Rorate Caeli

Do not come to Rome
Instead, be charitable

Almsgiving is one of the major Christian precepts, particularly in Lent. So how can one not be touched by the request the new Pope made to the bishops, and all the faithful, of his home country by way of the Nuncio in Buenos Aires today? (Naturally, a gesture of charity is not limited to almsgiving: prayers and plain warmth can go a long way.)

As reported once again by our friends at Página Católica:

Apostolic Nunciature
Buenos Aires

Buenos Aires, March 14, 2013

Your Excellency,

I have the honor and the satisfaction of turning to you to inform you that the Holy Father Francis has asked me to transmit to all Bishops, Priests, Religious men and women, and to all the People of God his cherished recognition for the prayers and the expressions of warmth, affection, and charity that he has received. At the same time, he would wish that, instead of going to Rome for the beginning of his Pontificate next March 19, you may keep this spiritual closeness that is so much appreciated, accompanying it with some gesture of charity towards the neediest.

I take this joyful opportunity to vouch to you my sentiments of respectful attention.

+Emil Paul Tscherrig
Apostolic Nuncio


  1. There are moments in life when charity and humility or lack thereof can be misinterpreted. We learn the differences as part of our becoming adult.
    It never occurred to me that dressing down for church might be my way of being humble. Or father asking his children to skip visiting him for the sake of charity. Nice one. I am expecting to read more on the profoundly humble and charitable actions as we move further into the pontificate.
    Or, I can correct my being a smartass and keep drinking kool-aid and wearing rose-colored glasses.

  2. Poverty in Argentina is deplorable, sad, and scandalous.

    Pope Francis is spot-on.

  3. I love Ms. Barnhardt's writings, but I think that she has a bit of a problem with 'youthful enthusiasm.' It is refreshing to hear someone speak their mind, and pull no punches, yet at the same time, the level certitude and black and white thinking she displays makes me cringe a bit.

    Overall, I don't really expect things to improve overnight. I think we could have a lot worse in a pope, and I think that the position, by itself, will change a man. For example, whatever his past attitude, I don't expect Pope Francis to do anything much against tradition. Just as, if Cardinal Ranjith was elected, I would not expect any great reversals in the Novus Ordo Mass.

    Generally, I think we all have to buckle down and lead personally holy lives. Then, after much turmoil and more obvious chastisement, we'll get an Angelic Shepherd, along with a new council, to set things right.

    Aside from that, hearing that he leads a simple life suggests that he may lead others to do so as well. If you got the money, luxury, and easy living out of the church, the sodomites would remove themselves on their own. Self discipline and self mortification has never been a characteristic associated with homosexuals.

  4. "…such is the nature of man, that, without external helps, he cannot easily be raised to the meditation of divine things; therefore has holy Mother Church instituted certain rites … [and] likewise employed ceremonies, such as mystic benedictions, lights, incense, vestments, and many other things of this kind, derived from an apostolic discipline and tradition, whereby both the majesty of so great a sacrifice might be recommended, and the minds of the faithful be excited, by those visible signs of religion and piety, to the contemplation of those most sublime things which are hidden in this sacrifice." (Council of Trent session XXII)

    Minimizing these "external helps" thus makes it harder to "be raised to the meditation of divine things".

    Also, what then-Card. Bergoglio said reminds me of this: "There came to him a woman having an alabaster box of precious ointment, and poured it on his head as he was at table. And the disciples seeing it, had indignation, saying: To what purpose is this waste? For this might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. And Jesus knowing it, said to them: Why do you trouble this woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me." (Matt. 26:7-10).

  5. Benedict Carter12:30 AM

    Due to the socialism of Kirchner and her populist freaks, the Argentinian economy is not far off being a basket-case. The letter shows some solidarity with the victims of economic mismanagement and corruption there.

    Look, if Pope Francis is of the type who, having been elected, will roll up his sleeves and get on with clearing out the trash, I am not going to quibble too much if his coronation (or whatever it is now called) is on the plain side.

    He's called himself Francis and he means us to take that identification with the Saint seriously.

