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Bishop under fire for pictures

Alain Castet, Bishop of Luçon, in the Vendée, was in Germany on May 12 for an event. The images of him there have now become known: the pictures that have rocked a diocese...
A "dangerous" event: six new traditional Deacons

From daily "Ouest France":

Malaise in the Church following an ordination 

Bp. Castet was in Germany, for the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, on May 12, where he ordained six deacons. A gesture that hurts a part of the Church in Vendée, the Fraternity being perceived as Integrist.

The photos have circulated throughout the diocese. They are found very easily on an internet website. We see in them Bp. Castet ordaining six deacons. The ceremony took place on May 12, at Wigratzbad, in Germany, at the invitation of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter. Rage has been brewing in the Vendean Church since then. The Fraternity is in fact considered by some as ultra-Traditionalist.

"They are even Integrist [Fundamentalist]," said someone close to the Bishop, under anonymity.  ... "Too much, this is too much," another priest says, "it is a return to a past that the Bishop proposes to us, we turn our backs to the Vatican II Council." ...

No, they are not kidding. [Source: Le Salon Beige, whose editors add that "you may pray for him" and perhaps send him a message of support at eveque@catho85.org]

56 comments:

Et Expecto said...

Three cheers for Bishop Castet.

Tom Thunder said...

And +Fellay wants to surrender autonomy and put the SSPX under the authority of these people?

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Francis said...

God Bless Bishop Castet and the FSSP! The modernists are getting nervous, they know as we do that slowly the Church of Christ led by The Successor of St. Peter and good bishops like Bishop Castet are getting back to tradition. There's still a long way to go, but we have to crawl before we can walk.

Chris said...

It is quite sad to see how far the Vendee has fallen... home of the glorious resistance to the brutal French Revolution ... it seems that the faith has finally been bred out of the region. Dieu Le Roi... thud.

Allison said...

I agree with Francis. This is just shades of things to come if the SSPX receives official standing from the Vatican.

Belloc said...

Tom Thunder,

Once Bishop Fellay is in, nothing is going to stop him from clambering to the top of St. Peter's and shouting the Truth.

Can you imagine him standing in the well of the next Synod of Bishops? Be not afraid.

Martyrs of the Vendee, pray for us!

Knight of Malta said...

They are even Integrist

I love pseudo-intellectuals!

Say what you mean, and mean what you say! Let people understand you if you are speaking publicly!

Fine, if you want to be like Kant, and try to be confusing, say it in a book!

JMR said...

Yet, Tom Thunder, we are the ones labelled "Protestant".
I will not be part of a Church in which Communism is openly preached from the pulpits and no one takes any action.

Belloc said...

Coincidentally, if you'd like to see what sort of horrifically counter-revolutionary past our Vendeean friends fear a return to, look here:

http://orbiscatholicussecundus.blogspot.com/2012/06/corpus-domini-ad-1960.html

JabbaPapa said...

This is ridiculous -- I have attended one ordination of a deacon according to completely ordinary (Mediterranean) Novus Ordo rules and standards, and I can see nothing whatsoever in these images to shock or amaze or even (laughably) contradict the most basic standards of ordinary Catholic Ritual, traditional or otherwise.

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If nobody had informed me that the images in question related to a "traditionalist" instead of a "normal" ordination of deacons, at least in my experience of non-radical non-abusive Catholic Ritual as is present in typical Southern European dioceses, then I would frankly have assumed that the clergy in the images were perfectly ordinary Catholics, full stop.

Knight of Malta said...

But, seriously, hats-off to Bishop Castet!

You know he is going to be in some cross-hairs now.

Henry said...

"the Fraternity being perceived as Integrist"

What, precisely, does "integrist" mean in France. Traditionalist, or what fundamentalist means in the U.S., or some combination:

Knight of Malta said...

"Too much, this is too much," another priest says. Lol! I know it's a sin to slap a priest, but I'm about to pull-off my wet-glove!

As an ex-prosecutor, I'd love to interrogate him as to why it's "too much"!

