Rorate Caeli

Prince, or politician?

If the cardinal wasn't located in New York, this would be a case of classic Washington, D.C. politics: say something vague that seems strong at first blush, then send your spokesman to correct the record with the reporter, creating confusion among the voters. Only here, it's the Faithful that are rightly confused (and scandalized), and not just voters:

ALBANY — New York’s Timothy Cardinal Dolan warned Gov. Cuomo to be ready for a holy battle if he tries to strengthen state abortion-rights laws.

In an interview on an Albany radio station Tuesday, Dolan said Catholic bishops would be “as vociferous and rigorous as possible in our opposition” to the governor’s efforts.

Although Cuomo has yet to release an abortion bill, he’s announced plans to write into New York law protections now provided by federal court decisions like Roe vs. Wade.

The governor’s efforts are aimed at keeping abortion safe and legal in New York even if Roe vs. Wade is overturned or weakened.

Archbishop Dolan said the conviction Monday of Philadelphia abortion provider Dr. Kermit Gosnell on murder charges calls for laws that go the other way instead.

“I am in a bit of consternation as to why in a time when there seems to be kind of a sobering up about these horrors of the unfettered access to abortion, why in New York we are talking about even expanding it further,” Dolan said.

When asked how Cuomo could still consider himself a Catholic in good standing while also promoting abortion legislation, Dolan responded: “That’s something that I talk turkey with him about.”

Dolan spokesman Joseph Zwilling later said the cardinal did not mean to suggest that Cuomo would not be a Catholic in good standing if he went forward with the bill.


Long-Skirts said...

"Dolan spokesman Joseph Zwilling later said the cardinal did not mean to suggest that Cuomo would not be a Catholic in good standing if he went forward with the bill."

...the "bill" or the KILL?!!

Bwangi Kilonzo said...

Same old wink wink.. la , la, la ...
Clearly what Cuomo is doing is Grave Mortal sin, and no one is ready to call him on it. This sounds cliché but how would you speak to Idi Amin, Pol Pot or Stalin on regarding their Gulags.
Would you have Turkey with them in the light of extermination efforts? How is this different?

Katahdin said...

Dolan yet again is too cowardly to take the next step and excommunicate Cuomo. Same old full of bluster weak on action Dolan

Searching for His truth said...

I felt something strange an uneasy the very first time I saw him (Dolan) on tv. Thank heavens he wasn't made pope. What is he thinking?
I keep thinking "fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom."
re is the Wisdom in this?

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget the nearly complete pass he gave NY politicians on the homo fake marriage bill.

Johannes de Silentio said...

Let's be blunt, Cuomo is objectively not a Catholic and probably doesn't even subjectively consider himself to be a Catholic. But are we sure this isn't a case of a spokesman going off the reservation?

Unknown said...

More proof why his His Eminence richly deserves the nickname that some of the more traditionally-minded among his archdiocesan clergy have bestowed upon him:

"Sunoco" — as in "yellow and full of gas."

Anonymous said...

Unknown, take it from someone who does it for a living: a spokesman never contradicts his boss unless told to, especially on a matter this grave, and even more so when talking about a governor.

Also, this is all a farce. What Dolan should have explained is that Cuomo, with his public backing of numerous heresies, is already excommunicated latae sententiae.

モスケ∴ said...

Cardinal Dolan,

Please please please!.. LEAD

Mary Kay said...

Clearly what Dolan is doing is even more grave mortal sin. As with all political characters, he is very careful about his public statements, and that, frankly, makes him much more frightening to me than Cuomo.

Anonymous said...

"That's something that I talk turkey with him about."

What the heck does that mean?

Colin said...

Hello. Isn't it clear that since Vatican 2 that sin and hell have been abolished.

Anonymous said...

"That's something that I talk turkey with him about."

What the heck does that mean?

It doesn't mean anything. It's a politician's way of implying that he's serious about something in order to placate those in his constituency who think he should be serious about it. Those in his constituency who don't think he should be serious about it know he really isn't so everyone is satisfied.

It's mish mash, flim flam, and ambiguity. But such is the church as run by modernists.

Elizabeth said...

