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El nuevo Arrupe

A Spaniard who has lived most of his religious life in Japan (just like Arrupe...) is the new Superior General of the Society of Jesus: Fr. Adolfo Nicolás, former Moderator of the Jesuit Conference of East Asia and Oceania.

(Sources: Apcom/El Mundo)


  1. Anonymous11:53 AM

    Look out...they ignored the address given to them! Inculturate, inculturate, inculturate!!!!

  2. Anonymous11:58 AM

    how is he?

  3. Anonymous12:11 PM

    Adolfo Nicolás: "L'Asia non riuscirà mai a comprendere come una Chiesa ‘umile' possa tanto facilmente trascurare ‘altre vie di salvezza' o giudicarle ‘inferiori alla nostra'".

  4. " Fr Adolfo Nicolas SJ: Six hopes for the General Congregation

    Can we be realistic?

    I can still remember GC34. They are fond, humorous and challenging memories. But we were not realistic.

    Just imagine: 220 Jesuits decide to tackle 46 topics, work on them for three months, produce 26 documents and solemnly handle and approve 416 complementary norms. Thus, we were not surprised when crises emerged: crises of content, of management, and of hope. Next year we will be close to 230 members.

    It is my ardent hope that we be realistic as to what a GC can do decently well, what it cannot, and what it should leave to the new Father-General and his team.

    Can we be transparent?

    Transparency has become more difficult in our small world. When was the last time that a great leader could confess substantial sins in public and continue leading the flock, the country, the Church?

    And yet, our GCs have always started with an honest and frank acknowledgment of where we are going wrong, what is missing in our lives, what has been distorted or wounded of our spirit, what needs conversion, renewal or radical reform.

    It is my sincere hope that we can do that again.

    Can we be accompanied?

    The best of a General Congregation is the event itself, as an ‘event of the heart'. This is a time of intensive search and of exhilarating exchange, where questions and answers do not come lineally, but dance within us and around us, at the rhythm of fraternal and humble mutual openness.

    My hope is that this happens to the whole Society of Jesus. I hope that we all take an active part in preparing the Congregation from inside our common issues. Prayer, reflection and exchange are the gift and the contribution.

    I hope that those who do not go to Rome, will monitor and follow events closely, with the same hope, the same intensity of search, the same willingness to change and be led by the Spirit of our Lord. This will be our best accompaniment.

    Can we be creative?

    I have a feeling, still imprecise and difficult to define, that there is something important in our religious life that needs attention and is not getting it. We have certainly been diligent in addressing our problems whenever we have seen them: Poverty (GC32 in 1974 and 34 in 1995), Chastity (GC34), Community (Provincials at Loyola)... But the uneasiness in the Society and in the Church has not disappeared.

    The question for us is: Is it enough that we are happy with our life and are improving our service and ministry? Isn't there also an important factor in the perception of people (Vox Populi) that should drive us to some deeper reflection on religious life today? How come we elicit so much admiration and so little following?

    Thus, one of my hopes is that in GC35 we begin a process of dynamic and open reflection on our religious life that might begin a process of re-creation of the Society for our times, not only in the quality of our services, but also and mostly in the quality of our personal and community witness to the Church and the World.

    Can we be practical?

    The age in which we live and our younger Jesuits will live, is an age of very rapid change. New technologies and new communication possibilities can make a great difference. We are using some. We do not feel free to use others. Maybe a certain restraint in using new means might be good for us. Maybe not. It is so difficult to know what is going to happen seven, ten years from now.

    It is my hope that the coming GC opens the way for future General Congregations, giving the new General and his Council the freedom to discern and choose the best means to prepare and to run the Congregations of the future.

    Can we be short?

    We would not like GC35 to become another exercise in patience. A General Congregation is not a "Panacea" for all the problems we might face. It is a help of great value, but basically oriented to the ongoing growth in the Spirit and the Apostolate of the whole Society.

    Thus, my final hope is that we will be so clear as to the purposes, and so focused in our work, that we can do this service to the Society and the Church within a reasonably short time."

