't exactly the centre of world power.

Anyway, the journalists have now bridged the gap for us: they are saying: "Some are now questioning evidence that the Society of St. Pius X, which Bishop Williamson belongs to, is itself anti-semitic". The press has begun its campaign: it will dig for anti-semitic evidence and it will find it by the truckload. In fact, it already has. The C.B.C. then proceeded to quote what it calls "anti-semitic postings from the Society's website". I had thought that Fellay had recently removed all that stuff, so they must be getting it from liberal anti-semite watchers who long ago copied it to their on-line files.

The liberals are trying to make it impossible for the Pope to regularise the Society. And the sensitive Vatican politicians are now so frightened of the Jews that they will not even refer to the Society now. That means that, in the short term, there will be

(a) no regularisation;

(b) no clarification of "Summorum Pontificum";

(c) no public declaration confirming that Society Masses fulfil the obligation.

It's finished. For now.

I think that the Pope will not dare do anything for the Society until he returns from the Holy Land in May. After a respectable interval, he might do something, possibly on the significant date of 29th June, the Feast of SS. Peter and Paul and the 21st anniversary of the 1988 consecrations. That's it.

But I don't think that the interview with Williamson caused this. Had W. not been ensnared, they would have simply dug up his old statements. They will now try to do a hatchet number on the Society, so that the Pope can never regularise them. The liberals are furious because the Pope reversed the excommunications--and they are worried. So they've enlisted their Jewish friends to help kill the Pope's initiative.

P.K.T.P.

M.A. said...

The late Mr. Guido del Rose explained to us in a series of lectures on the Tridentine Mass, that the reading from the epistle side(South)signified God speaking to the Jews. When they rejected Him, He then turned to the pagan gentiles (North)to bring them the gospel.

He said other things, too, which I cannot remember without referring to my notes.

Anonymous said...

Dan Hunter reiterrated to Guadalupe Gaurd that FSSPX confessions and marriage are invalid.

Dan, did not PKTP say that your reference from the Cardinal is NOT published in the ACTA(?) and is therefore questionable? Did you read the argument posted by Paul,where the FSSPX show the canons that support their position?

The FSSP and the IGS or ICK are quick to say that the FSSPX are separated from the visible Church and therefore the sacraments are invalid. Plus there is no emergency because the FSSP are nearby every FSSPX chapel. I think that you often post with reference to IGS ore ICK. I attend with the FSSP. I for one question this assertion of separation and invalid sacraments.

Given the read of Paul's post and the past Vatican publications saying that the FSSPX are somewhere 'irregular' plus the fact that Curia officials in recent memory have celebrated the sacraments with the FSSPX, is it not at least reasonable and therefore affording the benefit of the doubt to the FSSPX that their sacraments are valid?

Anon Anon

Confiteor said...

I'll take Nathan Collin's optimistic assessment over PKTP's dreary defeatism, thank you very much.

PKTP -- lighten up! The events of the past two weeks are the most exciting to occur in the Church in the past 20 years, inclusive of Summorum Pontificum.

Of course the enemy is going to writhe and scream like a demon at an exorcism. The Holy Father has switched on the kitchen light and the cockroaches are scattering.

Pray much for the Holy Father and Bishop Fellay.

Confiteor said...

The Holy Father extends the hand of friendship to the Jewish people, but he will not bow to Jewish pressure in the matter of regularization. Pope Benedict XVI has profound pastoral motives for regularizing the SSPX sooner rather than later. Given the possibility of hundreds of invalid marriages and countless invalid confessions, the Pope knows that Catholic souls are at stake. The disputed question of jurisdiction is no mere academic exercise for the Holy Father.

Dan Hunter said...

P.K.T.P.

I have actually heard from my uncle, who is an FSSPX priest, that his superior told him that the Holy See will give the Society jurisdiction within two weeks.
Father told me this several days ago.

So I believe that we have hope that things will start to settle very soon and the FSSPX will be able to licitly offer the sacraments.
Deo Gratias!

Jordanes said...

