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Not infrequently, information outlets attribute to "the Vatican", meaning by this the Holy See, comments and points of view which cannot be automatically attributed to it. In fact, the Holy See, when intending to express itself authoritatively, uses particular means and related formats (communiqués, notes, declarations).

Any other pronouncement does not have the same worth.

Even lately, inopportune attributions have taken place. The Holy See, in its representative organs, expresses respect for the civil authorities, who in their legitimate autonomy have the right and the duty of providing for the common good.


  1. Anonymous3:20 PM

    I could be wrong, but the last paragraph suggests to me that what prompted this clarification was the recent criticism by Archbishop Agostino Marchetto (secretary of the Pontifical Council for Migrants) of an emergency law that the Italian government passed yesterday toughening up sentences for convicted rapists and approving civilian security patrols (the left in Italy sees the latter measure as an endorsement of fascist gangs, since these volunteer groups have been linked to the right wing Northern Alliance).

    These new laws are a response to recent series of violent rapes in Italy. The suspects in these crimes are immigrants, apparently Muslims. The left is condemning the new laws as anti-immigrant, as apparently is Archbishop Marchetto. Thus, the Italian press have been reporting that "the Vatican" and the leftists are aligned against Berlusconi on this matter.

    Berlusconi, who recently made an enormous effort to save Eluana Englaro (partly, it is said, in response to Vatican pressure), probably does not appreciate this. This note from Fr. Lombardi looks to me like a smoke signal to Berlusconi that means "Marchetto doesn't speak for the Pope."

  2. Anonymous3:21 PM

    So, is "Clarity, at last" meant to be ironic? RC is an essential, reliable and honorable source of important information. I experience a degree of sorrow when it (or similar trusted persons or organs) leaves me in doubt about the characater of the information offered in it.
    If it is meant ironically, ignorant persons such as myself would value a context that described the number of persons in the Vatican who might be used by a hostile press as attributions, the nature of a project to stop such use and the task facing HH in marshalling the whole Vatican staff to open their minds to the larger project of saving the Church and Western Civilization.

  3. Anonymous3:23 PM

    I do not understand Vaticanese.

    This could be interpreted as meaning that Argentina was acting for the common good in expelling Bishop Williamson, and that the Holy See respects their legitimate autonomy to do so.

    Clarity indeed!

  4. Anonymous4:02 PM

    Is this referring to the ordeal in Austria or to Nancy Pelosi?

  5. Anonymous4:43 PM

    More confusing chatter. Perhaps, if Rome spoke clearly we would not ALL be prattling like a bunch of old ladies over the back fence.

  6. First Anon, I concur with your analysis. Regardless of the context, though, it is good to see that the Holy See begins to clarify the constant attributions to "the Vatican" in the world media.

  7. Anonymous5:50 PM

    I work in a press office and my question is: What the He-l does that even mean?!?!?!?

  8. Anonymous6:00 PM

    May I please ask, clarity on what, praytell?

  9. Considering that an interview with janitor of the Vatican Museum is being treated by the media, and internet bloggers as "the Vatican", I think this statement is crystal clear and there's no reason to suspect irony.

  10. Anonymous6:19 PM

    A while back, a priest who does astronomy for the Vatican commented on the theological ramifications of the discovery of significant beings whose physical origin is not this planet. The comment was made in an interview with L'Osservatore Romano, and its consequence in the media was headlines proclaiming the Vatican as having assured everyone that a conviction that such beings do or could exist is in no way contradictory to Catholic theology. Media persons who attributed the comment to the Vatican were not aware of what Lombardi explains in this statement. Lombardi is almost certainly not referring to this particular incident because it is a several month-old story. However, it is an example of that to which he IS referring.

  11. Anonymous6:21 PM

    If this is "clarity," I'd hate to see their idea of ambiguity. As the comments already posted indicate, there is only confusion added to confusion - with each reader free to jump to his own conclusion. But then, that's the new "Vaticanese" for you. Why cannot the Holy See just come right out and say what it means, and name names when doing so? I am fed up with the pussy-footing, egg-shell walking sensitivity of the conciliarists.

  12. Anonymous7:24 PM

    Why can't the Vatican just say:



    We must take in in oxygen and expell C02 to correctly respirate.

    black is not white?

    To me that seems like clarity,


    "the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church."

    Most laymen know what 1+1=2 is.

    Most laymen would not know what,

    "the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church." means.

    Christ was very clear what he meant in the Gospel.

    Should'nt His Church be clear as well?

  13. Anonymous7:29 PM

    By the way it is a great nuisance that curials are available for interviews with secular media. As it is egregious that in fact
    confidential matters are often if not permanently leaked to "Vaticanistas". And the quixotic comments of Marchetto , Maertino etc are no better than expendable.

  14. Anonymous7:49 PM

    Probably also dealing with very recent comments regarding Charles Darwin and evolution. Don

  15. Maybe it is also all the rubbish posted on many blog-sites in regard of recent happenings.

  16. It is very difficult to understand how so many people have complained about is meant and asked where is the clarity...

    Anyone who has had to take up the difficult task of explaining to a heathen, who intends to subjugate you via your superiors: "the Vatican", that their news-paper-and-programme standard argument is not quite so iron-cast as they have imagined - shall see the clarity. I have already returned to an older discussion quoting Father Lombardi, S.I., and I look forward to quoting him, verbatim, again when needed. I should like also to say those who do not think there is any clarity in the notice, as they expect, instead, sensational, context-transcending pronouncements - you do not know the power of a sentence and must be perfectly numb to prudence. You have become so accustomed to yellow journalism you expect it of the Holy See!

    As well - if you all do not understand the lines so well, why must you insist on reading between them? It is all monumentally silly, all these over-interested misinterpretations. Pelosi, Charles Darwin, Williamson and Argentina...

    Really now.


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