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A question for our readers: the Second Confiteor

To all our readers who regularly go to the TLM: is the "Second Confiteor" done in the TLM that you attend?

No comment that is critical of either the inclusion or non-inclusion of this Confiteor will be approved for posting.

[Update: WDTPRS has also posted its own poll to complement this post.]

180 comments:

Hieronymus said...

I split my time between 3 mass locations (all unfortunately 2+ hours away). 2 locations do the second confiteor, 1 does not.

voxinrama said...

Yes.

fogartykck said...

There is a second Confiteor at the FSSP Mass in my city, but I don't believe there is one at the Benedictine monastery in the next state.

John said...

Yes, it is said where I regularly attend.

Anonymous said...

No.

Anonymous said...

Yes

Tim said...

There is no second Confiteor in the TLM I regularly attend on Sundays.

Lillian said...

Yes!

Anonymous said...

No

Picard said...

Could you please not only say: "yes" or "no", but provide some information what priest or society reads the Mass (sspx, fssp, ...) or where it is.

My experince is that in the sspx-chaples it is said, in fssp chaples in some places not, in some perhaps (I can´t remember exactly); at the Masses of Prof. Georg May (em. for eccl. law in Mainz/Germany) it is said, in many other diocesan old-Masses in germany it is not said.

dcs said...

Only at Solemn Masses.

Anonymous said...

Yes, in all Masses that I attend the second confiteor (third, if you count the confiteor of the celebrant) is prayed.

From the Netherlands, attending FSSPX and FSSP chapels.

rodrigo said...

Yes. Diocesan TLM.

Chris said...

Sacramento FSSP: Yes
Atlanta FSSP: No
Charlotte Diocese: No

Note: Father Berg, the Superior General of the FSSP, used to be the Pastor at the FSSP Parish in Sacramento.

PHILOTHEA said...

SSPX: Australia 2 confiteors

Eric said...

In Sweden, yes. In all places but one.

Anonymous said...

One chapel yes, one chapel no, both different priests, both SSPX in Argentina.
Curiously, the priest that uses the 2nd confiteor right before communion, has been using the 1958 missal in some occasions.
M.M.

Anonymous said...

yes, done at FSSP parish in Atlanta Diocese.

New Catholic said...

Dear Paul, as Pascal said, "No comment that is critical of either the inclusion or non-inclusion of this Confiteor will be approved for posting". You are welcome to repost it.

Anonymous said...

Yes in Syracuse, NY... SSPX

PreVat2 said...

My son and I serve at a SSPX chapel. It is always included

Anonymous said...

sspx yes
Diocesan no

Anonymous said...

Yes - Toledo, Ohio; diocesan parish

Anonymous said...

Yes. FSSP.

Credo In Unum Deum said...

San Antonio (Diocesan)-Yes.
I assume the SSPX chapel here does as well.

Comparative Politics Blog said...

We at Blessed Sacrament in the Diocese of Birmingham, Al say the Second Confiteor.

Celeste said...

Two locations here, one Institute and one a diocesan priest. Yes for both.

Anonymous said...

Diocesan, Austin Texas. No.

Mary said...

The mass I attend every Sunday is a low mass except for once a month and there is never a second Confiteor.
There are three other masses I used to attend before the one we currently attend. One of them does pray the second Confiteor. At one mass, it depends on the priest since there is no specific one assigned to that mass and only if it is a high mass. I think the other mass does for the Solemn High masses, but I cannot recall since I have not been there for a while.

Anonymous said...

In Argentina, yes. One Motu Proprio Mass, the other SSPX.

Jon said...

FSSP Harrisburg: Yes

The 2nd Confiteor is done by our chaplain, and any other FSSP priest who might substitute for him. It's also done by the Capuchin priest who periodically substitutes.

In my experience, the FSSP also uses the 2nd Confiteor in Scranton as well.

Miles said...

SSPX (Fátima, Portugal) - Always.

Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate (Fátima, Portugal)- Normally, yes.

Anonymous said...

Our Lady of Mou.t Carmel NYC.Yes always.Pallotine Church,Retired priest celebrant

M. A. said...

Institute, YES

shane said...

Yes.

Cruise the Groove. said...