    ( By Adolfo Nicolas SJ, Moderator of the Jesuit Conference of East Asia and Oceania. )

  5. Anonymous1:16 PM

    He won't last long, at 72. Apparently the Jesuits ignored the speech of Cardinal Rode, and another of Pope Benedict XVI calling for obedience and a return to Catholic tradition.
    Well, the Jesuits have chosen this road to extinction a long time ago, as have most religious Orders of men.
    Take a look at their websites:
    The White Fathers
    Missionaries of the Precious Blood
    and of course, Jesuits....just to name a few.
    They're all the same. They have discarded Catholic tradition, slum around in layclothes, are very aged, and have no vocations.
    The Jesuits and all these groups will disappear quickly, leaving behind 40+ years of disaster....but several hundreds of years of glory before that.
    Sad, pathetic, and sick.
    That's how to describe Vatican II religious Orders and their agenda.
    The Jesuits, and all the rest.

  6. Anonymous1:24 PM

    Just look at the picture of the priests at the assembly. Not a single one wore clerics. It didn't matter who they chose. They are all cut from the same cloth.

  7. Anonymous1:49 PM

    Suppress them!

    Someone asked: how is he. From his clothes in that picture, he must be another bad apple.

    What is needed is a new Dominus ac Redemptor

  8. Anonymous2:15 PM

    He looks 'cool man'

  9. Anonymous2:24 PM

    Whispers in the Loggia says that Nicolas wants to adapt the Spiritual Exercises to Buddhism! Typical Modernism! It separates spirituality from devotion and religion.
    It's a good think St. Ignatius cannot be disturbed in his enjoyment of eternal beatitude and joy. Otherwise, he'd be leading a troop of saintly Jesuits to wipe out these current ones.

  10. Anonymous3:23 PM

    We have another typical Jesuit punch in the papal face : first was right onto Paul VI's face, then John Paul II and now Benedict.

    Is the Society doing some good today for the Church at large ? or is it one of the most dangerous sources for destroying the faith, not only the Church as an institution ?

    Obviously we have a far nastier "Arrupe" type new General of the Jesuits. Arrupe was made dumb with a potion of silly liberation theology ; but under Kolvenbach, The Society went to syncretist ideology at full speed, especially in Oceania (i.e. Australia) and Asia (the dreadful Indian Jesuits).
    So the newly elected general is the fruit of the Kolvenbach orientation.
    We can keep in mind Fr. Kolvenbach was the 1st to defend actively and protect Fr. Jacques Dupuis, one the thinkers of the infamous "theology of religions" i.e. the syncretist ideology.
    The theories of Dupuis (and others) prompted John Paul and then cardinal Ratzinger to publish "Dominus Iesus" declaration.
    Ostensibly the "Society of Jesus" is standing up AGAINST the supreme Magisterium of the Church.

    This is another sign of the state of anarchy that is prevailing within the Church for years now. Good words from the pope - like his predecessors - a nice ordinary form in the Sistine chapel won't make it up to address this lethal disorder.

  11. This has finally convinced me that the Jesuits must be suppressed. What a sad end to such a glorious undertaking. I might have joined them in ages gone by. :-(

  12. Anonymous4:50 PM

    The successful candidate's pre-election musings contain nary a word about preaching the Gospel of the Lord Jesus. If this is the "mission" of the Jesuits, the order will not last another decade.

  13. Anonymous5:03 PM

    Have to agree. When you would have to throw most of the members of an order out to reform it, it's easier to just start a new order and then suppress the old one when the new one starts to flourish. In fact, even if the Pope were to intervene and, say, appoint a Catholic head, these communists would suppress HIM. Not that we can expect this Pope, or any other Pope of that council to actually exercise bold authority. He's already said he couldn't force anyone to believe like we do, just have to offer our opinion. So, nothing changes.

    But under the radar for the most part, the traditionalist orders are reforming the church. God bless primarily the SSPX, as without them the second coming would be our only hope, and then the other traditionalist orders, and not to forget those often lonely martyrs who "independently" offer the faith to us, usually on meager resources and with little spiritual comfort from their own species.

    SSPX is right. We have been in a state of emergency for 40 years. Canon law sanctions against traditionalist priests operating out of charity within hostile dioceses do not apply. Please support your local traditionalist priests with humble charity.

  14. Anonymous5:45 PM

    I think we should say a prayer for the orthodox Jesuit priest out there. I am think of men like Fr. James Schall, and those involved with Homiletic and Pastoral Review.

  15. Anonymous5:47 PM

    I love his answer to the "can we be accompanied" question...gotta love dancing questions and answers...