  6. Plus, a "gesture of charity" may mean many things. For those who are healthy, it may mean spending a night taking care of an invalid.


  7. Hank Igitur12:41 AM

    It looks like he is going to break the traditions of the Papacy in the name of "humility".

  8. I suspect his pontificate will be seen as a transitional one. He's 76 after all. I can't see how his legacy will be long-lasting.

  9. Anonymous12:48 AM

    The comment by Ann makes me depressed. Giving poor people free stuff is commanded by Christ. The economic collapse will not come because charity paralyzes the poor and makes them lazy, but because of greed and materialism. Oppressing the poor is one of the sins that cries to heaven for vengeance and this is proof enough for me that criticizing globalisation is not just for hippies, it is also for Catholics. Having a society based on buying stuff that is produced by people living from slave wages on a different continent is perverted and disgusting - it is the economic equivalent of homosexuality and pedophilia - simply put evil and unnatural...

    I agree with the comment by Anchorite - A father asking you not to visit him is not necessarily a sign of humility. Obeying him surely is however...


  10. Fides quaerens1:15 AM

    NC, you say: How can one not be touched? Well, it seems like some here are indeed untouched...alas, hearts of stone are not the missing ingredient in the restoration of tradition for which we all yearn. I agree: it is touching, and a timely reminder of the great *tradition* of almsgiving. Cardinal Ranjith apparently identified love of the liturgy and love of the poor as the two "foci" of his priesthood (I don't recall the exact word; and of course we all know "poor people" even if we don't live amongst the materially destitute, since the spiritual poverty of the contemporary world or the internet is there for all to see). With an attitude like Cardinal Ranjith's, lived convincingly, the future of traditional Catholicism will be secure. And if you don't like Pope Francis, then take it from Pope Benedict XVI's "Deus Caritas Est".

  11. Jason C.1:17 AM

    What a great gesture.

    Some of the commenters here might be taking care of themselves as invalids after their knees jerk up so violently at words like charity and social justice.

    Take it easy, people. There is such a thing as Catholic social teaching--deal with it. Its abuse at the hands of enemies of the Faith does not negate its proper use: abusus non tollit usum.

  12. O Tempora1:57 AM

    It never occurred to me that dressing down for church might be my way of being humble. Or father asking his children to skip visiting him for the sake of charity.

    The Holy Father didn't ask his children not to visit him, he asked them to help ease the suffering of their brethren instead.


  13. I haven't seen the material poverty in Argentina, or the spiritual, but I assume it is great in places. "Giving people free stuff" is not what Christ commanded us to do; he commanded us to love one another. It is much deeper than "stuff." In the matter of corporal works of mercy, it does include feeding the hungry, comforting the afflicted, etc. But it does not mean giving a man a fish every day instead of teaching him how to fish, so he can feed himself and his family. Christ was not naive and also knew, as one poster said, that the poor would always exist.

    During Lent I think Francis's gesture here is very sensible and shows a certain calm and good judgment. He doesn't want all the focus on him as opposed to Christ and our brothers around us who are suffering from one affliction or another.

  14. Common Sense2:01 AM

    bill said:

    I love Ms. Barnhardt's writings, but I think that she has a bit of a problem with 'youthful enthusiasm.' It is refreshing to hear someone speak their mind, and pull no punches, yet at the same time, the level certitude and black and white thinking she displays makes me cringe a bit.

    Well Bill, I appreciate Ms. Barnhardts' coment even if you don't.She genuenly states the fact not like some useless and gutless armchair philosophers advocating to stick our necks under the babylonian yoke and to tie our hands behind the back, play holy and do nothing. Working hard as a tradsman I've got to earn the money first before I decide how to spend it.People who refuse to do something usefull for the benefits they recieve from others are not entitled to anything.Only reprobate babylonian marxists and likeminded thugs think that robbing
    others is OK!

  15. Lynda2:52 AM

    Many of us Faithful are also materially poor.

  16. The poor cannot afford to fly to Rome, but charity the poor can do.

    They are often better at it than the rich.

