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For the record
Rumors: Parolin next Secretary of State? Piero Marini next CDW Prefect?

From CNA: New Vatican Secretary of State may be appointed soon:

Rumors have emerged that Archbishop Pietro Parolin, apostolic nuncio to Venezuela, will shortly be appointed as the Vatican's Secretary of State. 
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A skilled diplomat, Archbishop Parolin, 58, served as Vatican undersecretary for relations with States from 2002 to 2009. 

Suggestions of a possible “important appointment” for the feast of Saints Peter and Paul emerged from a couple of different Vatican sources who spoke to CNA at the beginning of this week on the condition of anonymity. 

“The Pope knows that he cannot have an outgoing secretary of state for so long,” one of them said June 26. 

After the first 100 days of his pontificate, the source maintained, “Pope Francis is now in a hurry to have his own staff carry out the reform of the Curia.” 

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Following the appointment of the new Secretary of State, sources say that Pope Francis would also change several of the top-ranking officials of the Curia. 

Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, Archbishop of Tegucigalpa, Honduras could be appointed prefect for the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples (the so-called “Propaganda Fide”). 

Cardinal Maradiaga is also the coordinator of the Pope-appointed Commission of Cardinals now studying a reform of the Roman Curia. 

At the same time, the current prefect, Cardinal Fernando Filoni, would be appointed Archbishop of Palermo, in Southern Italy. 

A new prefect for the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Sacraments should soon be appointed, as well. 

The current prefect, Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, would be appointed as the successor to Cardinal Antonio Maria Rouco Varela as the Archbishop of Madrid, Spain. 
Abp. Piero Marini with Benedict XVI in Mariazell, Austria

To cover his post, Pope Francis would call Archbishop Piero Marini, who was Pontifical Master of Ceremonies during Bl. John Paul II’s Pontificate and now heads the Vatican’s commission for Eucharistic Congresses. 

A source from Spain who works in the archdiocesan curia in Madrid confirmed to CNA on June 28 that Cardinal Rouco Varela has left for Rome [Rorate note: Cardinal Rouco Varela was received in audience by the Pope this week.]. He also said that “the usual reception” held in the nunciature in Madrid for the feast of Saints Peter and Paul has been canceled.


Parolin and Rodríguez Maradiaga (moderator of the Pope's Privy Council) are reasonable names that are often repeated - and it would make sense for the Pope to have his close Honduran friend available at all times.

Now, on the CDW.

For the record: rumors that Cardinal Cañizares Llovera will be sent back to Spain as the next Archbishop of Madrid have been flying about for a year or two already, fanned by the Cardinals's frequent trips back to Spain and stories about his dissatisfaction in Rome. 

Cañizares was already the Archbishop of Toledo and Primate of Spain before his transfer to the Roman Curia, but given the See of Madrid's de facto greater power and influence a transfer for him to Madrid will not be a "demotion", any more than Cardinal Scola's transfer from the Patriarchate of Venice to the Archdiocese of Milan was. 

Before becoming Master of Pontifical Ceremonies under Pope Wojtyla, Piero Marini was the personal secretary of Abp. Annibale Bugnini in the 1970s - and a close friend of his mentor. He was one of the very first prelates received in audience by Pope Francis in the first days of his pontificate.

It is a rumor - but often-repeated rumors have turned out to be right too many times in recent years...

54 comments:

Bwangi Kilonzo said...

Seems like a revolving door to me, if the Holy Father really, really wants to clean house, he should go for Bishops that have never worked in Rome, and from far away places, like Africa and India, with a reputation for Holiness.

Eugene said...

State of necessity, anybody?

Okiepapist said...

How many times have you heard politician's promise reform only to bring in the last lot of crooks?

Robbie said...

If this news is true and Piero Marini will become a Cardinal and the head of CDW, then it is nothing more than a slap to the face of Benedict.

Is it a humble move to make as head of the CDW the man your predecessor replaced as master of Papal Ceremonies? Or is it, in fact, a public rebuke of the main agenda of your predecessor? I ask because we've heard for three months Bergoglio is a humble man.