  16. Anonymous5:56 PM

    Although Fr. Nicolas is noted as having spent most of his life in Japan, his most recent residence is the Jesuit community in thr Ateneo De Manila University, Quezon City, Philippines. As a Filipino, permit me to say something.

    Fr. Nicolas, make no mistake about it, is a LIBERAL with a capital L. He is known to be quite anti-Vatican and an out-and-out modernist.

    His elevation to the Jesuit Generalate also means that the very liberal and left-wing Filipino and Asian Jesuits now have a friend holding the most powerful Jesuit office in the world. This will doubtless have catastrophic consequences for the Jesuits in the world and also for the Church in Asia. With a friend at the helm, the Jesuits here will feel even freer to spread their liberal contagion around with greater impunity.

  17. Anonymous6:04 PM

    What do you all think about Fr. Mitch Pacwa, the Jesuit talk show host on EWTN? Isn't he orthodox?

  18. Anonymous9:34 PM

    I'm so sorry to see such disrespect shown to our Holy Father in these postings. And that is exactly what it is. After the general is elected, the Holy Father is contacted for his approval, which he has done. There are modern examples of papal interventions, so he could have done otherwise if he wished. But he didn't.

    Let us trust the one given to us to captain the Bark of St. Peter. And further, let us not engage in the ways of the world, searching on the Internet for some words that might help us in a game of "gotcha."

    Instead, let us receive the our Holy Father's approval of this man with docility. That is what I'm sure he desires for us, and to do otherwise is to show disrespect for the Vicar of Christ.

  19. Anonymous9:35 PM

    I agree with inhac...

  20. Ortodox Jesuit is the best Catholic priest - good example can be Fr Hardon SJ apostolate, Intermirifica, on the web.

  21. It is not disrespect for the Holy Father that is being shown, it is something akin to despair, and a sense of boundless potential squandered. All we foot-soldiers can do is pray.

  22. Anonymous11:19 PM

    "I'm so sorry to see such disrespect shown to our Holy Father in these postings. And that is exactly what it is. After the general is elected, the Holy Father is contacted for his approval, which he has done. There are modern examples of papal interventions, so he could have done otherwise if he wished. But he didn't." (inhaclacrimarumvalle)

    I've hardly read more insane comment.
    I cannot recall any pope rejecting publicly an elected General !
    The approbation is a pure canonical formality.

    As for the open disobedience of Jesuits by myriads, it has been acknowledged by all popes from Paul VI to the present pope who asked the Society to be more faithful to its constitutions, especially to respect the Sovereign Pontiff.
    The responsibility of the election is on the Jesuits and not on the pope.
    We'll see if Fr. Nicolas is shutting down the Jesuit centers where insane doctrines are openly taught.
    All what he said and all what he stands for allow anybody to cast serious doubts on this eventuality.

    I still have to see why denouncing the deviant Jesuits and fighting their open heresies could be disrespectful for the pope !

    nb. in 1981 when pope John Paul II appointed 2 pontifical delegates to govern the Society, was he "disrespecting" the pretended "choice" of Paul VI who had also "approved" Arrupe ? Extreme popism is leading to ... nonsense. Besides it has never been the Catholic doctrine in ecclesiology and was discarded by Vatican I (and Vatican II).

  23. Alsaticus is absolutely correct, of course.

  24. Anonymous11:55 PM

    Disrespect shown to the Holy Father! Well it strikes me it is some of the recent Holy Fathers who need to apologise to the many Catholics who have endeavoured to hold true to the Faith while laity and clergy alike have been wallowing in the "spirit of the time."
    There are sins of commission and ommission...
    The cycle of reform and decay has manifested itself in the Society of Jesus.
    How can restoration and reform occur within the subculture of dissent and confusion that had been cultured within the Church?
    Death is the great leveler and as one self indulgent generationg goes for judgement another we pray will restore all that has been lost.

  25. Anonymous4:22 AM

    I don't think I've seen any comment on this blog supportive of the Jesuits. My experience with some Jesuits lately has aroused some suspicion that they are not following Vatican instructions regarding gays in vocation. Also, some of their in-house publications show a heavy bias towards social justice rather than faith. As someone who has encountered poverty in many different countries, I can understand this sympathy, but I believe social justice is not the most important aspect of a religious order.