Given that we're still stuck with Bishop Conferences, I do wonder more and more what the Bishops in the USCCB think of Dolan now. I used to be so frustrated by Cardinal George when he was in charge of the USCCB. He was way too "prudent and pastoral" for me, but Dolan's another matter entirely. It gets worse and worse.

Dr. Timothy J. Williams said...

Vatican II double-speak. Say no more.

Dan Hunter said...

I was just rereading the great Encyclical "Pascendi Dominici Gregis" by Pope St Pius X, and this latest by Cardinal Dolan is Modernism at it best [worst]

"Any Catholic who supports abortion in any of its diabolical forms is automatically excommunicated"

Raymond Cardinal Burke.

JB said...

The Pope himself just said that politicians in Argentina who promote abortion in any way cannot receive communion. Then Dolan makes this statement? What is he afraid of? Losing the world's approval? Hurting Andrew's feelings? Can anyone imagine Cardinal O'Connor acting this way?

Malta said...

Why are you beating up on Dolan, he's just trying to placate a higher power--not God, of course! ;-)

James K Savonarola said...

"safe and legal"

AHHHHHHHHH! Madness, how murder has become a safe activity!

Legal...I dont know how God doesnt reign fire on us like Sodom & Gommorah, what a Grace the liturgy is

Anonymous said...

Dolan spokesman Joseph Zwilling later said the cardinal did not mean to suggest that Cuomo would not be a Catholic in good standing if he went forward with the bill.


It looks like Cuomo is the one talking turkey to Cardinal Dolan.

The inmates are running the asylum.

Hayfarmer said...

From saying Muslims worship the same God as Catholics do inspite of their denial of the Trinity to Cardinal Dolan yucking it up with politicians living in mortal sin, I am convinced that the one true Catholic Church I love is totally separate from whatever Newchurch for which these "princes" serve!

As Our Lady said, fire will rain down upon our heads destroying most of the earth. We have been warned and we deserve what our just God delivers.

Dan Hunter said...

This is an example of severe lack of Charity.

Liam Ronan said...

I objected strenuously but charitably to Cardinal Dolan's participation in the October 2012 Al Smith dinner where, as I had suggested to the Cardinal, it promised to be a photo-op for our rabidly pro-abortion President in the midst of an election and also a scandal to Catholics. The Cardinal dismissed mine and many other such suggestions. His sad rationale rejecting all such objections is a matter of public record. I dare say the Cardinal's reasoning would have permitted him to attend the same dinner were Dr. Kermit Gosnell an invited speaker.
It is time for the trumpet to sound clearly (Cor. 14:8) and for this Johnathan Winters wannabe of a Cardinal to publicly threaten Cuomo with excommunication for the good of the flock and for the good of Cuomo's immortal soul.

backtothefuture said...

Bishops and cardinals better wake up. This a battle to the death, and yet they seem not to realize it. These politicians, are working on destroying you.

Long-Skirts said...


Dolan, Dolan, Dolan,
Keeps them laughs a rollin’
Faith and world he won’t let collide

Through rain an’ wind an’ weather
Rich dinners, sits on leather
Puttin’ Catholic Truth off to side

Pretends that we are missin’
The point of his butt-kissin’
Just go along to get along and ride

Vote ‘em in, drink and sup
Slap their hand then shut up
The Faith and the world can’t collide

Cut ‘em out, close your eyes,
“Yes, abortion I despise
But the True Faith the world can’t abide.”

Keep movin’, like, approvin’
Bank accounts are groovin’
“I can’t live on Truth and De Fide!

My heart is calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’
Be waitin’ at the end of my ride.”

But when your ride is over
Don’t think you’ll be in clover
Your money does not pray or has cried

Dolan, Dolan, Dolan,
With grief my heart is swollen
Don’t let your soul be stolen –

Unknown said...

These Cardinals , like Dolan need to TRULY Shepherd and LEAD the people to grow in holiness and to save souls, not party it up with politicans who are catholic and not truly CATHOLIC in the true sense of the word .....we live in dark times and thw words of Our Blessed Mother should ring true to all of us ...stop OFFENDING my SON who is already too much offended .
The corriders of hell are lined with the skulls of bishops ....let's fall to our knees and PRAY and Sacrifice for our clergy!

