Rorate Caeli

Help needed: on the actual extent of the Reform of the Reform on the ground

Dear readers:

We would appreciate if you could help us compile lists of the following:

1) Cathedrals, basilicas and parishes that have adopted ad orientem for all Masses in the 'Ordinary Form' of the Roman Rite / Novus Ordo (or at least for all Sunday Masses) in the years since 1997 (and especially since 2005). 

1-A) Cathedrals, basilicas and parishes that have abandoned ad orientem for all Masses in the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite / Novus Ordo in the years since 1997 (and especially since 2005). (Obviously this would apply only to churches that, prior to 1997 or shortly before that year were still celebrating all Novus Ordo Masses ad orientem.) 
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2) Dioceses, cathedrals, basilicas and parishes that have firmly (and not just on paper) done away with communion in the hand in the years since 1997 (and especially since 2005). (Information on dioceses that never accepted communion in the hand is also welcome.)

2-A) Dioceses, cathedrals, basilicas and parishes that have introduced communion in the hand since 1997 (and especially since 2005).  

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3) Dioceses, cathedrals, basilicas and parishes that have done away with altar girls, or never accepted them, in the years since 1997 (and especially since 2005).  

3-A) Dioceses, cathedrals, basilicas and parishes that introduced altar girls in the years since 1997 (and especially since 2005). 

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4) Priests and bishops who have committed to say all of their publicly-attended (Novus Ordo) Masses ad orientem, at least in their own respective parishes or cathedrals, in the years since 1997 (and especially since 2005).


Naturally, parishes / oratories / chaplaincies that are exclusively dedicated to the Traditional Latin Mass are excluded from these lists.

The cut-off year is established as 1997 because that was the year when then-Cardinal Ratzinger called for a "new liturgical movement". The year 2005 is also introduced as a secondary cut-off date, as that was when Cardinal Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI, thus giving impetus to the Reform of the Reform. 

The contributors of Rorate are aware of some dioceses / cathedrals / parishes that qualify for at least one of these lists, but we are also aware that our information is incomplete, hence this post. For example, we are aware of only one bishop who qualifies for # 4 -- Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa -- and only three dioceses that qualify for # 2, namely, the Archdioceses of Colombo (Sri Lanka) and Lima (Peru) and the Diocese of Talibon (Philippines). Among dioceses that never accepted communion in the hand not just formally but also de facto, we are aware of the Diocese of San Luis in Argentina, at least when Bishop Juan Rodolfo Laise OFMCap was still its bishop. (We are not interested in listing places where communion in the hand is technically forbidden, but widely practiced and tolerated, with little or no effort being exerted to enforce the law.) We have not forgotten, of course, that since 2005, at least two countries -- Poland and Nigeria -- have adopted communion in the hand (list 2-A).

Hopefully our readers can add more examples. 

Please keep the combox free of polemics regarding the existence /inexistence, effectiveness / ineffectiveness or opportuneness / inopportuneness of the Reform of the Reform. There will be other times for that discussion. 

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

#3 St. Mary of the Immaculate Conception, Baltic, CT

Incunabula said...

St. Mary's, Norwalk has all of its Masses ad orientem, and altar serving is reserved only to males.

Augustinus said...

Someone asked that we also make a list of all churches that have the tabernacle outside the sanctuary.

Such a list is impossible, as it will go into the tens of thousands.

Sancrucensis said...

The Vienna Oratory (Rochuskirche) started celebrating all Masses ad orientem in 2006 (http://www.vienna.at/in-rochuskirche-wird-volksaltar-abgebaut/news-20061129-02403676)

Fr Redman said...

St Dominic's in Dursley, and St Joseph's in Nympsfield are two parishes in the Diocese of Clifton in England. In both parishes, one year ago the forward altars were removed, and all Masses are now celebrated Ad Orientem.

Moscatelli said...

Card. Caffarra of Bologna has mandated reception of Holy Comunion on the tongue in the cathedral church (San Pietro), in the basilica of San Petronio and in the sanctuary of San Luca (2009).

Anonymous said...

1. St. Mary Church, Salem, South Dakota, USA. Diocese of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, USA.

Terth said...

No. 3 - Our Lady of Lourdes, Overbrook (Philadelphia), Pennsylvania, USA. Since before 2004, but not sure when.