    That said, I think with their international network and resources, they have the capacity to effectively serve Christ. At the end of the day, given the current situation, can the new generation of Jesuits fulfill their original mission? Does anyone know whether Jesuit new vocations (recruitment and development) help them to recover their glory?

  26. Anonymous10:54 AM

    "new generations of Jesuits" ?
    They've lost around 40% of their members since Arrupe was elected in 1964.
    There are a handful of Jesuits who are locally trying to stay faithful to the Society of Jesus genuine mission : not the deviant orientations of Arrupe and Kolvenbach, the latter being somewhat the worst.
    I have in mind for ex. Fr Fessio in the USA but we all know how much he has been at odds with his superiors and under a permanent threat to be rejected by them.

    As far as I know the few new Jesuits are trained in Asia - where the new General Nicolas has worked - under the most deviant professors you can find.
    So we can guess the few "new Jesuits" are, alas, not any hope.

    John Paul II quickly realized the S.J. time is over, after his initial attempt to reform the Order. He pushed forward alternative religious orders and societies like the Legion of Christ.
    Benedict XVI seems to want a "reconciliation" with the S.J. (re his appointment of Fr. Lombardi s.j.) but he will sooner or later come to same conclusions as those of John Paul II.
    The corruption of the S.J. has gone beyond a possible reform I'm afraid. The present election is another sign of this pessimistic evaluation.

  27. Anonymous12:13 PM

    One of the reasons why no comments have supported the Jesuits is that they have been removed by the webmaster, as doubtless this will be. In his letter to the Jesuits, from which criticisms of the Society have been quoted out of context on this site and others, the Holy Father praised the Order for its work and wide apostolates. The fact that these have been ignored proves that single-issue Catholics are as selective as Protestants in what they want to emphasize.

    Fr Kovenbach acknowledged that when an Order's work is over it will die. But it will take a very long time for the Jesuits to disappear as they still have work to do which other Orders do not, or are unable to, do. Wait for the preent General Congregation to finish before presenting atavistic reactions.

  28. I seriously doubt the non-supportive posts are being removed. And I'd better money that I don't have (I am a WGA member in the third month of a strike) that this one will not be removed.

    I absolutely agree with everyone here who is angry. I am angry. If it weren't for the fact that I lost 5 pounds while fasting for the Jesuits, I'd be beyond angry.

    But I love St. Ignatius with an irrational passion, and I would no more give up and let the North American Martyrs have been tortured and killed for nothing than I'd sit here and knit while terrorists took over the country. We need the Jesuits like we have never needed them since they were founded. And many people seem to have forgotten that (a) St. Ignatius started with 7 good men and (b) nothing is impossible with God.

    Here is why the Jesuits should not be suppressed: hope is on the horizon. Go to the New Orleans Province website. Meet some of the scholastics and novices. God is calling GREAT men to this order now. Do THAT detective work. Don't focus entirely on the -- as everyone accurately points out -- rapidly aging communists.

    And here is why they should not suppressed and why we need to pray mightily for them:

    Fr. Peter J. Ryan, SJ
    Fr. Vincent Capuano, SJ
    Fr. Raymond Gawronwski, SJ
    Fr. Paul Shaughnessy, SJ
    Fr. Cornelius Buckley, SJ
    Fr. Cletus Healy, SJ
    Fr. Henry Heffernan, S.J.
    Fr. Edward T. Oakes, SJ
    Fr. Kenneth Baker, SJ
    Fr. Gregory Jordan, SJ
    Fr. Joseph Koterski, SJ
    Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio
    Fr. Paul Mankowski, SJ
    Fr. Donald J. Keefe, SJ
    Fr. Robert I. Bradley, SJ
    Fr. David Meconi, SJ
    Fr. Thomas M. King, SJ
    Fr. James Kubicki, SJ
    Fr. Mitch Pacwa, SJ
    Cardinal Avery Dulles
    Fr. John F. Kavanaugh, SJ
    Fr. Joseph Fessio, SJ
    Fr. John Hardon, SJ (RIP)
    Fr. Brian E. Daley, SJ
    Fr. Robert Spitzer, SJ
    Fr. James V. Schall, SJ

    And many more... I can't do this all day.

    These men are going through enough at the hands of their brothers. They deserve much better from us than a call to throw them out in the street because of the evils of their torturers.

