To all our readers who regularly go to the TLM: is the "Second Confiteor" done in the TLM that you attend?
No comment that is critical of either the inclusion or non-inclusion of this Confiteor will be approved for posting.
[Update: WDTPRS has also posted its own poll to complement this post.]
180 comments:
I split my time between 3 mass locations (all unfortunately 2+ hours away). 2 locations do the second confiteor, 1 does not.
Yes.
There is a second Confiteor at the FSSP Mass in my city, but I don't believe there is one at the Benedictine monastery in the next state.
Yes, it is said where I regularly attend.
No.
Yes
There is no second Confiteor in the TLM I regularly attend on Sundays.
Yes!
No
Could you please not only say: "yes" or "no", but provide some information what priest or society reads the Mass (sspx, fssp, ...) or where it is.
My experince is that in the sspx-chaples it is said, in fssp chaples in some places not, in some perhaps (I can´t remember exactly); at the Masses of Prof. Georg May (em. for eccl. law in Mainz/Germany) it is said, in many other diocesan old-Masses in germany it is not said.
Only at Solemn Masses.
Yes, in all Masses that I attend the second confiteor (third, if you count the confiteor of the celebrant) is prayed.
From the Netherlands, attending FSSPX and FSSP chapels.
Yes. Diocesan TLM.
Sacramento FSSP: Yes
Atlanta FSSP: No
Charlotte Diocese: No
Note: Father Berg, the Superior General of the FSSP, used to be the Pastor at the FSSP Parish in Sacramento.
SSPX: Australia 2 confiteors
In Sweden, yes. In all places but one.
One chapel yes, one chapel no, both different priests, both SSPX in Argentina.
Curiously, the priest that uses the 2nd confiteor right before communion, has been using the 1958 missal in some occasions.
M.M.
yes, done at FSSP parish in Atlanta Diocese.
Dear Paul, as Pascal said, "No comment that is critical of either the inclusion or non-inclusion of this Confiteor will be approved for posting". You are welcome to repost it.
Yes in Syracuse, NY... SSPX
My son and I serve at a SSPX chapel. It is always included
sspx yes
Diocesan no
Yes - Toledo, Ohio; diocesan parish
Yes. FSSP.
San Antonio (Diocesan)-Yes.
I assume the SSPX chapel here does as well.
We at Blessed Sacrament in the Diocese of Birmingham, Al say the Second Confiteor.
Two locations here, one Institute and one a diocesan priest. Yes for both.
Diocesan, Austin Texas. No.
The mass I attend every Sunday is a low mass except for once a month and there is never a second Confiteor.
There are three other masses I used to attend before the one we currently attend. One of them does pray the second Confiteor. At one mass, it depends on the priest since there is no specific one assigned to that mass and only if it is a high mass. I think the other mass does for the Solemn High masses, but I cannot recall since I have not been there for a while.
In Argentina, yes. One Motu Proprio Mass, the other SSPX.
FSSP Harrisburg: Yes
The 2nd Confiteor is done by our chaplain, and any other FSSP priest who might substitute for him. It's also done by the Capuchin priest who periodically substitutes.
In my experience, the FSSP also uses the 2nd Confiteor in Scranton as well.
SSPX (Fátima, Portugal) - Always.
Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (Fátima, Portugal)- Normally, yes.
Our Lady of Mou.t Carmel NYC.Yes always.Pallotine Church,Retired priest celebrant
Institute, YES
Yes.
At one Mass location it is not said at Low Mass, only Missa Cantata and High [diocesan]
At another it is said always [SSPX]
On rare occasion the chance to go to FSSP Mass, it is always said.
No - none of the diocesan TLMs I have attended here in the Arlington diocese have included it.
Where I went in Spain it was common.
In Poland it is not!
Servants of the Holy Family (www.servi.org)- Yes!
LtCol Paul E. Haley, USAF(Ret)
Rome, St. Peter's, May 15: Yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EvzSPDS83c&feature=player_embedded
Yes; I am a diocesan priest (Brooklyn) and I celebrate the Mass.
By the way -- you mean the THIRD confiteor, don't you :)
Fr Wilson
Yes, the "second" (third) Confiteor is used at our traditional Mass, which is offered by a diocesan priest at the bishop's request. (Though it's not in the 1961 edition of the St. Pius X hand missal that I use.)