No. 2 - At Our Lady of Lourdes, Overbrook (Philadelphia), Pennsylvania, USA, since the middle of 2011, communion has been distributed at the rail. It is overwhelmingly received kneeling and on the tongue, but in light of higher laws (diocese and/or USCCB), standing and in the hand remain options.

Ryan Ellis said...

1. St Rita parish, Diocese of Arlington. The Sunday English 11AM Mass and 1:30PM Spanish Sunday Mass is always ad orientem. We also make use of the communion rail as an option at all Masses.

Servant said...

St. Patrick's Chruch in New Orleans, Louisiana has all Sunday Masses Ad Orientem (TLM, of course, and the Novus Ordo Masses). We have all male servers at all liturgical functions in the Parish. I cannot say if this began in 1997 or after since I was not there then.

Thomas Kirn said...

2.) Diocese of Rockford: St. Peter Parish in South Beloit, IL.

Altar Rail installed in 2009. Communion in the hand is allowed, but the majority of laity receive at the rail, under one species.

Ole Doc Farmer said...

St. Benedict in Richmond, VA, is more-or-less exclusively ad orientem and the option of receiving Communion kneeling at the rail is offered.

DJJD said...

St. Mary's Norwalk Ct. --

Stopped the use of altar girls

do not use extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist

has the extraordinary form of the mass every Sunday, Wednesday, and Saturday morning

all masses (EF and OF) are offered Ad Orientem

Communion kneeling and on tongue is strongly encourage but not mandertory

Gustavo Ráez-Patiño said...

The Archdiocese of Lima also qualifies for #3, since it has never accepted altar girls.

Vince K said...

1) Guardian Angels parish, Louisville, KY since 2011

4) Father Jeffrey Leger, Priest of the Archdiocese of Louisville (Guardian Angels' pastor), since 2011

Henry said...

(Subject to verification by someone on the ground in South Carolina) I have heard that the three Catholic churches in Greenville--St. Mary's, Our Lady of the Rosary, and Prince of Peace (Taylor, SC)--celebrate their Novus Ordo Masses ad orientem.

Nicholas Trandem said...

I'd like to see the final results compared to the growth in the number of regularly scheduled Extraordinary Form Masses over the same time period.

Kevin Ford said...

Holy Rosary Church, Cedar, Michigan. All Masses are Ad Orientam, no altar girls, and TLM on Sunday.

Anonymous said...

"2.) Diocese of Rockford: St. Peter Parish in South Beloit, IL.

Altar Rail installed in 2009. Communion in the hand is allowed, but the majority of laity receive at the rail, under one species."

This is interesting. Before my family realized what happened, we were going here. I went to the school here, and I was vested in the scapular when I was in 8th grade by the elderly priest that was at that church.

Edgar said...

In all Mexican dioceses the rule of law is receiving holy communion standing and in the mouth and in most cases it is followed with a few exceptions among some masses celebrated by religious orders or at vacational resorts with foreigners.

Kenneth J. Wolfe said...

For 3A, the Diocese of Arlington, Va., instituted female altar boys in 2006, (in the same document where Bishop Paul Loverde "allowed" two traditional Latin Masses on Sunday afternoons): http://www.arlingtondiocese.org/news.php?id=109

POP said...

In Taylors, a suburb of Greenville, South Carolina, there is a parish called Prince of Peace. All daily and Sunday Masses are ad orientem. The only one that is not is the Saturday night anticipated Mass. They have an EF Mass every day (M-F 12N, Sat 8a, Sun 12N). There are no altar girls at all. Parishioners are invited to come to the Communion Rail for Communion under one species. At the OF, a large proportion kneel and receive on the tongue. Even with the parish clergy distributing Communion, there are still usually 2 EMHCs at OF Masses, because of the sheer number of people, but even they mostly kneel and receive on the tongue

Fr Christopher Smith and Fr Richard Tomlinson are the parish clergy.

www.princeofpeacetaylors.net

POP said...

Greenville, SC:

St Mary's:
all Masses ad orientem, no EMHCs, no altar girls, only English Mass, also home to the local Anglican Ordinariate Community.

Our Lady of the Rosary:
occasional ad orientem Masses

St Rafka:
Maronite Rite no altar girls, EMHCs, occasionally ad orientem

Kevin McGuirt said...

