Rorate Caeli

Event: Pontifical High Mass in Tulsa

His Excellency Bishop Edward Slattery will offer a Traditional Latin Solemn Pontifical High Mass on October 13th, 2013 -- the date of Our Lady of Fatima's Miracle of the Sun -- at Holy Family Cathedral in Tulsa, Okla.

The Mass will begin at 2PM, followed by a reception with sandwiches and appetizers at 4:30PM. A Marian devotions concert, with recitation of the rosary, Marian hymns, and then Benediction, will begin at 6:30PM.

This is the first time this Mass has been offered in the Diocese of Tulsa since the liturgical changes. 

We welcome all Catholics, no matter what form of the liturgy they attend, to witness this awesome event in honor of Our Lady and the Year of Faith.

- Sent by reader.


Peter Karl T. Perkins said...

Far more important than this pontifical High Mass is the fact that, after endless months, we can now add another U.S. diocese having the Traditional Latin Mass on the every-Sunday basis. As at Sunday, 6th October, the once-per-month Traditional Latin Mass at St. Albans, Vermont, will be offered each and every Sunday and at the new time of 11.00 a.m. I have this from the celebrant himself. Vermont embraces the Diocese of Burlington. 154 of the 176 Latin sees in the U.S.A. now have every-Sunday Traditional Latin Masses. Among those diocese not having them are the Archdiocese of Mobile and the Dioceses of Springfield (Mass.), Shreveport, Jackson, Biloxi, Nashville, Saginaw, Laredo, Amarillo, Lubbock, Victoria-in-Texas, San Angelo (which now has a Latin Mass on a lesser basis), &c.

In other news, the Diocese of Den Bosch (s'Hertogenbosch) in the Netherlands has gained its first every-Su. T.L.M. since the early 1970s.

But all of this pales in comparison to the news recently from north-eastern Europe. For some strange reason, the moderators here have been asleep at the switch. Haven't they heard of the large increases in Poland and the Czech Republic and the significant increases in Slovakia? There is also good news from Lithuania. It's all on WikiMissa by now.

Poland now has 22 dioceses having approved every-Sunday Traditional Latin Mass, a very large increase since September of last year, and they just keep coming. Most remarkable of all are the victories for tradition in the Czech Republic. A few months ago, only two of its eight dioceses had every-Su. T.L.M.s. As at last month, all eight have them, making the Czech Republic the first country on this planet to have 100% of the dioceses in this condition (except for one-diocese micro-states like Liechtenstein).

In Slovakia, the Archdiocese of Bratislava got its every-Su. Mass restored and last month, the Diocese of Kosice got its first every-Su. T.L.M. In Lithuania, both Archdioceses (Vilnius and now Kaunas too) have every-Sunday Traditional Latin Masses.

In South Africa, after endless waiting, the Diocese of Port Elisabeth becomes the second one to get every-Sunday (and every-Friday) Latin Masses, courtesy of the Bishop and the Oratorians. (Johannesburg also has them every Sunday).

Meanwhile, the French bishops continue to hold out against us in the north-east, but their ringleader, Mgr. Gueneley of Langres, turns 75 in November. I have a picture of him from the Internet. One needs a backdrop for one's dartboard.


Anonymous said...

Does it really have to be "far more important"?

Or maybe you can just give us this news, unqualified ...

hebetissimus said...

I am happy to read of this Mass; would that there were many, many more. No doubt, someone will have the good taste to wish the good bishop well on his name day. The holy king himself, no doubt, is only too happy to cede the honor of the day to the Queen of Heaven.

Gratias said...

Off topic, but Pope Francis vigil for peace in Syria has been uploaded by the Vatican here:

Gratias said...

P.K.T.P.has always insisted, correctly in my view, that what counts are every-Sunday TLMs. That way one can build a choir, altar servers and faithful congregation.

Tridentina DG said...

@ P.K.T.P
A to Poland there will another diocese with every Sunday just in week (I hope).
BTW - could you e-mail me on

Anonymous said...

Well Mr. Perkins can start and run his own blog if he wants to decide what is more important. Or he can send the info to us to decide whether to post or not instead of taking our thread off topic.

A little respect ...

S. Armaticus said...

With respect to what PKTP wrote...
Traveling in Poland at present. Went to the 10:00 am high mass at the SSPX chapel in Warsaw today. Place was packed. Had a hard time getting through the door. It never occurred to me how hard the transitions from the earlier masses to the later mass are in small chapels. I’m only used to near empty churches. Brought my little Armaticii (5 and 3) and they had a lot of company that was in their age bracket. Also looks like the SSPX has a grammar school, maybe even a high school since a lot of 10 to 17 year olds. Also a sizeable number of 18 to 30 year old males. Don't remember the last time I saw anything similar.

