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Ah, those "Romans"!



Your see, however, which is called the Court of Rome, and which neither you nor any man can deny to be more corrupt than any Babylon or Sodom, and quite, as I believe, of a lost, desperate, and hopeless impiety, this I have verily abominated, and have felt indignant that the people of Christ should be cheated under your name and the pretext of the Church of Rome; and so I have resisted, and will resist, as long as the spirit of faith shall live in me. Not that I am striving after impossibilities, or hoping that by my labours alone, against the furious opposition of so many flatterers, any good can be done in that most disordered Babylon; but that I feel myself a debtor to my brethren, and am bound to take thought for them, that fewer of them may be ruined, or that their ruin may be less complete, by the plagues of Rome. For many years now, nothing else has overflowed from Rome into the world--as you are not ignorant--than the laying waste of goods, of bodies, and of souls, and the worst examples of all the worst things. These things are clearer than the light to all men; and the Church of Rome, formerly the most holy of all Churches, has become the most lawless den of thieves, the most shameless of all brothels, the very kingdom of sin, death, and hell; so that not even antichrist, if he were to come, could devise any addition to its wickedness. 
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For whatever the efforts of all minds can contrive against the confusion of that impious Court will be advantageous to you and to your welfare, and to many others with you. Those who do harm to her are doing your office; those who in every way abhor her are glorifying Christ; in short, those are Christians who are not Romans.
Martin Luther
De libertate christiana (1520) [I: Letter to Pope Leo X]

La Chiesa di Roma ... è il principato della fede nostra
The Church of Rome ... is the domain of our faith.
 
Saint Catherine of Siena
Lettera CCCLXII

24 comments:

Dilly said...

Oh, and by the way - there's this nun I fancy....but that's not influencing me in any way...

Gratias said...

Thus Martin Luther opened the door to the destruction of Christian civilization.

Ole Doc Farmer said...

Maybe a touch over the top??? Luther was a notorious manic-depressive...bet this lil love letter was written in Spring or Summer during his "manic" phase.

Knight of Malta said...

My bio first: I was an atheist before becoming Catholic. I think, therefore, I can say, objectively that Luther is objectively wrong in his principal points.

He speaks from heated emotionalism, like charismatic Christians do today; not reason!

Truthfully, this was an arch-heretic monk who married a nun. He had "farting matches with the devil" ; he was also quoted as saying the "Angels dance when a Jew farts." What an extremely bizarre man!

Yet this man, this heretic, started the protestant revolution....

Anonymous said...

spoken like a real protestant preacher.

Giovanni A. Cattaneo said...

"...A certain Martin Luther" will always occupy a very special spot in my heart dedicated to my hatred of him and what he brought.

Not to plug people or anything but if you realy want to get a true sense of Luther's uncanny ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth. You should read the work of apologist Dave Armstrong who does an excellent of job of presenting Luther's letters chronologically i which you plainly see how he talked to his supporters aside of how he addressed the Pope.

Malice was the name of the game Luther was playing.

Anonymous said...

Are you sure this was not a quote from Bishop Williamson?

Anonymous said...

It sure sounds a lot like him!

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

"...Yet this man, this heretic, started the protestant revolution...."

He was the tool Lucifer used.

Luther knew better, he just let his passions overcome him.

His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson is no Martin Luther.

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scotju said...

This man who was soooo pset at the 'immorality' of "brothel" Rome was the one who told gulliable believers that they could dissolve their marriages by divorce.

Anonymous said...

Luther sounds like a self righteous, bombastic, megolomaniac with delusional tendencies verging on being mentally unbalanced.

Calvin (founder of the "Presbyterian" sect, certainly was.

There are reports from scholars both during his time and up to recent times that paint a realistic (and not idealized or lionized) portrait of Luther as an overly scrupulous man which today would be described as "obcessive/compulsive" disorders. That he would, as a monk, sometimes go to Confession 5-6x daily because he thought he fogot to mention a sin, etc. certainly smacks on at least the bizarre.

His virulent, hate-filled writtings about the Jews have somehow been until recent times "covered up" both by Lutherans themselves, and Luther's defenders. Yet some of his sugggestions anout Jews, such as rounding them all up in Germany and creating work-camps for them to live apart from Christians and be subjected to menial tasks that Christians would be spared is horrifingly similar to Hitler and the Nazi programs for the persecution and then final extermination of the Jews. Indeed, it seems as if some of the Nazis actually used passages of Luther's writtings about Jews in implementing their plans in Germany.

We also can't forget than unlike the truely great Venerable Pope Pius XII, many Catholic bishops, and tens of thousands of priests and nuns who stood up for the Jews and rsiked their lives to hide and shelter them, that in large measure the Evangelical Lutheran "bishops" in Germany, the clergy, and their "nuns" actually applauded the Nazi treatment of the Jews.

Luther's writtings against the Catholic Faith, his practices, and his movement which ultimately destroyed the unity of the Holy Catholic Church is the reason why the Roman Catholic Church should not engage in any "dialog" of an ecumenical nature with Lutherans, or with any Protestant groups.