The late Mr. Guido del Rose explained to us in a series of lectures on the Tridentine Mass, that the reading from the epistle side (South) signified God speaking to the Jews. When they rejected Him, He then turned to the pagan gentiles (North) to bring them the gospel.

Ah yes, I'd heard that before too. It's a manufactured explanation, of course, and is incongruent with the liturgical action -- both the Epistle and the Gospel are preaching for both Gentiles and Jews. As I understand it, in origin the shift from epistle side to gospel side arose from where the choirs were located in ancient churches. The interpretive symbolism was invented later.

Paul Haley said...

It has been suggested that the Holy Father would not act to remove the SSPX suspensions until after his trip to the Holy Land in May or, perhaps in June on the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul.

Why wait until May or June? Would not this feast day on February 22, the Chair of St. Peter, be the perfect opportunity to rescind the restrictions imposed on the SSPX bishops and priests, especially with the salvation of souls at stake? How about it, Your Holiness?

I know of an incidence where a lady requested prayers for her 81 yr old grandfather who was in danger of death and had not been practicing his Faith but had turned to other sects more or less in despair. The lady pleaded with him to receive the last rites of the Church but he refused. So, the lady requested prayers from her friends on this particular online forum. At the same time the lady solicited the assistance of an SSPX priest who, to make a long story short, visited the man in the hospital and convinced him to receive the last rites. So, not only did he receive them from this priest but 3 other persons, seeing what had taken place, requested and received the same last rites from that priest.

Your Holiness, I beg you, if you read or hear of this story, please rescind the suspensions levied against the SSPX bishops and priests without any further delay for the salvation of souls is at stake. Submitted with all due respect for the Office which you hold as Supreme Pastor and Vicar of Christ.

antonio said...

A detailed explenation on the 'liturgy of the Gospel' is on the Catholic Encyclopedia(www.new advent.org)and is quite in line with Jordanes but with some differences.What M.A. says ,I have found on two missals(1934 Abbot Cabrol &1936 Fr.Lasance) in which it is mentioned the withdrawal of the convenant from the jewish people.

Paul Haley said...

Re: my previous post. Allow me to correct the age of the grandfather as he was in his 70s not 81. Don't know where I got he 81.

Dan Hunter said...

"the salvation of souls is at stake."

Paul Haley,

You have hit the nail on the head.
You are absolutely correct in making the above statement.

Souls hang in the balance now.
The longer the Holy See puts off granting the FSSPX canonical status, the more souls are in peril of eternal damnation.

This is not dramatics, but rather reality.

Please, Holy Father, Please prostrate on the floor at your feet, please regularise the FSSPX.

Anonymous said...

Dan Hunter: Do you really think they'll lose their souls?

AZ

antonio said...

PLease Jordanes and M.A. give address to send the scapulars if you wish.

Anonymous said...

I certainly hope that the optimists on this blog are correct, and I agree that the Feast of the Chair of St. Peter would be appropriate.

Another possibility is that the long-awaited clarification of S.P. could be published, and it could include a statement about the status of Society Masses. It's been on the Pope's bureau for over a year now. Rumours that Cardinal Bertone discovered the original at the bottom of a bowl of spaghetti are false.

P.K.T.P.

Jordanes said...

Antonio, you may contact me at:

a r d g o w a n @ j u n o . c o m

(Just remove the spaces in the email address, which are to avoid spambots)

Dan Hunter said...

Anon,

Yes, I believe that many people rationalize that confessions and marriages in the FSSPX are valid, and therfore are in great danger.

Anonymous said...

Dan Hunter: I hope Our Lord is more merciful than you!

AZ

Dan Hunter said...

"Dan Hunter: I hope Our Lord is more merciful than you!"

It has nothing to do with me.

It has everything to do with Our Lords Justice.

It seems that the potential for subjective grave sin is very real especially and in reference to those who attempt to recieve and those who give absolution who have the knowledge that theey are invalid sacraments, and attempt to justify and rationalize it, somehow. The Holy See needs to gives faculties to the FSSPX, it would seem as soon as right now.