At one Mass location it is not said at Low Mass, only Missa Cantata and High [diocesan]

At another it is said always [SSPX]

On rare occasion the chance to go to FSSP Mass, it is always said.

Andrew said...

No - none of the diocesan TLMs I have attended here in the Arlington diocese have included it.

ed said...

Where I went in Spain it was common.
In Poland it is not!

Anonymous said...

Servants of the Holy Family (www.servi.org)- Yes!

LtCol Paul E. Haley, USAF(Ret)

Anonymous said...

Rome, St. Peter's, May 15: Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EvzSPDS83c&feature=player_embedded

Anonymous said...

Yes; I am a diocesan priest (Brooklyn) and I celebrate the Mass.

By the way -- you mean the THIRD confiteor, don't you :)
Fr Wilson

Jordanes551 said...

Yes, the "second" (third) Confiteor is used at our traditional Mass, which is offered by a diocesan priest at the bishop's request. (Though it's not in the 1961 edition of the St. Pius X hand missal that I use.)

latinmass1983 said...

In most places, except one, in NYC where we have the traditional Mass, the Confiteor before the distribution fo Holy Communion is said. Most Priests do not mind it and the congregation always expects it.

There are some Priests who do not care for it, but since most people want it, they have had to get over their dislike for it.

At the Church of the Holy Innocents, where we have the traditional Mass daily, the Confiteor before Holy Communion is always said at all Masses (except maybe when we have a specific Priest who does not know the response to it and is not used to doing it at all, but this is unusual).

The only place I can think of that does not have it in NYC is the Church of Our Saviour's. The reason given is that it is not part of the 1962 Missal. However, I believe that people (congregation) there would not mind if it were done.

Anonymous said...

At one Mass it is said, at another it is not.

Edgar said...

Yes in Guadalajara and Mexico City FSSP apostolates and I believe that also in Monterrey diocesan.

Anonymous said...

yep, and at high masses it's chanted by the (ICKR) priest. (Chicago, IL)

Anonymous said...

Yes, and chanted at solemn high masses by the ICKR priest. (Chicago, IL)

dmw said...

Yes, at the diocesan EF at St. John the Baptist in Front Royal, Virginia.

Anonymous said...

Yes - FSSP, Omaha
Yes - Diocesan, Omaha

Stephen said...

Institute apostolate in Cashton,WI. YES!

Augustine said...

Our FSSP priest in Edinburgh, Scotland always likes it said.

Joaquín said...

In Santiago, Chile:
FSSPX: Yes (1)
Diocesan: No (1)

Paul S. said...

Monthy TLM at Old St. Patrick, Ann Arbor (Diocesan) - no
(there has never been any analysis or controversy on this point, though - the pastor has recently learned / mostly taught himself the TLM from the 1962 books, which don't provide for it, and he probably doesn't know that it is done in some places).

Lansing Bp. Earl Boyea tends to celebrate the TLM about three times a year - I have never observed the second confiteor at any of those Masses.

Shrine of Christ the King, Chicago (ICRSP) - yes; I assisted the daily Mass on Monday, July 4th, and the second confiteor was utilized.

jasoncpetty said...

No: Houston, TX USA diocesan (former indult) weekdays and Sunday, regardless of celebrant

Anonymous said...

@ Credo in Unum Deum

Yes, the SSPX chapel in San Antonio does use the second confiteor

Some other TLM locations in Tex:

Dallas, TX (FSSP): Yes
Buffalo, TX (Diocesan): Yes
Brenham, TX (Diocesan): No


J. Luke

Anonymous said...

No. St. Louis, MO. English Benedictines.

Arminus said...

Norway:
- SSPX: Always 2nd Confiteor
-Diocese: Never 2nd Confiteor

Anonymous said...

Diocese of Brownsville--Fathers of the Oratory of St. Philip Neri--Pharr, Tx--Yes, always included.

Anonymous said...

At our FSSP, yes.

Deacon Nathan Allen said...

Missa cantata at St Agnes in St Paul, MN (diocesan): No

JM said...

ICK/Oakland: Yes

Anonymous said...

Local FSSP: YES
Local SSPX: YES

Anonymous said...