Despite their pious protests against such feelings, nearly all Protestant groups today still feel towards the Roman Catholic Church exactly what is stated in Luther's writings here. And that is why we should have no interaction or ecumenical contacts with any of these groups whatsoever.
Every time we do, the Roman Catholic Faith is made all the poorer.

Anonymous said...

What a vile man! OK, so what's one to think about the following that I came across yesterday:

"Ecumenis; joint Catholic and Protestant Documento Covering 500 years of Reform."

at:http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/world-news/detail/articolo/7529/

a snippet:

"The Catholic Church and the World Lutheran Foundation are preparing a common declaration for 2017 about reform, since that year will mark the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther’s 95 theses. Swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch, President of the Pontifical Council for Christain Unity, disclosed that information during an interview at the German Catholic agency, KNA."

Sigh! Wouldn't this be something that the faithful should make a protest against? The very idea of it is quite depressing, given what we know about this creep called Luther.

Barbara

Anonymous said...

This is what happens when men take it upon themselves to determine what God Himself has the power and authority to decree. How many good people have been led astray by the likes of Luther? Too many I fear.

PEH

Anonymous said...

"Are you sure this was not a quote from Bishop Williamson?"

The latest "Eleison Comments" to be more precise...

Anonymous said...

Yup. Sorry. But when I first read this one, I really thought it was Williamson.

Pax Domini Vobiscum said...

If there had been no reference that this were Luther's pronouncements, I would have mistaken this for Williamson's latest Eleison article.

Anonymous said...

It isn't often that I read Bishop Williamson's columns. But after having noted the references in this thread to Bishop Williamson's most recent column, I read the column in question.

Please note the following excerpt:

"Then be not surprised, dear readers, if the SSPX will be made to seem as though it is spurning Rome's noble offers and good intentions, but that will not be the case."

I guess that an "offer" from Rome to the SSPX is in the offing.

Anonymous said...

Protestantism, an unparalleled plague, is the foundation for most modern errors, delusions and revolutions. I doubt that this blasphemers of the Sacrament of the Altar and the Holy Virgin and Saints can even called "christian"

Knight of Malta said...

Well, we can thank little luther for one thing: Trent!

Anonymous said...

PEH asks, 'How many "good" people are led astray by Luther'? St Teresa of Avila answers, "No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be." God will bring all men to the Truth if on their part there is no impediment. It is for us to simply point out that Christ founded One Church and they're not in it. The extraordinary claims of the RCC should be enough to arouse the interest and curiosity of any person of good will to investigate. The protestants that I know are not willing to believe the credible claims of the RCC but are more than willing to believe the outrageous blasphemies of their sects. A Loyal Reader.

Anonymous said...

I was about to say that this sounds like certain "out there" traditionalist complaints, and then I read the comment that this post is related to a Bishop Williamson blog post. Sigh...I read the post and, sadly, it's no different than stuff he's been saying for years.

Anonymous said...

On the comparison between Luther's remarks and recent remarks by Bishop Williamson I feel obliged to say: If one truly believes that Pope Benedict XVI is the validly elected successor to St. Peter and the Vicar of Christ on earth, then it would be wise to wait until the meeting occurs before accusing the Romans of apostasy ("those errors by which they are, objectively, destroying the Church" (from Williamson's remarks)).

Is the Pope an apostate? If so, he is not the pope and no meeting with him is possible, nor with the man he has appointed to handle the relations with the Society. I think Bishop Fellay must be wondering: "Who is in charge here - am I not the head of the Society?"

PEH

Anonymous said...

It seems that no defense of Bishop Williamson, however politely worded, will be tolerated on this thread. Yet "right-thinking" commenters are permitted to use vulgar locker-room language because it is directed at one of the designated bad guys.

How small-minded of the moderators! How shameful and un-Christian!

Thomas Putnam

Anonymous said...

It seems that no defense of Bishop Williamson, however politely worded, will be tolerated on this thread. Yet "right-thinking" commenters are permitted to use vulgar locker-room languageIt seems that no defense of Bishop Williamson, however politely worded, will be tolerated on this thread. Yet "right-thinking" commenters are permitted to use vulgar locker-room language because it is directed at one of the designated bad guys.

How small-minded of the moderators! How shameful and un-Christian!

Thomas Putnam.


Thomas,

I hope you did not include me among those who got your "Irish" up. My comments concerning Bishop Williamson's remarks were about the timing and prudence of such remarks when Bishop Fellay was scheduled to meet with representatives of the Holy See in only a few weeks time.

Allow me, if you will, to draw an analogy from my military career. Let's say I got into a disagreement with the 4-star general heading the command, a disagreement founded on the morality or lack thereof of what I was being asked to do. I refused and he took away my command but those under me would not leave me; they stood fast. After some time passed another 4-star was appointed to lead the command. After reviewing my case, he decided that perhaps the move to strip me of my command was done in haste and he asked me to come in and discuss the matter with him and his "Chief of Staff". But before the meeting, one of my officers publicly criticized the leadership of the command - kind of a "hit 'em again harder" approach, something which he had a tendency to do irrespective of the consequences. What do you think I would have felt before such a meeting with the 4-star?

PEH (LtCol Paul E. Haley, USAF(Ret)