In most places, except one, in NYC where we have the traditional Mass, the Confiteor before the distribution fo Holy Communion is said. Most Priests do not mind it and the congregation always expects it.
There are some Priests who do not care for it, but since most people want it, they have had to get over their dislike for it.
At the Church of the Holy Innocents, where we have the traditional Mass daily, the Confiteor before Holy Communion is always said at all Masses (except maybe when we have a specific Priest who does not know the response to it and is not used to doing it at all, but this is unusual).
The only place I can think of that does not have it in NYC is the Church of Our Saviour's. The reason given is that it is not part of the 1962 Missal. However, I believe that people (congregation) there would not mind if it were done.
At one Mass it is said, at another it is not.
Yes in Guadalajara and Mexico City FSSP apostolates and I believe that also in Monterrey diocesan.
yep, and at high masses it's chanted by the (ICKR) priest. (Chicago, IL)
Yes, and chanted at solemn high masses by the ICKR priest. (Chicago, IL)
Yes, at the diocesan EF at St. John the Baptist in Front Royal, Virginia.
Yes - FSSP, Omaha
Yes - Diocesan, Omaha
Institute apostolate in Cashton,WI. YES!
Our FSSP priest in Edinburgh, Scotland always likes it said.
In Santiago, Chile:
FSSPX: Yes (1)
Diocesan: No (1)
Monthy TLM at Old St. Patrick, Ann Arbor (Diocesan) - no
(there has never been any analysis or controversy on this point, though - the pastor has recently learned / mostly taught himself the TLM from the 1962 books, which don't provide for it, and he probably doesn't know that it is done in some places).
Lansing Bp. Earl Boyea tends to celebrate the TLM about three times a year - I have never observed the second confiteor at any of those Masses.
Shrine of Christ the King, Chicago (ICRSP) - yes; I assisted the daily Mass on Monday, July 4th, and the second confiteor was utilized.
No: Houston, TX USA diocesan (former indult) weekdays and Sunday, regardless of celebrant
@ Credo in Unum Deum
Yes, the SSPX chapel in San Antonio does use the second confiteor
Some other TLM locations in Tex:
Dallas, TX (FSSP): Yes
Buffalo, TX (Diocesan): Yes
Brenham, TX (Diocesan): No
J. Luke
No. St. Louis, MO. English Benedictines.
Norway:
- SSPX: Always 2nd Confiteor
-Diocese: Never 2nd Confiteor
Diocese of Brownsville--Fathers of the Oratory of St. Philip Neri--Pharr, Tx--Yes, always included.
At our FSSP, yes.
Missa cantata at St Agnes in St Paul, MN (diocesan): No
ICK/Oakland: Yes
Local FSSP: YES
Local SSPX: YES
Toronto, Saint Vincent de Paul
no 2nd confiteor
Yes for SSPX chapel, no for two diocesan churches. All Philadelphia-area.
Vancouver FSSP - No
Edmonton FSSP - Yes
Ontario: Fr. Gavigan (Diocesan/Retired) - Yes
At St. John Cantius parish in Chicago the Mass is offered by the priests of the S.J.C. and the second Confiteor is always said. Our pastor (who is a member of the Congregation of the Resurrection) first started saying the TLM for us over twenty years ago at which time the archbishop gave him responsibility for the care of the rubrics. I seem to remember that there was some discussion about using the second Confiteor at the onset and that the decision was based on the observation that many parishes in the Archdiocese never abandoned the custom at the time the 1962 Missal was promulgated.
As info on my 'Yes' above at 11:07 - I attend the FSSP parish in Amsterdam, the Netherlands (same parish as Anonymous of 11:42).
There are two locations where I can attend Mass: both use the second Confiteor.
Jakarta/SSPX: Always
Jakarta/MSC: Yes
Bandung/OSC: Yes
Jogyakarta/SJ: Yes
In England, the practice varies. Omision of the second confiteor is perhaps more common. The reason for this is often that priests fear being reported for not complying with 1962 rubrics.
Yes.
At the SSPX chapel in Saint Mary's, Kansas (and all SSPX chapels to which I've been) and Saint Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona, Minnesota there are two (three, including the priest's) Confiteors.
