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Man Refused (again) Hand Communion at Papal Mass

H/T Kneeling Catholic:

I keep waiting for one of Pope Francis' balloon-masses..... but instead I keep seeing Masses with lots of Latin and only kneeling people receiving Holy Communion from the Holy Father! ...


@ 1hour 57min 39 sec you can see once again--as last week-- someone being reminded to receive Holy Communion on the tongue... [Rorate note: even stronger, he was denied in the hand, not just reminded, a good sign]


To be sure, there are the 'crowd-pleasing-priests' eg @ 1hour 57min 08sec, who distribute Holy Communion any-old-way, but it is clear that there is a standing directive to distribute on the tongue which certain priests take it upon themselves to contravene. ... 


59 comments:

  1. Anonymous4:16 PM

    It was also pleasant to see during the Credo at, "incarnatus est..." where one kneels in the Tridentine Mass, the pope and those around them reverently bow their heads, just like Pope Benedict.

    B.Dang

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  2. Unfortunately, not all of the priests are distributing exclusively on the tongue

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  3. This is wonderful news. The sung Paternoster in Latin was exactly as Benedict's. Pope Francis offered the host only when kneeling, on the tongue and by intinction. Most priests gave the host on the tongue. I am relieved to see this. Gracias Papa Francisco!

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  4. I have never been one who embraced separatist or schismatic thoughts. For a while, I had serious reservations about Pope Francis, and unfortunately gave consideration to these ideas. It is reassuring to see some sense of continuity to allay my fears.

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  5. And at 1.57.10 you clearly see two people receive in the hand. Clearly - in both cases, a decision made by the priest...

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  6. Anonymous5:23 PM

    Folks, Kneeling Catholic clearly states that some are receiving in the hand. He also rightly points out that these priests must be defying the papal order, while others are rightly being obedient.

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  7. How do you know that the priests who distributed the Host on the tongue took it upon themselves to do so and they have been the ones who contravened not giving it in the Hand like the video also illustrates that many others priest did. Or maybe the method of distribution was left open to the individual priest1

    Maybe the 'ballon' type Masses will rebegin when he visits Brazil later in the Year!

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  8. Anonymous6:17 PM

    D. Harold, charity towards the Pope requires us to believe those that did it right are following his orders and those that didn't are breaking them, unless there's proof otherwise.

    And, for the gentlemen who keeps trying to comment that "it's still the Novus Ordo" ... why do you think this comment is so brilliant that we should allow it? As if we are all morons who don't know that?

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  9. Last Pentecost, I was a Communion minister during Pope Benedict's Mass. Before the Mass, they gave instruction to the priests and deacons to give Holy Communion on the tongue. The instructions were only given in Italian, so most of us only found out after the Mass.

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  10. The pope is distributing communion on the tongue because Communion is being given by intinction. Watch him dip the host into the chalice! That is hardly traditional, especially there is nothing to catch the possible drops from the Precious Blood!

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  11. The pope was clearly not feeling well... It made me worry, I've never seen him breathing heavily and with such a closed face like that. Maybe he's starting to find out just how difficult his task is. Also, the consecration was not in latin, and this is new in his public masses for me. Nobody's commented upon that, so I guess I'm missing something. Was that expected?

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  12. Reverend Father,
    thank you very much; I needed a good chuckle!

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  13. Anonymous9:13 PM

    This actually shows priests, not the pope, distribution the Body of Christ only, on the tongue. This is about a papal mandate to his priests, not what the pope is doing.

    Focus ...

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  14. God bless and help him! Very encouraging.

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  15. Isn't on the hand is a licit indult in Rome?

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  16. It is also interesting to note that no one seems to notice that the Holy Father continues to distribute Holy Communion to the primary deacons of the Mass as they KNEEL before him and His Holiness does so by way of INTINCTION. Also, all of the concelebrating bishops approach the altar to take the host from a separate paten and INTINCT the Host into the Precious Blood. There is no drinking whatsoever from the common chalice. The hosts aren’t passed to the concelebrants during the Agnus Dei either, the Holy Father receives first. Nor does the Holy Father distribute Holy Communion to anyone else but these deacons.

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  17. Anonymous1:23 AM

    Intinction. There's a word I didn't know until today, although I've received communion by intinction in a Maronite parish. So thank you Reverend Father and D. Harold for pointing this out.