"What is 'too much'"

"Why is it too much"

"What would be acceptably enough; or, too little?"

I could go on and on; these people just annoy me!

Irony said...

Tom Thunder said...
And +Fellay wants to surrender autonomy and put the SSPX under the authority of these people?

Tom -

What people are you speaking of? I see no mention of Rome or the Vatican here. I only see mention of the Vedean Church. If anything, this is a positive - not that people are upset, although someone will always be upset about something - but that a regular Bishop of the Church confirmed these men for the FSSP, inspite of the silly uproar. So, please do not make a mountain out of a mole hill. It is just a small bump and the FSSP will weather as they always do and continue to move forward.

And let's not make everything about the SSPX. Everything is not about them. This really had nothing to do with them.

However, if you must relate this to them - if anything, this is one more reason for them to be reintegrated - to make the world of Catholic tradition that much bigger and that much stronger. There is power in numbers. A few elderly, whiney, outdated trouble makers are no match for a larger (and growing) youthful, traditional group of Catholic soldiers. If the FSSP can move forward under these circumstances and continue on, so can the SSPX. There is no need to be whimpish here. Do you really have such little faith in the SSPX and their strength and committment to Tradition and the Church. If you believe they are that weak, why support them at all? If they are that weak, they'll fall on theit own and Rome will have nothing to do with it.

I, for one, do not believe they are that weak. I think they can with stand the pressure and they can do much good for the Church. I think they already have done much more good since the start of the discussions and that good will only continue. I also think that once they are reintegrated, the traditional community as a whole will be strengthened as they can begin to work together and traditionalists will no longer be such a small minority, divided into small, powerless factions. We may not be a majority, but we will be a much larger force to be reckoned with. With our growth rate, and the decreasing population on the other side, we will take over in no time.

New Catholic said...

Yes, Henry, perhaps it could be best seen as an intermediary word: it is a word with a long history, and it is almost always meant as disparaging.

Peter said...

What's all the fuss about ?

I really don't understand. The FSSP is in good standing, but doesn't have a bishop of its own, so they invite bishops to perform ordinations for them. What's wrong with that ?

The best thing for the bishop - for anyone - is to rise above criticisms from anonymous sources.

sam said...

I don't think that the Vedean Bishop was shocked by the traditional ordinations, but rather because the pictures show the diocese's faithful how a real faithful Catholic Bishop is like and how a real Catholic Church looks like.

Poor Vedean Bishop, the 60s' party is now over...

Consecrate Russia Now said...

Rather than join in the Chicken Little mentality, I will call this act by the FSSP a sign that they may YET re-form their ranks with the SSPX. I am a pessimist at heart but even I can see a boldness in many places inside The Church because of the Society's faithful fight for Tradition without compromise.

Were we not promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail? What would remain of The Church were the SSPX never to have existed would be that the Devil had indeed been victorious over the Catholic Church. Look at the rest of The Church. Pockets of tradition trying to take hold inside the is are morphed, contaminated and diluted at best.

The FSSP fights to remain Catholic but they were compromised and it shows, in their Masses and in their sermons. They look and sound Catholic and they ARE, but something is missing. Confidence maybe because they know that like Peter walking on the water, they let themselves be distracted and they are treading water. Guilt maybe for allowing it to happen. I don't know, but there is something missing and I am not the only one to notice. Maybe they too have had enough of being treated like redheaded stepchildren by the frauds in The Church and are forming rank for the fight for Faith. Good for them!

My eyes are wide open on all issues with socializing with Rome, but I will not call the Holy Ghost a LIAR by crying that the sky will fall because Bishop Fellay is doing what he IS CALLED TO DO BY HIS STATION AND OFFICE with regards to responding to the Pope. Those who do publicy do so at their own peril. Please stop it.

Anonymous said...

'I will not be part of a Church in which Communism is openly preached from the pulpits and no one takes any action.'