Yes at the F.S.S.P. parish of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in Littleton, CO.
YES. SSPX, FBV, Candeias, Bahia, Brazil
Yes-Diocesan, but was influenced bt FSSP who left our South Texas area.
I go between four different Mass locations, one jointly served by the FSSP and a local priest from a religious order (yes), another served entirely by FSSP (yes), one diocesan (yes), and one at the University of Notre Dame served by the Congregation of Holy Cross (no).
Yes.
- Where: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
- If 2nd (3rd if counting the priest's)Confiteor is said: Yes, but the last Confiteor is usually said in local language (Portuguese).
- When: Sunday Masses.
- Who celebrates: Priests of the Personal Apostolic Adm S. John M. Vianney, of Campos, Brazil.
Yes the Fssp does it in Sacramento!
Brazil
Jacarei :yes
Sao Paulo Sao Bento Monastery: yes
Both masses by Campos priests
Luiz
Yes, it is in all the three TLMs here in Curitiba/Brazil.
Yes
New York City (Manhattan)
at Soldiers and Sailors Club
on Lexington Avenue about 35th or
36th Street.
European fssp parish: Always
American diocesan parish: Never
Yes! FSSP - Lincoln
Yes, FSSP.
Victoria, B.C., Canada: No, but it has never been an issue one way or the other. I could probably convince the priest to have it introduced. I get the feeling that most people in the congregation don't care one way or the other.
P.K.T.P.
Yes, both do the "second confiteor". One is a diocesan priest, the other is a Mercedarian priest, both in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia.
Absolutely! Semper et ubique.
Fr. Capreolus
Yes. Mater Dei Latin Mass Parish (FSSP), Irving TX.
In Jacksonville, FL: No at both diocesan locations. Yes at the Friends of the SSPX chapel.
I attend an FSSP chapel in northern N.J. and we have the Second Confiteor there.
Yes, at both parishes I attend, in Chico CA, and Sacramento CA.
Yes the second Confiteor is said at every low Mass in Pequannock NJ (FSSP)
Yes. Always.
In fact, if a circumstance occurs where someone receives communion after mass the second Confiteor and Domine non sum dignus are said before communion is given.
In fact, I have not yet attended a traditional Mass that did not have the third Confiteor at Holy Communion - so far SSPX, FSSP, ICS...and independent.
When I used to go to the FSSP Mass, there was no second Confiteor.
Delphina
Interesting. The following picture is emerging from these answers:
SSPX -- Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor
ICR - Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor
SJC - Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor
Campos -- Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor (at least sometimes in Portuguese)
FSSP -- Most do the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor, sometimes none
Diocesan -- Majority do, significant minority don't, including some major centers and especially in England (and Poland?)
Brownsville Oratorians - Yes
Toronto Oratorians - No
St. Louis Benedictines -- No
yes in Basel, Switzerland
Church St. Joseph (ICRSS)
Parish of the Lord of Divine Mercy, Diocese of Cubao, Philippines: No 2nd Confiteor since 2007.
Spanish Place and Westminster Cathedral (both organized by LMS): NO
London Oratory: Yes
SSPX Chicago: YES
Diocesan Palm Springs, CA: NO
No. In fact the readings in Latin are omitted and done in English only. Ugh!
Yes at FSSP in Post Falls, ID.
Yes at SSPX in Post Falls, ID.
Vallejo, California - Yes. (Sacramento diocese, St. Vincent Ferrer parish)
Yes, it is regularly said at our local SSPX chapel in Oklahoma City.
St. Joseph's in Richmond Va. has been served for twenty years by a holy, humble, joyful Benedictine priest, who did not offer the confiteor before Communion.
The FSSP will begin serving the parish this Sunday. I am praying that with the FSSP, we will pray the confiteor and receive absolution before Communion.
It depends who the celebrant is at the Mass I attend - we have a "rota" of 2 or 3 priests. If it's a priest from the Institute of Christ the King, there is the 2nd Confiteor, otherwise no 2nd Confiteor.
yes--former indult Mass St. Petersburg, FL
yes--diocesan Mass San Antonio, FL
yes--SSPX Masses Sanford, FL
Yes, Always! Local Diocesan Parish. Pastor celebrates most Sundays. Mass at 9AM.
