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For the record: CDF releases doctrinal assessment of Leadership Conference of Women Religious

National Board of the LCWR. Photo source.

Document 1: Doctrinal Assessment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious

Document 2: Statement of Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the Doctrinal Assessment of the LCWR

40 comments:

Mrs. T said...

How do we know these women are nuns?

C. said...

How do we know these women are nuns?

By reading the photo caption, of course. :)

sam said...

And it only took 50 years for the Church to start dealing with them ... Hopefully no one was impacted by their magisterium of nuns teachings.

In a hundred years the Church will start dealing with the Jesuits, so stay tuned...

A. M. D. G. said...

KInd of anticlimactic don't you think?!

Prof. Basto said...

According to the site of the United States Conference of Bishops (USCCB), the CDF has named Archbishop Sartain of Seattle as its Apostolic Delegate for the implementation of the "renewal". He will be assisted by Bishops Leonard Blair and Thomas John Paprocki. Bishop Blair was the Apostolic Visitor who led the visitation concluded in December.

rowan carstairs said...

hip feminists of VII now rather sad old 'Grandmas' waiting for heavens call!

MJ said...

Since most of the LCWR communities are going extinct, would it not be just as easy to wait a few decades years until the organization disappears? We already have the CMSWR, which is very orthodox, and in 20-30 years it will probably the only nuns' organization in the US.

CredoUtIntelligam said...

In its response, the Presidency of the LCWR maintained that it does not knowingly invite speakers who take a stand against a teaching of the Church “when it has been declared as authoritative teaching.” Further, the Presidency maintains that the assertions made by speakers are their own and do not imply intent on the part of the LCWR. Given the facts examined, however, this response is inadequate. The Second Vatican Council clearly
indicates that an authentic teaching of the Church calls for the religious submission of
intellect and will, and is not limited to defined dogmas or ex cathedra statements (cf. Lumen
gentium, 25).
For example, the LCWR publicly expressed in 1977 its refusal to assent to the
teaching of Inter insigniores on the reservation of priestly ordination to men. This public
refusal has never been corrected. Beyond this, the CDF understands that speakers at conferences or general assemblies do not submit their texts for prior review by the LCWR Presidency. But, as the Assessment demonstrated, the sum of those talks over the years is a
matter of serious concern.

Smooth Move said...

Who cares about this statement? Pandora's box has been open for over 40 years and the dissenters and liberals are far too emboldened.

Matthew Rose said...

This post is similar to the one concerning the newspaper of the French Episcopal Conference a few days back:

The picture says it all.

Joseph said...

'Smooth move',

People like you complain that the Vatican isn't doing something and then complain more when they actually do something. Stop whining.

Peterman said...

I think of the Grey nuns for example in Montreal who helped impoverished famine victims arriving in Montreal from Ireland. One eyewitness recorded how the nuns would find children homes. One nun even had to pry four young children off their dead father's body after arriving on a diseased famine boat. These wonderful nuns didn't ask for that work, God put them directly in the path of those poor souls who needed help.

And the nuns of today? Many seem to attend a lot of social justice committee conference conferences, animal rights, etc. Well not all of them of course, but we know many. Lord help us.

JTLiuzza said...

For these women who were consecrated forty plus years ago, one can see how in their twenties they could be swept up into the modernist tumult by virtue of their youth. But at some point, a point the ladies in the photo passed long ago, they can no longer blame youthful inexperience.

At that point, they cease being misguided, youthful victims, and become perpetrators.

I agree with Sam that this is long overdue. MJ is correct also that their inevitable extinction was sealed when they separated themselves from the vine.

And while they are certainly on their way out even if the Holy See leaves them alone, there's no excuse for allowing them to continue on the path they have chosen, for their own good and the good of the Church.

Athelstane said...

My first reaction on reading the statements earlier today was surprise - I actually expected this to be a whitewash of the LCWR order - ho hum, nothing to see here, move along.

My reaction now, however, is to wonder just what the Vatican hopes to accomplish with this new oversight. Do they really think that the LCWR will submit meekly to this? It's even odds that many will simply break away from the Church altogether.

They're past the point of salvage in any corporate sense. And a harsh judgment is necessary. How many souls have gone to hell because of these women? I shudder to even think about it.

Athelstane said...

Hello Sam,

"... Hopefully no one was impacted by their magisterium of nuns teachings."

Unfortunately, we all know that far too many were.

What a terrible burden they carry for the damage they've done - to the children, to the innocent they've led astray.

Miles Dei said...