If anyone still needed confirmation the election of Francis was meant to be a rebuke of Ratzinger's eight years as Pope, then this is it. This is an amazingly brazen shot a living predecessor.

This is depressing news.

Eugene said...

Should we brace ourselves for more silly messes and ugly vestments? The reform of the reform didn't last very long, did it?

Ricardo Carvalho said...

More liturgical demolition on the way. Really, do we deserve it? Piero Marini is almost the worst possible choice...

Eugene said...

I'd love to see how Father Z. will try to explain away this turn of events. "Reading Francis through Benedict", anyone?

Eugene said...

Has anybody noticed how there hasn't been any comment from Bishop of Rome Francis regarding the overturn of DOMA in the United States? And now Marini supposedly being promoted to Prefect of CDW after his recent comments in Costa Rica regarding civil unions? Does the Bishop of Rome share his views on the subject as well?

McCall1981 said...

Does anyone know anything about Archbishop Parolin?

Father G said...

What was that? Brick by what? I'm sorry... I didn't get that...

JM said...

Dissolve all these darned congregations and appoint their leaders as much need parish priests to offset the priest shortage. That would show humility. All these appointments... one big More of the Same. Rome is a faux Christian United Nations complex right now. A waste of time.

Angelo said...

Archbishop Marini sounds like bad news to whatever position he is given. In the pic, that funky looking Chasuble Pope Benedict XVl is wearing was surely the idea of Marini. The fact that he was associated with Bugnini explains it all.

poeta said...

More liturgical terrorism from Piero Marini... just what the Church needs.

Common Sense said...

Nathing is going to change till the justice of God has descended upon this clerical rabble in Vatican and physical devastation has taken the corse. It's pretty close.

Common Sense said...

Michael Vorris' excellent grasp of the 'catholic' careerists in the money channels of the church, both priets and civilians is a really an eye opener for all those who donate in good faith and how those legions of parasites sponge of the duped faithfulls' money. If indeed H.H. is to consecrate Russia, it's going happen only under dire conditions. I've read somewhere that even B J.P.II wanted to bust up all this apparatus as being totally irreformable. Sounds unlikely, but not impossible.

Dan Hunter said...

Brick by Brick.

Athelstane said...

And here's the rumored (may God avert it) CDW Prefect talking to NCR's John Allen just several weeks ago, on his feelings about the election of Pope Francis:

For you, what has the change in the papacy meant?

"It's a breath of fresh air, it's opening a window onto springtime and onto hope. We had been breathing the waters of a swamp, and it had a bad smell. We'd been in a church afraid of everything, with problems such as Vatileaks and the pedophilia scandals. With Francis we're talking about positive things; he puts the emphasis on the positive and talks about offering hope."

Can you describe the atmosphere that prevails now in the Vatican?

"In these first days of his pontificate there's a different air of freedom, a church that's closer to the poor and less problematic. He doesn't like living surrounded by great paintings and gold."

* * *

Stay classy, Your Excellency. Don't hold back until the Pope Emeritus is dead or anything.

Matthew Roth said...

Abp. Marini can't touch the TLM. It is still under the jurisdiction of the P.C.E.D, which is still under the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Although its primary purpose was to influence the SSPX negotiations, which are quite stalled, I can't see it moving, as those are not a priority in any way for Francis.
And, fixing the liturgical disaster is a bottom-up effort. Benedict knew this.
Also, Abp. Marini would have to rewrite the entire GIRM to outlaw many 'traditional' and 'antiquated' practices e.g. Communion on the tongue kneeling or worship ad orientem.

Mick McCormack said...

Well, hopefully under these new Bugnini-ite leaders, the Novus Ordo will 'reform' and 'simplify' itself out of existence...

Fernando. said...

I can't wait to see Rouco out of Madrid.

The damage this neo-con bishop has done to the Spanish church is immense.

Gratias said...

"Before becoming Master of Pontifical Ceremonies under Pope Wojtyla, Piero Marini was the personal secretary of Abp. Annibale Bugnini in the 1970s - and a close friend of his mentor."

Wow! Simply amazing. Difficult times ahead for our Church.

Alex Long said...

Everyone must realize something, and some of you have.

The only thing that is going to fix the situation is death.

