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Monsignor Lupi: A day in the Vatican to solemnly profess fidelity to the Church.

The Bishop-elect of Savona Noli swore, yesterday morning, an oath of fidelity to the Church before the Vatican Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei", in the hands of the Eminent Cardinal Dario Hoyos Castrillon [sic]. The oath solemnly confirmed the recognition of the Primacy of the Supreme Pontiff, the commitment to proclaim the Word [of God], to exercise the government over the People of God entrusted to him, inviting the Bishop-elect to follow the path towards Holiness.

28 comments:

TradCath said...

In light of Summorum Pontificum, the replacement of Piero Marini, and Spe Salvi, I conclude that this incident must have been just mere coincidence...



God bless Pope Benedict!

alsaticus said...

a very unusual procedure ...
is there any precedent with a bishop taking a special oath of loyalty to the Holy Father before his consecration ? especially at PCED ?

It seems the new bishop will be entrusted with a mission to restore the "full communion" between Savona-Noli and the Successor of Peter, broken by the outrageous illicit "decision" of the present administrator.
An incumbent who, alas and so far, has not been summoned to Rome before cardinal Re, prefect of the Congregation for bishops.

schoolman said...

Is there any reason why a Bishop elect would normally take an oath in the presence of Cardinal Castrillon and the head of the PCED? There seems to be a message in this.

Anonymous said...

Whenever a cleric takes title to a pastorate or benefice or some other office he is required to make the oath of fidelity to the bishop or to a cleric designated by the bishop. It is probably the same with a newly appointed bishop. He is required canonically to make an oath of fidelity. What is significant in this piece of news is that the chosen cleric to receive the oath of fidelity was Cardinal Hoyos and secondly that it was communicated in the press or web in some fashion.

-Fr. BP

Anonymous said...

The words of the website seem to be rather generic, not very precise, as is often the case with the media.

But here is an important addition, from the same source:

“Mons. Lupi si è poi assunto l’impegno della vigilanza circa la fedele osservanza delle leggi ecclesiastiche e di quanto viene prescritto dal ‘Codice di diritto canonico’, al fine di evitare ogni abuso in merito al ministero della parola e alla celebrazione dei sacramenti.”

(“Furthermore, monsignor Lupi engaged himself to control that the Church laws and the prescriptions of the ‘Code of canon law’ are faithfully observed, in order to avoid abuses in the fields of the ministry of the word and of the celebration of sacraments.”)

Schoolman said:

“Is there any reason why a Bishop elect would normally take an oath in the presence of Cardinal Castrillón and the head of the PCED? There seems to be a message in this.”

I agree.

God bless us all.

Fr Ray Blake said...

Such an oaths would be taken by a diocesan bishop before the Metroplitan or the principle consecrator, as far as I understand it.
This would seem to be an extraordinary act, most probably decided on by the Bishop himself, albeit with advice.

Anonymous said...

I think that this Bishop was ordered to swear this in front of Cardinal Castrillon, the Prefect of the Ecclesiae Dei Commission in light of the obnoxious antics of the former :Apostolic administrator" who was not even a bishop.
I think this was the Pope's own idea, to send a powerful message that disobedience towards full allowance of the Tridentine Latin Mass will not be permitted.
I am sure that the new Bishop, after swearing obedience, will now go to his new Diocese and allow full participation in the Tridentine Latin Mass for those who desire it in his Diocese.

Syriacus said...

Msg. Lupi's predecessor, Mons. Calcagno, is now an Archbishop in the Curia, for administrative aspects -was tresurer of the Italian Episcopal Conference, and a fairly orthodox guy- . So...

Anonymous said...

Castrillon is the first Cardinal deacon; hence, it is before him that the oath must be taken. No connection with ED.

Nick Jones said...

13:47 Anonymous,
No candidate for the Episcopacy, unless for some particular reason is expected to take an oath be a member of the Curia, as Fr Blake say this is extraordinary.
It doesn't happen outside of Italy, nor inside.

Anonymous said...

You and Father Blake are mistaken and confuse the readers. All bishops elect who live in Italy make the profession of faith before the prefect of the C. for the Bishops, and take the oath of fidelity before the protodeacon.

schoolman said...

"Castrillon is the first Cardinal deacon; hence, it is before him that the oath must be taken. No connection with ED."

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I doubt that Castrillon, in his capacity as first Cardinal deacon, witnesses the oaths of all new Bishops-elect! There appears to be something "extraordinary" about this.

Anonymous said...

Anticipating more crappy arguments, I copy from the bull of a bishop ordained 5 years ago: Episcopalem ordinationem Nos Ipsi libenter tibi conferemus in basilica Petriana proxima sollemnitate Epiphaniæ Domini. Antea autem tuum erit fidei professionem nuncupare coram S.R.E. Cardinali Congregationis pro Episcopis Præfecto atque ius iurandum fidelitatis erga Nos Nostrosque in hac Apostolica Sede Successores dare coram S.R.E. Cardinali Protodiacono, ad statutas formulas.

Anonymous said...

Schoolman: It is a fact that Castrillon, because of his capacity as first Cardinal deacon, witnesses the oaths of all new Bishops-elect residing in Italy. There appears to be nothing "extraordinary" about this practice of centuries.

Anonymous said...