St. Mary's (Greenville, SC) and Prince of Peace (Taylors, SC) both have all Masses celebrated Ad Orientem and all altar servers are male. Our Lady of the Rosary (Greenville, SC) has some OF Masses celebrated Ad Orientem but not all unless that has changed since the last time I was there (approximately 9 months ago).

Romulus said...

To expand on Servant's remarks: St. Patrick's in New Orleans has never had female servers. Holy Communion has always been distributed at the rail. Reception on the tongue is encouraged, but not enforced except at the Sunday morning TLM. All Sunday masses are ad orientem. Even before the indult days, this parish has never ceased to celebrate every Sunday at least one Latin Mass, ad orientem.

Anonymous said...

Regarding...

2) St Mary, Kalamazoo, has encouraged the practice of receiving Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue and the majority have complied and now prefer it and see the value in it.

3) St Mary, Kalamazoo, has completely done away with altar girls over the last 5 years.

RJH

Elizabeth said...

St. John Cantius, Archdiocese of Chicago, #1, #3, #4

I'm not sure about #2. At their vernacular Novus Ordo Masses, they allow communicants to receive standing up but I'm not sure if they receive in the hand or not.

SemperIdem said...

#3 - No altar girls in baroque Peterskirche in Vienna, Austria. This church is being maintained by priests of Opus Dei.

Anonymous said...

Holy Cross Parish(Dual Form), Wagoner Oklahoma, Diocese of Tulsa: Since April 2012;
Elevated "High Altar" installed.
All Masses Ad Orientem.
No Eucharistic Ministers.
Altar Rail Installed.
Mass Propers Chanted at Sunday Masses.
Incense utilized at Sunday Masses.
Altar Boys Only.

Rosenblum said...

In all dioceses of Russia nor altar girls neither Communion in the hand never was allowed. As far as I know the same situation is in Ukraine and Belarus. In the Diocese of Kharkiv-Zaporozhye (Ukraine) the Bishop have strongly recommended to the faithful to receive Holy Communion kneeled, though standing is also an option.

In Kazakhstan altar girls are also not allowed. All the faithful receive Holy Communion kneeled and on the tongue.

Anonymous said...

I dont ever recall St. Pat's (in the CBD) not having Masses Ad Orientum. in the late 80s-early 90s I don't remember if there was a TLM (I don't think there was) My wife and I are from the marigny on the other side of the quarter but I've been by St. Pats on occasion since I was a kid

Anonymous said...

Holy Cross Parish in D'Hanis, TX has never accepted altar girls.

Our Lady of the Atonement Parish only uses ad orientem and no communion in the hand since it's founding. (San Antonio, TX)

Anonymous said...

St. Joseph's,Longsight in the diocese of Salford UK has been ad orientem for all ordinary form masses since 2010, communion rails were re-introduced at the same time, Holy Communion is received kneeling but a few parishioners still receive HolyCommunion in their hands. Altar serving is reserved to men.

Malta said...

Stella Marias (Star of the Sea), has one of the most beautiful TLM's in the South!

GQ Rep said...

"Terth said...
No. 3 - Our Lady of Lourdes, Overbrook (Philadelphia), Pennsylvania, USA. Since before 2004, but not sure when.

No. 2 - At Our Lady of Lourdes, Overbrook (Philadelphia), Pennsylvania, USA, since the middle of 2011, communion has been distributed at the rail. It is overwhelmingly received kneeling and on the tongue, but in light of higher laws (diocese and/or USCCB), standing and in the hand remain options.

12 December, 2012 13:59"

Hey Terth,

I'm from Philly too....but you forgot to mention St. Paul's in South Philadelphia (which does a an awesome job at the Tridentine Latin Mass ,largely because it's in an overwhelmingly Catholic Italian neighborhood and has alot of support.

But we should mention the negatives too. Chaput, the Archbishop is no supporter of Catholic tradition or the Tridentine Latin Mass. Krol definitly was, Bevilaqua mildly so, Rigali even more....but not Chaput. He a real Vatican II cheerleader.

Take one look at how he put a Protestant "altar table" in the Cathedral Basilica of SS Peter and Paul and you'll understand.