We have to wait until all these men who were involved with and influenced by the neo-Modernism of the last century are dead. There I said it.

There is no such thing as a Traditionalist group of bishops/cardinals who can readily take positions in the Vatican and eventually man the Papacy to remedy the situation. There are men who are trads yes, but too far and few.

Time is the only thing that is needed, much like every other crisis in the Church. Just keep fighting.

Joe Potillor said...

It is often said, one can tell a lot about a person by the people he places around himself...if Abp Marini is indeed the next prefect...Kyrie eleison...and say hello to permanent JPII style liturgies...This Pontificate will be the anti-Benedict XVI if it keeps going at this rate.

Eric said...

Hang in there. The barque of Peter may be creaking loudly but it will weather this storm as it has weathered others. Que the cries of, "BUT NOT ONE THIS BAD!" Arguable, but from what I hear, it comes with a guarantee from Whom I understand is a pretty good ship builder.

Eric said...

So I just read the fine print on the Ship Builder's contract concerning the barque of Peter. While it is guaranteed to weather every storm... you aren't. Sorry. We may not be around by the end of this storm. The ship will make it through.

Augustinus said...

"Abp. Marini can't touch the TLM. It is still under the jurisdiction of the P.C.E.D, which is still under the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Although its primary purpose was to influence the SSPX negotiations, which are quite stalled, I can't see it moving, as those are not a priority in any way for Francis."

Precisely because it is not a priority, there is little reason to believe that the PCED is immune from the major streamlining that the Curia is about to undergo. I am not saying that the PCED will disappear. What I am saying is that we have no reason to be complacent that it will not disappear in the course of Curial reform.

In the last years of Benedict XVI's reign there were already calls within the Vatican to put the Ecclesia Dei congregations under the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and the 1962 Missal under the CDW. I am not saying that these reforms will happen, only that we should not say that these can't or won't happen.

"And, fixing the liturgical disaster is a bottom-up effort. Benedict knew this."

Not if some bloggers and analysts were to be believed -- not that their over-optimistic takes on the matter ever had much weight with us here in Rorate.

"Also, Abp. Marini would have to rewrite the entire GIRM to outlaw many 'traditional' and 'antiquated' practices e.g. Communion on the tongue kneeling or worship ad orientem."

The GIRM has never stopped the practices that you mention from being all but outlawed or driven out of existence in the Novus Ordo almost everywhere. The important thing, really, is not what the GIRM says, but the prevailing liturgical "winds" or "trends".

Barbara said...

Piero Marini is a repulsive person in more ways than one. And I hope he reads this. These men (i.e. most of them) at the Vatican will get NO obedience from me as I do not consider them credible and trustworthy. The very sight of them...cringe... they have made the institutional Church into a joke and left the faithful flock on their own while the wolves are getting ready to have them for lunch...

Pope Francis remember, has never offered the Old Rite so I think, short of a miracle we will have no true reform of our beloved Mass ....

Something is happening that is so beyond me ...or us...it's like eveything is crumbling more rapidly ...or maybe that's my wishful thinking ...as I want Our Lord to come soon and "save the creatures He fashioned from the dust."

I need to go and pray...I am so fed-up and angy with all of this and them ...

Ramadan said...

There is a lot of uncertainty ahead. We can but trust in God's Holy Will being done through the power of the Holy Ghost. We should be careful that we are not drawn into personal invective or bile towards any member of the clergy or order of bishops, lest we give scandal to some. Some of the comments here are read by many who do not share a love of the TLM and, not knowing the context, may well be upset by them. We should be circumspect and charitable.

Genty said...

If these rumours turn out to be correct, the least surprised will be Pope Emeritus Benedict. He did what he could while he could but he, most of all, knew the limitations given how few in the Vatican shared his aims.
I don't suppose he was under any illusion about what might happen following his departure, whether by death or resignation.

Bill said...

Eugene and friends,

I wish traditionalists would stop using the phrase "reform of the reform." Reform implies improvement, but the novelties during and after Vatican are hardly improvements. Ask Fr. Amorth. He'll tell you that the new exorcism rite doesn't work.

Bill

Et Expecto said...