  17. Anonymous3:11 AM

    Each situation in each nation is unique. The faith, piety, and joy of the people can cloud prudence. I could imagine a poor parish in Argentina taking up a meger collection and sacrificing in order to send one member of the community to Rome even if it meant doing without food for a day. I imagine that the Holy Father will make a stop in his native land around World Youth Day. His message might be better interpreted as... No, take care of yourselves and your family and I will come to see you

  18. heardthat3:21 AM

    I suspect his pontificate will be seen as a transitional one. He's 76 after all. I can't see how his legacy will be long-lasting."

    Yeah. I heard that in 1958.

  19. " instead of going to Rome may ...." - this type of false humility can justify any radical dismantling of "Catholic bastions."
    Instead of celebrating Mass properly, you may .... feed the hungry; instead of wearing proper vestments, wear polyester sheets...
    Any anti-Catholic move can be justified to the secular progressive world with such "humble" reasoning.

  20. "I suspect his pontificate will be seen as a transitional one. He's 76 after all. I can't see how his legacy will be long-lasting"

    I heard the same thing about Bl. John XXIII. He called the Council that forever changed the Church.

  21. After a pilgrimage to Rome, where St Francis of Assisi joined the poor in begging at the doors of the churches, he said he had a mystical vision of Jesus Christ in the country chapel of San Damiano, just outside of Assisi, in which the Icon of Christ Crucified said to him, "Francis, Francis, go and repair My house which, as you can see, is falling into ruins."

    Thank God St Francis was able to make pilgrimage, and tend to the needy, and also to set to work repairing the Lords 'ruined' house.

  22. Benedict Carter said...

    Due to the socialism of Kirchner and her populist freaks, the Argentinian economy is not far off being a basket-case. The letter shows some solidarity with the victims of economic mismanagement and corruption there.

    Look, if Pope Francis is of the type who, having been elected, will roll up his sleeves and get on with clearing out the trash, I am not going to quibble too much if his coronation (or whatever it is now called) is on the plain side.

    He's called himself Francis and he means us to take that identification with the Saint seriously

    It will also depend on what he considers trash.

  23. Benedict Carter said, "Look, if Pope Francis is of the type who, having been elected, will roll up his sleeves and get on with clearing out the trash, I am not going to quibble too much if his coronation (or whatever it is now called) is on the plain side. He's called himself Francis and he means us to take that identification with the Saint seriously."

    We need to clear up something here. We must not confuse the externals of "the plain side" or doing something on the cheap with St Francis and the manner in which he did things.

    St Francis embraced the entire Sacred Tradition and Teachings of the Church, and as he grew in his spiritual life, he saw all the more how important they were. He didn't run around moaning up about the Mass and how it was said. St Francis didn't run around besmirching those who had money but the way they misspent it. As St Francis eschewed wealth and embraced poverty, did not condemn those who did have wealth and desired to bring about a system to deprive everyone else of their money and equalize everyone's misery. You know, like the present-day liberal/modernists.

    The Holy Father just may be caught up in externals but we still need to see what his actions are in relation to his minimizing of externals.

  24. The message is dated March 13, the day of Francis' election to the See of Peter which he had delivered to Rome's Chief Rabbi, Riccardo Di Segni.

    After informing Rabbi Di Segni of the inauguration Mass to take place March 19, the Holy Father said: "Trusting in the protection of the Most High, I very much hope to be able to contribute to the progress that relations between Jews and Catholics have experienced since the Second Vatican Council, in a spirit of renewed collaboration and at the service of a world that can be ever more harmonious with the will of the Creator."

    Here we go. Renewed collaboration... can be ever more harmonious with the will of the Creator. Could it be the Holy Father may wish to tell them the only means of salvation is through the Lord Jesus Christ, True God and True Man? If he is as doctrinally sound as he's touted, then he may be looking for the tipping point where this will be stated. On the other hand...