    I gather that communion by intinction is not traditional in the Latin rite. But it's in the GIRM, and as the former Ordinary for Eastern Rite Catholics in Argentina, Pope Francis might be accustomed to administering communion in both kinds by this means. In my view it's a big step up from other more irreverent options in the GIRM.

    Standing at the pope's right hand from 1:56:14 through 1:56:27 is a monsignor (?) holding a communion plate. The camera cuts away, and at 1:56:41 he is now at the pope's left hand, as the pope administers communion. The camera angle is poor, but the monsignor is assisting with great attention, and extending his left hand as if holding the communion plate out to prevent droppage.

    Did this prevent all possible loss of drops of the Precious Blood? I don't know, but will give the benefit of the doubt.

    Some Maronite parishes meet this need by using an intinction set when administering communion to the faithful. One edge of the paten-like part of the integral chalice/paten set can be stuffed well under the communicant's chin.

    The only time I've ever personally seen a communion plate used by an altar server in a Novus Ordo mass was at the Carmelite shrine in Munster, Indiana. The mass was offered in Polish. All the faithful who received knelt and received on the tongue, just as they would at a Latin mass, and the priest moved down the line from left to right. Not an EMHC in sight.

    These things are all a step up, and I was glad to see them, even though I am not a fan of the "ordinary form". I sometimes feel as though the Carthaginian rite has all the charm and decorum of a county commissioners' meeting, complete with the solemn proclamation of the minutes. So thank God for improvements, until the restoration comes!

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  18. Thank you for this post!

    Intinction is common in parts of Mexico, so I wonder if it is in the rest of Latin America. In fact, in Mexico - even when intinction was not used - I never once saw anyone receive in the hand.

    I'm happy to see that it's only on the tongue - whether intinction or otherwise.

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  19. Jacab Wall said "I'm happy to see that it's only on the tongue - whether intinction or otherwise."

    In the video I did not notice, and I paid particular attention to see if a Communion-plate was held under the mouth of those receiving the sacred species by intinction but I'm sure that it wasn't used.

    Intinction by it's very nature could ONLY be given on the tongue!As is clarified by the General Instruction on the Missal by Vatican II and so is the communion plate that is suppost to be held under the mouth clearly specified. ( cf. SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM)

    Intinction is not common here in Brazil were I live. I've never seen it practised anywhere here even at intimate Wedding Masses with comparative few people attending. Maybe the reason being is that most Brazilian attending the New Mass prefer to receive Holy Communion in the hand and with intinction they are obliged to receive it directly on the tongue, for obvious reasons.

    I suspect that when Pope Francis (or rather the Bishop of Rome) as He prefers to call himself visits Rio, Brazil, this July I am sure that the celebration will be somewhat different and ultra modern. But there we have it! We will have to wait and see!

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  20. Unfortunate that the lectio for at least the Gospel was not read in Latin. It is good to see that there is continuity between how Benedictus celebrated Mass and how Franciscus has been. If only more bishops and priests would follow their example and use Latin for the Confiteor, Gloria, Agnus Dei, Pater Noster and the Greek Kyrie in their Masses in the Novus Ordo.

    As for balloons in Brazil. May the Lord spare us it. But if worse came to worse, they can do whatever they like in Brazil and they do - merely nominally Catholic as they predominantly are. Provided no balloons clutter that magnificent roof in St. Peter's basilica.

    The world looks to Rome, not Rio.

    adulescens

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  21. It is not still clear as to what the reign of this Papacy has in store for the future but there still Hope that after consecration at Portugal Our blessed Mother will lead him ahead to Consecrate Russia toHer Immaculate Heart.
    Let all of us Traditionalspray to her to Guide the Pope Francis.

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  22. hello Rorate Caeli!

    maybe, with so many people watching the Holy Father's Masses on Radiovaticana, now I won't have to analyze each papal Mass, and one of your readers will post their analysis/alerts

    This should save me some time!

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  23. Maybe the priest and the black suit man are secret traditionalist agent sent to destroy the spirit of Vatican II.

    Good job agents!

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  24. Have now watched the entire mass. Thank you for the link. It was very reverent. We should rejoice that Pope Francis has kept Msgr. Piero Marini as master of ceremonies at least for now. When in Rome...