Toronto, Saint Vincent de Paul

no 2nd confiteor

Anonymous said...

Yes for SSPX chapel, no for two diocesan churches. All Philadelphia-area.

Anonymous said...

Vancouver FSSP - No
Edmonton FSSP - Yes
Ontario: Fr. Gavigan (Diocesan/Retired) - Yes

Mornac said...

At St. John Cantius parish in Chicago the Mass is offered by the priests of the S.J.C. and the second Confiteor is always said. Our pastor (who is a member of the Congregation of the Resurrection) first started saying the TLM for us over twenty years ago at which time the archbishop gave him responsibility for the care of the rubrics. I seem to remember that there was some discussion about using the second Confiteor at the onset and that the decision was based on the observation that many parishes in the Archdiocese never abandoned the custom at the time the 1962 Missal was promulgated.

voxinrama said...

As info on my 'Yes' above at 11:07 - I attend the FSSP parish in Amsterdam, the Netherlands (same parish as Anonymous of 11:42).

The Gentleman said...

There are two locations where I can attend Mass: both use the second Confiteor.

Anonymous said...

Jakarta/SSPX: Always
Jakarta/MSC: Yes
Bandung/OSC: Yes
Jogyakarta/SJ: Yes

Et Expecto said...

In England, the practice varies. Omision of the second confiteor is perhaps more common. The reason for this is often that priests fear being reported for not complying with 1962 rubrics.

Anonymous said...

Yes.

Kindred Spirit said...

At the SSPX chapel in Saint Mary's, Kansas (and all SSPX chapels to which I've been) and Saint Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Winona, Minnesota there are two (three, including the priest's) Confiteors.

N. Trandem said...

Yes at the F.S.S.P. parish of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel in Littleton, CO.

JMR said...

YES. SSPX, FBV, Candeias, Bahia, Brazil

Baymedlevel said...

Yes-Diocesan, but was influenced bt FSSP who left our South Texas area.

Johnny Domer said...

I go between four different Mass locations, one jointly served by the FSSP and a local priest from a religious order (yes), another served entirely by FSSP (yes), one diocesan (yes), and one at the University of Notre Dame served by the Congregation of Holy Cross (no).

Luiz said...

Yes.

Alex said...

- Where: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
- If 2nd (3rd if counting the priest's)Confiteor is said: Yes, but the last Confiteor is usually said in local language (Portuguese).
- When: Sunday Masses.
- Who celebrates: Priests of the Personal Apostolic Adm S. John M. Vianney, of Campos, Brazil.

Anonymous said...

Yes the Fssp does it in Sacramento!

Anonymous said...

Brazil
Jacarei :yes
Sao Paulo Sao Bento Monastery: yes
Both masses by Campos priests

Luiz

Marcos said...

Yes, it is in all the three TLMs here in Curitiba/Brazil.

Anonymous said...

Yes

New York City (Manhattan)
at Soldiers and Sailors Club
on Lexington Avenue about 35th or
36th Street.

Gregorius Minor said...

European fssp parish: Always
American diocesan parish: Never

Anonymous said...

Yes! FSSP - Lincoln

poeta said...

Yes, FSSP.

Anonymous said...

Victoria, B.C., Canada: No, but it has never been an issue one way or the other. I could probably convince the priest to have it introduced. I get the feeling that most people in the congregation don't care one way or the other.

P.K.T.P.

ashley said...

Yes, both do the "second confiteor". One is a diocesan priest, the other is a Mercedarian priest, both in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia.

Capreolus said...

Absolutely! Semper et ubique.
Fr. Capreolus

Anonymous said...

Yes. Mater Dei Latin Mass Parish (FSSP), Irving TX.

Anonymous said...

In Jacksonville, FL: No at both diocesan locations. Yes at the Friends of the SSPX chapel.

Bill Phelan said...

I attend an FSSP chapel in northern N.J. and we have the Second Confiteor there.

The Maestro said...

Yes, at both parishes I attend, in Chico CA, and Sacramento CA.

Anonymous said...

Yes the second Confiteor is said at every low Mass in Pequannock NJ (FSSP)

Anonymous said...

Yes. Always.