They are not nuns. They are witchs. The CDF must realize of the diffusion of wicca among them, the worship of the Godess and more. But no word about that. Pfff.

Matt said...

"The LCWR publicly expressed in 1977, its refusal to assent to the teaching of Inter insigniores on the reservation of priestly ordination to men. This public refusal has never been corrected. Beyond this, the CDF understands that speakers at conferences or general assemblies do not submit their texts for prior review by the LCWR Presidency. But, as the Assessment demonstrated, the sum of those talks over the years is a
matter of serious concern."

Wow, and the Church has issues with the SSPX. As Brian and I are always pointing out, why does the SSPX have to sign a "preamble" but such ilk of LCWR, don't? Mind-boggling.

Matt

Lopes said...

'How do we know these women are nuns?'

They are not wearing a habit, that's how!

ytc said...

I think it is insanely funny that the document from the CDF repeatedly uses quotes from Vatican II to reprimand them.

GQ Rep said...

"MJ said...
Since most of the LCWR communities are going extinct, would it not be just as easy to wait a few decades years until the organization disappears? We already have the CMSWR, which is very orthodox, and in 20-30 years it will probably the only nuns' organization in the US."

MJ:

You are overly optomistic about how long these liberal dissident Orders of nuns will last! Try 5-10 years at most, for most of them!

Afew years ago, when I had alot of spare time, (not like now when I'm traveling every few months), I helped a priest in my Archdiocese compile a book on the disaster of Vatican II....one of the large chapters dealth with religious life.
THat was in 2005when I was researching for him, and found that 99.9% of the femminist Orders of nuns had declined by as much as 80% from what they were in 1964.
For instance, before Vatican II, there were close to 100 USA Orders of sisters which had 1,000+ members. Today, there is 1 ! The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondolet...barely at 1,225.
Before Vatican II, there were 181,000 nuns in the USA. Today, there are barely 50,000. The median age of sisters in 1962 was 34. Today, it is 76. In some communities world wide, like the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur, the average age approached 80!
So you can see, they won't last decades! Possibly 5 years as a viable community.
Most Orders of USA nuns are no longer viable communities at all. Most have such an aged commuity, that fully 75% of money and time is spent maintaining and caring for their elderly members who need specialized nursing care.
IN 1962, 97% of teaching staff in Catholic parochial schools were nuns. Today, it is less than 2% !!
Before Vatican II, it was not uncommon for the larger communities of sisters (those at or over 1,000 members, and some who had membership in the 8oo's to 900's) to attract 100+ novices and postulants per year.
Many Order back then still maintianed the European system of recieving postulants. The formation term for postulants was back then 6 months. So some Orders took in as many as 100 girls as postulants in September. They proceeded to become novices in March, and the Order recieved another 100 girls as postulants in March as well.
But by the early 1960's, most USA Orders had adopted the American system of recieving ONE group of postulants in September.
Nuns ueed to staff over 250 Catholic hospitals in the USA and another 150 nursing homes and other works of charity. Today, they still staff 5 hospitals!! That's all. And many have closed because the nuns pulled out....just like thousands of parochial schools.
These old embittered radical femminists have only about 5 years to whine for women priests and other liberal garbage.
They destroyed their own Orders after Vatican II. They deserve what they get.

BY the way, don;t fall for the sob stories of giving money to help support "our elderly sisters". These "elderly sisters" like Sister Joan Chittister,76 and teresa Kane,76 and Donna Quinn,78...are the radicals who helped start the revolution that destroyed their Orders 50 years ago. All the nuns in their 80's and 90's now, are the administrators who in their early 50's as Mother Superiors ushered in the "reforms" that wrecked their Orders.

Andrew said...

Sadly, dissenting sisters grab headlines and power structures. However, there are many excellent Novus Ordo communities of sisters who live a traditional religious life and are also (as a result) growing in vocations. Here are 3 examples...

http://nashvilledominican.org/
http://sistersoflife.org/
http://franciscansisterscfr.com/

Of course there are many, many more. If anyone is interested in discerning or know a young woman who is, they should check out the Institute for Religious Life (also has a section for men as well). The IRL is an association of solid, orthodox Novus Ordo religious communities who strive to promote vocations.

http://db.religiouslife.com/reg_life/irl.nsf/wa?OpenForm&Count=1000

Finally, we should not condemn all women religious in more liberal communities. First, many of the older sisters did wonderful work for the Church and that needs to be respected. Second, many of the women in those orders were railroaded by a small group with an agenda. I remember speaking with a very elderly sister of St. Joseph who said she weeped for her community and worked very hard to try to stop the demoltition of her community in the wake of Vatican II. She said many like minded sisters were isolated and persecuted. So, they strove to do what they could. I asked her why she didn't leave and she said two things: 1) Vows matter and she vowed to be a sister of St. Jospeh till death. 2) She hoped to save her fellow sisters by giving an orthodox witness within the congregation.