    Who knows, our Pope might still surprise us by attending in choro an Extraordinary Form of the Mass.

    I had seen Novus Ordo with intinction in two places previously: Mexico and in Rome at the 8:30 mass at the Chapel of the Blessed Sacrament at St. Peter's (highly recommended). Intinction is a much more hygienic solution than the Lutheran custom of drinking from a common chalice then wiped with a cloth assimilated by VC2. Its adoption of intinction in the US would also halve the Eucharistic Ministers, which in my Novus Ordo parish are mostly women. For many years now I have not taken communion from these priest assistants. In a similar way, I refuse to talk with the physician assistant my Doctor's office employed since Obamacare passed.

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  25. Anonymous10:43 AM

    Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Matthew 23:24.

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  26. I have been defending the Papacy for over 30 years. After the election of Pope Francis l, I was deeply disappointed. I considered holding that Benedict XVl was still the Pope and that the conclave that elected Francis l was invalid. But it seems that His Holiness Pope Francis is truly beginning to take his Petrine office more seriously. Deo Gratias! I look forward to May 13, 2013 when he will consecrate his Papacy to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. He will be a great Pope I'm sure now.

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  27. I have not watched the "film" so I am going based on the comments. In our parish on the outskirts of Rome, the mass is celebrated almost every Saturday morning with intinction, the rest of the time, only the body of Christ is recieved by the communicant. The title to the article is rather misleading, no offence to Adfero :) . Before receiving communion on Saturday, the priest will let the congregation know they shall recieve under both species, therefore they cannot receive on the hand. In Rome, both are acceptable, either hand or tongue... So, if the person in the diocese of Rome wishes to recieve in the hand, our lord and saviour, then unless the pope formally makes any steps to remedy this, then alas, these other comments are in vain. In St. Peter's, it is impossible to tell who is roman and who is not. Papa Benedict was leading by example but I think lost a little of his grunt. As Francis was communing the faithful via intinction, then he would look like a fool if he allowed a man to recieve the Eucharist inhospitable hand.

    If you just wanted to post the video, fine, but do not make it out to be like he is a hero or standing up for this stuff.... Because we still know nothing about this man. Reports are coming from both sides. Something which I have been enjoying is his homilies, some good content and useful for thoughts for contemplation.

    Let us wait and see in May when he goes to the children in Rome for first holy communion!

    Geez what a mouthful...

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  28. Pray this continues. And, I am encouraged.

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  29. In yotube can see other shocking details: In the 1 minute, 57 '45'' ss. one of the masters of ceremony (purple cassock and surplice) approaches deacons who are giving Communion (utraque sub species) and without genuflection he takes the Sacred Host, Intinction makes the Chalice and communion (instead of receive Communion from the deacon, as it is sent). I wonder: how can this happen in St. Peter's Basilica, at a Mass the Pope? It happens, therefore, that those who should lead by example and be teachers of liturgy are the first to violate the liturgical norms. Pathetic.

    // En el yotube se pueden ver otros detalles chocantes: En el minuto 1, 57' 45'' ss. uno de los maestros de ceremonia (sotana morada y sobrepelliz) se acerca a los diáconos que están dando la Comunión (sub utraque species) y sin hacer genuflexión toma él mismo la Sagrada Hostia, hace la intinción en el Cáliz y comulga (en vez de recibir la Comunión de manos del diácono, como está mandado). Yo me pregunto: ¿cómo puede suceder eso en la Basílica de San Pedro, en una Misa del Papa? Sucede, pues, que aquellos que deben dar ejemplo y ser maestros de liturgia son los primeros que infringen las normas litúrgicas. Lamentable.

    '

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  30. >>>>Reverend Father Marshall M. Roberts said...
    The pope is distributing communion on the tongue because Communion is being given by intinction. Watch him dip the host into the chalice! That is hardly traditional, especially there is nothing to catch the possible drops from the Precious Blood!<<<<<



    Father M!
    with all due respect, you either have not watched the Mass or else just maybe dozed off...I believe it is around 1:56:40 where the Holy Father gives Communion with MSGR M on his right with the precious Blood and an unidentified paten/plate man on his left....

    and Ad Quem....maybe you should watch what has already happened liturgically before you tell us to watch what will happen (with a little hint that it will be something scandalous). In June maybe you'll be telling us not to bother watching what happened in May! Here's a prediction for you. May's Liturgies will be just as reverent as April's.