Another bull, 1997: Consentiamo che Tu possa ricevere l'ordinazione episcopale al di fuori della città di Roma, da qualsiasi Vescovo Cattolico, secondo le norme liturgiche.
Prima però farai la professione di fede cattolica, avendo per teste il Cardinale di Santa Romana Chiesa Prefetto della Congregazione dei Vescovi, e pronuncerai il giuramento di fedeltà verso di Noi e verso i Nostri Successori, avendone per teste il cardinale di Santa Romana Chiesa Protodiacono.

Anonymous said...

Another: Ma prima sarà tuo dovere fare la professione di fede cattolica alla presenza di Sua Eminenza Reverendissima il Cardinale Prefetto della Congregazione per i Vescovi e pronunciare il giuramento di fedeltà a Noi e ai nostri successori davanti al Cardinale protodiacono secondo le forme stabilite.

Anonymous said...

And another one: Prima di ricevere la consacrazione episcopale, è necessario che tu faccia la professione di alla presenza del cardinale prefetto della Congregazione per i Vescovi e che emetta il giuramento di fedeltà a Noi e ai Nostri successori davanti al cardinale protodiacono, osservando quanto è prescritto in tali atti.

Joe said...

It's all very well having these quotations in Italian. But I suspect that many readers here don't speak the language. i get the gist, but a translation or precis would be more helpful.

Anonymous said...

hey, maybe the quotations are false, let's get a notary somewhere; anything goes as long as you people can twist reality to make it fit your illusions

schoolman said...

"The Bishop-elect of Savona Noli swore, yesterday morning, an oath of fidelity to the Church before the Vatican Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei", in the hands of the Eminent Cardinal Dario Hoyos Castrillon..."
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Anonymous may be correct, however, the original story seems to present this as an oath that was taken before PCED...at the hands of Cardinal Castrillon. In other words, in the Cardinal's capacity as head of PCED.

Anonymous said...

The oath is taken before Castrillon as protodeacon. Since Castrillon's office is at Ecclesia Dei, ground floor Palace of Holy Office, it is there that the bishops elect go. As easy as that.

tbhamdg said...

Anonymous, it seems you have won the argument, but do you have to be so off-puttingly sarcastic? Sometimes it amazes me how uncharitable traditional Catholics can be on these blogs.

schoolman said...

This from CWN. I am sure the "quiet Wednesday-morning meeting" had nothing to do with the implementation of Summorum Pontificum in the diocese of the Bishop-elect...

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Ecclesia Dei commission meets with incoming bishop of diocese that banned Latin Mass

Vatican, Dec. 13, 2007 (CWNews.com) - The president of the Ecclesia Dei commission met on December 12 with the newly appointed bishop of an Italian diocese where the traditional Latin Mass has been forbidden.

Bishop-elect Vittorio Lupi, who will be installed in January to head the Savona-Noli diocese, had a quiet Wednesday-morning meeting with Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos (bio - news). The Colombian cardinal heads the Vatican commission charged with implementation of the motu proprio authorizing the use of the "extraordinary form" of the Latin rite.

In November the apostolic adminstrator of the Savona-Noli diocese, Msgr. Andrea Giusto, issued an order "to ensure that in no church in the diocesan territory Masses according to the pre-Conciliar rite are celebrated."

Anonymous said...

What shocks me is the proliferation of all-knowing, pontificating, self-appointed pope and/or bishop bashers; sarcasm can be effective and charitable if it helps them to realize that they may be wrong in more than one account...

Tracy Hummel said...

I didn't notice anyone on this thread bashing a pope or a bishop. They were supporting the pope. They (myself included) just jumped to the wrong conclusion that this was a special situation relating to the rebellion of the diocesan administrator.

Jordan Potter said...

The Anonymous, Cowardly Smarstsy-Pants said: What shocks me is the proliferation of all-knowing, pontificating, self-appointed pope and/or bishop bashers; sarcasm can be effective and charitable if it helps them to realize that they may be wrong in more than one account...

Take a pill, man. The only know-it-all pontificating and bashing in this thread came from you. Sarcasm can be effective and charitable, but often isn't, as in this case, in which sarcasm was neither called for nor charitable.

Chironomo said...

Tracy Hummel;
Nobody jumped to a "wrong conclusion" about this situation. The news is not the oath that the new Bishop had to take. As has been adequately pointed out, that is a normal course of events. The news is the meeting between Castrillon and the new Bishop, which while it is possible that Castrillon meets with all incoming Bishops as their Cardinal Deacon, we certainly don't hear about all such meetings. And... does it seem to be meaningful that the Cardinal Deacon is also the head of Ecclesia Dei? There are very few actual coincidences in this sphere... why should we believe that this is mere coincidence? Consider that in this situation, the head of Ecclesia Dei has to meet with ALL incoming Bishops...

New Catholic said...

As a commentator explained, there is more in the article, including a promise, by the Bishop-elect, "to avoid abuses in the areas of the ministry of the word and of the celebration of sacraments". Furthermore, our e-mail address is open to all suggestions.

What I do not understand, as others here, is the need for sarcasm and uncharitableness. Is it really necessary? Can't we speak to each other respectfully and lovingly? God sees what we do online, and what we write online, and how we treat our brothers and sisters online.

This is becoming quite tiresome...