With only 2 out of 230 parishes celebrating the Tridentine Latin Mass, and it's disappearance at the Archdiocesean seminary since Chaput came to town....I'd have to say that any influence of a so called "reform of the reform" is negligible . It might change when Chaput retires...but until then we got 7 years of Vatican II "Springtime"

Kathleen said...

Church of the Assumption (Grotto), Detroit, Michigan

1. Has adopted ad orientem for all Masses. (We have removed the low altar)

2. Communion is always kneeling, at the altar rail, with altarBOYS, and patens.

3. Only men in the sanctuary period. All altar servers are male. Readings in the N.O. are handled by men (as far as I know it's always one of the adult altar servers).

4. When our pastor removed the low altar he made a public statement in our parish paper concerning the removal, if that counts.

My understanding is we may only have one TLM per day, our other masses are N.O.

I have never personally experienced the N.O. handled the way it is at the Grotto elsewhere. Even so I believe most everyone would agree with Bishop Sample's assessment at our recent Pontifical High Mass that the old form is superior.

But I would hesitate to attribute the reverence at the Grotto to the "Reform of the Reform." The Grotto has been an oasis of sorts for the devout during this crisis for quite some time... The major milestone in developments actually was the Motu of 2007.

Matt H said...

Saint Agnes, Saint Paul, Minnesota - ad orientem NO Masses, I don't believe they ever set up for doing otherwise. Also uses all male altar servers. Communion is kneeling at the Communion rail, and the use of the altar server with Communion plate encourages reception on the tongue.

Dave Smith said...

Good Shepherd Church in Columbia, SC has always said Mass Ad Orentem and distributed the Eucharist to those on the tongue, kneeling at the altar railing.

Terth said...

GQ Rep: You're a little early to Grinch it up this Christmas. I didn't forget St. Paul's. I attend Our Lady of Lourdes and wanted to help Rorate in its quest for specific points of information about specific parishes.

St. Paul's is a beautiful church in a cool old-school South Philly Italian neighborhood. And the pastor, Fr. Carey, is a wonderful priest. But the topic wasn't about how awesome St. Paul's "does" the TLM. Nor was it about counting TLM's in the diocese (btw, you missed a couple). Nor was it an open mic to run down the Archbishop.

His scriptis, there is ample work to be done in the vineyard. Let's get crackin'.

CA priest said...

Saint Secondo d'Asti in Guasti, CA (Diocese of San Bernadino)has all Masses ad orientem.

Holy Innocents in Long Beach, CA (Archdiocese of Los Angeles)has all Masses ad orientem.

Fr. Rene Guesnier, O.S.B. said...

All Masses ad orientem. Only male
servers,readers and lectors. Communion kneeling with server holding the paten. Tabernacle is front and center. Received well by the people.Most people receive on the tongue though not all.

Fr. Rene Guesnier, O.S.B
St. Francis Xavier Church
Seward, Kansas 67576
(Dodge City Diocese)

Hieronymus in Canada said...

3--St. Hedwig's, Barry's Bay, Ontario (Never has had altar girls)

For about three years, the Pastor, Father Shalla, also has been celebrating all of the Masses where he has been principle celebrant ad orientem with the exception of weddings and funerals. A number of other priests celebrate Mass in the parish and their individuals practices vary.

Father Eric Hastings said...

St. Benedict Parish in Duluth, MN offers all weekly and Sunday N.O. Masses ad orientem (except one Sunday Mass) at a free standing altar. This began with the 1st Sunday of Advent in 2009. Next step restoration of altar rail.

Alan Aversa said...

#1,2,3: St. Catherine of Siena, Phoenix, AZ (stcatherinephoenix.org)
#4: diocesan priest Fr. Alonso Saenz of St. Catherine's

Pulex said...

All 4 dioceses in Latvia (Riga, Liepaja, Jelgava, Rezekne-Aglona):
1) none changed, and only 3 of the new churches built after 1997 have the altar originally versus orientem, though not necessarily geographically;
1a) a parish in Riga old town ceased ad orientem, as the old altar was removed and sanctuary rearranged at some point after 2001;
2) never Communion has been given in hand;
3) never there have been altar girls;
4) alas, nobody.

Magdalene said...

I believe the friaries of the Franciscans of the Immaculate are all ad orientem but not 100% EF only. Naturally only male servers. Communion at the rail and on the tongue.