    Terzio, with re: to the Pope's minions not doing what their supposed to....perhaps you never watched some of Pope Benedict's masses? did you even know that prior to 2008, the Holy Father distributed Communion in the hand?

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  31. Alexander said 'the world looks to Rome and not to Rio even if they have 'ballon Masses' here". But at least this blog with be looking to Rio! The present MC of the Bishop of Rome is going to be shortly changed just like many of the Prefects of the Congregations but Muller will be staying as Prefect of the CDF. It's time for the present Papal MC to move on and get a Parish or something! I know what is going to happen in Rio - 'vestral 'virgins' in the Offerary proccession and worse. I've seen the plan and I know the organisers. The present Archbishop of Rio is anything but traditonal and the ultra modern 'catholic' Brazilian organisation 'Canção Nova' will be totally involved. Mostly young '
    Charismatic' type chatolics (common during the 70's in Europe) and those not so young insisting on communion in the Hand etc etc and much more too.
    I do recall. on the odd times I've assisted Brazilians receiving by Instinction. They usually receive by a chalice with it in a sort of a 'bowel' and they themselves 'dip' the Host into the precious Blood themselves (and not the priest who does this). again this is contary to the Instruction issued by Vatican II. But Brazil is more than a Country it is a Country with continental proportions with the largest catholic population in the World with around 700 bishops or even more and so cannot be underestimated.

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  32. Kneeler, I say wait till The children recieve their first holy communion as this will be an indication as how he wants to form the diocese of Rome, quite frankly, I could not care less weather he celebrates th mass in the TLM as a High Solemn Mass weather it was said outside on a rock, or if it was the worst clown mass in the world, what matters is how he treats our lord Jesus Christ and teaches other to treat him.

    What is scandalous is how the inhabitants of this city have been formed and continue to be formed... I am not sure what It may be like in the USA or The UK or Western Europe, but i have found that the Italians of various ages have no real sense of the sacred, in church, etc. maybe they could take an example from your username? I am sure mons. Marini will look after the holy. Father, as I don't trust him on some things, he is too skewed or rather polarised.

    That being said, may The Lord protect him and bless him. Plurimos annos.

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  33. D. Harold said...

    >>>In the video I did not notice, and I paid particular attention to see if a Communion-plate was held under the mouth of those receiving the sacred species by intinction but I'm sure that it wasn't used.

    Intinction by it's very nature could ONLY be given on the tongue!As is clarified by the General Instruction on the Missal by <<<

    Dear D. Harold!

    stop! you are embarrassing yourself! !!
    Because the camera angle is blocked, and even though the 'paten-man'---as elfrancoloco very logically pointed out, stands on the Pope's left---bent over looking at the Holy Species, you 'know' the paten-man no longer has a paten???? His legs aren't visible either, have they also vanished? :-)

    Re: MSGR Marini being fired....I think you should try to more accurately figure out what has already happened, before you start prophesying to us about what will happen!

    and, btw, you tell us that it is impossible to administer Intincted Species in the hand ---presumably--to try to take some of the punch out of the Holy Father's example--- and then you go on to tell us that in your home country of Brazil....they have Intinction Communion in the hand??? you need to sit down and have a long talk with yourself!!



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  34. Kneeling Catholic- Intinction in the Hand is impossible and NOT allowed under the Rubrics on the Missal as set down by the Second Vatican Council and ratifiied by Pope Paul VI. I m p o s s i b l e! and impractical too! Believe me.


    As for "Re: MSGR Marini being fired....I think you should try to more accurately figure out what has already happened, before you start prophesying to us about what will happen!". I didn't say he would be 'fired' but rather moved on to parhaps a parish. After all he is a priest and it's normal for a priest to get pastoral experiece. The Jesuits believe in moving people on to develope other talents and perhaps the Mgr's talantes may be developed further having him serve in a Parish!

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  35. Kneeling Catholic- When I said here in Brazil 'they have Intinction Communion in the hand', I meant that the communicants themselves 'dip' the host into the chalice and give themselves the intictive species. The intinctive species is not put into their hand by the priest! But they put it themselves into their own mouth!

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  36. Folks there is a standing order from the MC to distribute on the tongue.....