Yes, at all Institute parishes in Wisconsin and Illinois (and I presume everywhere else too).
ICRSS in Rockford, IL - Yes. I've been to the Limerick apostolate as well, yes there, too. As i understand it, all ICRSS locations say it.
Society of Jesus Christ the Priest does not do it. They are strictly following '62.
In the Cleveland Diocese, at the Low Mass at one Church, no; at the High Mass at another Church, yes. And the same priest celebrates both Masses.
Jeannette
Yes,SSPX Mass
Yes
Sometimes it is done; sometimes it is not--same priest at two different locations.
Yes (SSPX, Houston, Texas)
At the FSSP Mass in Ocala, Florida- yes. The diocesan Mass in Saint Petersburg, Florida- no. I see this contradicts what was said a few comments above me, but at least in the past couple years there is no confiteor said by the servers in the Mass of the Faithful.
Buffalo, New York:
SSPX Chapel - Yes
Three Diocesan Parishes - No
yes ICKSP
Diocesan priest =no
Lexington, Kentucky (FSSP): Yes.
FSSP Australia no
At a diocesan parish in NC, the priest said one week "If there are any objections, theological, liturgical, canonical or otherwise, to doing the second confiteor before communion, let me know in the next few weeks. Otherwise, we'll do it starting on[insert feast day here - I can't recall]." He was a little nervous, but from what I hear he still says it.
Whenever my group sponsors a mass, we do it. That's about once a month. We consider it out local custom. Not only is the 2nd confiteor part of a separate "mass" or liturgical rite within the mass, the Mass of the Faithful, as opposed to the Mass of the Catachumens, it is a safeguard afforded those who arrive late and are unable to participate in the first confiteor. All in all, it's hard to justify its exclusion, especially when it is tolerated as the nebulous "local custom"!
Yes they do.
Yes,FSSP,Mableton, Ga. USA
Like Anonymous 13:09 (July 6), I usually hear Mass at OLMC in upper Manhattan, where the answer is yes. The custom at other NYC area masses is as follows:
OLMC (Bronx, NY): yes
St. Margaret of Cortona (Bronx, NY): yes
Sacred Heart of Jesus (Port Chester, NY): no
Immaculate Conception (Sleepy Hollow, NY): yes
yes - FSSP Coeur d'Alene, ID
Yes, it is said at the diocesan Mass in Baltimore as well as at the FSSP church in Harrisburg and the SSPX chapel in Philadelphia.
The FSSP in Chesapeake, VA- Yes.
The SSPX in nearby Virginia Beach, VA- Yes.
yes
Recife, Brazil:
There is one Mass, celebrated by a diocesan priest, and the second confiteor is always said.
I attend the TLM in the Diocese of New Ulm, Minnesota. The Second Confiteor is used all the time.
Yes always said at all TLM's celebrated in Limerick, Ireland by
Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.
Concurs with Jon towards the top. FSSP in Harrisburg as well as visiting priests will do the 2nd confiteor. Only once was it skipped and I believe it was when Bishop McFadden was in attendance. Sadly, the Capuchin priest will be leaving for Wheeling. He was our back up when Father was away and he helped with solemn high masses.
Diocesan TLM (Holy Innocents in NY, NY): Yes
YES! - FSSP -Ss. Philomena & Cecilia -
Regular priest always says the second confiteor, substitute does not.
Chris said...
Sacramento FSSP: Yes
Atlanta FSSP: No
Charlotte Diocese: No
This is incorrect. The FSSP parish in Atlanta has the second confiteor.
SSPX Pittsburgh, PA - Yes
Diocesan Pittsburgh, PA - Yes
ICRSS or FSSP Aliquippa, PA - Yes
FSSP Vienna, OH - Yes
At SSPX yes and at FSSP no,in Sydney,Australia.
Yes Australia FSSP
Diocese of Baguio, Philippines: yes
FSSP in Quebec City: no for the weekday Masses, yes for the Sunday Masses.
No: Mater Ecclesiae in Berlin, NJ and St. Peter's in Merchantville, NJd
no
Yes
correction:
uk, oratorians, no
It is used at the SSPX chapel that I attend.
It is also used at the FSSP chapel that I attend.
It was (and still is) used at the Institute church I attended before I moved.
It was not used at the diocesan church I attended when I lived in the Arlington diocese.
