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Traditional Confirmations in Rome and Boston

1) Orbis Catholicus Secundus has photos of the Rite of Confirmation and the Solemn Pontifical Mass celebrated yesterday (Trinity Sunday) by Bishop Athanasius Schneider in the parish of Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini in Rome.


2) Photographs of the Sacrament of Confirmation administered on June 4, 2011 by Cardinal O'Malley, Archbishop of Boston can now be viewed here. Gloria TV also has the following video of the ceremony:

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Cardinal's Latin pronunciation is, in my estimation, quite fine.

Auricularis said...

Did I read that correctly?! Cardinal O' Malley doing traditional confirmations?!

Anonymous said...

How wonderful.
This is pure hypocracy if you ask me.

The Archdiocese of Boston was about to allow the Catholic Parish of St. Cecilia have a gay mass.

Rorate sometimes you disappoint me.

Just because priests and bishops are celebrating the Traditional Mass doesn't mean they really support it.

Many times I think they do it for show.

Conversion is from the heart.

New Catholic said...

So, then: should we just hide it?...

Irenaeus of New York said...

Hypocrisy?!?

He personally stopped the gay pride mass.

He is giving an olive branch to the traditional community, by personally participating. Showing he has no animus toward it.

Enough with your poisonous words!

Try being thankful when good things happen. Try encouraging people to continue what is good. All you offer is vinegar.

Anonymous said...

New Catholic said...
So, then: should we just hide it?...


Yes!

Additionally, this ceremony was a nightmare as far as the rubrics of the Roman Rite go. You would have thought that a bit more effort would have been put into doing things correctly in light of the fact that this event will be held up to scrutiny and bandied about as "a return to tradition." Shameful charade.

Notice the diversity of dress, casual to immodest to quite acceptable as Catholic standards for morality are concerned. But I see this a a mirror reflection of the Modern Church today. Everything goes! No standards! No absolutes!

Forgive me if I sound too critical, but if you are going to do something (even for show, as this ceremony was) do it well or not at all. Learned that in the fourth grade (Catholic school).

New Catholic said...

OK, then...

themassmatters said...

I agree: if you are going to pretend to "do" something traditional, at least "do" it correctly. This was simply terrible as regards making a good attempt at adhering to the rubrics. I would think even an Anglican High Churchmen would do it better.
Latin itself is not so difficult, and yet, I'll give the Cardinal a plus for his pronunciation.
It is very sad to see, more and more that "traditionalists" and "right wingers" are giving up the FAITH for these sham window dressing opportunities that the New Church is desperately trying to pull off to win back those who are known to be the most generous as regards supporting the Church.

$$$ to pay the bills of the sinking new church is what these events are all about.

Who could really deny that with a straight face?

Anonymous said...

I don't quite understand the anonymous above.
OK, granted, it may have been a clumsy ceremony or not up to the standards of a well trained traditional group of, let's say, the SSPX or FSSP u others.
But, what? So, we would say is better a balloon mass?? No way!
We understand well, not because a priest celebrates a traditional liturgy equals to traditional mentality/doctrine/rubrics etc etc. But let's give some credit to those at least trying...
M.M.

Helen said...

To the anonymous critic: You are really out of place to make such harsh comments. The Latin Mass community at Mary Immaculate of Lourdes has suffered and sacrificed so much for the promotion of the TLM and all the sacraments in the Traditional Rite. In your judgment they should not rejoice over this event? But we must always be grateful for any measures we receive from the hierarchy in this endeavor. We had to come up so far from the bottom and we're still 'movin on up'. I know the pastor personally and some of the intense obstacles and persecution he has overcome in order to bring back Tradition to this church. He has risked everything without compromise and still doesn't know when it will be taken away. In his words quoting St Bernardette, "I am our Lady's broom. She will put me away when she is done sweeping."
You are right about the modest dress code, but remember that this church is not a Latin Mass parish. The attendance at the TLM has increased so much over the past few years that the TLM now has greater attendance than the Novus Ordo Masses and has thus been moved to "prime time" on Sunday. I suggest you rethink your judgments about the COnfirmations regardless of what you think of the Cardinal O'Malley.
You disappoint me.
Helen Tourigny
P.S. remaining anonymous is hypocracy and cowardly.

Anonymous said...

The overbearing and unjust negativity of many of the comments on this blog are undermining the very purpose of the blog. I don't see any element of thanksgiving or Christian charity for a sacrament offered in the Traditional rite. If these comment boxes were someone's first exposure to traditional Catholicism, they would be repulsed by it. I would ask the moderators to use more discernment when deciding which comments they allow to be posted.

Anonymous said...

Send Bishop Schnedier to my diocese any time! He would have his work cut out for him.

Delphina

Another Anonymous said...

I grew up in NYC and attended St. Patrick's Cathedral and St. Ignatius Church on Park Ave. Style was important in both those churches. I've live here in a beach suburb of Boston for over thirty years. What you see is what you get.If someone wants to dress up, they do.If they don't, neither they nor anyone else cares. You're lucky if they show up. Don't critize their wardrobe regardless which form of the liturgy they attend. This is olde tight-fisted and cheap Yankee territory.

Hope Springs Eternal said...

Sometimes it is simply a matter of replacing bad habits with good ones to help the graces flow. This was a breath of fresh air compared to the Confirmation in my diocese a few years back . . . and the music was very fitting for the occasion!