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  37. My priest frequently distributes communion by intimation over a communion rail with a server using a paten.

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  38. Anonymous9:06 PM

    What's all the reference on the comments on here to the 'host'? People once the host has been consecrated it is simply disrespectful to refer our Lord's substantial presence as the 'host'!!!

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  39. Matthew said 'Folks there is a standing order from the MC to distribute on the tongue.....' So NOT from the Pope! Old habits die hard and after all Rome wasn't built in a Day and the Pope cannot change everything one day for another. He is diplomatic. That maybe is why, at least one of the reasons why the present MC (who is fixed in his ways too) will be transferred to a Parish inorder to develop his pastotal and other talents. The Jesuits don't like someone staying 'for ever' in the same job! I know a Jesuit and he has a Doctorate in Theology but his Superior invited him to work in the Community as a Gardener. Anyway the Pope would more than likely be happier and feel more confortable with someone of His own culture who spoke Spanish and who worked with Him when He was Cardinal in Argentina.

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  40. Mr Egan,

    Host is not disrespectful. Host refers precisely to the -immaculata hostia-, the spotless victim.

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  41. Why do you have such a big problem with my comment, Big Deal? Your blog, your decision, but I don't think this is an irrelevant point to make:

    What does this prove about Pope Francis? The only assumption one can safely make is that one priest refused to distribute Holy Communion, and maybe, MAYBE, that was the standing order. That's it!

    This does not, by any stretch of the imagination, make Francis a friend of Tradition, unless that is what you want to read into it.

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  42. Anonymous12:37 AM

    David, where did Rorate say this was anything? We simply posted the story.

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  43. >>>What does this prove about Pope Francis? The only assumption one can safely make is that one priest refused to distribute Holy Communion, and maybe, MAYBE, that was the standing order. That's it!<<<

    Hello David W!

    I think your 'assumption' is really an 'observation'. No assuming needed! (unless you think the cameramen might possibly be using trick-photography) If you don't feel you can draw any conclusion from observing people in at least 3 different papal Masses being denied Hand Communion, then fine! I disagree with you, but I understand you not wanting to 'go out on a limb'. Just, please, stay tuned and keep watching!

    Matthew, I would like to know where you found this 'standing order' forbidding hand Communion. I need it for my blog!!! :-)

    D. Harold!
    Uh, No! If Msgr M can forbid hand Communion right under the Pope's nose, it does actually mean it comes from the Pope, unless you think the Pope has slipped into some kind of semi-conscious blithering state!

    you certainly seem to be all over the map on the Marini topic...now, you say, if Msgr M gets removed, it doesn't have anything to do with the Pope wanting a more free-wheeling MC?

    That's certainly good news!

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  44. Last October I was in Jerusalem. By chance I went to a Mass on a weekday at the Church of St Etienne in East Jerusalem. This is part of L'Ecole Biblique et Archeologique which belongs to the French Dominicans.
    All those at Mass received by intinction from one priest. There were no options. It was that way or no other. I took it that this was the French way of distributing Holy Communion. The priest had a large ciborium with a chalice in the middle. I thought that this method was ideal for settling the matter of reception by the faithful at Mass.

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  45. Anonymous9:17 AM

    Mgr Guido Marini's quinquennial term of office expires on 30 September 2013. Whether it will be renewed is anyone's guess, but talk about Mgr Marini being "sacked" is nonsense and insulting to both the Pope and the Mgr.

    Communion by SELF-intinction at the cathedral in Hong Kong wss introduced when Cardinal Zen (who celebrates the EF/TLM) was bishop.

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  46. Not so at the Papal Mass with Confirmations today. Communion distributed in the hand by many of the ministers shown on camera. Even several of the Confirmandii, who were kneeling at a rail, chose to receive in the hand.

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  47. Melaine said "Even several of the Confirmandii, who were kneeling at a rail, chose to receive in the hand." This is a good sign! This only proofs what David said "What does this prove about Pope Francis? The only assumption one can safely make is that one priest refused to distribute Holy Communion, and maybe, MAYBE, that was the standing order. That's it!"
    But now we know after today at the Confirmation Mass NO standing Order by the Holy Father to give Communion on the tongue was given!