    We need to do something more constructive than continue to cry "Off with their heads." How about some kind of lay movement to appeal to the Pope, since we are the ones being robbed of the order that St. Ignatius (and God) gave to us? Anyone interested? I would lead the charge with glee.

  29. That was supposed to be "I'd BET money." But you knew that.

    And looky there, there's my pro-Jesuit post!

  30. Anonymous1:16 PM

    Good words, Karen. Though I write anonymously, I am not a Jesuit but one, like you, who owes a great deal to the Order: my education, spiritual direction, good counsel, my wedding, baptism of my children. I am also trad which is why I look at this site. But I've posted two comments praising the J's, quoting from the Holy Father's letter, and both have been removed. Let's wait and see for how long ours will survive.

  31. Society of Jesus is one of the greatest religious Order established in times of infamous Reformation to serve Pope and Catholicism. Jesuits served Papacy the best they could up to V2 and were suppressed twice in their history through machinations of their powerful enemies.It is great order and that is why it is so violently attacked by the enemy and took over by modernists hierarchy. I strongly believe the Order established by Saint like Ignatius will survive. For the greater glory of God.

  32. Anonymous2:47 PM

    J-bashing has been going on for centuries; it's part of their charism to provoke hostility. However, Fr Nicolas is part of the generation that brought in the massive changes under Fr Arrupe and I think this means more of the same. A Jesuit told me he was black-balled by the Vatican during the last election but he did not know why. We shall have to wait and see. The majority of young Jesuits are great guys and they don't like the generation in power. When they take part in future Congregations the changes will start.

  33. Anonymous4:24 PM

    Here is what liberal spokesman John Allen of N.C.R. is saying about the new Jesuit General. It is confirming anything that was posted on Rorate Caeli as a serious caveat (a divine surprise for Mr Allen naturally):

    "New Jesuit leader a progressive shaped by Asia"
    A Spanish-born academic who has spent most of his career in Asia, and who is seen as an advocate for the broadly progressive theological views associated with the Asian bishops, has been elected the new Superior General of the Jesuit order."

    "A former director of the East Asian Pastoral Institute in Manila and head of the Jesuit Conference of East Asia and Oceania, Nicolás is said to be particularly close to the church in Japan. In broad strokes, Jesuit observers say he represents the theological outlook associated with the Federation of Asian Bishops’ Conferences, with emphasis on inter-religious dialogue, advocacy for justice and peace, and “inculturation” of church teachings and practices."

    In short the worst you can think of.

    We know well, at least we should know, what Abp Ranjith told us about the dreadful "inculturation" by Asian episcopates in 2007 : being an Asian himself and having watched the disastrous results.
    So we have now one of those who contributed to this monstrous orientation triumphally elected General of the Jesuits.
    I am not in the mood to rejoice like the delegates at General Congregation : "the mood among the Jesuits was "joyous, exuberant, on cloud nine." (sic, same source).

  34. This blog is not anti-Jesuit: it is pro-Jesus...

    Nonetheless, what is the problem with our little post? Isn't that what the men in the General Congregation wanted: a new Arrupe? I believe this blog was the first to call him thus, since I posted this right after his name was made public in Italian and Spanish sources, but that is it; I do not believe it was offensive.

    As for the tone of most comments here, the Jesuits have surely brought this hostility upon themselves with their post-Conciliar behavior: "Corruptio optimi pessima".

  35. Anonymous12:07 AM

    "...from which criticisms of the Society have been quoted out of context on this site and others, the Holy Father praised the Order for its work and wide apostolates."

    It would be pretty silly to remove inteligent opposing opinions. everyone would agree to that.

    But to the point... To be praised for one's work by the Holy Father is neither here nor there. The Pope would praise a Muslim charity for feeding the poor, or for its efforts promioting peace. The Jesuits do some very noble things, and the Pope will praise what is praiseworthy, not only for truth's sake, but so that no one should accuse him of being blinded by idealogy or tearing out the wheat with the chaff.

    Furthermore, there doubtlessly are a minority of excellent and faithful priests in the order.

    But if you think that the Jesuits are truely serving their original mandate at this time- which is the real issue- you are delusional. At the most basic level, the Jesuits have become their only authority, their only critic, their only judge, and this is the antithesis of their purpose.