In fact, if a circumstance occurs where someone receives communion after mass the second Confiteor and Domine non sum dignus are said before communion is given.

LeonG said...

In fact, I have not yet attended a traditional Mass that did not have the third Confiteor at Holy Communion - so far SSPX, FSSP, ICS...and independent.

Anonymous said...

When I used to go to the FSSP Mass, there was no second Confiteor.

Delphina

Anonymous said...

Interesting. The following picture is emerging from these answers:

SSPX -- Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor

ICR - Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor

SJC - Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor

Campos -- Always with the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor (at least sometimes in Portuguese)

FSSP -- Most do the 2nd / 3rd Confiteor, sometimes none

Diocesan -- Majority do, significant minority don't, including some major centers and especially in England (and Poland?)

Brownsville Oratorians - Yes

Toronto Oratorians - No

St. Louis Benedictines -- No

Centurio said...

yes in Basel, Switzerland
Church St. Joseph (ICRSS)

Philippinensis said...

Parish of the Lord of Divine Mercy, Diocese of Cubao, Philippines: No 2nd Confiteor since 2007.

Anonymous said...

Spanish Place and Westminster Cathedral (both organized by LMS): NO
London Oratory: Yes

Anonymous said...

SSPX Chicago: YES
Diocesan Palm Springs, CA: NO

Anonymous said...

No. In fact the readings in Latin are omitted and done in English only. Ugh!

Anonymous said...

Yes at FSSP in Post Falls, ID.
Yes at SSPX in Post Falls, ID.

Anonymous said...

Vallejo, California - Yes. (Sacramento diocese, St. Vincent Ferrer parish)

Brian M. McCall said...

Yes, it is regularly said at our local SSPX chapel in Oklahoma City.

Anonymous said...

St. Joseph's in Richmond Va. has been served for twenty years by a holy, humble, joyful Benedictine priest, who did not offer the confiteor before Communion.

The FSSP will begin serving the parish this Sunday. I am praying that with the FSSP, we will pray the confiteor and receive absolution before Communion.

Anonymous said...

It depends who the celebrant is at the Mass I attend - we have a "rota" of 2 or 3 priests. If it's a priest from the Institute of Christ the King, there is the 2nd Confiteor, otherwise no 2nd Confiteor.

Anonymous said...

yes--former indult Mass St. Petersburg, FL

yes--diocesan Mass San Antonio, FL

yes--SSPX Masses Sanford, FL

Anonymous said...

Yes, Always! Local Diocesan Parish. Pastor celebrates most Sundays. Mass at 9AM.

Anonymous said...

Yes, at all Institute parishes in Wisconsin and Illinois (and I presume everywhere else too).

Renee said...

ICRSS in Rockford, IL - Yes. I've been to the Limerick apostolate as well, yes there, too. As i understand it, all ICRSS locations say it.

Society of Jesus Christ the Priest does not do it. They are strictly following '62.

Anonymous said...

In the Cleveland Diocese, at the Low Mass at one Church, no; at the High Mass at another Church, yes. And the same priest celebrates both Masses.

Jeannette

Anonymous said...

Yes,SSPX Mass

akp5401 said...

Yes

Anonymous said...

Sometimes it is done; sometimes it is not--same priest at two different locations.

Anonymous said...

Yes (SSPX, Houston, Texas)

Jonathan Knox said...

At the FSSP Mass in Ocala, Florida- yes. The diocesan Mass in Saint Petersburg, Florida- no. I see this contradicts what was said a few comments above me, but at least in the past couple years there is no confiteor said by the servers in the Mass of the Faithful.

Diocese of Buffalo, NY said...

Buffalo, New York:

SSPX Chapel - Yes

Three Diocesan Parishes - No

Anonymous said...

yes ICKSP
Diocesan priest =no

Anonymous said...

Lexington, Kentucky (FSSP): Yes.

ka said...

FSSP Australia no

Bootach said...

At a diocesan parish in NC, the priest said one week "If there are any objections, theological, liturgical, canonical or otherwise, to doing the second confiteor before communion, let me know in the next few weeks. Otherwise, we'll do it starting on[insert feast day here - I can't recall]." He was a little nervous, but from what I hear he still says it.

authoressaurus said...