    No one said that the present MC will be fired, just moved on to develop new talents perhaps as parish priest resolving their parish liturgical problems to perfection. Time for him to move on especially after a quinquennial term in Office. Come on give someone else a chance! There is no divine right here for a MC!

    When the Pope comes to Brazil in July Communion will most certainly be given in the hand and standing too for the National Conference of Brazilian Roman Catholic Bishops had made this ruling for their Dioceses throughout Brazil. Wait and see "Kneeing catholic"! A 'pound to a penny' I am right!

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  48. Whether you like it or not the 'tides' have most definitely turned and people are demanding Communion in the Hand authorised by the Second Vatican Council. That might be 'unfortunate' for some like 'Kneeling Catholic' but there is definately NO going back to before as it was before the Council! And all the more so, seeming encouraged by Pope Francis who praised the 'Great' Pope Paul VI!

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  49. Alexander said "The world looks to Rome, not Rio." Let them look to Rome today to the Confirmation Mass!

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  50. Apart from Easter Sunday, when schola and assembly sang Mass I (Lux et Origo) which is traditional for the season, on every other Sunday we are back to the familiar, hackneyed and mostly cod-plainchant Missa de Angelis, which I don't care if I never hear again for the rest of my life. What on earth is going on here? I think we deserve to be told.

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  51. If there (is) was a standing Order in Rome to receive communion only directly on the tongue it has been abrogated as of today at the Confirmation Mass of the Holy Father (sorry, Bishop of Rome, as He perfers to refre to himself) as many received Holy Communion directly in the Hand even quite a number of those confirmed by the Holy Father!

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  52. Anonymous5:03 PM

    D. Harold,
    What pope Francis has said about Paul VI is no big thing. You should see what Benedict XVI said during the Angelus on 3 August 2008:

    "As our gaze on the past grows gradually broader and more aware, Paul VI's merit in presiding over the Council Sessions, in bringing it successfully to conclusion and in governing the eventful post-conciliar period appears ever greater, I should say almost superhuman. We can truly say, with the Apostle Paul, that the grace of God in him "was not in vain" (cf. 1 Cor 15: 10): it made the most of his outstanding gifts of intelligence and passionate love for the Church and for humankind. As we thank God for the gift of this great Pope, let us commit ourselves to treasure his teachings."

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  53. yes but two minutes later they deliver it as if it were a pizza.

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  54. La Espada y la Cruz said...
    "yes but two minutes later they deliver it as if it were a pizza".

    I presume the best kind 'a Margherita'! LOL's

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  55. I too wondered why the Missa de Angelis has become the "setting of choice" of Mons. Marini and/or Fr. Palombella. "What on earth is going on here?" was John Nolan's question. I suspect that the principle of "full, conscious, and active" is in full force, and since Mass VIII is the best known of the Latin settings, it can be sung con forza by the faithful. Meno male.

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  56. Deb Thurston said...
    "I too wondered why the Missa de Angelis has become the "setting of choice" of Mons. Marini and/or Fr. Palombella. "What on earth is going on here?" was John Nolan's question. I suspect that the principle of "full, conscious, and active" is in full force, and since Mass VIII is the best known of the Latin settings, it can be sung con forza by the faithful. Meno male."

    Well the explanation is simple!
    The "Company" is under NEW MANGEMENT !

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  57. Please look at video yesterday's confiramtion service. The Pope of canidates applies the chrism to the forehead not in the sign of the cross but in a circular motion!

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  58. invocante said...
    "Please look at video yesterday's confiramtion service. The Pope of canidates applies the chrism to the forehead not in the sign of the cross but in a circular motion!"


    Don't worry at least Chrism was used and their was an impostion of hands thus according to Canon Law Valid, (maybe after conferring so many confirmations the 'thumb got tired'!

    Can. 880 §1. The sacrament of confirmation is conferred by the anointing of chrism on the forehead, which is done by the imposition of the hand and through the words prescribed in the approved liturgical books.

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  59. To PJ David, I think you will find that Russia is well and truly dedicated to the Most Holy Virgin Mary known in Russia as the Theotokos for many centuries already. The Holy Orthodox Church, the sister church according to the last three Roman Catholic Popes, has been making a strong resurgence after a great struggle post-communism. The Orthodox people would appreciate friendly relations rather than hostility or gestures of superiority from Roman Catholics.

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