As to the Church in Poland, from what I hear, the local Ordinaries are still holding out. It's a "insulting the memory of JPII” thing, and it's promoted primarily by the nuns more than the priests. (Don't want to let go of those liturgical committees-makes them feel important I guess.) But progress is being made. Last week I attended mass in central Warsaw, at a beautiful church of a convent of cloistered nuns. I witnessed the weirdest thing. The mass was an N.O., but the Kyrie, Gloria, Credo and Agnus Dei were all sung in Latin, with the regular respository stuff in between. Believe me folks, it DOES NOT work, no matter how hard the priest and choir try. But all in all, progress is definitely being made.

Deo Gratias
PS With respect to countries on the old continent still in the liturgical dark ages, please pray for the conversion of Malta and Portugal.

sekman said...

Oh no, this Mass has been offered in this particular diocese many many times since the changes. At Clear Creek monastery which is within the Tulsa Diocese. And Bishop Slattery himself has offered Solemn Pontifical Mass there many a time, I was present there myself on one occasion.

Anonymous said...

Seaman, I know what you're saying, but think there has to be so,etching special about this Mass that the organizers believe its the first since the changes. I've asked them to clarify in this comms box.

Ezekiel Mossback said...

One might say "what is even MORE important" is a bishop inviting and establishing traditional monasteries in his diocese, since the traditioal Mass is the future, and the monastic life is the seedbed of Christian life!

Taylor said...

I am the person who sent this news piece in as part of the planning committee. Although Bp. Slattery has offered the Extraordinary Form in the Diocese before, he has not offered a Solemn Pontifical, but other pontifical forms of the Mass. Thank you and hope to see you at the Mass!

Spero said...

It then sounds like it is the first Solemn Pontifical Mass to take place outside of Clear Creek. There certainly have been many Solemn Pontifical Masses celebrated at Clear Creek by both abbots and bishops. The photos from the inauguration of the sisters' monastery appear to show Bishop Slattery himself offering Mass, assisted by deacon and subdeacon.

oklip955 said...

Lets not forget the pontifical High Mass offered by Cardinal Burke at the end of last year at Clear Creek. It was so beautiful.

maryann srbljan
consecrated virgin

Dr. Timothy J. Williams said...

Oh, I am long overdue to visit my hometown! Maybe I'll find a way back to Tulsa for this Mass. Slattery is a much-loved Bishop, and my Oklahoma relatives are very fortunate.

Athelstane said...

Bishop Slattery continues to do good things in Tulsa...may the Lord bless him and move him to keep it up. It would be wonderful to see this become an annual affair.

While it is off topic, I do agree with P.K.T. Perkins that the surge in Sunday TLM's in the Czech Republic and Poland is impressive, and was unthinkable not that long ago. When I visited the region in 2006, I recall there being just one Sunday TLM, in Krakow, and that was about it. Two years later, when I returned, Krakow had five. And now we have a majority of Polish dioceses with every-Sunday TLM's, and I am indeed surprised, given the apparent attitude of most Polish bishops. The Novus Ordo is typically celebrated in a fairly conservative fashion in Poland, and I thought this would subdue interest in the Traditional Rite...

I'd be interested to hear more details on the growth of Traditionalism in Eastern Europe, not that Rorate is obligated to do so, or to track down a correspondent capable of delivering the same.

Peter Karl T. Perkins said...

Dear Athelstane:

Yes, indeed, for the longest time Latin Masses in Poland were confined to Warsaw, Poznan and Krakow, and one or two other places. That was about it until 2012. We now have them in 22 dioceses each Sunday. There are also another six to ten Polish dioceses having the Traditional Latin Mass on a lesser basis (such aS the very populous Archdiocese of Katowice).

Proportionally speaking, even more impressive has been the sudden surge in the Czech Republic, from just two Dioceses from 2001 to last year(Prague and, even earlier, Litomerice) to all eight in the country. In just the last three months, the Czech Republic has surpassed even Austria, Belgium and New Zealand and is now the country with the best access on a diocesan basis. They went from nowwhere to the top of the chart, with nary a comment from the good folks here on Rorate Coeli, even including New Catholic, a man who does deserve some respect.