    What are they now? Intellegent men who fight valiently for various social causes, try to challenge intelleigent student to be socially responsible, and who do it all with a more or less vague veneer of a self-justifying interpretation of Christianity/spirituality behind them.

    They are men for others, not for the Pope.


  36. Anonymous12:09 AM

    The only thing Jesuit-bashing demonstrates is the fact that the Society remains a force with which to be reckoned. I will only begin to worry about the Jesuits when blogs like this one begin to ignore them (and I don't expect that to happen for a very long time, if ever!).

    My prayers are with Fr. Adolfo Nicolas as he begins his important new mission.

  37. Karen,
    Devotion to the Jesuit order is frankly extremely dangerous. Have devotion to the saints of that order. Devotedly support the few good men who remain in this disoriented order. The call for suppression, which I have supported for decades now, is based upon fundamental principles far more important than the worldly fate of "a few good men." The few good men will remain and they will, loving God as they do, go on to do good work. The suppression of the Jesuit order because of its toleration or even embrace of heresy and its general spirit of independence and disobedience vis-a-vis the Pope would be for the good of souls. The good of souls is the good of the Church and the good of the Church is the true good of all true Jesuits.
    Give this new general one year. If, at the end of that year, he does not institute policies that are sure to swing this great vessel back to the true course that St. Ignatius et al put it on, let him and his order be released from their vows, thanked for their service and an end put to this prolonged agony. As it is in 2008 the Society of Jesus is a boil on the Mystical Body. It needs to be incised and drained and the infection it spreads be killed with the antibiotics of true Catholic doctrine and devotion.

  38. Like I keep saying, I would agree with that if I didn't know the young guys.

    I think God and St. Ignatius have different plans. I think we shouldn't impose logic on them.

  39. Anonymous1:07 AM

    Semper Fidelis...
    - "The only thing Jesuit-bashing demonstrates is the fact that the Society remains a force with which to be reckoned."
    - The only thing "reality television"-bashing demonstrates is the fact that "reality television" remains a force with which to be reckoned.
    - The only thing "fill-in-the-blank"-bashing demonstrates is the fact that "fill-in-the-blank" remains a force with which to be reckoned.
    This is the kind of non-argument that rappers make, along with, "You are just jealous," "why do you have to hate," and "you can't judge me, only God can judge me." Sure they are a force to be reckoned with, but is it any longer a force for the greater glory of God, the good of the Church, or the defense of the Pope.

  40. I kept waiting for anyone to mention the Greater Glory of God in the course of GC35. Maybe I missed it. It was certainly nowhere in Nicolas' "six hopes for the General Congregation.' (Nor was there any other mention of God, for that matter.)

    I don't think that AMDG is the Jesuit motto any longer. They have replaced it with Arrupe's "men for others." (Which I now notice has been replaced by "men and women for others" and I'm sure it will soon be replaced again by "men and women and undecideds and dogs and cats and all creatures great and small for all the other men and women and undecideds etc. etc. etc.)

    I would love to have someone explain to me why the Pope threw down the guantlet, and then approved of el nuevo Arrupe. I'm just a dumb convert. Explain to me why the Pope (God bless him) doesn't have egg on his face now, or why he hasn't hurt his credibility, or whatever.

    I just know what happens when I tell my son to shape up or he'll get a time out... and then I don't folllow through.

  41. A good comment on the irrelevance of it all in this post, by Francisco José Fernández de la Cigoña (in Spanish).


    P.S. Cosmos is certainly correct: Satan himself "remains a force with which to be reckoned"... So what? What a shallow consideration! What really matters is the salvation of souls: are the 19,000 members of the Society of Jesus helping to save more souls today than those they help to ruin?

    May the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, by the intercession of Saint Claude de la Colombière, have mercy upon those in the Church who are more concerned with vain power games than with saving souls!

  42. Anonymous11:04 AM

    AMDG - to the greater glory of God - is still the Jesuit motto. He is glorified by forming men and women for others in imitation of Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Karen, cool down a little. I can understand your perplexity. A new generation of Jesuits is coming into being and they resent the soixante-huitards as much as most of us. The New Orleans Province is a powerful sign of renewal and this is quietly happening in the majority of Jesuit provinces world wide.