It was used at the diocesan Church I attended in DC before Summorum Pontificum.
It was sometimes used at the diocesan church I attended in Baltimore.
Yes
We use to in Saint-Eugene, Paris, France, but now, just for solemn mass.
(by the way, we should speak of the third Confiteor... ;-)
Yes there is second confiteor where I attend Mass.
Thanks be to God!
Yes, there is a second confiteor where I attend Mass.
FSSP.
Thanks be to God, I love the confiteor prayer.
No, we don't say the second Confiteor in Croatia. We have only one diocesan priest who always serves a Low mass (for the time being).
In Zagreb (Croatia) we have Summorum Pontificum TLM and no, we do not have second Confiteor. Unfortunately :(
Thank you Pascal hor this heartwarming thread. Unless the second Confiteor is the one said by the servers, I would (tentatively) say no in San Juan Buenaventura Mission (indult, Los Angeles Archdiocese). We follow the Una Voce booklet missal. Our priests are Dominican (chaplain at St Thomas Aquinas College or Diocesan (until the time comes they are ostracized to remote parishes by the various bishops).
But do not cry for us, traditional Brothers. Ours is a vibrant community with a spectacular Church over 200 years old with a 400-year old Philippine life-size crucifix. We have a
choir that will melt your heart (to download free recordings go to Una Voce Ventura website). Mass is every-Sunday at 1:30 pm. The Catholic Faith burns bright in California, and from what we see in your energizing postings all over the world as well.
Thank you Rorate Caeli for letting us remnants compare
notes. Our persistence will hopefully save the Catholic Church, and perhaps us as well.
At the SSPX chapel in El Paso, TX the 2nd Confiteor (or rather 3rd, if one is to count the Priest's) is always used.
Yes. An FSSP apostolate in South Bend, IN.
SSPX - Girard, OH
Yes
In EF Masses in Toronto at ST Mary Immaculate Parish (which as of this week have now ceased because the priest has moved to a new parish as of July 1) yes, the second confiteor is said.
Queens NY Middle Village - St. John's Cemetery -- Father Wilson does say it
Hempstead Long Island NY - St Ladislaus RCC -- priest does NOT say it
I have attended both SSPX and FSSP masses. The SSPX does say the second confiteor but thr FSSP does not.
Yes always at Our Lady of the Rosary at Blackfen, London, UK - Diocesan
It is not done at my parish. The priest is a diocesan priest who offers the EF on First Saturdays. (Archdiocese of Omaha)
At the Marian Priest chapel in Fátima (Portugal), it is always said.
Two I attend do, one does not.
Here in the Diocese of Tagbilaran we use the second Confiteor.
Saint Terese Church - Alhambra, CA - No; St. Mary's by the Sea - Huntington Beach, CA - No; SSPX, Maria Stella Mission - San Pedro,
CA - Yes
In the 3 diocesan locations I've attended in New Orleans, none use the 2nd Confiteor. Never been to the local SSPX so I'm nt sure about them.
I attend the TLM in Still River, MA (both at IHM and St. Ann's). They use the second Confiteor .
Deo gratias. Pax Domini
Anne
yes.
correction Sean:
London Oratory definitely YES,
I heard it 2 hours ago.
Diocesan Australia: the regular priest - no, some replacement priests - yes.
Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem, Charles Town, WV - Yes
Diocesan Front Royal, VA - Yes
Yes - FSSP (Seattle, WA)
YES, here in Orange County, CA there is the confiteor before communion.
Bytom Poland - diocese - yes
Gliwice Poland - the same diocese priest as in Bytom - yes
Chorzów Poland - FSSPX - yes
Dąbrowa Górnicza Poland - diocese - no
Tychy Poland - diocese - depends on priest - one old pralat - no, two young priest ordined some yars ago - yes
porys
The second Confiteor at Front Royal, Virginia, is news to me. There are no other places in the Diocese of Arlington of which I am aware that employ it. It does tend to be more common in surrounding jurisdictions. At my parish we do not use it, but I pray it privately to myself, FWIW.
YES- ICKSP-St. Louis
(Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest)
Diocese/FSSP Carmelite convent Elysburg, PA - Yes
Yes, at the Diocesan TLM here in Hamilton, ON in Canada.
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