  25. I think some of us are forgetting how recent the idea of going to Rome en masse to see the Pope is. And what a decadent use of money it is. I too would like to see the red cape thing and the stole, and beautiful vestments etc. They are for God. But we don't need to go to Rome to see the Pope. It's not a 'tradition' that is being set aside. It's as traditional as modern means of transport. 'Good on you, Holy Father', I say to this. And I am not a Pollyanna!

  26. He appears to be a hardcore supporter of what Romano Amerio calls "Secondary Christianity."

    Also, from a Atila Sinke Guimarães article on the Miserablist Church:
    «This Miserablist Church is not something new. Paul VI had already thought it necessary for the Catholic Church to abandon her symbols of sacrality in order to "not scandalize the people." He suggested that Vatican City with its magnificent Basilica, priceless history, extraordinary Palaces, and many work of arts should be abandoned. In fact, Paul VI affirmed that "the Pope should leave the Vatican, along with those who inhabit it," and "should go to live for some time with his seminarians, with his people at St. John Lateran …. At St. John’s, his cathedral, he should inaugurate a new way of governing the Church in the manner of Peter who was poor" (Evidence of this and other points on the Poor Church can be found in my book Animus delendi I, Los Angeles: TIA, 2000, pp. 399-400). By the way, this Poor Church was also the ideal of Judas Iscariot, who, when he saw St. Mary Magdalene washing the feet of Our Lord with a precious perfume, proposed that it be sold to give the money to the poor. Was it really a love for the poor? This was not exactly what the Gospel of St. John (12:6) affirmed…»

    He might as well go to Avignon, Argentina…

  27. Gratias7:19 AM

    We can expect priests will stop wearing cassocks in the Vatican. In the name of humility ancient treasures could be squandered. Pope Francisco should act according to the dignity of his office. His appearance at the balcony and first mass were below par. Not a great dresser or communicator. His Italian seems heavily accented to me, as is his Latin.

    Benedict did not choose his Cardinals wisely, it seems. How could this bus rider get elected by two-thirds?

  28. After that, I wonder if any argentinian will show up in Rome next week...

  29. Gratias,

    My family are Italian and I speak it fluently. The Holy Father had no strongly apparent accent when he spoke Italian at all..


  30. Francis is not of that radical secular, materialist persuasion that he would "sell all the treasures in the Vatican" to "feed the poor." I'm not worried about that. Apart from the fact that doing so would only feed the world's poor for a few days, it is the materially poor who protest the loudest when beautiful churches are taken away. He will not be selling St. Peter's, the Pieta or the frescoes in the Sistine Chapel.

  31. Ma Tucker11:51 AM

    He loves our Lady. After he reads the third secret I'm sure he will become a little more nuanced. As regards poverty in Argentina - there is a reason for this poverty and I dare say disgusting liturgical abuse is a great fuel for it. Give God His due worship. God will not be mocked. Members of the clergy that bring this calamity on the faithful will get their just deserts. Meanwhile the innocent carry the can as always. The fact is God will never stop wanting your good but you have to stop spitting in his face and truly accept He is God. Give him due worship. Build his house BEFORE you build you own.

    1. Just because someone loves something does not mean that they either understand it or apply it correctly. It appears that there is much about both human psychology and the Catholic Church that this Pope is misinterpreting. But then there is absolutely no reason for thinking that a properly formed person would come out of the Argentina of 20th century Argentina. God help the church because it is doubtful wheather Bergoglio will.

  32. Benedict Carter:
    Due to the socialism of Kirchner and her populist freaks, the Argentinian economy is not far off being a basket-case.
    The economy of Argentina has growth of 9% a year, and relatively low unemployment.

    It defaulted on its debts after the millennium bubble but nine years later, Argentina's real GDP has grown by about 90 percent, the fastest in the hemisphere. Employment is at record levels, and both poverty and extreme poverty have been reduced by two-thirds. Social spending, adjusted for inflation, has nearly tripled.

    All this is probably why Cristina Kirchner was re-elected last October in a landslide victory.