It should also be noted that she did not wear a habit because she had been forbidden to do so (she is now in her late 80's).

Yes, we must challenge those with liberal agendas without brushing them all with the same brush. There are many hidden saints in these communities. Pray for them!

A good book that discusses this and the many hidden saints in these orders is Sister Crisis by OSV Press...

http://www.amazon.com/Sisters-Crisis-Unraveling-Religious-Communities/dp/0879736550

Kwazy Kanonista said...

Too little, too late.

Some of these heretical women have been defiant from the time of their first profession. Just because Rome rolls in now in 2012 and finally acknowledges that there is a problem and calls for "renewal" does not mean that a magic wand is waved that will fix them. All we will have is the problem enduring but a lot more verbiage and documents and semantics.

If anything, the Holy See should move towards actual canonical suppression of specific religious communities. If this doesn't happen, expect a few handfuls of grey-haired bitter women who will end up controlling millions of dollars and probably end up signing it all over to Planned Parenthood and NOW.

Hugh said...

Are there any women religious left in the modern church?
They resemble laypeople. How do discern any difference?

Fred said...

"Are there any women religious left in the modern church?"

Answer: For all who are genuinely devoted to the renewal of religious life in America, please consider joining the Institute on Religious Life. The IRL just completed their annual National Meeting last weekend, and it was attended by hundreds of religious from various communities. Lay people were numerous, and over 100 homeschooled teens attended. The CMSWR is equally excellent for religious, although the IRL actively involves lay supporters.

Pre-Vatican II Catholic said...

The good thing is these Vatican II hippie, feminazi "nuns" are going the way of the dinosaurs. They are heading for extinction. Deo Gratias!

Athelstane said...

A couple facts (collected by CARA) not widely known, but worth sharing here:

Average age of LCWR sister: 79

Average age of CMSWR sister: 35

Draw your own conclusions.

Hugh said...

Well, Fred, the employ of "renewal" immediately arouses suspicion. There has been so much purported "renewal" in the church since the 1960s one has to demand of oneself if it is not decatholisation judging by all the key statistics. While traditionalist elements are most certainly being restored this can hardly be misconstrued as "renewal". There have been numerous renewals -the so-called "renewal" movement of the 1970s; Renew; Novus Ordo; decade of Christianisation (1990s hijacked by ecumenism and sexual tolerance) and so on. Not one of these has yielded renewal but only the contrary. Will the "New Evangelisation" terminate similarly? A germane question., certainly. One can state with complete certitude that it will not unless it is dedicated to restoring Sacred Tradition.

Hugh said...

Well, Fred, the employ of "renewal" immediately arouses suspicion. There has been so much purported "renewal" in the church since the 1960s one has to demand of oneself if it is not decatholisation judging by all the key statistics. While traditionalist elements are most certainly being restored this can hardly be misconstrued as "renewal". There have been numerous renewals -the so-called "renewal" movement of the 1970s; Renew; Novus Ordo; decade of Christianisation (1990s hijacked by ecumenism and sexual tolerance) and so on. Not one of these has yielded renewal but only the contrary. Will the "New Evangelisation" terminate similarly? A germane question., certainly. One can state with complete certitude that it will not unless it is dedicated to restoring Sacred Tradition.

mhtn said...

My sister is seriously considering becoming a nun. She is open to any religious orders as long as they are genuinely orthodox and in good standing with the Church. Since there is a good chance that SSPX may come into full communion with the Church and after that happens, I would encourage my sister to be the first in line for a SSPX affiliated religious congregation :)

But in the mean time, please help with a suggestion.

Many thanks!

Sixupman said...

Not a wimple in sight!

Francis said...

@Mhtn Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary http://www.saintbenedict.com/theorder/about-order.html

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate are also very good and very orthodox.

http://www.franciscansoftheimmaculate.com/

Kathleen said...

mhtn,

Not knowing your sister's inclination (contemplative, etc) this is just a shot.

Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist
http://www.sistersofmary.org

They are a teaching order.

Their spirituality is anchored in Eucharistic Adoration and Marian Devotion.

I'm not entirely clear on the mass they have access to, the implication is they have access to the Dominican Rite given they refer people to the Dominican Province of St. Joseph ( http://www.ordopraedicatorum.org/ ), who in turn indicate they use the Dominican Rite.

mhtn said...