Liam Ronan said...

You are a hoot, Long-Skirts! Pointed and pithy and on the mark. (I liked the Blues Brothers rendition of Rawhide bottles and a cage.)

St. Corbinian's Bear said...

A picture is worth a thousand words.

St. Corbinian was run out of his diocese for denouncing the ruler's incest. He didn't have his Bear issue a statement that he did not mean to imply the he was not a Catholic in good standing.

What a sad circus. I suspect these are people who are afraid. They don't realize we have passed the point where the culture will respond to "talking turkey." I also suspect one does not rise to Cardinal Dolan's position without being very careful.

St. Corbinian, pray for us.

Alphonsus Jr. said...

Typical Vatican II double-speak.

Unknown said...

"But when your ride is over
Don’t think you’ll be in clover
Your money does not pray or has cried"

Made my day - and it is only early here in Australia.

Puts me in mind of Philip the Chancellor's Ve mundo. My favourite motet. A very strong repudiation of wicked priests. From a time when the princes of the Church had mistresses and illegitimate children [Philip himself being one of them] and if they did not openly contradict the Faith, very many did not really believe it privately. Some such men even made Roman Pontiff.


gtaylor said...

What a joke Prince Cardinal Dolan is, he sups with the Devil, then huffs and puffs for the sake of his image. A joke of a silly little man if ever you saw one.

Long-Skirts said...

Liam Ronan said:

"(I liked the Blues Brothers rendition of Rawhide bottles and a cage.)"

Me too. As my favorite Irish Saint, St. Ignatius O'Loyola, always said, "Laugh and grow strong"

...but these Princes of the Church are killing me!

john said...

If more priests of the mold of Father Rutler were promoted to leadership positions in the Church, things would be rapidly repaired. However, great minds such as his combined with his orthodoxy is obviously feared by Church hierarchy. Miraculous that Cardinal Burke made it to where he did.

El Cid said...

Maybe His Eminence should put a bit more effort into disciplining apostates like Cuomo and less into his Sirius XM radio enterprise.

Between Mahony running wild in CA, Cdl. Dolan hee-hawing through his episcopate, and Cdl Wuerl stomping on orthodox priests, it's a swell state of affairs in the Good Ol' U.S. of A.

Are you there Holy Father? It's the faithful calling ...

Johannes de Silentio said...

Father Rutler. Now THERE is a priest! Send him to Albany and give him a mitre and you'll see how a bishop who fears God rather than men conducts himself.

Uncle Claibourne said...

His Eminence Cardinal Cheesehead aside, I MUST give credit to our Holy Father for this:

He even referred to himself as "Pope." But more importantly, a powerful echo of Pius XI. I am awe-struck:

“The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly human goal,” Francis told the ambassadors.

There is hope, my friends. There is hope.

Osusanna said...

Jesus ate with sinners - that's how worldlings defend him. Wouldn't that mean the prince should also have fasted 40 days in a desert?

Jamey said...

At 7.30 min mark of the below link:

"It's a well known fact that Cardinal Dolan has no qualms whatsoever about flexing his mighty ecclesiastical muscle in private against his priests who want to say the Traditional Latin Mass." .. "His angry temper is vented with all its fury on such priests, they are threatened and browbeaten by him personally".

No surprise there.

Steve Dalton said...

Every time I see a picture of Dolan laughing his fool head off, or doing something stupid, like his cheesehead stunt,I have to wonder if he has a serious thought in his head, indeed, does he have any thoughts at all?!

E. G. Lewis said...

I liked the Sunoco moniker. I've always referred to Dolan as Chuckles the Clown. How do people like this end up as a Bishop? or a Cardinal?? or Head of USCCB???

ek said...

God bless planned parenthood, Cardinal Dolan! You helped obama win the election, so part of that diabolical anti-blessing comes from you.

Siobhan said...

He's just another wolve in sheep's clothing. Lord Jesus have mercy on us!

UnamSanctam said...

Almighty God, through Your Son Our Lord Jesus Christ, we beg you, save Your Church.