    As for suppressing the Jesuits: goodbye to the Greg, the Biblicum, the Orientale for a start. Goodbye to Vatican Radio, the Vatican Observatory for seconds. The Church cannot, for the time being, do without them. And if anybody brings up the Legionaries, remember that many did their studies under Jesuits at the Greg.

    Cosmos. Why not take a few spelling lessons?

  43. Anonymous11:47 AM

    I think other people could be found to run Vatican Radio and the Vatican Observatory. The other institutions are noxious. The Pope probably did not make any efforts in connection with the election of the new Father General because he knows quite well that the order is a lost cause. As for the CAtholic Jesuits you mention; they exist because the order is quite clever, and knows that if they permit some orthodox priests to exercise a ministry, human respect for these priests, and a veneration for the great past of the order, will lead people to say 'you can't condemn the Jesuits as a whole - look at Fr. X who is great priest', etc.; thus furnishing camouflage that deters serious efforts towards their suppression. they can thus continue to exist and pursue their present mission, which is the destruction of the Catholic faith - a mission that is not seriously impeded by any of the priests you mention.

  44. John: I've heard people make that case, but it's not true. I know too many people who have been kicked out or refused Final Vows, or who have had to wait for decades for Final Vows while their superiors tried to find a way to kick them out. The orthodox Jesuits are there because the ones in power can't find a way to get rid of them. THEN they might point to them and say, "Oh, but we have Fr. Orthodox, SJ."

    It took Fr. Fessio 41 years to make Final Vows. I know several others who waited 3 decades. Fr. Mankowski is still technically a scholastic and has been waiting for 30+ years for Final Vows. Given this weeks developments, those who are waiting will keep waiting, unless they are dismissed, which is entirely possible after decades and frequently threatened.

    I'm not ready to "cool down." I'm sick of watching my orthodox friends being treated so badly, just for loving the Church. And I am angry because Cardinal Rode and the Pope gave me some hope and now we will have God knows how many years of another Pedro Arrupe.

  45. Anonymous3:28 PM

    Eye-witness account of the Prayer of Thanksgiving after Fr. Nicolas's election (from Creighton University's GC35 site):

    This ceremony of thanksgiving began in the curia’s Chapel of St. Francis Borgia with a musical setting of Ad majorem Dei gloriam [For the Greater Glory of God]

    Father General then introduced the prayer service in Italian:
    "Blessed be the Lord at all times!"

    We all responded:
    "His praise be always on our lips!" (From Ps. 34:2)

    There followed musical settings of the “Glory be to the Father . . .” and Pss. 150 and 116 with an Alleluia responsorial.

    After a period of silent prayer, one of the electors led us in a litany of the saints of the Society.

    Father General then prayed in the name of the whole Society that, through the intercession of Mary our Mother and Queen and of Saint Ignatius and all our saints and blesseds, God bless "this least Society, which you have deigned to call to your service, and have invited into the world under the banner of the cross to inflame the hearts of men and women with the fire of the gospel. Grant, O most merciful Lord, that always united with you in prayer and in every deed, we might love and serve you in all things and eternally praise your faithfulness."

    We then all sang the Salve Regina. [A hymn to Mary: Hail, Holy Queen]

    Father General gave a final blessing, and one of the electors assistants dismissed us with
    "In the name of the Lord, go in peace."

    To which we replied,
    "Thanks be to God."

    To which I will only add: Amen!

  46. Anonymous8:00 PM

    Everybody gets bashed to some extent. The issue is who is doing the bashing and why. When the most devout Catholics (pro-life, anti-homosexual, family oriented Catholics who love and defend Catholic tradition, often at great sacrifice) are bashing you because you are sickeningly corrupt, you are the problem.

    Why would anyone worried about their soul want to be a Jesuit today?

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  48. Anonymous7:05 AM

    The Jesuits may not be what they once were but let us not condemn the entire order based on forty years of their obsession with social justice. The Jesuits have given much to our faith, and continue to be instrumental in many good works the world over. Even for a more orthodox point of view we have men like Fr. Fessio SJ who established Ignatius Press and Catholic World Report. Losing the Jesuits would be a loss for the Church, not all of them are bachelor socialists, there are many good in their number who simply want to build the Kingdom with us all.

  49. Anonymous11:48 AM

    An orthodoz Jesuit once told me that when the world stops hating them they will begin to worry. They are the Society of Jesus, after all, and the world hated him with an intensity that pinned him to the cross.


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