Whenever my group sponsors a mass, we do it. That's about once a month. We consider it out local custom. Not only is the 2nd confiteor part of a separate "mass" or liturgical rite within the mass, the Mass of the Faithful, as opposed to the Mass of the Catachumens, it is a safeguard afforded those who arrive late and are unable to participate in the first confiteor. All in all, it's hard to justify its exclusion, especially when it is tolerated as the nebulous "local custom"!

Anonymous said...

Yes they do.

Anonymous said...

Yes,FSSP,Mableton, Ga. USA

Reluctant Pessimist said...

Like Anonymous 13:09 (July 6), I usually hear Mass at OLMC in upper Manhattan, where the answer is yes. The custom at other NYC area masses is as follows:

OLMC (Bronx, NY): yes
St. Margaret of Cortona (Bronx, NY): yes
Sacred Heart of Jesus (Port Chester, NY): no
Immaculate Conception (Sleepy Hollow, NY): yes

Anonymous said...

yes - FSSP Coeur d'Alene, ID

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is said at the diocesan Mass in Baltimore as well as at the FSSP church in Harrisburg and the SSPX chapel in Philadelphia.

TenkaiStar108 said...

The FSSP in Chesapeake, VA- Yes.
The SSPX in nearby Virginia Beach, VA- Yes.

Anonymous said...

yes

Anonymous said...

Recife, Brazil:

There is one Mass, celebrated by a diocesan priest, and the second confiteor is always said.

Anonymous said...

I attend the TLM in the Diocese of New Ulm, Minnesota. The Second Confiteor is used all the time.

Anonymous said...

Yes always said at all TLM's celebrated in Limerick, Ireland by
Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.

TeaGuyTom said...

Concurs with Jon towards the top. FSSP in Harrisburg as well as visiting priests will do the 2nd confiteor. Only once was it skipped and I believe it was when Bishop McFadden was in attendance. Sadly, the Capuchin priest will be leaving for Wheeling. He was our back up when Father was away and he helped with solemn high masses.

Dev Thakur said...

Diocesan TLM (Holy Innocents in NY, NY): Yes

Anonymous said...

YES! - FSSP -Ss. Philomena & Cecilia -

Laurence said...

Regular priest always says the second confiteor, substitute does not.

Anonymous said...

Chris said...
Sacramento FSSP: Yes
Atlanta FSSP: No
Charlotte Diocese: No



This is incorrect. The FSSP parish in Atlanta has the second confiteor.

Anonymous said...

SSPX Pittsburgh, PA - Yes
Diocesan Pittsburgh, PA - Yes
ICRSS or FSSP Aliquippa, PA - Yes
FSSP Vienna, OH - Yes

michael sankey said...

At SSPX yes and at FSSP no,in Sydney,Australia.

Anonymous said...

Yes Australia FSSP

Anonymous said...

Diocese of Baguio, Philippines: yes

Anonymous said...

FSSP in Quebec City: no for the weekday Masses, yes for the Sunday Masses.

Anonymous said...

No: Mater Ecclesiae in Berlin, NJ and St. Peter's in Merchantville, NJd

sean said...

no

Hope Springs Eternal said...

Yes

sean said...

correction:

uk, oratorians, no

Andy said...

It is used at the SSPX chapel that I attend.

It is also used at the FSSP chapel that I attend.

It was (and still is) used at the Institute church I attended before I moved.

It was not used at the diocesan church I attended when I lived in the Arlington diocese.

It was used at the diocesan Church I attended in DC before Summorum Pontificum.

It was sometimes used at the diocesan church I attended in Baltimore.

Jonvilas said...

Yes

Henri Adam de Villiers said...

We use to in Saint-Eugene, Paris, France, but now, just for solemn mass.
(by the way, we should speak of the third Confiteor... ;-)

Anonymous said...

Yes there is second confiteor where I attend Mass.

Thanks be to God!

Anonymous said...

Yes, there is a second confiteor where I attend Mass.

FSSP.

Thanks be to God, I love the confiteor prayer.

Anonymous said...

No, we don't say the second Confiteor in Croatia. We have only one diocesan priest who always serves a Low mass (for the time being).

Luka said...