  33. But you are a chosen generation, a kingly priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people: that you may declare his virtues, who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    There is not one decadent thing about a citizen of a holy nation going on a pilgrimage to his earthly capital; that aside, I am willing to take Our Holy Father at face value and to compliment him on his charity and concern for the poor.

  34. Benedict did not choose his Cardinals wisely,..

    The entirety of the College of Cardinals was chosen by Pope Blessed John Paul II and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and they elected Borgolio.

    What does that say about our last two Popes?

  35. Anonymous1:14 PM

    Anyone think that maybe the letter is being sent out so there there may be an excuse when only a very few from his diocese who up for the occasion? After all, it seems that he "destroyed" much of His flock's faith from what I have read...


  36. Rom, I will have to translate that to share with my cousins, uncles, grandparents, and friends who are still in Argentina for a good laugh.

    For those unaware, the Kirchner government publicizes shameless lies as economic statistics, shuts down critical press, and relies totally on the 50% taxes levied on the agricultural producers, and on global commodity prices. Over the last year the acreage planted in the country has dropped by a third, violent crime and corruption are at unprecedented levels, real estate is neither bought nor sold in the country due to the quickly-inflating peso and a government ban on foreign currencies. The government also introduced government-paid sex reassignment surgeries and gay marriage.

  37. Anonymous1:33 PM

    By the way--the elements of Catholic Social Teaching do not overcome the teaching of Quas primas. They go together. That is, one cannot simply give over to the secular state the prerogatives and duties of the Catholic state. We have too long quoted these elements out of association. Secularism perverts all our charity and this discussion over charity cannot be carried over to our own current political struggle. The only way we can balance the demands of Catholic social teaching with all of Catholic teaching is to resume the call for the Restoration, to form a third party calling for a religious state, and abandon our current political loyalties, which are based on the lie that we can build the house without God. Oh, I forgot to add, 'and prepare to die' to the list. Maybe not so many, though. I want you to consider Hungary, which has, supported by a big majority of Hungarians, taken many steps recently to restore Christianity at the center of their country, to end predatory lending, to stop the homosexual agenda (just gay marriage and gay adoption, not gay incarceration, please), to stop abortion. And the last two weeks Vatican Radio has ATTACKED them non-stop, just before a vote in parliament patching some holes in the new constitution and abandoning none of their principles. Non stop, when they should be supporting them. We could weep. I am raising it in this context because we too will carry this discussion over without realizing we can't apply those social teachings without also calling for Christ the King. Doesn't work otherwise. Quas primas says. I'm trying to say that such a thing is possible, look at Hungary. This is why the doctrinal dispute over religious liberty matters--I mean, the practical area where its implications take on flesh. The new teaching on religious liberty gives up the religious state, but nobody told us that means giving up the moderate socialism Pius said was indistinguishable from Catholic (state) economic policy, in Quadragesimo ano (p. 113 and 114, I just looked it up for a friend). The secular state can't have the authority of the religious state--far too dangerous to give a mob without foundational Christian principles such power, look what's already happened.

  38. Susan1:55 PM

    "My family are Italian and I speak it fluently. The Holy Father had no strongly apparent accent when he spoke Italian at all."

    Well, he would speak Italian without an accent because he's Italian, not Spanish. His parents were Italian immigrants to Argentina. I'm sure Italian was his first language.

  39. I'm sure the Romans will really thank him gor discouraging their economy by disinviting the faithful. Good one, Pope Frank. Frankly umimpressed.

  40. John Paul The Third3:37 PM

    Here is my public appeals to Pope Francis:

    Please command all of the youth, not to attend WYD13, as their travel's expenses should be donated to the poor and needy

    Confine yourself,my beloved Pope Francis, to live and govern the Universal Church at Archbasilica St.John Lateran only to reduce budget in electricity usages.Expenses are large if you're using a large Basilica such like St.Peter's Basilica.

    Please do not organize Assisi Inter-religious Meeting because it is costly and the money should be donated to the sick and the poor.Send them(all non-Catholic leaders) a letter not to come and travels to Assisi's Meeting.

    Please do not use shoes,use sandals.