Francis and Kathleen,

Great! Thank you very much. We'll definitely look into the mentioned religious orders.

Unknown said...

My hope and prayer is these women will repent and be converted, however too many of them are so far gone, truly believing they are prophets, as they have declared themselves for years at LCWR annual conferences. Like the Pharisees, they have created their own legal fictions like, "responsible dissent," to assuage their consciences.

In some ways I can't fully blame the sisters. They were encouraged by many bishops and priests over the last 45 years to continue down this path. And rather than disciplined or taken to task, they were elevated to important positions within diocesan offices, hospitals, universities, seminaries and so forth. I find it hard to believe the heads of the LCWR are "shocked" at this news, but perhaps they truly are, after decades of being rewarded for disobedience.

Nonetheless, it will be an interesting showdown. Who will be left standing when this is all said and done?

-Ryan J Hilliard

Adfero said...

CNN just did a piece on this. They clamped on to the "radical feminism" and said it was against the Catholic Faith.

Then, Network's Executive Director, Sister Simone Campbell, came on for an interview.

She said she was "shocked" at this report. They had no knowledge the report was coming. She said she finds the report "humorous" because they're "faithful to the Gospel."

She said the Church struggles with the "proper role of women." Women used to be deacons and heads of churches, according to sister, and some believe they should go back to that.

Adam Michael said...

The ongoing saga of the fallen sisters continues. The only thing that will result from this is that more people will see more clearly how the Catholic Church and these liberal movements have nothing in common when the LCWR breaks all ties with the Church.

The post-Vatican II destruction of religious life is tragic. I've visited several old convents and motherhouses in the U.S. Despite their rejection of the Faith, these places have preserved many great historical artifacts of their once-Catholic heritage. These places are a tangible record of the beauty of the Catholic Faith and the ravages of Modernism.

I've also met some elderly sisters in these places who still make their daily way to the Adoration chapel. One of the sisters at a Franciscan motherhouse told me that these sisters exercise a "ministry of presence," and pray for the community and for the monthly intentions of the Pope.

Please say a prayer for these "hidden saints" and that the Church will somehow retain control of their convents and that they will again be filled with the faithful!

Mary said...

The wailing and nashing of teeth of those who think "justice and peace" are the only two precepts of church is predictable.

And to answer this question:

My sister is seriously considering becoming a nun. She is open to any religious orders as long as they are genuinely orthodox and in good standing with the Church.

In addition to the orders mentioned by Francis, these sisters are lovely if she is attracted to a contemplative vocation and wants a community which worships using the 1962 books.

http://benedictinesofmary.org/

Also, this order is lovely. The noviate is in Italy, but they have American sisters. From what I understand, the hope is that they will eventually be able to have sisters here.

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/vocations/sisters/

For a list of all of the orders which are members of the CMSWR (all of the novus ordo nuns who are faithful to the church, wear a habit etc)

http://www.cmswr.org/

GQ Rep said...

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word/47111133/#47111162

Friends at Rorate Caeli:

As faithful Catholics, we all know that is investigation of nuns was a long time coming. These people destroyed their own Orders, spread error and sin, and instigated, or tried to instigate the faithful to disrespect Church teachings and beliefs and the Pope.
Now there is talk that the LCWR will not comply, will not obey the Vatican. That they will opt to disband as a Catholic organization and re-group as something else.
Hopefully this will mean that the Vatican will take the finl action and excommunicate the lot of them. And possibly disband and supress ALL of their Orders.
It's really no loss if they do....these nuns are so few and so old that they have not been a viable, active force in running Catholic schools or hospitals for years....they are mostly gone.

But just so you know how these people think....and how genuinely evil they are, I pasted a link to an You-tube MSNBC report which first deals with the flap over Bishop Jenky's excessive remarks about Obama....and then interviews "Sister" Jeannine Grammick, the nun disiplined and silenced in 1999 by the Vatican for her pro-gay activity.
Listen to this woman rationalize and try to justify both herself as the LCWR.
Then you'll realize what a terribly evil organization the Vatican is up against. It;s mind-blowing how these nuns think. They're not even Catholic anymore....at all.

They should all be excommunicated, and their Orders disbanded, or given over to young women who would like to start the Orders over again, wearing the traditional habits and rebuilding.

Cleane house, Pope Benedict!! Sweep it clean of these people. You need to!!

Luanne said...

Was the Second Vatican Council a legitimate Catholic Council?

Jordanes551 said...

Yes, it was.