Marini is already 71.

Maybe demographics will sort this one out.

Augustinus said...

Et Expecto:

Watch out for Rorate's next post. Watch it and tell me that the crisis in the Church will be sorted out by age.

backtothefuture said...

Bugnini lives! How in the world can anyone allow anyone associated with that man, be given any position in the church? On top of his civil union drivel.

Reagan's Bush said...

Bill,
What other sacrament/sacramental doesn't work?

RipK said...

The Bergoglio-Piero Marini team is a match made in "heaven". They both have a rooted hatred towards traditional catholicism and they both love circus messes with lots of baloons and puppets. What Paul VI and Bugnini have started, these two will successfully finish. The Barque of Peter is now officially the Titanic.

Michael Ortiz said...



Bill,

Reform of the reform is actually very traditionalist.

The liturgy was "broken" in 1970; you can't fix it the way it was "broken".

John Nolan said...

Bill's point is a sound one. Exorcism is the only rite whose efficacy can be actually demonstrated. We have to accept that the revised sacraments/sacramentals are valid, but are they as efficacious as those they replaced? Why are priests free to avail themselves of the older Rituale Romanum? I accept that the three exorcisms in the older rite of baptism are there as a result of historical accident, but surely it's better to have too many than none at all, as in the reformed rite.

Bill said...

Thank you, Michael. What's very traditionalist: the phrase "reform of the reform," the revision it stands for, or both? My main point was that the Novus Ordo isn't an improved version of the Roman Rite of the Mass. I agree with Msgr. Gamber when he says that we need to distinguish the Roman rite of Mass, the TLM, and the modern rite of it. I'm inclined to agree with Fr. Gregory Hesse when he says that Catholics should not attend Novus Ordo Masses. But I hesitate to call it what he calls it, "an intrinsically evil rite." I agree fully with what the Ottaviani Intervention tells me about the Novus Ordo. I just don't know enough about that rite to know whether it is intrinsically evil.

Michael Ortiz said...


Bill,

The reform. Trads know that rites can change--over centuries, organically, VERY slowly.

That's not what happened in 1970.

We're in a pickle, for sure.

alsaticus said...

If these rumors are becoming true, indeed pope Francis could be renamed pope anti-Benedict XVI.

The various veils that have been put artistically during the past months would fall down brutally.

Already a mention of the Synod of bishops, a mere advisory body, as the equivalent of the papal ministry by pope Francis is a serious breach in the common post-conciliar ecclesiology : neither Paul VI nor John Paul II nor Benedict XVI has ever said something like that.

And it is certainly weird to say the least when you read Lumen Gentium.

We may have to drink the cup unto the last drags ... let us pray that these rumors are only rumors and won't come true.

The whole Church would pay a very heavy price in the contrary to the failures of the emeritus pope/bishop of Rome. It would be back to the 1970's and even worse.

Bill said...

Michael,

I'm familiar with organic liturgical development, but you're the only person I've met who calls it "reform of the reform." As I tried, or thought I tried, to explain last night, I believe the phrase "reform of the reform" can mislead people when it stand for, say, the Novus Ordo.

In my opinion, retired Pope Benedict still thinks like a Hegelian who believes that the synthesis is always better than both the thesis and the antithesis. Maybe for him, the TLM is the thesis, the Novus Ordo is the antithesis, and the hybrid he wants is the synthesis. While he ruled the Church, Summorum Pontificum got published to launch a new liturgical movement to replace the TLM and the NOM with that hybrid. So I hope and pray that, if I'm right, a pope will abolish that movement, the Novus Ordo, and the other novelties that traditionalists need to resist.
I even wonder whether Trent's anathema against anyone who tries to change a received and approved rite into a new rite applies to the Novus Ordo's inventors.

With all his good intentions, Pope Francis reminds of Pope Pius XII's comments about three things: the suicide of altering the liturgy, Catholics who can't find the red lamp and the clerics who want to wipe out the Church's ornaments.

By the way, "traditional Catholic" is another potentially misleading expression because I know of New Order Catholics who describe themselves with it. If I want others to know that I'm a traditionalist movement, I tell that I'm a member of the Catholic Traditionalist movement. I don't say that I'm a traditional Catholic.