    Please do not use bus and any vehicle using oil,use your own feet as it is not using any oil.You know,oil's prices not so cheap.Travel all over the World with your own feet.

    I'm happy for you that you are very humble,but it is lacking and visibly hypocrite doings if you are not continue to observe my sincere appeals with real actions.

    John Paul The Third.

  41. Lynda5:02 PM

    Charity in all its aspects is local and personal. The state is not capable of such a function.

  42. Anonymous5:45 PM

    @ Lynda, could you please give your Catholic source to say that the (Catholic) state may never administer charity, and that charity must be 'local and personal'?

  43. et cum spirit 2205:53 PM

    Gospel of St. John, Chapt 12:

    [4] Then one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, he that was about to betray him, said: [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

    [6] Now he said this, not because he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and having the purse, carried the things that were put therein. [7] Jesus therefore said: Let her alone, that she may keep it against the day of my burial. [8] For the poor you have always with you; but me you have not always.

    1. Anonymous3:10 AM

      Judas was resentful of the money spent on Christ. Pope Francis is just saying please do not spend the money for me. Isn't that entirely different?


  44. @Common Sense:

    I am glad to see that in interpreting my comment through your own perspective, you were able to add a bit of excitement to your life. ;-)

    I read Ms. Barnhardt's writings regularly, but I try not to take them too seriously. She has very good points, and her heart is in the right place. But what are her qualifications? She came to notice because she closed her cattle broker/financer/whatever business in the wake of the MFGlobal scandal - a business that she had run for less than three years. Not much of a track record. She converted to Catholicism (Deo Gratias!!) due to the example provided by her mentor in the cattle business. She is certainly on the right track, but she does have a limited amount of time being an expert on all things Catholic and superfunrockband churches. Indeed, many of the criticisms she pours forth upon our Holy Father happened before she was Catholic. While she may be correct, it is true that she converted since that time. Does she not see the prudence of granting that Cardinal Bergoglio may see things a bit differently now that he is the Pope? The same changes can happen in any person's life. And I rather expect that the graces poured out by the Holy Spirit upon our Pope are different in kind and degree than those poured out upon Ms. Barnhardt, myself, or you.

    I think everyone should take a deep breath and humbly accept the providence of God, at least until such time as there is a clear need to object to any ill-advised action that our new Pope takes.

    God Bless you and Ms. Barnhardt.

  45. Kathleen7:20 PM

    While I appreciate the concern, personally I'm not short of breath, and it appears that there are indeed "ill-advised actions" being legitimately cited by readers here.

    For instance the immediate discard of restored traditional vestments and Altar in favor of 60's inspired novelties.

    It is perfectly natural to wish to avert one's gaze from this, but it is there.

    And it does not require shortness of breath to acknowledge it.

  46. Benedict Carter7:21 PM

    It's an interesting discussion about charity and humility, but I really do think it's better that we do attach this or that view to the person of the Holy Father until we have seen him in action. Please let's TRY to exercise some basic charity of thought towards him. Sorry to sound pompous, I am the world's worst at following my own advice.

  47. Rom,

    Check your facts please. The figures issued by the Argentinean government are completely false :

    also here :

    Don’t lie to me Argentina.

  48. I don't have to donate large sums to the poor in order to be too poor to visit Rome myself. I have never been there, and do not expect to ever have the funds to travel to Rome. There is something about raising a large Catholic family on one modest income that tends to make you more of an expert on charity (at least the monetary kind) than any prelate, especially a bishop or a pope.
    Frankly, had I long ago taken the "vows of poverty" that I see many Franciscans embracing, I would have led a life of considerably more ease! Call me a cynic, but these appeals to charity from others ring hollow in my ears. It's like telling somebody else what he should give up for Lent.

  49. Benedict Carter7:50 PM


    " ... I really do think it's better that we do NOT attach this or that view to the person of the Holy Father ...".

  50. Parochus Sollicitus8:18 PM

    We do well to remember that assisting others whether spiritually or materially and calling it "charity" is a secondary usage of the word. Charity is principally the sanctifying grace of God's love.