JMR! Listen to yourself! You ARE part of that Church. Bishop Fellay has said repeatedly that SSPX is part of that Church, too. Reconciliation was always in the picture, there was never any thought of setting up some separate church--that really is protestant thinking. There is only One Church and She is it! Warts and all! Who is the person who you want to 'take action'? The Holy Father is taking some action, and we are trying to capitalize on it, weak and slow as it is. We must struggle, too. In close combat, as Bishop Fellay said. There is a Vendee in every neighborhood and we are called upon to use our energies to educate there, not always preaching to the choir, enjoying our trad liturgies and spirituality in comfort. We cannot expect someone else to do the work, the best we can expect is leadership and guidance in the fight.

Jan

NIANTIC said...

O la la, see them huff and puff and stamp their feet in frustration. They better be careful before they break a bone. The end is near, dear old Modernists. You have been weighed and found wanting.

Salut Monsieur Castet et merci!

Marlow G said...

The horror! The horror!

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Enoch said...

Let some in the Vedean Church rage all they want. Big deal. The FSSP can handle it. Probably the bishop can, too. The FSSP are tough and resolute; they aren't about to let criticism bother them. They don't whine and complain about 'unfairness.' What they do is to preach the whole of the Catholic faith and provide the traditional Mass and sacraments. If some in the Church have a problem with this, let them complain. The FSSP understand the Cross and the Holy Eucharist, and what they really mean.

Peterman said...

The Vendee region is so blessed by God. It has been chosen to defend the faith (past AND future) and it is the place which historically has fought relentlessly for the king and Faith. That a traditional bishop comes from The Vendee region is no surprise at all. The modernists and liberals have tried to put the Vendee region under their thumb and vanquish the faith there. It won't happen.

Ivan K said...

A journalist is trying to make it seem as if an entire diocese is shocked, when in reality the quote is from some nameless individual 'close to the Bishop.' (The most likely scenario: the source was standing behind the Bishop in line at the supermarchet while texting his concern to the journalist.) If you want to play Chicken Little, be my guest, but this hardly sounds like either Bishop Castet or the FSSP are suffering severe consequences. In fact, the lameness of the response is quite encouraging. The fact is that the average Novus Ordo Catholic does not get riled up by such events. In fact, I seem to remember polls that suggest that a large percentage of Catholics in France, Germany, England--the belly of the Beast--support the idea that the TLM should be more available, perhaps even in every parish. So much for the average Catholic. The 'activists' on the other hand are more like pink meowing kittens that roaring lions. They are beneath contempt and they shouldn't get under anyone's skin.

Jean KINZLER said...

You can read her:
http://lesalonbeige.blogs.com/my_weblog/2012/06/mgr-podvin-r%C3%A9pond-%C3%A0-ouest-france-au-sujet-de-mgr-castet.html

Mgr Podvin répond à Ouest-France au sujet de Mgr Castet

Suite à l'attaque contre Mgr Castet dans la presse, Mgr Podvin, porte-parole de la Conférence des évêques de France, explique :

"Dans le contexte encore incertain et délicat des négociations entre Rome et la fraternité Saint Pie X, il est capital d’éviter les amalgames, et de respecter les points suivants :

1. Des catholiques sont demeurés en communion avec Rome lors du schisme de 1988 alors qu’ils auraient pu succomber à cette tentation. C’est notamment le cas de membres de l’actuelle Fraternité Saint Pierre. Il est donc blessant de les qualifier d’intégristes. Ils sollicitent de l’Eglise une bienveillante attention. Ils y ont droit, comme tous les autres baptisés vivant d’autres sensibilités.

2. Dans ce contexte, c’est (de la part de tous les évêques du monde) exercer un acte collégial que d’ordonner les diacres et prêtres de ces fraternités à leur demande.

3. Ce que vient d’accomplir Mgr CASTET s’inscrit donc dans une histoire. Des pasteurs comme le Cardinal Ricard l’ont fait avant lui.