In Zagreb (Croatia) we have Summorum Pontificum TLM and no, we do not have second Confiteor. Unfortunately :(

Gratias said...

Thank you Pascal hor this heartwarming thread. Unless the second Confiteor is the one said by the servers, I would (tentatively) say no in San Juan Buenaventura Mission (indult, Los Angeles Archdiocese). We follow the Una Voce booklet missal. Our priests are Dominican (chaplain at St Thomas Aquinas College or Diocesan (until the time comes they are ostracized to remote parishes by the various bishops).

But do not cry for us, traditional Brothers. Ours is a vibrant community with a spectacular Church over 200 years old with a 400-year old Philippine life-size crucifix. We have a
choir that will melt your heart (to download free recordings go to Una Voce Ventura website). Mass is every-Sunday at 1:30 pm. The Catholic Faith burns bright in California, and from what we see in your energizing postings all over the world as well.

Thank you Rorate Caeli for letting us remnants compare
notes. Our persistence will hopefully save the Catholic Church, and perhaps us as well.

The Texan Traditionalist said...

At the SSPX chapel in El Paso, TX the 2nd Confiteor (or rather 3rd, if one is to count the Priest's) is always used.

David Werling said...

Yes. An FSSP apostolate in South Bend, IN.

Anonymous said...

SSPX - Girard, OH

Yes

Anonymous said...

In EF Masses in Toronto at ST Mary Immaculate Parish (which as of this week have now ceased because the priest has moved to a new parish as of July 1) yes, the second confiteor is said.

Anonymous said...

Queens NY Middle Village - St. John's Cemetery -- Father Wilson does say it
Hempstead Long Island NY - St Ladislaus RCC -- priest does NOT say it

Anonymous said...

I have attended both SSPX and FSSP masses. The SSPX does say the second confiteor but thr FSSP does not.

Anon said...

Yes always at Our Lady of the Rosary at Blackfen, London, UK - Diocesan

Anonymous said...

It is not done at my parish. The priest is a diocesan priest who offers the EF on First Saturdays. (Archdiocese of Omaha)

Mark of the Vineyard said...

At the Marian Priest chapel in Fátima (Portugal), it is always said.

Jack B. said...

Two I attend do, one does not.

Anonymous said...

Here in the Diocese of Tagbilaran we use the second Confiteor.

Anonymous said...

Saint Terese Church - Alhambra, CA - No; St. Mary's by the Sea - Huntington Beach, CA - No; SSPX, Maria Stella Mission - San Pedro,
CA - Yes

Anonymous said...

In the 3 diocesan locations I've attended in New Orleans, none use the 2nd Confiteor. Never been to the local SSPX so I'm nt sure about them.

Anne said...

I attend the TLM in Still River, MA (both at IHM and St. Ann's). They use the second Confiteor .

Deo gratias. Pax Domini

Anne

Anonymous said...

yes.

Anonymous said...

correction Sean:

London Oratory definitely YES,
I heard it 2 hours ago.

Anonymous said...

Diocesan Australia: the regular priest - no, some replacement priests - yes.

Anonymous said...

Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem, Charles Town, WV - Yes
Diocesan Front Royal, VA - Yes

Anonymous said...

Yes - FSSP (Seattle, WA)

Anonymous said...

YES, here in Orange County, CA there is the confiteor before communion.

Anonymous said...

Bytom Poland - diocese - yes
Gliwice Poland - the same diocese priest as in Bytom - yes
Chorzów Poland - FSSPX - yes
Dąbrowa Górnicza Poland - diocese - no
Tychy Poland - diocese - depends on priest - one old pralat - no, two young priest ordined some yars ago - yes

porys

David L Alexander said...

The second Confiteor at Front Royal, Virginia, is news to me. There are no other places in the Diocese of Arlington of which I am aware that employ it. It does tend to be more common in surrounding jurisdictions. At my parish we do not use it, but I pray it privately to myself, FWIW.

Anonymous said...

YES- ICKSP-St. Louis
(Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest)

Anonymous said...

Diocese/FSSP Carmelite convent Elysburg, PA - Yes

Mike said...

Yes, at the Diocesan TLM here in Hamilton, ON in Canada.