    "Doing charity" toward others is only truly charity if it is motivated by the love of God, the non-derivative sense of the word charity. When the charity of God is present as the supernatural motive for benevolent action toward others than these actions are worthy of the description "charitable".

    Charity is not just a throw-away word to be treated with worldly ambiguity unintentionally or not. If we are not precise in this understanding, it is much more difficult to see, understand and desire progress in holiness both individually and corporately.

    In my perhaps hasty opinion the Internet is a tremendous tool for growing in knowledge; neutral for gaining understanding; and on balance a lousy tool for growing in the habit of sharing the good will of the Lord God. The last habit we must bring, please God, to the Internet.

  51. GQ Rep9:29 PM

    "I suspect his pontificate will be seen as a transitional one. He's 76 after all. I can't see how his legacy will be long-lasting"

    This could be true....but remember this is what people thought about John XXIII when he was first elected. And he surprised the whole Church and the world.
    Granted, what came from Vatican II and it's abuses was not at all what John XXIII intended (not by a longshot). But he surprised the world because everyone thought he was going to be a "caretaker Pope", a "do nothing Pope" because of his age at election...77.
    He only lasted 4 1/2 years....and more than likely Pope Francis I will not last long either, but let us hope he is a Pope of good surprises....and not horrible ones.

    His praying at the tomb of Pope St. Pius V in Santa Maria Maggiore yesterday was nothing what I would have expected of least what I have read. Not even Benedict XVI (or least of all John Paul II), did that!!

    Wouldn't it be a monumentally good surprise, if one day we read that Pope Francis I had made a pronouncement about the Tridentine Latin Mass in the life of the Catholic Church which was very positive, and went way beyond Summorum Pontificum.
    The liberals would hate him.

    Some already do after only 2 days for the following reasons:
    1). He prayed at the tomb of Pope St. Pius V

    2). He is against gay marriage (listen to them rant about that on CNN and MSNBC!!!!), He's against abortion, contraception, pre-marital sex, and the idea of "women priests".

    So he has his enemies already.

    On the other hand, the Jews already like him because of his outreach to them.

  52. McCall10:05 PM

    @ GQ Rep

    He also prayed to Our Lady right away, blessed an unborn baby, slammed the NGO style "church" of liberation theology in his first homily, and publically mentioned the devil multiple times, all of which sound hopeful to me.

  53. Common Sense1:12 AM

    Dear Rom,

    Since governments don't produce tangible money, in such case where did Christina Kirchner get it from to stimulate the economy? Unless she raised the taxes and sold off public utilities, where did the money then come from?

  54. Anonymous5:40 AM

    Pride attacks us where we are strong-even where we are good. A man is not humble who refuses to wear or appreciate a beautiful garment he is full of pride. Has one ever met an unselfish egoist? At this point I am praying and hoping this is not a continued theme from Pope Francis, but he has exhibited this behavior the past few days. I hope to see that he is humbled by the grandness of his office as it is much bigger than he.

    In regards to Ms. Barnhardt I find it odd that someone who doesn't take her too seriously makes the time to read her commentary and loves her "writing". Also odd is to disparage her "qualifications"(and twisting,belittling the reason for conversion) for voicing her opinion with a certitude which makes them uncomfortable. Even more odd is to finish off with a blessing. Someone with such passive aggressive tendencies should really be the one taking a deep breath.

  55. Does anyone else find it a bit disconcerting that on the one hand the Holy Father wrote quickly to the Chief Rabbi of Rome, inviting him to his Installation Mass, yet on the other he asked the bishops of Argentina not to come?

  56. Common Sense1:01 AM

    Bill, I already have a canonized patron Saint in heaven.At this stage I haven't acquired any need as yet to be patronized by someone still dweling on planet Earth.

  57. JRCharousek3:49 PM

    Reading some of the comments on this blog, they do appear rather nasty. Is this what the Catholic Church is about? What about rallying behind a leader who was selected with the guidance of the holy spirit?


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