Albertus said...

The Dioceses of Lithuania and Latvia still do not have Communion on the Hand (though some french nuns in Vilnius do receive Communion on the hand in their chapel abusively).
However, until 1994, the Tridentine mass was still being offered in most churches of Lithuania, versus orientem at the HIgh Altar, and Communion was distributed at the communion rail on the tongue to kneeling communicants. When Pope John Paul II visited LIthuania in 1994, that all changed, for his right-hand man Marini, when he found out about the liturgicall backwards Church in Lithuania, insisted that only the New mass be celebrated, upon a table facing the people, with ''modern'' style vestments, and that all Communion rails be demolished. Within a short time this took place, and since then you'll hardly find a church in Lithuania with a Communion rail and Mass celebrated versus populum. Latvia remained much more traditional, keeping the Communion rail, kneeling for Communion, and Mass versus Orientem at the HIgh Altar. For which reason the present-day Lithuanian Bishops' Conference have no bonds at all with their Brother Bishops in Latvia.

Albertus said...

The Dioceses of Lithuania and Latvia still do not have Communion on the Hand (though some french nuns in Vilnius do receive Communion on the hand in their chapel abusively).
However, until 1994, the Tridentine mass was still being offered in most churches of Lithuania, versus orientem at the HIgh Altar, and Communion was distributed at the communion rail on the tongue to kneeling communicants. When Pope John Paul II visited LIthuania in 1994, that all changed, for his right-hand man Marini, when he found out about the liturgicall backwards Church in Lithuania, insisted that only the New mass be celebrated, upon a table facing the people, with ''modern'' style vestments, and that all Communion rails be demolished. Within a short time this took place, and since then you'll hardly find a church in Lithuania with a Communion rail and Mass celebrated versus populum. Latvia remained much more traditional, keeping the Communion rail, kneeling for Communion, and Mass versus Orientem at the HIgh Altar. For which reason the present-day Lithuanian Bishops' Conference have no bonds at all with their Brother Bishops in Latvia.

Tripudians said...

St. Marguerite Marie, Tilburg Netherlands
St. Antonius, Reeshof, Netherlands

both ad orientem

ceciliasoprano said...

SS. Peter and Paul in Wilmington, Ca.- a parish run by the Norbertines.

They have a TLM on Sundays and Holy Days.

The Novus Ordo Masses are done facing the people with the Benedictine altar arrangement.

Communion at all Masses is kneeling at the altar rail and received on the tongue.

Altar boys only

Pulex said...

Albertus wrote: "until 1994, the Tridentine mass was still being offered in most churches of Lithuania"

Abertus, are you sure that it was Tridentine everywhere? FOr example, in Latvia the Novus ordo was introduced in Latin, the church buildings were undisturbed (the wreckovation costs money, too), and the translations came later. Maybe in Lithuania it was Novus ordo in Latin? In Latvia, I was told, only one priest continued to say TLM until his death. In Lithuania, surely, it could have been a few more of them, but 'everywhere' ... difficult to believe.

Anonymous said...

The Archdiocese of Lima allows communion in the hand. His Emminence Cardinal Cipriani dislikes it and in some of his Masses it is announced that it is not going to be allowed however, I am not aware of any decree from the chancery officially forbidding that practice. In fact there are parishes like Fatima in Miraflores entrusted to the Jesuits where some of the priests encourage that practice.

nzer1 said...

There is ONE parish in the diocese of AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND that has embraced some elements of the 'Reform of the Reform'.

This parish priest makes use of the altar rail for communicants (at least for daily masses, not sure about Sunday)

No altar girls

and No Precious Blood for laity

There is also one (non-parish) priest who says Mass ad orientem once a week.

Apart from that, there is no movement whatsoever towards a reform of the reform. Few priests would even know about the 'reform of the reform'.

Joe Potillor said...

St Mary's Pendelton, OR...not sure how long this has been going on, but Communion is distributed by Intinction and at the Communion Rail. The Benedictine Arrangement is used.

Anonymous said...

St Stephen Roman Catholic Church - Pensacola, FL

Pastor: Fr. Hector R.J. Perez

Yes to all: 1) 2) 3) 4)

ststephenrcchurch.squarespace.com/
www.latinmasspensacola.com