4. Mgr CASTET ordonnera un prêtre diocésain pour Luçon le 24 juin prochain. C’est bien le même successeur des apôtres, et non un autre, que celui présidant récemment à Wigratzbad qui présidera cette ordination pour l’Eglise en Vendée !

5. Les Évêques de France savent que l’ecclésiologie de communion est difficile pour l’ensemble du corps ecclésial. La confiance entre ses membres est donc d’autant plus importante.

6. L’Eglise en France a reçu du Pape Benoît XVI un message chaleureux lors de son rassemblement de Lourdes célébrant les cinquante ans de Vatican II. Message qui invite à approfondir et recueillir les fruits du Concile."

New Catholic said...

Ivan, this is not serious - I am sure Castet and the FSSP are not at all worried about this. But it still reflects a ridiculous view certainly from some in the diocesan structure.

M. Kinzler, thank you for that - the CEF, as usual, makes simple things complicated unnecessarily.

Tom Thunder said...

Belloc wrote: "Once Bishop Fellay is in, nothing is going to stop him from clambering to the top of St. Peter's and shouting the Truth... Can you imagine him standing in the well of the next Synod of Bishops?..."

Yes, just like Bishop Rifan eh?

Alex said...

Consecrate Russia Now,

The Fraternity has not compromised, and nothing is lacking in their homilies or Masses.

www. Audiosancto .org

JR said...

One obvious point that the modernist media avoided commenting on. Six deacons ordained, many young seminarians,a thriving apostolate. They haven't seen this in how many decades? The dead wood will be soon stripped off the living tree.

JR

Pray for all priests. said...

Yes, I listened to the audiosancto recordings for awhile and I agree that some are fervent and powerful at times. But I also agree that they fail to tackle the tough issues. It is easy to preach well on the standard, non-provocative topics but many of us would like to have heard some guidance from the pulpit over disturbing things like the false teachings being put forth from the Vatican all these years especially more recently. They do not touch those topics. Probably because of the protocol they signed, which is in fact a compromise.

Gratias said...

No reason for French Modernists to criticize their Bishop. It was only a few weeks ago, for Pentecost, that 10,000 pilgrims walked from Paris to Chartres Cathedral. The FSSP led the way for French Traditionalists.

The religious energy in France is on the side of tradition, particularly among the young.

Cardinal Ratzinger has offered Traditional Latin Mass for FSSP priests, so why complain now?

Prof. Basto said...

Well, congratulations to the new Deacons, to the Fraternity of St. Peter and to the ordaining Bishop.

Bishop Castet now needs to reform his Curia and his particular Church, so as to root out the widows of the new springtime.

Matt said...

Et Expecto said, "Three cheers for Bishop Castet."

Yes, CONTINUALLY!

These people are so absurd whenever they say "returning to the past," but it's okay for them to be stuck back in their Brady Bunch days nonsense.

I like it, in fact, when liberals have conniption fits and wet their pants over something, especially Tradition. It shows we're RIGHT.

As far as that priest who said, "this just has to stop," can resign, leave the priesthood. I have no qualms whatsoever in one less liberal in the Church, priest or otherwise.

Matt

sam said...

Correction to my last post:
Change: "...Vedean Bishop..."
To: "...Vedean priest..."


Change: "Poor Vedean Bishop..."
To: "Poor Vedean priests..."

======

This is nice to hear:
" Il est donc blessant de les qualifier d’intégristes. Ils sollicitent de l’Eglise une bienveillante attention. Ils y ont droit, comme tous les autres baptisés vivant d’autres sensibilités."
"2. Dans ce contexte, c’est (de la part de tous les évêques du monde) exercer un acte collégial que d’ordonner les diacres et prêtres de ces fraternités à leur demande."

Matthew Rose said...

I hope that this Bishop has the courage to ignore these ridiculous clamorings. Maybe His Lordship can tell this "official close to him" that all ordinations in his own diocese will be according to the Traditional Rite, that he is to preach the Kingship of Christ and to pray for the restoration of the French Monarchy. Then France can reclaim its title as The Eldest Daughter of Holy Mother Church.