Moreover, this surge is not confined to those two countries but also clearly includes Slovakia and Lithuania. I get the emphatic impression that someone in Rome, someone like Archbishop Di Noia, has borrowed the white phone and has placed some calls. The S.S.P.X has been expanding in this region but this huge surge in approved diocesan Masses is almost a clobbering of the Society.

It's too bad we can't see this sort of thing in Portugal, for example, where the black cloud cast by the past Patriarch has yet to be exorcised. Still no progress in north-eastern France, that citadel of modernism.


S. Armaticus said...

"The S.S.P.X has been expanding in this region but this huge surge in approved diocesan Masses is almost a clobbering of the Society."

Where the SSPX has the edge is in the pulpit. Without the "negative theology", it's nothing more than a " my, that was a nice mass, Father."

Athelstane said...

S. Armaticus,

Where the SSPX has the edge is in the pulpit. Without the "negative theology", it's nothing more than a " my, that was a nice mass, Father."

I have real sympathy for the Society, and respect for what it has accomplished. But I really have little patience when this line of argument gets trotted out by some SSPX enthusiasts about the inadequate (or even heterodox) homiletics of "authorized" TLM celebrants, even those of Ecclesia Dei societies.

Is every single homily supposed to be a full barrage denouncing the Council, red in tooth and claw? How is that spiritually helpful? What's going to spiritually nourish the flock?

In any case, the idea that there are no "hard teaching" homilies being given by these celebrants (especially the FSSP) against modernist heresies has little contact with reality.

Perhaps P.K.T.P's phrasing was too terse. But a defensive reaction like yours is unhelpful.

S. Armaticus said...

Can't say that I am a SSPX chapel regular, but a couple of things that I can say is that 1) never heard an SSPX homily denoucing the council (their sermons tend to stick to theology, including the "negative") and 2) after an SSPX mass, I remember what the homily was about. I can't say that about the FSSP church that I regularly attend.

Peter Karl T. Perkins said...

For once, I find myself not on an extreme but somewhere between what Athelstan and Arnaticus are saying. As regards the sermons, those of the Society are said to be uplifting and uncompromising and inspiring--according to those I know who attend Society Masses. I can't say myself as I do not. But I think it true that there is a tendency to have flat and sometimes even insipid sermons at 'approved' Masses. By this, I mean preaching to the converted; I mean insisting that Christ is the Lord or that the personal challenge facing Christians is great--things are not not debateable. We find ourselves in an unprecedented crisis (since the time of the Arian Heresy) and many of the 'approved' traditionalist preachers are afraid to attack the rotten spirit which has infected the Church since the 1960s. So they talk about 'something else'.

On the other side, I don't mainly go to Mass for the Sermon but for the propitiatory Sacrifice, and the reverence of Mass. Approved Traditional Latin Masses have that reverence and are unambiguously Catholic in expression. They cannot be confused with Protestant Suppers of the Lord. This is the Sacrifice of Christ Himself perpetuated on our Altars. That surely must have and does have a positive effect. It means that we keep the Faith, whole and entire, untarnished, even if we do sometimes hear sickening praise from the pulpit for 'John Paul Two' or the mistake that was Vatican II.

Yes, I'd like firm and uncompromising Sermons against the liberals in the Church each and every Sunday, and you mostly get that from Society and independent priests. But that is not the primary reason for supporting the T.L.M. Liturgy brings spirituality with it, and an orthodox spirituality converts hearts and wins over the world.

Let us be triumphalists, for we have the triumph of the Cross and all other religions are completely and utterly false.


S. Armaticus said...

P.K.T.P. said:
"For once, I find myself not on an extreme but somewhere between what Athelstan and Arnaticus are saying".

I don't think that I am that far from your position and you don't get any more "middle of the road' than me. Or to put it another way, it's just me, the yellow lines and the dead armadillos out here. ;)

But help me out here? What I don't get is the rationale behind the EC masses that cater to the asthetics but stay away from the "negatvie theology". I understand that the mass is beautiful with great choirs (London Oratory comes to mind- was a regular there for a few years) and I wholeheartedly understand the propitiatory aspect of the Holy Sacrifice.

But the "negative theology" is part and parcel. I don't get the folks that go to a LTM for a second time and don't have a Missal with them. At my "indult" church, they hand out one of those abridged booklets so that you can follow along, but you are at the mercy of the priest for the readings and homily. And I just wonder what the EC folks think will bring in the repeat customer. After a couple of sung LTM's, wouldn't it feel like attending a performance of Madam Butterfly every week?

Or am I drilling down too deep?