Bill said...

Reagan's Bush, sacraments, as such, do work. But you already know that in practice, they don't do that when something invalidates them, the wrong matter, say. If an exorcism rite is a sacramental that needs the right for and the right matter, the new exorcism rite may lack one or both of those.

Michael Ortiz said...


Bill,

I believe Fr. Fessio, of Ignatius Press, came up with the term.

In all due respect, I think you are imposing ideas on Benedict that are yours, not his. In the writings of his that I have read, he deplores manufactured liturgy.

He realizes, rightly I believe, that the reforms implemented after V2 are so extreme, we must go gradually back...it's an opinion...we both might be wrong!

Bill said...

Michael,

I'm still looking for direct quotations. Meanwhile, here are three sources that support my opinion. I cite the first one mostly because it quotes The Tablet. The second article repeats some things that the third one attributes to Cardinal Koch.

Naturally, I would expect Fr. Fessio to believe what you think he believes. In fact, you've just reminded me that in his introduction (or was it a preface?) to the Ignatius Press book called "The Heresy of Formlessness," Fessio writes that Ignatius Press supports the "reform of the reform," not the return of the TLM. Whatever IP supports, Fessio may still believe what you think he believes.

To me, Benedict has long seemed confused about liturgical development and continuity. You remember, I'll bet, that in his preface to Gamber's book "Reform of the Roman Liturgy: Its Problems and Background," Cardinal Ratzinger calls the Novus Ordo a "fabricated liturgy" and a "banal on-the-spot product." Maybe he changed his mind about that. But if he still believes what he said in that preface, it's hard to reconcile it with the idea that the Novus Ordo is a received and approved rite of Mass in Trent's sense of the phrase "received and approved." If it's not received and approved in that sense, I can't consider it a reform, let alone a result of genuine, organic liturgical development You seem to agree with me on that point, too, when you say that the Novus Ordo is broken.

Maybe I digress. So here are the links I mentioned:


Heading to a Hybrid
http://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/095bev02-27-2008.htm

John Vennari quotes Cardinal Koch
http://www.cfnews.org/page10/page59/hybridtridentinemass.html

Cardinal Koch on Pope Benedict on the Reform
http://www.praytellblog.com/index.php/2011/05/16/cardinal-koch-on-pope-benedict-on-liturgical-reform/

Bill said...

Michael,

Here's a link to the original about Cardinal Koch's thoughts.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101922.htm

Michael Ortiz said...



Bill,

Nice coincidence, as I was reading The Heresy of Formlessness this morning. I like it very much, though he's not a historian.

I think Benedict did, actually, overestimate the backlash from some real big reforms, but then, only he can really know if that's true.

Bill said...

Michael,

I'm happy to hear that you enjoy "The Heresy of Formlessness." You're better than me, my friend, because with my thoroughly analytical mind, I could hardly understand it. My logician's way of reasoning may even help explain why I Chesterton's prose confuses me too much.

What tells you that Benedict overestimated that backlash? I may be biased about the Novus Ordo because I'm beginning to agree with Fr. Gregory Hesse, God rest his soul, when he says that the Novus Ordo is an an innately evil rite because it's incompatible with Trent's theology about the Mass.

By the way, I'm not a sedevacantist, neither was he. I agree with the SSPX.

Rob NYC said...

Those vestments you speak about Angelo were the choice of the bishops in which the Pope was visiting at the time. Archbishop Marini is a good and faithful man who more modern ideas have clashed with some in the past. Good for him! The Curia needs a good shaking up

Michael Ortiz said...



Bill,

Hmmmm. I wouldn't go that far. Less good? Yes.

Remember that the Mass of St. Pius V, that is, the liturgy, grew from the early centuries of the Mass, which were in Greek....the Church does grow...VERY slowly...

Bill said...

Michael,

Maybe most traditionalists wouldn't go that fare, but I do for four reasons. One, the Ottaviani Intervention says that the Novus Ordo departs from Trent's theology about the Mass. Two, with Quo Primum, St. Pius V bound his successors to use only received and approved rites of Mass. Three, in Trent's sense of "received and approved," the Novus Ordo is neither received nor approved. Four, Trent anathematizes anyone who changes a received and approved rite into a new one.