It is refreshing to see Bishops doing something like this, as just this morning I had to read a letter in a diocesan bulletin from the Cardinal of Centurycity about how it is so great that Sacrosactum Concilium called for "liturgical music in vernacular languages." Now I think the document as it is ought be jettisoned anyway, but that is simply untrue, except according to the loosest of reasons.

So, please, Princes of Holy Mother Church, cease writing contrived letters about the glories of Vatican II and start ordaining men according to the Traditional Books!

Matt said...

Prof. Basto said, "Bishop Castet now needs to reform his Curia and his particular Church, so as to root out the widows of the new springtime."

I doubt he will, Basto. This is just an observation, and anyone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I tend to find Clergy, and most Catholics (Traditional or otherwise) are not pro-active.

Most Catholics just sit around and whine and play victim, passing off things to someone else to "do it" rather than taking a stand themselves.

I know we like to play the humility routine and think back to the martyrs but they were literally helpless and met their fate with heroic humility. We today who live in the waning days of a free country and can still do something about matters, tend to take that humility concept to mean doing nothing.

Praise and gratitude to pro-lifers who get out there and march, who daily stand in front of human slaughterhouses and pray for relief. This is to be commended absolutely, but our effort at sanctifying the temporal order seems to stop there. Why?

I have a feeling Bishop Castet is just going to recede back into the chancery and lay low. It would be good to his credibility if he addresses the matter, telling his clergy to back off, that he's following the Church as She has always been, not the made-up Conciliar Church they're deluded with. He should also tell them go find another diocese if they don't like it.

Matt

Athelstane said...

The hospitals in Vendee had better be on standby for a flood of stroke victims the day that the SSPX is reconciled.

Then again, most of these suspects are probably already living in assisted retirement facilities, and perhaps those sorts of medical services are already included.

Athelstane said...

Hello Chris

" ... it seems that the faith has finally been bred out of the region."

It's a real triumph for the Conciliar Church in France, along with the stellar vocations rate.

Matt said...

Francis said, "There's still a long way to go, but we have to crawl before we can walk.""


Sadly, but why? Why do we have to crawl when we already are able to walk? I understand reality being what it is, but this harkens to my post above about doing nothing.

Matt

A. M. D. G. said...

...Tom Thunder said...
Belloc wrote: "Once Bishop Fellay is in, nothing is going to stop him from clambering to the top of St. Peter's and shouting the Truth... Can you imagine him standing in the well of the next Synod of Bishops?..."

Yes, just like Bishop Rifan eh?

Good point!

authoressaurus said...

There won't be a "modernist" priest left in France to complain about it in a very short time. Let them rage, they and their version of the church are already manifesting the "Zombie Apocalypse." Vat II = "Zombie Apocolypse" It's pretty much as simple as that.

Anonymous said...

I am a Deacon. I celebrated my 16th anniversary on the Feast of Corpus Christi. This ordination is not only beautiful, it is not unlike every ordination of men to the first Order in Holy Orders. I eagerly await the reconiliation of SSPX and I know it will come ... and soon. Pope Benedict XVI is the Pope of authentic Christian unity within orthodoxy and orthopraxy in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I have prayed for years for the reconciliation. Even though my SSPX brethren have a hard time with my orders - I am married (36 years) with five grown children and six grandchildren. They would not even let me learn the Latin extraordinary form Mass when they offered training!I applied and they said "No". I also welcomed the ordinariates which welcomed home Anglicans to the Barque of Peter. I was encouraged to read Bishop Fellay's positive comments about them. The Catholic Church is God's "Plan A" and there is no Plan B. The culture of the West is imploding and only a dynamically orthodoxy Catholic Church can save it from disaster.

Rick DeLano said...

If the charge is being Catholic, it certainly appears enough evidence exists to find the Bishop guilty.

Francis said...

Matt said:"Sadly, but why? Why do we have to crawl when we already are able to walk"?