I say this because I have great mercy!
No condemnation,
No judgement.

God bless.

Paul said...

For those still with doubts, or purely for interest, 3 links to more information regarding validity & licitness of SSPX:

www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/defense/mdsspx.htm

www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/defense/sspxap.htm

www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/defense/cstudy.htm

Anonymous said...

No judgment?

No condemnation?

Right.

AZ

Paul Haley said...

With regard to faculties for the SSPX we must remember that Bishop Murphy of the Rockville Center Diocese says catholics may not attend the SSPX masses because the priests are suspended while Mons. Perl of the Ecclesia Dei Commission has said catholics may fulfill their Sunday mass obligation by doing just that.

Now, this confusion placed in the mind of catholics cannot be justified. On top of that, an SSPX priest just led a catholic in danger of death from the despair of following false religions and did the same for 3 critically ill patients in the same hospital. Is that not ironic? Is that not an injustice? Is that not a situation that must be changed and changed immediately?

Almighty God is watching and methinks He is not pleased with the current state of confusion regarding the validity of sacraments confected by SSPX priests. Those responsible for this state of confusion, an immediate remedy for which is in the hands of the Holy Father, will have some serious questions to answer come Judgment Day.

Dan Hunter said...

"No judgment?

No condemnation?

Right."


AZ

Thank you for understanding.
God bless.

Joe B said...

It would be a grave injustice indeed if souls were in the balance because they fought for Catholic tradition. Ridiculous. Stop panicking.

Canon law contains sufficient language to prevent injustices from costing souls. You just have to look for them instead of looking past them. And in the absence of just restrictions, charity for souls dictates that the church supplies jurisdiction.

Everything that is being thrown at SSPX is unjust because it is nothing more than a war against Catholic tradition, and we all know it. The failure of even the papally approved FSSP to be welcomed into the broad mainstream of Catholicism is proof enough of that. Numerically, they hardly exist in America, much less worldwide. This war is evil, and canon law doesn't defend it.

"For any just cause whatsoever."

Stanislaw Wojtiech, Stanislawów, Ukraine said...

I do not see how quoting from the ambiguous and detrimental so-called Second Vatican Council (dubbed the Robbers' Synod by several leading authors and orthodox Roman Catholic Jesuits in the immediate post-conciliar years), is helpful is giving confidence to the orthodox Roman Catholic resistance members of the Society of St. Pius X.

Of course the universal call to personal sanctification is great and good, but the same so-called council contains the error, that Christ already "united Himself" with all men by His incarnation irrevocarably - as if Holy Baptism and Faith are not necessary.

I see signs among His Excellency Bp. Fellay of the like of Bishop Fernando Areas Rifan of Campos, Brazil.

I love both men, but not compromise. Certainly not theological or seeming compromise.

I keep agreeing more and more with Mons. Tissier de Mallerais: "One day, the Church should erase this Council, ignore it."

Personal sanctification, the Priesthood, Communism, Racism, Capitalism, Usury, Social Justice, Modern Communication, Sacramental Discipline were all treated until 1958 by more than five Holy Roman Pontiffs.

The time after 1958 was a time of "reformulation", i.e. introducing new and false teachings along the same systematic lines.

"Sacrosanctum Concilium" as the Hegelian antithesis to "Mediator Dei" (1947). The latter contains more poetry, more authoritative status, and more clarity than SC, which is allegedly a constitution of an (alleged) ecumenical Council of the universal Catholic Church.

It makes you wonder.

Official jurisdiction would be great for the SSPX for the apostolate among the erring Conciliar faithful and among those scared off by the former (fraudulent) excommunication decree and schism allegations.

Yet, doctrinal compromise cannot be. Or else all Resistance was in vain.

Fortunately, dici.org affirms: "The matter remains one of doctrine."

M.A. said...

Antonio,

Thank you for the offer of scapulars. I really appreciate it. However, I myself buy them from a Carmelite monastery to give away.

But if you want to contact me, my email: doctorviciAThotmail.com

God bless.