Bill said...

Michael,

Please forgive me for quoting long passages.

Why am I quoting the 13th can from Trent's seventh Session by quoting from a page about a book by Fr. Paul Kramer? Because its translation of that canon includes the word "whomsoever," the only English meaning of the Latin word "quiscum." In context, that word stands for any Catholic pastor, including any successor of St. Pius V.


About Trent’s 13th canon in Session 7
http://www.alteringliturgy.com/
In this book, first published in 1996 and augmented in 1999, Father Paul Kramer makes the case for the Tridentine Mass as not only not being forbidden, but in fact being the only Mass that is the “received and approved” rite of the Latin Rite it is not just approved by Church authority (i.e. Popes and Ecumenical Councils), but it was also received. That means, that it has been handed on (traditio) from the previous generations of the Church, going back not just as far as the Council of Trent, but going back to Pope Gregory the Great (590-604 AD), back to the Apostles. It is part of Catholic Tradition with a capital “T”. Catholic Tradition is also part of the Deposit of Faith.

So when Pope St. Pius V, in his bull Quo Primum, commands that this Mass is to be said and that no one not even a Pope, much less a Cardinal, bishop or religious superior — can impose or command another rite of Mass to be said by any priest of the Latin Rite, he was not simply making a canonical law – that is, a law of the Church – which could be changed by a subsequent lawgiver – that is, another Pope. No, this decree of Quo Primum is making a dogmatic statement of the Catholic Faith – an infallible definition that cannot be changed by any subsequent Pope or any subsequent Pope together with a Council. That is why Canon XIII of Session VII of the Council of Trent solemnly defines, “If any one shall say that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church accustomed to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments may be … changed to other new ones by any pastor of the churches whomsoever: let him be anathema.”*

What Pope St. Pius V was saying was that this rite (now known as the Tridentine Rite) – that is, the book that is attached to the bull Quo Primum – is the received and approved rite. This rite cannot be changed into an other and different one, as the Council of Trent has already dogmatically defined. And that is also why Quo Primum is binding on the Church for all time.

Ottaviani Intervention
http://ewtn.com/library/curia/reformof.htm
1. The accompanying critical study of the Novus Ordo Missae, the work of a group of theologians, liturgists and pastors of souls, shows quite clearly in spite of its brevity that if we consider the innovations implied or taken for granted which may of course be evaluated in different ways, the Novus Ordo represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXII of the Council of Trent. The "canons" of the rite definitively fixed at that time provided an insurmountable barrier to any; heresy directed against the integrity of the Mystery.
2. The pastoral reasons adduced to support such a grave break with tradition, even if such reasons could be regarded as holding good in the face of doctrinal considerations, do not seem to us sufficient. The innovations in the Novus Ordo and the fact that all that is of perennial value finds only a minor place, if it subsists at all, could well turn into a certainty the suspicions already prevalent, alas, in many circles, that truths which have always been believed by the Christian people, can be changed or ignored without infidelity to that sacred deposit of doctrine to which the Catholic faith is bound for ever. Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful who are already showing signs of restiveness and of an indubitable lessening of faith

Bill said...

I meant to type "far," not "fare."

Fr. Hesse says that "whomsoever" is "quiscum's" only English synonym. But I'm sure he would agree that "whomever" and "whoever" would be synonyms of it, too. But only "whoever" or "whomever" was the only word Google's translator gave me when it translated "quiscum" from Latin to English.

(http://www.translate.google.com)

McCall1981 said...

When this rumor broke, I prayed that it would not be true, and my prayer was granted. Sure, it could still happen, but at least this particular rumor at that particular time didnt happen, and I wanted to say thank you God for that.

RipK said...

The appointment of Parolin was finally announced today, August 31, 2013
http://attualita.vatican.va/sala-stampa/bollettino/2013/08/31/news/31610.html

Pictures of Parolin can be found here:
http://theratzingerforum.yuku.com/sreply/74341/People-in-the-News

Does anyone know if he is friendly to the Eternal Catholic Tradition?