Because modernists have been in control of the Church hierarchy for nearly fifty years. While I wish that Catholic orthodoxy and tradition would return overnight it's not going to happen barring a miracle from Heaven. When The old modernist liberals start retiring and dying off (which some are/have), then hopefully they will be replaced with traditional bishops and priests, that takes time. There are evil forces inside AND outside of the one true Church who will do all that they can to derail any "regularization" with the FSSPX or any affirmation of traditional Catholicism found in the FSSP or by Bishop Castet.

"I understand reality being what it is, but this harkens to my post above about doing nothing".

Unless one of us becomes a future Pope or a bishop there really isn't much we can do but pray and spread the Gospel and the two-thousand years of de-fide Catholic dogma.

P.K.T.P. said...

To liberals, these pictures are worse than pornography. Don't show them to children! It might corrupt them!

Interesting that the Bishop is from the Vendée.

P.K.T.P.

Peterman said...

"authoressaurus said...
There won't be a "modernist" priest left in France to complain about it in a very short time"

Marie Julie Jehenny did say this. She also said a priest would have to be brought in from the diocese of Aix for the coronation of the new Catholic Monarch as no priest would be found in France. A scary prophesy that people in France should take into consideration.

Nate said...

I have been supporting the FSSP for about 10 years now. I started supporting them with no knowledge or understanding of Tradition, VII, etc. I praise God for his providence every time I see stories like these now.

JabbaPapa said...

Peterman : She also said a priest would have to be brought in from the diocese of Aix for the coronation of the new Catholic Monarch as no priest would be found in France.

The truly scary thing is that there are virtually no priests at all in that entire region of France !!! :-(

On my foot pilgrimage to Lourdes and Compostela in 2005, I was shocked to find that Arles *Cathedral* was being serviced by an 80-year old auxiliary priest because they had nobody else for the job, and for any more important religious duties a priest from Aix would drive back and forth to accomplish them...

Ora et Labora said...

To Bishop Castet,of Luçon, in the Vendée, well done!!!

God bless the FSSP and all the new deacons for the Fraternity.

Francis said...

This is more to the liking of the conciliar modernists. Yuk!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/10/california-megachurch-crystal-cathedral-gets-new-name-as-it-changes-to-catholic/#ixzz1xMzbfK00?test=latestnews

Wiseguy said...

Turn our backs against Second Vatican? Yeah, we should be so lucky.

Holy Rosary said...

'Shouting from the rooftops ' is hardly the style of B. Fellay, and B. Rifan is a completely different kettle of fish to H.E.B.Fellay, who with the grace of God will not compromise in any way..."if you want us, take us as we are". Completely different mentality.

MMCJ said...

The Catholic Church has indeed experienced many a rough patch in its 2000 year history. We should do our best to keep it intact.
IT IS JESUS CHRIST'S CHURCH.

Tantumblogo said...

I'd like to know which "provocative" subjects are missing from sermons on audiosancto? No, they aren't completely obsessed with the most recent council, but there is a heaping load of scorn for the modern Church and sermon after sermon thundering against the immorality so prevalent in the Church and world. The best Catholic preacher I've ever heard is FSSP. I've heard some pretty good SSPX guys but none hold a candle to this particular FSSP priest.

That's the funny thing. 2 years now in FSSP and never once, from a dozen or so FSSP priests, have I ever heard the Society mocked or bashed. But in the other direction, the condemnations are constant. I think the FSSP are pretty comfortable with themselves. I'm not so sure about the SSPX. Look at the open, vicious dissension within the Society right now. I've seen comments directed at +Fellay that are more hate filled and vindictive than anything I've read in a Catholic forum - that he's a tool of satan, that he's doing it all for a red hat, that he's a socialist swine. Give me a break.

I know most in the Society are not like that, just as the vast majority of FSSP priests are not the cowards that they are often made out to be. I wish we could stop painting with such broad brushes and kicking each other in the groin, and get down to fighting the modernism in the Church and the sexular pagan demonic disaster that is the culture.