Anonymous said...

Ok O'Malley is no fan of the Traditional Latin Mass and the ceremony was a bit clumsy, but don't forget folks he and most of his clergy have never done this before. And I agree, maybe this will open his heart and learn to love the Mass we all love. I say give the man credit he did not have to do this, he is Novus Ordo all the way but once again it could lead him to the True Mass, so please pray for the good Cardinal and maybe just maybe with our prayers he will return to the True Mass, I will pray for you Cardinal O'Malley. P.S. his Latin pronounciation was nice and stern well done!!!

New Catholic said...

Thank you for your words. I do not remember deleting any comments in this thread, some other moderator probably did it. God bless you!

Anonymous said...

New Catholic if that is the case and you didn't take my comments then I apologize to you and myself ask you to take my harsh comment directed to you.

I get angry when I think is just, but I am able in all humility to recognized my unjust treatment to others.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME.

Anonymous said...

Another Anonymous said...
I grew up in NYC and attended St. Patrick's Cathedral and St. Ignatius Church on Park Ave. Style was important in both those churches. I've live here in a beach suburb of Boston for over thirty years. What you see is what you get.If someone wants to dress up, they do.If they don't, neither they nor anyone else cares. You're lucky if they show up. Don't critize their wardrobe regardless which form of the liturgy they attend. This is olde tight-fisted and cheap Yankee territory...

Great, just great. Being cheap has nothing to do with dressing modestly (men and women) in God's house (or any place for that matter)!

Stop making up silly excuses for these types!

Anonymous said...

To injure the good name and reputation of the young people here who were participating in the Sacrament, even though written anonymously on the internet is a serious sin against justice and charity. To allow this is also wrong (moderators?) These kids or godparents on this amateur video are real people. These are kids. Receiving the SACRAMENT of Confirmation. Please delete the injurious comments in the name of Christian charity and justice.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 22 June, 2011 01:50:

What are you talking about?

Jordanes551 said...

He's referring to the anonymous self-righteous rant posted at 20 June, 2011 16:31.

Lady Catcliffe said...

I thank God that His Eminence, Cardinal O'Malley, ordained these young people in the Extraordinary Form. Any roughness in the ceremony can be attributed to the the unstructured setting - the open sanctuary of the Cathedral of the Holy Cross with no altar rail and no functional high altar - and the inexperience of almost everyone present - including His Eminence - with the rite of Confirmation in the Extraordinary Form. In our efforts to rebuild the sacramental life of the Church through promotion of the Extraordinary Form, some sacramental celebrations will be less than perfect because we have had to recover the tradition after four decades of rupture, trying to figure out for ourselves how it used to be done, rather than having it handed on to us.

As for dress, the shortcomings are glaring on video. In fairness to all involved, clothes are purchased in today's department stores, and, among the few skirts available, almost all are above the knee - even at the more traditional retailers. While the standard of dress among "Traditionalists" is appalling compared to that of six or seven decades ago (and those were appalling to the sisters of Saint Therese, raised in the 1870's and 1800's when they had to flee their convent due to bombardment in World War II), it is, again, above the even more vulgar standard of the street outside the Cathedral, where tank tops and shorts predominate. I think that Confirmation robes should be required of confirmands of both sexes at the next Confirmation.

Helen, you mentioned Mary Immaculate of Lourdes Parish in Newton. The Confirmation did not take place there. Although Mary Immaculate's EF Mass attendance is probably the largest of any single EF Mass, three other regular EF Mass sites have sprung up since Summorum Pontificum: the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, St. Adelaide in Peabody, and Sacred Heart in Middleboro. It shows the strength of the EF Mass movement in the Archdiocese to have such a significant ceremony without the direct involvement of the largest single EF Mass site. (Some individuals who attend Mary Immaculate were involved in the ceremony in various capacities.)

Cardinal O'Malley's conferral of the sacrament of Confirmation in the EF shows progress, then, that sets a solid foundation for the continued growth of the liturgical renewal through the EF. As Father Z says, "brick by brick."

Lady Catcliffe said...

Woops, corrections to my comments immediately preceding this one.

Change from: ". . . His Eminence, Cardinal O'Malley, ordained these young people . . ."
Change to: ". . . His Eminence, Cardinal O'Malley, confirmed these young people . . . "

Change from: ". . . the sisters of Saint Therese, raised in the 1870's and 1800's when they had to flee their convent due to bombardment in World War II . . ."
Change to: ". . . the sisters of Saint Therese, raised in the 1870's and 1880's, when they saw 1940's dress when they had to flee the Liseux Carmel due to bombardment in World War II . . . "

To adapt Father Z, "Proofread before posting."

Anonymous said...

To readers of this blog;

PLEASE consider the source of the nasty criticisms.

The term "newchurch" pretty much pegs the author as a SSPX or SPV member who does NOT want reconciliation. I don't think anything would have satisfied them.

Also, take mentions of Rubrics with a grain of salt. Rubrics are what the PRIEST does, and Cardinal O'Malley may have been slow in places and perfectly comfortable in others, but was extremely careful in his Administration of the Sacrament. This is called reverence and respect for the Rite, and much appreciated. The reader's comments exclusively center around the fashion sense of small children. This is not covered under the term "Rubric", unless you mistakenly thought a 14 year old girl in a white dress can be a Priest. Not in MY Catholic Church.